he has it exactly correct. its not an apples to apples comparison.

Regarding gear ratios - remember that the Camaro has a 29" diameter tire to turn, so I wonder what the effective ratio would be.


I'm sure the 2010 Camaro SS will outaccelerate a 2010 Mustang GT by afew tenths. Ford obviously is not that concerned about it, seeing as they're holding back the new powertrains for 1 year.

Rather than simply focusing on power differences in a vacuum, we should be looking at the cars as a whole. The Mustang has it's own advatages, (cost, mass, established market). The bottom line here, is who will buy what.

That's what I've been trying to say, but you put it better. To add to your examples, it also has a nav system, dual zone a/c, a glass roof option and an interior that appears to be better received by the general public and press than the Camaros has been.

Back to the origin of the thread, in the end, it's not about who is fastest out of the showroom, it's about making money (ie. selling cars). Once you get past the leghumpers (on both sides) and get into the folks who are actually cross shopping the cars, the price differential is going to hurt.

true, but......

Sales numbers are going to decide whether the Camaro is a success (and sticks around more than a few years), not hp numbers.

How I wish we could have gotten our mid level L76 or so V8 as an option in the base car. Leave out the Brembos and price it w/in a grand of the Deluxe GT, then we'd have an apples to apples comparison that the Camaro could clearly win.

Gah!!! I knew I was forgetting something!! Thanks, Elie!

And an edmunds commentator said this:
"At any rate, the new Mustang base model starts at $21,845, whereas the base Camaro starts at $22,995.

It also just undercuts the new Dodge Challenger, which starts at $21,995. Winner Ford."

...But what's more interesting is the comments found the local peanut gallery. Check out the responses to the edmunds article:
http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightlin....html#comments

10 out of 13 comments looked favorably [directly] on the Camaro despite the price difference. Many of them said they'd pay the extra couple thousand to get what the Camaro is offering. And these types of people usually never say anything good about anything!;)

With the info we currently are privy to about the new Camaro's and Mustang's I personally think that with the weight of the 2010 GT being around the same as the 2009 and having 315hp it will probably have little problem dispatching the V6 Camaro, in a straight line. Remember the Mustang's torque is around 345 lb/ft. and the V6 Camaro is around 273 lb/ft. so thats academic. But once you come to any corners I'm pretty sure that if the Camaro has the RS package, with bigger wheels and summer tires, it would very likely make up quite a bit of ground lost the the GT. But most likely still won't best the Mustang.

Now when we compare what we know of the SS Camaro with the current Bullitt Mustang, stand-in for the 2010 GT, you can see a clear edge given to the Chevy. The Bullitt pulls 0-60 in 5.4 seconds according to Edmunds Inside Line comparison between the Challenger SRT-8 and did the quarter mile in 13.7 seconds. This sounds pretty accurate since I have a 67 Camaro that weighs close to the new GT's weight with a 300 hp LT1 that pulled a best time @ Sears Point/Infininon Raceway of 14.1 in the 1/4.

In this Edmunds comparison the HEAVY SRT-8 with just 4+ hp and 12+ torque than the 300 lb. lighter SS Camaro pulled 13.2 @ 107.5 mph, and a 0-60 of about 5.0 seconds (found elsewhere on their site). Take the SS's weight figures into account, it's excellent 52/48 weight distribution, and what Chevy engineers have already confirmed about the SS (0-60 in 4.6 sec. with launch control, an option the GT doesn't have) and the Camaro looks poised at competing not with the standard GT Mustang, but more like it's setting it's aim at the venerable GT500/GT500KR!

If this sounds absurd, check out the figures from this Edmunds video between a Z06 and a GT500KR. Pay close attention to the results of the $80,000 Shelby!

Actually having some seat time in an '08 Bullitt and having a car that consistently runs 13.3's @ 106 on street tires I can tell you without a doubt there is no way under normal conditions will a Bullitt run that number stock. Maybe at Englishtown, during the winter, with Evan driving it will it post times like that.

This is the closest thing I could come to HP/TQ curves for the SS Camaro: http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2867/2f20fbc9ig5.jpg


As for the 2010 Mustang GT, here's the 2008 Bullitt specs:

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3...ordmustbi2.jpg


Looks like the bottom is rear wheel dyno results, unless someone else can find Bullitt engine dyno specs.

So the pony car formula is "performance" in a low quality package? Pony cars aren't allowed for any improvement or luxuries? $2k - $4k is a whole price class higher? I don't quite think its the rest of the marching band that needs to reevaluate their "opinions."

Here's the detailed article Inside Line did for the 2008 Bullitt vs. SRT-8 Challenger. I'm not sure where they tested, but it looks like Nevada, Arizona, California, somewhere in between.

Thats not what the article says.

You mustang leghumpers are funny. If the stats were reversed I would have no problem admiting the Mustang were a better car, but its just not the case. Forget stupid options on the inside the major facts are:

Camaro has a better chasis rated a much higher rate of speed

also more power(quite a bit)

another gear

and

a better rear suspension

Don't forget we are talking about 107 hp that means all the parts that are going to get abused for 100K miles are going to have to be that much stronger than the Mustang. If you still don't see a $4K charge as justified you better go to the eye doctor.

that's just internet folk talking. buying is something else.

I sold cars before as a job. I've seen deals break apart over a $50 difference over a clearly superior vehicle, it's stupid. People will shop a Camaro but want Mustang pricing.

Buyers NEVER see value in a car, they only see $$.

for a benchmark that the Camaro should be around, check out the G8 GXP review that came out. 13.0 @ 109. 415 hp / 3969 lbs. It has better gearing 3.7 vs. 3.45 and an even greater advantage of a 26.72 vs. 28.66. The camaro gearing is pretty horrible, 4th gear in the camaro will be virtually identical to the GXP's 5th gear.

Im guessing the camaro will only be .1 / 1mph faster than that in the manual version. if that.


btw, the GXP has identical front brakes to the Camaro. They noted noticeable brake fade after 3 stops. Weight hurts.

What?? :shrug: