taken from www.liquidlustre.com
" When asked, chemists and painters of the automotive trade stated that most car care products may contain some of the same ingredients in their formulas, they are not the same. For instance, did you know that you can over-seal paint ? Some products such as straight polymer systems ( commonly known as life-time sealers ) used by dealers and most auto detailers over-seal the paint finish, the result being that the paint is not allowed to breath. this can cause the breakdown and loss of elasticity of the paint film. This leads to cracking and reduction of the life of the finish.

NATURAL WAXES CONTAINING CARNAUBA BASE ARE THE BEST. CARNAUBA IS A HARD WAX PROCESSED FROM THE BRAZILIAN PALM. BY ITSELF, CARNAUBA WILL NOT LAST ON A SURFACE, BUT BLENDED WITH THE RIGHT INGREDIENTS, IT WILL PROTECT SAFELY AND IS LONG LASTING"

Does this mean polymers like Zaino actually hurt your paint? I just bought two 16oz bottles of this stuff at the chicago auto show for a total of $21. I have done so for like the last 4 years. It's amazing, I love it. I think its initial shine is really better than the one I got with Zaino. I'd reccomend giving it a try! You wont regret it trust me. Non-Abrasive also BTW. Claims to last 6months. For $12 per 16oz WHY NOT!

 

Good for you! You bought into the BS again! You MUST be very easy to fool. All this paint breathing is straight crap usied by carnauba makes so they can FOOL you into buying their products. This is nothing new, but an educated detailers knows better. I'm not gonna spend my time explaining it to you, but it's pure marketing BS, just like Zymol. Doesn't take much to impress you huh? And, no, Zaino will NEVER hurt, harm, or damage your paint. If that's the best sales pitch they can do, they're pathetic.

LL is a gimmick product. Look at their website and the "torture tests." The acid test? Fire test? Spray paint test? Just like the TV ads? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA Those tests are complete JOKES to fool someone who knows nothing about waxes, such as yourself, into buyng these products. These tests prove nothing, mean nothing, are are pure gimmicks. So, you trust these people huh? Good for you! Smart boy! This is FAR from the "best wax." Just another gimmick and joke product, but you're good at using these, and claiming they're the best on the planet. Funny out of almost 100 posts, you haven't posted a truthful, honest, or non-flaming thing yet. This must be some sort of record! Every post has been pure BS! LMFAO. You're on a roll looking like an idiot, so why stop huh?

If it's truly non-abrasive, how does it accomplish this? Sounds like it's full of strong solvents to me. Better yet, sounds like they're full of crap on just about everyting, just like yourself. Hey, you guys have a LOT in common! You're perfect for each other!

 

Mike they did these tests at the auto show. I've been buying this stuff for years, and that is why I was skeptical about Zaino (i didnt think there was anything better out there). They sprayed white spary paint on a red hoos and let it dry..... then asked someone to try and get it off with water and windex. When they tried and failed they used the liquid lustre and it took it right off. I saw it with my own two eyes. And it left a shine supperior to anything ive ever seen. Good gimmic huh?

 

You saw it with your own eyes, but can't put 2 and 2 together huh? They've fooled you into thinking it's nonabrasive, but how do you think that product removed paint? Ill give you a hint....it's wasn't with carnauba wax. And, further, if it WILL remove paint, would you want to use it on your car??!! My answer is.....HELL NO.


Again, they rely on these gimmick tests to sell their products to people who don't know the diference. For those of us that do, we watch, laugh, and keep right on moving. Products like this are the equivalent to your modern day "snake oil" side shows that caravan from town to town, hawking a product that must cure everyting and works wonders on anything. Honestly, I don't care if you use it or not. It's the marketing BS that makes me laugh and look right over it.

 

DAMN MAN, I NEED TO SELL YOU SOME SWAMP LAND. WHY DO YOU THINK THE LL TOOK THE PAINT OFF, BECAUSE ITS MAGIC? THE REASON IT TOOK THE DRIED PAINT OFF IS BECAUSE LL IS LOADED WITH POWERFUL SOLVENTS (MOST USE NAPATHA) CLEANERS, AND FINE ABRASIVES. THINK ABOUT IT, YOUR PAINT ON THE CAR YOU ARE TRYING TO PROTECT IS!!! DRIED PAINT, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU WANT TO USE A PRODUCT LIKE LL OVER AND OVER THAT IS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO REMOVE DRIED PAINT.

GEESH, DO WE HAVE TO HIT YOU OVER THE HEAD FOR YOU TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

 

I thought Topless was a Zymol fan??? He has already shown in other BS posts he never actually ever used Zaino. His BS is different in every post. No wonder no one takes him seriously.

