Only 432 more days..
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Only 432 more days..
Some info on production timing:
http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-camaro.html
http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-camaro.html
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A few GM higher ups have stated that the General will start making Camaros in late 2008. That's true, but, a little misleading. Salable, pilot build, Camaros will be the cars rolling down the line in late 2008. This run of cars will be given to engineers, execs and managers to drive for some fast feedback on any last minute changes that might need to be made to the car or the production process. This production run will not be available to the general public to buy.
I'm already tired of waiting.
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I have not read thru this entire thread -- but here is my pespective
I will not get into a discussion about alleged dates -- frankly, there are so many falsehoods and half-truths about the Camaro that it's hard for ME to keep track!.....(and no, I can't tell you everything you want to know about the car -- altho I wish I could!........)
We have, all along, said that we will go into production in the last quarter of 2008 -- and cars will be in dealerships in the first quarter of 2009.
That has not changed.
I will not tell you when the first car comes off the line at this point in time, nor will I tell you when regular production starts.....for two reasons:
>it's confidential (and I like my job......and won't lose it because someone demands to know info. that is confidential....)
>it could change - and that could include it moving up or back --
Now -- I understand the passion behind the Camaro.
When people get mad and post stuff on this and other sites that could be misconstrued as mean spirited or angry, I suspect that 99% of the time, it's the passion glowing thru the words -- and that's a good thing -- altho I will continue to ask people to remain civil and polite. There's no need for name calling and ill will.........
I ask you to consider this: Knowing our financial position over the past couple of years -- wouldn't we all agree that it would be in GM's best interests if we could be building the Camaro today?
Of course it would......it would certainly help the bottom line -- ..BUT........
The Camaro is going to be built off of a brand new architecture. We are not using a years-old architecture as some of our competitors are going to do.
That means it will take time to design/engineer/build you a QUALITY product. NONE of us (that's you and me) want a Camaro that doesn't have world class quality. It takes time to get it right -- ESP. with a car that will carry such an important nameplate: The Camaro.
The Camaro program was approved in August of 2006 -- and many of our employees were deployed to Melbourne, Australia to commence working on this exciting car. If we start to build cars in the fourth quarter of 2008 -- that will be 26 months according to my abacus! The original Camaro (launched in September 1966) took longer to bring to market -- and let's face it -- it was easier to design and build cars back then...........
So......we're moving forward at a fast pace to bring you a new Camaro. Yes -- we (that's you and me) would like to have the cars in our driveways NOW -- but please have patience -- it will be well worth the wait in my humble opinion.
I will also caution you that we will not have one Camaro in dealerships for everyone that wants one right away......it's simply impossible to have that number of cars available for the pent-up demand that we anticipate.
We will start building them slowly so that the first cars are just as good as the ones two years later.......there's simply no way to start building a new car (even in an existing plant) at regular line-speed and hope to have the cars show great quality........
Will we lose some customers to other manufacturers? Undoubtedly -- and we don't like it -- but it's simply a fact of life. We DO hope they'll be back.
Will you be able to buy a new Camaro for $200 over invoice? No -- of course not -- unless the car completely flops and we have no intention of allowing that to happen -- and frankly, with the buzz it's created, I don't see that happening..........
Now -- I hope I've given all of you some perspective.......
It WILL be worth the wait ..........
Feel free to share!
I will not get into a discussion about alleged dates -- frankly, there are so many falsehoods and half-truths about the Camaro that it's hard for ME to keep track!.....(and no, I can't tell you everything you want to know about the car -- altho I wish I could!........)
We have, all along, said that we will go into production in the last quarter of 2008 -- and cars will be in dealerships in the first quarter of 2009.
That has not changed.
I will not tell you when the first car comes off the line at this point in time, nor will I tell you when regular production starts.....for two reasons:
>it's confidential (and I like my job......and won't lose it because someone demands to know info. that is confidential....)
>it could change - and that could include it moving up or back --
Now -- I understand the passion behind the Camaro.
When people get mad and post stuff on this and other sites that could be misconstrued as mean spirited or angry, I suspect that 99% of the time, it's the passion glowing thru the words -- and that's a good thing -- altho I will continue to ask people to remain civil and polite. There's no need for name calling and ill will.........
I ask you to consider this: Knowing our financial position over the past couple of years -- wouldn't we all agree that it would be in GM's best interests if we could be building the Camaro today?
Of course it would......it would certainly help the bottom line -- ..BUT........
The Camaro is going to be built off of a brand new architecture. We are not using a years-old architecture as some of our competitors are going to do.
That means it will take time to design/engineer/build you a QUALITY product. NONE of us (that's you and me) want a Camaro that doesn't have world class quality. It takes time to get it right -- ESP. with a car that will carry such an important nameplate: The Camaro.
The Camaro program was approved in August of 2006 -- and many of our employees were deployed to Melbourne, Australia to commence working on this exciting car. If we start to build cars in the fourth quarter of 2008 -- that will be 26 months according to my abacus! The original Camaro (launched in September 1966) took longer to bring to market -- and let's face it -- it was easier to design and build cars back then...........
So......we're moving forward at a fast pace to bring you a new Camaro. Yes -- we (that's you and me) would like to have the cars in our driveways NOW -- but please have patience -- it will be well worth the wait in my humble opinion.
I will also caution you that we will not have one Camaro in dealerships for everyone that wants one right away......it's simply impossible to have that number of cars available for the pent-up demand that we anticipate.
We will start building them slowly so that the first cars are just as good as the ones two years later.......there's simply no way to start building a new car (even in an existing plant) at regular line-speed and hope to have the cars show great quality........
Will we lose some customers to other manufacturers? Undoubtedly -- and we don't like it -- but it's simply a fact of life. We DO hope they'll be back.
Will you be able to buy a new Camaro for $200 over invoice? No -- of course not -- unless the car completely flops and we have no intention of allowing that to happen -- and frankly, with the buzz it's created, I don't see that happening..........
Now -- I hope I've given all of you some perspective.......
It WILL be worth the wait ..........
Feel free to share!
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I have not read thru this entire thread -- but here is my pespective
I will not get into a discussion about alleged dates -- frankly, there are so many falsehoods and half-truths about the Camaro that it's hard for ME to keep track!.....(and no, I can't tell you everything you want to know about the car -- altho I wish I could!........)
We have, all along, said that we will go into production in the last quarter of 2008 -- and cars will be in dealerships in the first quarter of 2009.
That has not changed.
I will not tell you when the first car comes off the line at this point in time, nor will I tell you when regular production starts.....for two reasons:
>it's confidential (and I like my job......and won't lose it because someone demands to know info. that is confidential....)
>it could change - and that could include it moving up or back --
Now -- I understand the passion behind the Camaro.
When people get mad and post stuff on this and other sites that could be misconstrued as mean spirited or angry, I suspect that 99% of the time, it's the passion glowing thru the words -- and that's a good thing -- altho I will continue to ask people to remain civil and polite. There's no need for name calling and ill will.........
I ask you to consider this: Knowing our financial position over the past couple of years -- wouldn't we all agree that it would be in GM's best interests if we could be building the Camaro today?
Of course it would......it would certainly help the bottom line -- ..BUT........
The Camaro is going to be built off of a brand new architecture. We are not using a years-old architecture as some of our competitors are going to do.
That means it will take time to design/engineer/build you a QUALITY product. NONE of us (that's you and me) want a Camaro that doesn't have world class quality. It takes time to get it right -- ESP. with a car that will carry such an important nameplate: The Camaro.
The Camaro program was approved in August of 2006 -- and many of our employees were deployed to Melbourne, Australia to commence working on this exciting car. If we start to build cars in the fourth quarter of 2008 -- that will be 26 months according to my abacus! The original Camaro (launched in September 1966) took longer to bring to market -- and let's face it -- it was easier to design and build cars back then...........
So......we're moving forward at a fast pace to bring you a new Camaro. Yes -- we (that's you and me) would like to have the cars in our driveways NOW -- but please have patience -- it will be well worth the wait in my humble opinion.
I will also caution you that we will not have one Camaro in dealerships for everyone that wants one right away......it's simply impossible to have that number of cars available for the pent-up demand that we anticipate.
We will start building them slowly so that the first cars are just as good as the ones two years later.......there's simply no way to start building a new car (even in an existing plant) at regular line-speed and hope to have the cars show great quality........
Will we lose some customers to other manufacturers? Undoubtedly -- and we don't like it -- but it's simply a fact of life. We DO hope they'll be back.
Will you be able to buy a new Camaro for $200 over invoice? No -- of course not -- unless the car completely flops and we have no intention of allowing that to happen -- and frankly, with the buzz it's created, I don't see that happening..........
Now -- I hope I've given all of you some perspective.......
It WILL be worth the wait ..........
Feel free to share!
I will not get into a discussion about alleged dates -- frankly, there are so many falsehoods and half-truths about the Camaro that it's hard for ME to keep track!.....(and no, I can't tell you everything you want to know about the car -- altho I wish I could!........)
We have, all along, said that we will go into production in the last quarter of 2008 -- and cars will be in dealerships in the first quarter of 2009.
That has not changed.
I will not tell you when the first car comes off the line at this point in time, nor will I tell you when regular production starts.....for two reasons:
>it's confidential (and I like my job......and won't lose it because someone demands to know info. that is confidential....)
>it could change - and that could include it moving up or back --
Now -- I understand the passion behind the Camaro.
When people get mad and post stuff on this and other sites that could be misconstrued as mean spirited or angry, I suspect that 99% of the time, it's the passion glowing thru the words -- and that's a good thing -- altho I will continue to ask people to remain civil and polite. There's no need for name calling and ill will.........
I ask you to consider this: Knowing our financial position over the past couple of years -- wouldn't we all agree that it would be in GM's best interests if we could be building the Camaro today?
Of course it would......it would certainly help the bottom line -- ..BUT........
The Camaro is going to be built off of a brand new architecture. We are not using a years-old architecture as some of our competitors are going to do.
That means it will take time to design/engineer/build you a QUALITY product. NONE of us (that's you and me) want a Camaro that doesn't have world class quality. It takes time to get it right -- ESP. with a car that will carry such an important nameplate: The Camaro.
The Camaro program was approved in August of 2006 -- and many of our employees were deployed to Melbourne, Australia to commence working on this exciting car. If we start to build cars in the fourth quarter of 2008 -- that will be 26 months according to my abacus! The original Camaro (launched in September 1966) took longer to bring to market -- and let's face it -- it was easier to design and build cars back then...........
So......we're moving forward at a fast pace to bring you a new Camaro. Yes -- we (that's you and me) would like to have the cars in our driveways NOW -- but please have patience -- it will be well worth the wait in my humble opinion.
I will also caution you that we will not have one Camaro in dealerships for everyone that wants one right away......it's simply impossible to have that number of cars available for the pent-up demand that we anticipate.
We will start building them slowly so that the first cars are just as good as the ones two years later.......there's simply no way to start building a new car (even in an existing plant) at regular line-speed and hope to have the cars show great quality........
Will we lose some customers to other manufacturers? Undoubtedly -- and we don't like it -- but it's simply a fact of life. We DO hope they'll be back.
Will you be able to buy a new Camaro for $200 over invoice? No -- of course not -- unless the car completely flops and we have no intention of allowing that to happen -- and frankly, with the buzz it's created, I don't see that happening..........
Now -- I hope I've given all of you some perspective.......
It WILL be worth the wait ..........
Feel free to share!
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Well...over on www.camaro5.com Scott said:
..and Left Lane News basically said pilot builds late 2008, real production Feb 2009, dealer March 2009.
Several of my supplier friends also seem to have the distinct idea that they are to have parts to Oshawa in time for a Feb '09 start...
Sounds like both people are saying the same things.
We have, all along, said that we will go into production in the last quarter of 2008 -- and cars will be in dealerships in the first quarter of 2009.
That has not changed.
That has not changed.
Several of my supplier friends also seem to have the distinct idea that they are to have parts to Oshawa in time for a Feb '09 start...
Sounds like both people are saying the same things.
Last edited by Mich84; Dec 3, 2007 at 11:27 PM.
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We could throw this http://www.5thgen.org/countdown/ countdown into the mix.
For me it does not matter the car will be in dealers in 2009 and when it is I'll buy it. I don't care if GM takes longer then they said so far just make the right and make it good.
For me it does not matter the car will be in dealers in 2009 and when it is I'll buy it. I don't care if GM takes longer then they said so far just make the right and make it good.
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Will you be able to buy a new Camaro for $200 over invoice? No -- of course not -- unless the car completely flops and we have no intention of allowing that to happen -- and frankly, with the buzz it's created, I don't see that happening..........
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I'm out, tired of the wait, I'm getting a Vette. Even if everything went according to plan it would still be an almost 2 year wait for this car with no garauntee that the top dog Camaro would be released the first year. Factor in inflation in 2 more years and the top dog Camaro is gonna probably run almost $40k, for that amount I can get a Corvette base model now and have a faster car, no way a 3800lb Camaro is gonna run the numbers the LS3 Vette is putting up and the way the "save the earth" religion is spreading, high hp cars like these probably aren't going to be around much longer . By the time this car comes out the market is going to be saturated with Challengers and Mustangs because when people want something they don't like to wait 2-3 years.