What is it with PPL complaining about pricing?!?

[Bayer-Z28]

I was going to call this into the podcast, but I just listened to it and I'm a little inhebirated to call at the time..

There are a couple people I've talk to that say that $30k is too much, and they were saying "Well, GM was saying it was going to be comparable to the Stang GT's or other Muscle cars of the same release year.. WTF!?!

Think of this:

YEARS of R&D
Compared it to the 4th Gen F-Bod Pricing (5th Gen is cheaper or the same)
Features and creature comforts
Overall design


If you want a $25k SS Camaro, you'd be getting a crappy car.. You mind as well buy a Kia w/a V8 for those expectations.. From what I've seen and compared, this car is basically a newer version of the 4thgens (duh).. The weight especially.. A lot of this new 4th gen is a LOT like the 4th gens.

Come-on now! What more do you want!?!?

[summerkc]

The problem that I worry about is that it puts itself in a really bad pricing tier, more expensive than the Mustang, a little cheaper than the corvette. You are going to split a large number of people either wanting the "same" performance cheaper or better performance for a little more.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by summerkc

The problem that I worry about is that it puts itself in a really bad pricing tier, more expensive than the Mustang, a little cheaper than the corvette. You are going to split a large number of people either wanting the "same" performance cheaper or better performance for a little more.

The complaints from most seem to be that the new Camaro is $1,000-$2,000 too expensive, and yet the 2SS is about 35k. Do you really expect those concerned about 1-2k in price to jump up and spend 10k or more than the 2SS for a Vette?? I certainly don't.
Clyde

[Silverado C-10]

What is it with PPL complaining about pricing?!?

Because time and time again GM gave us false hopes that the car would be "mustang" priced. A 26K GT is a lot easier to pay for than a 31K SS.

And yes, I know all the advantages Camaro has. Once again GM promised, and did not deliver (on price.)

[Primus]

The reason that people are upset is because some thought it would be a little bit lower in price. Although $1000-$1500 price difference isn't a killer for most of us, there are still a lot that it's a deal breaker for. Either because it pushes it out of their price range, or they feel more comfortable buying a new '08 corvette.

What surprises me the most is that people are complaining about people complaining about price. This car evokes a lot of emotion and for those that it has been priced out of their range, they are understandably upset.

[STOCK1SC]

In 02 I was able to get a 3340 pound V8 and 6 speed manual Z28 out the door for $19k. Fast forward 8 years and I can get similar performance and 500lb's more weight for $13k more. No thanks, the new Cobalt SS does almost everything I want with 800lb's less weight and almost $10k less. Put the Cobalt up against the Camaro on a race track and the difference is marginal. Didn't the Camaro beat the Cobalt around Nurinburg by 1 second or something? That's not worth an extra $10k to me. The pricing did it for me, I was holding out hope the 1SS would come in around $28k and maybe I would buy. The new Stage kit for the cobalt is suppose to be around 315hp and combined with 30mpg ratings that's looking pretty good right now.

[HuJass]

A convertible 2SS fully loaded is going to run probably around $40-43K. HOLY S**T!!
Even if an average person could technically buy this car, They will be strapped. They will be living hand to mouth if they finance this car. No average person should be spending that amount of money on a car. This is how we got into the credit mess that we're in right now.

I would think the target income demographic that GM should have shot for with this car should have been about $50-75K per year. What can those people comfortably afford?
But instead, they targeted the people that make like $125K and up.

This is while people are upset. This is supposed to be an average Joe kind of car, but it's not priced that way. GM has just probably told tesns of thousands of people that they don't need their business.

[msgZ28]

I'm a little upset becuase the higher price will put the Camaro out of my comfort zone and into the "stretching the budget" zone. It will be even worse if the fiance' decides that she really wants a convertible. I'll still buy one, but instead of fall '09, I'll have to be buying in spring '10 or later. That means that I will have to daily drive my 2000 Z/28 for that much longer, and I may just have to put some money into the interior to make it more liveable (I need new seats and the cheap plastic interior shook itself apart when I had duals dumped ), which pushes my purchase date even farther back. I didn't expect a much lower price, but I thought (hoped) a 1SS would base at 29K and that I could get an SS/RS convertible for about 37k. Actually, these prices kind of put a nail in the coffin for a convertible.