 

LOL. Ya, he knew Zymol was the best 'evar!' , yet bought all the Zaino stuff and put it on, because he knew it sucked... now he has this new 'best stuff evar!'



This guy and his stories are so stupid it's actually quite funny.

 

I probalby used 6 full bottles of it on my old camaro and I didnt have any problems. I honestly think it works well.

But, actually, the fact that it takes off spray paint and tons of other stuff doesnt settle well with me come to think of it.

 

Paint does need to breathe....but only for roughly 90 days after the spray.

 

I used Liquid Lustre for a long time. It would be ok if your car sat inside all the time I guess. The water beading went away after about one rainshower. I got tired of waxing so much with it. It gave a pretty good shine, but I moved on to better things.

It did smell awesome.

 

MikeLS and Kevin V. are 100% correct. I got the same "your paint needs to breath" b______t from a Zymol phone rep one day back.....

That Zymol rep even had the nerve to tell me "you need to message your clear coat weekly and our Concourse is excellent for hand paint messages".

He also said all the big-time actors buy our high grade wax.

He even said Zaino is bad for your paint!!!!

 

Right on Ray! You see, people like you and I and the many other detailers who know truth from BS, are the biggest threat to companies like Zymol who throw meaningless marketing lines at unsuspecting customers, thinking they will believe anything they are told. Well, not all of us are like sheep and believe or follow everything that is thrown at us. Using your mind and what you know to be fact will always keep you on the straight and narrow. Keep a keen ear when you hear things from these types of companies, and keep in mind that they are just trying their best to sell you stuff, even if it means pouring out BS marketing to do so. Good job sorting the wrong from the right, shows a sign of one that can think for himself and sort through all the garbage out there!


BTW, the ONLY time paint needs to "breathe" is immediately after painting, so it can fully dry and cure. It is in this period that waxing should not be done. After paint is fully set up, it no longer "breathes," that's just more marketing crap that several carnauba companies try to get people to believe. In fact, Zaino can be applied as early as 1 to 2 weeks after painting because it is flexible and can expand and contract with the paint surface, whereas it is recommended by most major carnauba makers that you wait at least 30 to 60 days before using a true carnauba wax, because it's actually carnauba that doesn't allow the paint to breathe after a fresh painting. Isn't that ironic? You can use Zaino almost immediately after painting, but not carnauba! So, which one is it that is or isn't allowing paint to "breathe." Carnauba does not expand and contract with the paint, but merely covers it and will not allow the solvents to properly dissipate after painting. This is why it's recomended waiting longer than 30 days before using a true wax. Ironic huh? But, the carnauba makers never tell you this.....wonder why?

 

That is funny when people that sell carnauba wax tells you your paint has to breath, carnauba wax does not let that happen, Zaino and many synthetic products are flexible enough like Mike said to let your paint breath of newly painted cars, factory painted cars are fully hardened within 3 days of being painted and do not need any cure time.

 

There was a guy here at the last car show doing the Spray Paint thing where they tried to get people to wipe it off using.... WATER!

I was pissed that I didn't bring a bottle of glaze and a rag. I would have yelled out, "That is an oil based paint. Water can remove it; you need something with a solvent." I would have walked up with the glaze and easily removed it.

Instead I had to resort to something else. Right after he made a comment that, "One use of something like a polish or Claybar and your paint is gone." I yelled out, "This guy if a freaking idiot!" They all looked at me including him as I walked away

He was selling IBIZ products.

Wish he did the fire test... they would have seen how my hand is fire proof.

So, from now on EVERYONE!!!! carry a rag and a bottle of mineral spirits or some product with solvents in it to every car show you go to so you can handle these people!

MikeLS, a product can be non-abrasive and still be full of solvents. Two different things.

I will have to say Adam's Polishes advertises one of their products, think it is Revive, as a Non-Abrasive paint cleaner. When I talked to them they have aluminum oxide abrasives in it... Their excuse... the abrasives are too fine to count...

Also, I still prefer the look of carnauba over the look of Zaino

 

That's true because most carnauba paste waxes are roughly 60-70% solvent, maybe more, but there are some solvents I'd certainly consider as abrasive, and some of them are used in cleaner type waxes. Not all abrasives are the physical grit type, like alum oxide. Many of these types of solvents can take away paint just like the grit type (alum oxide). Sorry for the generalization, obviously not all solvents are equal, but still some I would never use on my finishes that make their way into cleaner waxes.