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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 10:07 PM
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260 hp and 260 ft/lbs

That's what the 2.0L DI turbo Ecotec will be rated at in the Solstice GXP. Sounds like a nice motor, with potential for lots more.
Where else should this motor go? Cobalt? Malibu? G6? HHR? Those are too obvious.

How about in the Colorado? This motor, six speed and ZQ8 suspension. Call it...oh I don't know...whatever, but it sure would put the hurt on Toyota's 236 hp Tacoma X-Runner.

How about in the Camaro? Not as a base motor, but as part of an entry level performance package. Could be pretty cool, sort of like the Fox bodied 2.3 turbo or SVO packages. Just hold the big rear spoilers....please.

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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 10:19 PM
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I am very pleased with those numbers. They are better than I could have hoped for. That will be one sweet piece.

I think that would make a very interesting package if put in the Colorado. I think most people think of big engines in trucks but I think there might be a place for that. As for the Camaro, I still think it is a bad idea. I was against it a few years ago when this topic was brought up and I still feel the same way.

I wonder if Saab will get this motor with this tune in it's vehicles? What about the Saturn Aura? I think it might be too close to the V6 numbers though. I say, keep it in the compact cars where this power coupled with a low weight will make for a fast and fun ride.
Old Dec 22, 2005 | 10:54 PM
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MazdaSpeed Miata = DOA
Old Dec 22, 2005 | 11:15 PM
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MazdaSpeed Miata = DOA
Still a bit early to proclaim that. I'm about 98% sure the Mazdaspeed-miata will end up with the mazdaspeed6's 274hp/280lb-ft turbo 2.3L. This motor will soon find its way into the Mazdaspeed3...but i bet it'll be detuned a bit for the 3 since it's a fwd application. For the miata, they may leave the tune as is. Either way, they have a potent turbo 2.3 at their disposal. And given the miata's already near 400lb weight advantage, i wouldn't be surprised if the miata turns out to be faster. That weight difference is a killer.

This 2.0L turbo ecotec is a great motor though. And the numbers are so damn nice!! I think it has more left in it too. It's gonna be a great performance engine for the tuner market.

Regarding the Cobalt SS. With the power and tq figures this motor is capable of generating...anyone thinking it's time GM started looking into AWD?? the same with the Ls4 powered ImpalaSS/MCSS/GPGXP. They're now at HP levels better suited for Rwd or AWD drivetrains. All that power is nice, but in a Front driver?? that dampens the enthusiasm down for me.
Old Dec 23, 2005 | 12:58 AM
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Wow, that's sweet! And I thought they were going to make it in the low 200s for hp and tq.
Old Dec 23, 2005 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Gold_Rush
Still a bit early to proclaim that. I'm about 98% sure the Mazdaspeed-miata will end up with the mazdaspeed6's 274hp/280lb-ft turbo 2.3L. This motor will soon find its way into the Mazdaspeed3...but i bet it'll be detuned a bit for the 3 since it's a fwd application. For the miata, they may leave the tune as is. Either way, they have a potent turbo 2.3 at their disposal. And given the miata's already near 400lb weight advantage, i wouldn't be surprised if the miata turns out to be faster. That weight difference is a killer.
I was thinking about what the Mazdaspeed Miata would have and I am sure it will get that turbo 2.3. If they don't, they will be in trouble. The weight advantage for the Miata doesn't really turn up in the performance between the two base cars. You would think the Miata would be faster with only a 7 hp disadvantage but a 400 lbs advantage, but it isn't at all. Maybe the base 2.4 in the Solstice makes good power everywhere under the curve, unlike the Mazda 2.0. I hope the same thing will happen with the turbo Solstice vs the turbo Miata. Either that or the Solstice GXP will just be underrated.
Old Dec 23, 2005 | 06:34 AM
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About time GM start flexing a little more muscle with their 4 cylinders . So far I haven't read anything bad about the Ecotec engines. I hope that they're getting further and further away from the old reputation of running head blowing 4-bangers? The power that these new Ecotecs are capable of producing is damn impressive though. If a car like the Cobalt came available with ~260 HP on tap, that would certainly put a dent into the Civic's and SRT-4's "tuner" market-share. I'm just not looking forward to the day where run-of-the-mill Cobalts start walking all over our F-bodies!?
Old Dec 23, 2005 | 06:57 AM
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How about in the Colorado? This motor, six speed and ZQ8 suspension. Call it...oh I don't know...whatever, but it sure would put the hurt on Toyota's 236 hp Tacoma X-Runner.
Why not build a turbo system like that with DI for the 2.8 I4 Atlas in there now? More cubes=more power.
Old Dec 23, 2005 | 07:08 AM
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Nice numbers, should make for one quick Solstice. Hopefully the Cobalt and other small GM's get a version too.
Old Dec 23, 2005 | 08:11 AM
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It is nice to see GM serious about 4cyls.

