Z/28 confirmed for 2011
09-30-2009, 07:06 PM
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It's funny when people alway bring up "but the SS had the bigger engines and more power" 
guess what? The Z28 still destroyed the SS in track performance and 1/4 times, why you say? Because the Z28 was designed for track performance and it will always be the top dog. In 1970 the Z28 got the high compression 350 which made more power than the low compression 396 in the SS.
guess what? The Z28 still destroyed the SS in track performance and 1/4 times, why you say? Because the Z28 was designed for track performance and it will always be the top dog. In 1970 the Z28 got the high compression 350 which made more power than the low compression 396 in the SS.The 1970 SS still had a 10.5:1 CR, did it not?
09-30-2009, 07:15 PM
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Magazine racing....what fun.
What's the best Magazine ET/MPH you've seen for the 2010 Camaro?
The best I've seen for the 2010 GT500 is an 11.95 @ 120.x mph. MM&FF (same folks that do GMHTP).
Once you get the 2010 Camaro best, please compare. It would be best if it were also a GMHTP test done at Englishtown.
And please note that I am definately NOT a fanboy of the GT500.
/Magazine racing
What's the best Magazine ET/MPH you've seen for the 2010 Camaro?
The best I've seen for the 2010 GT500 is an 11.95 @ 120.x mph. MM&FF (same folks that do GMHTP).
Once you get the 2010 Camaro best, please compare. It would be best if it were also a GMHTP test done at Englishtown.
And please note that I am definately NOT a fanboy of the GT500.
/Magazine racing
(this is not a personal attack on you just running some numbers around)
the GT500 is about 4000 lbs or so and makes 500 rwhp. MM&FF got it to run an 11.95 @ 120. great time.
they got an LS1 f-body to run a 12.8 @ 110, right? I cant remember the exact ET and mph. either way this is a 3500 lb car with 300 rwhp.
the GT500 weighs 500 lbs more and makes 150 more rwhp. shouldn't it be significantly faster?
they also got a 3650 lb cobra to run a 12.6 @ ~113 (also going by memory, correct me if Im wrong, please.)
I know theres that "100 lbs is one tenth and 10 hp is one tenth" so by that theory it comes close but thats not always accurate.
eh either way I cant afford either car so I really shouldnt be debating it.
edit:
pretty much best times ive seen for certain cars:
GT500: 4000 lb / 500 rwhp = 8lb/hp = 11.95 @ 120
LS1: 3500 lb / 300 rwhp = 11.7lb/hp = 12.8 @ 110
cobra: 3650 lb / 370 rwhp = 9.9lb/hp = 12.6 @ 113
'10 SS: 3900 lb / 370 rwhp = 10.5lb/hp = 12.9 @ 111
C6 Z06: 3200 lb / 440 rwhp = 7.3lb/hp = 11.5 @ 127
C5 Z06: 3150 lb / 360 rwhp = 8.8lb/hp = 12.0 @ 116
well maybe it isnt that far off.
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10-06-2009, 07:05 AM
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WOOHOO that is why I waited and did not bite the bullet for a new SS. I have no payments and will be ready for this pup when it is released! However I guess I will have to wait a year after it comes out because I am NOT going to pay markup!
10-06-2009, 09:57 AM
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Were they worthy of the SS name? I don't think so. The Cobalt later became "Sport" and should have been that way to begin with. The Malibu probably should never have existed.
But my real problem with them is that in many cases these "SS" models only lived up to the performance of competitor's "normal" cars. Malibu SS was slower than a Fusion V6. IMO, that's why they weren't deserving to be SS models rather than the fact that they were "appearance packages."
This discussion brings up an interesting thought in my mind, though. No one ever seemed to complain too much that the same models that weren't "worthy" of the SS name ended up as GT, GTP, and GXP models at Pontiac. Torrent ended up being a GXP even when Equinox went to "Sport." And the top G6 GXP only got the 3.6 that was the standard V6 in the Malibu. That really illustrates the Pontiac problem when their performance models weren't even worthy of being Chevy SS models...
