Wondering if anyone is running this year, these are small blocks of 434 cu in right?

Also wondering why someone doesn't run a LSx motor? I'm sure there is a reason, just not sure why especially since you can get carbed intakes for them now. I would think that the LSx engines would have a very big advantage.

 

Here are the rules:

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng.../0601em_rules/


"Any normally aspirated, gasoline powered, domestic V-8 passenger car engine produced by Ford, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Pontiac, Oldsmobile or Buick ("domestic OEM") that meets all rules criteria are acceptable."


"Engines designed and produced by a domestic OEM with distributor-less ignition systems or engines that have been modified to accept a distributor are not allowed."

"Compression Ratio is limited to 10.5:1."

Small block or big blocks are allowed. LSx are not. They don't meet the designed-with-a-distributor requirement.

IMO, the 10.5:1 SCR rule will change the design that has proved useful in the past few year of the "Detonation" Masters Challenge

 

That rule won't last much longer. MAYBE the rest of this decade.


If I'm not mistaken, the original concept behind the rule was that the challange was supposed to test people, not computers. As technology moves and changes, that particular rule makes less and less sense.

It just takes time because the guys who run the thing aren't fond of taking suggestions, because they feel like every time they take one suggestion they are expected to take a thousand others and when they don't they get a lot of hostility. Which is true... I've watched it happen more than once.

 

Well now that the programable ignitons are allowed in the only thing archaic on a EMC motor is the carb.

Bret

 

Any bets this year on winners?

I like BES because A) they built my shortblock, and B) they were 3rd two years ago, 2nd last year, so my pattern says they win

 

Depends on who else is in...

Kaase would have been 1st/2nd again if he didn't get some junk in one of his boosters on the final pulls.

Most places who have the $$$ don't have the time, Kaase had 200+ dyno pulls on his Poncho!

I liked Tony's teardown setup... I do some of those "tricks" as well in motors and it's good too see other guys think of the same things.

He has a dam good chance, I think he is going the right way with the new rules in place. This year it's going to be about who picks the right setup, Tony is a Chevy guy and unless he does a mean BBC that pushes the rules I don't think you can do much with these rules.

Now they make you verify your heads with the rules commitee. That's lame since the only rule they have now thats stupid is the stud mount rule. How many guys you know build a 1.65 HP per cube 6500rpm street motor for $20K plus and dont put a shaft mount on the thing?

Bret

 

I saw an article about the you Strokers entering it sucks that it didn't work out. I wanted to see what you guys were made of!

 

In 2002?

I screwed up in 2002 and didn't hit the TQ spec on the oil pump stud and after 60 dyno pulls it finally came loose. Figure that out. I don't make that mistake anymore lol.

I still want to throw a LE2 cam in that motor and throw it back on the pump to see what it will do. Should be able to break 600hp this time.

The old man has some great ideas for the '06 contest, but why spend the money and time on a motor you can't race? It would be cool if we had $20K to throw at it, but we don't.... plus I wanna go NMCA racing sometime in the next 2 years.

Bret

 

Here is the article.
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...302_beasteast/
$20k? I didn't realize inhouse stuff could be so expensive!

 

$16,381.27 is the exact amount.

Think about it this way....

CNC Bowtie Block
Scat Ultralight 4340 Crank
Custom JE Dome Pistons, 9310 Pins & Very Good Rings
Eagle H Beams
3 Super Victors
Brodix Weld Tech Track 1 Heads
2 Billet Cams
Dyno Time
ARP Everything

That's over $8k and that's just a few big things.

The list goes on....

Today you have to go much more into the motor, it's only 4 years later too.

A billet crank is almost a must today, 3-4 cams easily (your best guess and 3 others just to make sure you are right), a set of good castings sent to a very good head porter and have him hurry them up (this ain't cheap) plus a few different intakes to try different cross sections, at least 2 carbs and as many sets of headers you can find. Oh yeah and about a week on a good dyno.

It on the cheap end is $20K to WIN. From where I stand there is no point in going unless you want to win.

Bret

 

Where is that gotta have "fun" and meet new people spirit.
I'm with you I would want to kick some *** and take names.Then the 25,000+ would be worth it not to mention the bragging rights.

 

I get to go and do that anyways. I knew the last two editors pretty well, I don't know Dulich but I still know a few people there so going to watch is still pretty cool.

Bret

 

 

Hey, I'll put the invite up to anyone who can come. The old man usually has to run his shop, so I could bring one person if they are really interested. You just have to fly into JFK or meet me at World Products.

Warning on the trip is that it's the Long Island Expressway, I drive pretty fast and we'll probably drink a little bit while we are there.

Bret

 

NYC Traffic? LIE?

Northern OR Southern State?


That kind of thing will have you PRAYING for another terrorist attack, just to put you out of your misery.

I remember when I was a kid it seemed fun driving in that stuff.

Years later, when I went back as a grownup; I realized that it was enjoyable because I used to be stoned all the time.



BTW, about the engine masters...

It's time for a re-write of the rules; and this time base it on budget.


How much power can you make based on a budget of say; $7500?

1) Heads must be "off-the-shelf", other than a gasket match.

2) Blocks can have any amount of machine work you want to do, off the budget. (The theory being that you can't control it anyway, and there really isn't all that big a price spread between shops. It's all blueprinting and oil control..)

3) All other parts are judged on retail price, based on a Jegs/Summit average. (Which created fascinating loopholes when one carries a part and the other doesn't.)


Unless of course we want to stick with what is essentially just the most expensive form of bench racing yet invented...?