DI needs to go on all GM engines ASAP. The Atlas 5cyl. would take a lot less flack if it was putting out 260HP+

Just imagine the numbers coming out of the 4.2L I6, it is already 290HP without direct injection
Old Dec 23, 2005 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Capn Pete
About time GM start flexing a little more muscle with their 4 cylinders .
I guess. Subaru, Mitsubishi, and Mazda's turbo 4's put out much more impressive numbers.

IMHO, 260 is a good start, but its still at the back of the pack. The million dollar question is whether GM is going to open up the ECU or not for the aftermarket. The Ion Redlines been out for 3+ years, but without the ability to tune it, it has been a flop in the tuner performance crowd.
Old Dec 23, 2005 | 09:54 AM
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The numbers are decent but as has already been stated it's at the back of the pack...I also see no reason why the motor is so small, (other than possible durability issues), I don't think GM plans on taking the solstice, sky, cobalt or ion rallying so there's no reason it has to be a 2.0 liter...Either way though, that motor should make big horsepower easily and its definitely a step in the right direction...
Old Dec 23, 2005 | 10:04 AM
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Why not build a turbo system like that with DI for the 2.8 I4 Atlas in there now? More cubes=more power.
Yeah, maybe. But my personal opinion is that the Atlas I4 and I5 don't have a sporty bone in their body. And I bet it would be pretty expensive to develop for a single platform, since I can't imagine that motor going anywhere other than GMT355.

On the other hand, this is only the beginning for GM's turbo Ecotec movement. I think 300 hp is just around the corner.

So, is there a market for a sub-$25K, 300hp, Camaro?
Old Dec 23, 2005 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Yeah, maybe. But my personal opinion is that the Atlas I4 and I5 don't have a sporty bone in their body. And I bet it would be pretty expensive to develop for a single platform, since I can't imagine that motor going anywhere other than GMT355.

On the other hand, this is only the beginning for GM's turbo Ecotec movement. I think 300 hp is just around the corner.

So, is there a market for a sub-$25K, 300hp, Camaro?
I will agree that the Ecotec is set to be one of the top 4 cylinders in the world, now if we could only get one of the smaller displacement ones for the Aveo.

I have only driven the 3.5 Atlas in a colorado Sport and while not V8 exciting I did like it better than my 3.4 Monte carlo Z34, though that isn't saying much. I think that a turbo Atlas would be fun but would rather see the Ecotec evolve more and become more prominant.

Question for the future: Could GM make an I6 Ecotec and would it be worth it?
Old Dec 23, 2005 | 10:20 AM
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The numbers are decent but as has already been stated it's at the back of the pack...I also see no reason why the motor is so small, (other than possible durability issues), I don't think GM plans on taking the solstice, sky, cobalt or ion rallying so there's no reason it has to be a 2.0 liter...Either way though, that motor should make big horsepower easily and its definitely a step in the right direction...

What PSI is the Solstices engine vs. Evo and Mazda/Ford? Subaru has a .5L advantage over both Mitsu and Pontiac. My guess is that the Solstice turbo isn't at 19psi like Mitsus 2.0L and the Solstice Ecotec will take more boost.



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