[STOCK1SC]

I wonder how long until we see huge rebates on these cars, then maybe people can afford to jump into one. The market will eventually set the price correctly on these things, I just think they are a few thousand too much right now for most people. There will probably be huge dealer markups in the beginning but about 12 months out they'll be begging you to buy one.

[cubican]

I was at the dealer yesterday to put down my order for the Camaro , and I ended up with a corvett for 38K brand new.

[JasonD]

Originally Posted by Primus

What surprises me the most is that people are complaining about people complaining about price.

Party because those complaining are not using facts to fuel the complaints.

Originally Posted by STOCK1SC

In 02 I was able to get a 3340 pound V8 and 6 speed manual Z28 out the door for $19k.

19k? Try $22,830
http://www.phantomss.com/camaro/wind...ker/index.html
Getting a good deal at a dealership is not MSRP. That's between the buyer and the dealer, not the buyer and Chevrolet.

Fast forward 8 years and I can get similar performance and 500lb's more weight for $13k more.

Similar? Did someone do testing? So far, the only reviews I have seen is for the V6 in magazines, and the reviews are glowing.

No thanks, the new Cobalt SS does almost everything I want with 800lb's less weight and almost $10k less. Put the Cobalt up against the Camaro on a race track and the difference is marginal.

It is? Where's the data? Weight, that has been covered so many times. To make it lighter, it would have been more expensive, which is the second half of your issue. Then again, if you want a Cobalt, why not get one?

Didn't the Camaro beat the Cobalt around Nurinburg by 1 second or something?

That has been debunked several times. If the time is even true, the Camaro was not even close to complete, and did it when it was snowing.

The V8 Camaro isn't even done yet, so comparing it to a FWD car that is done using speculation isn't exactly a fair comparison.

Originally Posted by HuJass

A convertible 2SS fully loaded is going to run probably around $40-43K. HOLY S**T!!
Even if an average person could technically buy this car

Average people do not buy 422hp convertible sports/mucle/pony cars. It has never been that way. Pricing is speculation, but probably not far off, I suppose. We will have to wait and see...

I feel your pain, guys, but if you are going to gripe, back it up with facts.

[Chevycobb]

ill be waiting until the market is a little flooded with them and I can get one closer to invoice. by then ill have even more, hopefully all, of my debt gone.

[STOCK1SC]

Originally Posted by JasonD

Party because those complaining are not using facts to fuel the complaints.



19k? Try $22,830
http://www.phantomss.com/camaro/wind...ker/index.html
Getting a good deal at a dealership is not MSRP. That's between the buyer and the dealer, not the buyer and Chevrolet. What I pay out the door is what matters, I can't get a new Camaro out the door of any dealership for under MSRP for the next year.


Similar? Did someone do testing? So far, the only reviews I have seen is for the V6 in magazines, and the reviews are glowing. We have enough to go on the make a judgement.


It is? Where's the data? Weight, that has been covered so many times. To make it lighter, it would have been more expensive, which is the second half of your issue. Then again, if you want a Cobalt, why not get one?Nothing to argue here you haven't really said anything.


That has been debunked several times. If the time is even true, the Camaro was not even close to complete, and did it when it was snowing. I love excuses, fact is no matter what they do to it the car is heavy and the Cobalt is light, I'm sorry the Cobalt can hang with a big V8 on a road course, don't get mad at me get mad at Chevy.
The V8 Camaro isn't even done yet, so comparing it to a FWD car that is done using speculation isn't exactly a fair comparison. The time the Cobalt ran was spectacular and the Camaro was pretty well set up to the point I doubt they would drop half a minute off it's time no matter what they do.



Average people do not buy 422hp convertible sports/mucle/pony cars. It has never been that way. Pricing is speculation, but probably not far off, I suppose. We will have to wait and see...

I feel your pain, guys, but if you are going to gripe, back it up with facts.

People do back up stuff but you constantly get pissy if they don't agree with you. We all love Camaro's but we don't all agree this is the second coming like a few on here do. i don't like people constantly bitchingon here either but I haven't see anyone do that in this thread, it's just been honest disagreement over weight and pricing.

[JasonD]

I am not getting "pissy" at all, I am just saying if you are going to make a comparison, make it a factual one.

[mdenz3]

Mustang is alot cheaper. Camaro may be better, but a large portion of the buyers don't even know what IRS is and would rather have 4k extra in the bank.

Also, wasn't the 4th gen alot better, and more expsensive than the mustangs of it's day? How did those sales figures work out.