10-07-2009, 09:05 AM
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It's funny when people alway bring up "but the SS had the bigger engines and more power" guess what? The Z28 still destroyed the SS in track performance and 1/4 times, why you say? Because the Z28 was designed for track performance and it will always be the top dog. In 1970 the Z28 got the high compression 350 which made more power than the low compression 396 in the SS.
guess what? The Z28 still destroyed the SS in track performance and 1/4 times, why you say? Because the Z28 was designed for track performance and it will always be the top dog. In 1970 the Z28 got the high compression 350 which made more power than the low compression 396 in the SS.As far as your "top dog" comment, seems like the Camaro Chief Engineer would disagree with that:
Al Oppenheiser:
As far as a Z/28, or a performance version, we've had this debate internally many, many times. What would you call the performance version? A Z/28? A COPO? A Yenko? Would you bring back a nostalgic name, or not? Create a new one? The SS was always the big dog Camaro, not the Z/28. The first Z/28 was built just to get us into the racing circuit against the Mustang and all the other cars that were in that class.
10-07-2009, 09:51 AM
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Not only is it debatable, it has been debated over and over. At least you admit that the 1st gen Z/28 would outhandle those nose heavy, understeering pig, big block cars.
10-07-2009, 11:38 AM
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Show me something where Scott Settlemire says which is "top dog" and then I'll believe the credibility.
10-07-2009, 12:13 PM
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But I'm sure you'll tell me a story about how your Uncle Fred was there in the 60s and he had a '69 Z/28 and he beat the snot out of everyone of his buddies who had a '69 SS who didn't know how to drive.
10-07-2009, 12:29 PM
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Oh I'm sorry. I didn't know low 15 second cars destroyed high 13 second cars in the quarter mile.
But I'm sure you'll tell me a story about how your Uncle Fred was there in the 60s and he had a '69 Z/28 and he beat the snot out of everyone of his buddies who had a '69 SS who didn't know how to drive.
But I'm sure you'll tell me a story about how your Uncle Fred was there in the 60s and he had a '69 Z/28 and he beat the snot out of everyone of his buddies who had a '69 SS who didn't know how to drive.
Well, not all Z/28's were 13 second cars and not all SS's were 15 second cars, (although most of them were).
But in all seriousness, the only Camaro SS which could even compete with a Z/28 in a straight line was the 375 horse version,(which as you know was pretty rare). And unless a Z/28 was specifically optioned for drag racing, (ie., 4.56 or 4.88 gears), the L78 Camaro generally did have an edge in that very specific contest, especially compared to 90% of the other milktoast powered Camaro SS's. Turn the steering wheel though, and that car was a complete disaster.
If that's your claim to fame, you can have it, but it doesn't impress me much.
10-07-2009, 01:14 PM
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Fixed for ya.
If your claim to fame is a muscle car that is a decent handler, then more power to you. If I wanted to road race I'd get a Miata or a Lotus.
When it comes to muscle cars, drag racing is where it's at. I'll take the big block every day of the week and won't even think twice about it.
But to each his own.
But in all seriousness, the only Camaro SS which could even compete with a Z/28 in a straight line was the 375 horse version,(which as you know was pretty rare). And unless a Z/28 was specifically optioned for drag racing, (ie., 4.56 or 4.88 gears), the L78 Camaro generally did have an edge in that very specific contest, especially compared to 90% of the other milktoast powered Camaro SS's. Turn the steering wheel though, and that car was a complete disaster.
If that's your claim to fame, you can have it, but it doesn't impress me much.
If that's your claim to fame, you can have it, but it doesn't impress me much.
When it comes to muscle cars, drag racing is where it's at. I'll take the big block every day of the week and won't even think twice about it.
But to each his own.
10-07-2009, 01:19 PM
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Average Joe Internet Enthusiast > Camaro Chief Engineer
I've never heard Scott say the Z28 was top dog. I've never heard him say the SS was top dog either. He has spoken respectfully about each - something I can't say for a lot of the "Z28 Is King" crew.
10-07-2009, 01:36 PM
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10-07-2009, 02:56 PM
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Try high 11's smart guy. 
http://www.z28camaro.com/oldrel.html
During the 1968 season, "THE OLD RELIABLE" Z/28 ran elapsed times of 11.70's at 116 mph keeping up with many Super Stock 396 Camaros! This was a stock Z/28 intake manifold and carburetor, stock hood, Stahl Headers, 5.38 gears, and nine-inch slicks.
10-07-2009, 04:12 PM
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