L76 as 'base V8'

Dragoneye · 11-06-2007, 02:57 PM

How many here think that the L76 (the motor that's in the G8) stands a chance at being used as the base V8 in the Camaro?

It was originally a truck engine, modified slightly w/ a few LS3 components, and then modded a little more to become G8 specific...it's got AFM, potential for VVT, and I'm sure it could be E85-ified easily.

SS.396 · 11-06-2007, 03:37 PM

L76 would definately make a good base engine for those who want a V8 but fear the insurance and fuel premiums that come with having the top end V8. Hope fully it is indeed
E85 compatible too.

Big Als Z · 11-07-2007, 08:58 AM

Already had this fight, gunna get a bunch of people saying that everyone wants a 430hp V8, and the costs to go with it.

Ron78Z&01SS · 11-07-2007, 10:13 AM

We don't have a "beating a dead horse" smiley so instead I'll use

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I've got nothing at all against E85 or AFM.....in fact, I think they're both a good thing. I would think that eventually GM will have them both in an engine with LS3 power levels.

For the record I'm one of those who thinks it would be foolish NOT to have a 430ish HP LS3 as the "base" V8 just because it WOULDN'T (in my opinion) be appreciably more expensive than the L76.

Dragoneye · 11-07-2007, 10:33 AM

I was thinking more along the lines of having a "fuel-friendly" (if you can call any V8 that), engine for the base trim 'Maro....just a though.

I wasn't trying to start an argument or beat any horses...just thought it'd make a good converstion, and I didn't see any other threads directly about this.......

Ron78Z&01SS · 11-07-2007, 10:39 AM

I think a while back the expectation was that when the LS3 came out in the Corvette it would have AFM. That obviously didn't happen though. Not sure what "glitches" were involved or how far along the program is currently.

Maybe they'll have the bugs worked out in time for the Camaro

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jg95z28 · 11-07-2007, 11:47 AM

I still say there will not be a "base V8".

Dragoneye · 11-07-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jg95z28

I still say there will not be a "base V8".

Which is why I quoted it

posaune · 11-07-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jg95z28

I still say there will not be a "base V8".

And that will be a big disappointment to me. I am one of the people who would like a V8 without having to get a SS or Z/28.

Big Als Z · 11-08-2007, 01:14 AM

Lots of people will want that, but it doesnt look like its going to happen.
Enthusiast = V8 and a V8 = 400+hp now.
What less? Settle with the V6, its makes good power.
Still want an 8 cyl? Mustang or Challenger will be your ride.

It has NOTHING to do with cost of how to build it. If anything, the LS3 could be a SS trim engine, and GM could tag more gear with the SS, increaseing profits of an already increased base price over the L76 equiped "RS" Camaro.
If GM will make the same money on an L76 Camaro and an LS3 Camaro, being equally equiped, then it would only BENIFIT GM to sell the higher hp (read: higher content) V8 model at a higher price, to INCREASE profits!!
Its a WIN WIN!!
Enthuisats want a 430hp V8? WHAMO 32k gets you a base SS with a LS3 making 430hp!!
Want a V8, but dont want to pay the penalty, of both insurance and gas that comes with the LS3, and dont want to settle for a V6? L76 Camaro is YOUR car!
Either way, GM retains the sale!! IT WOULDNT COST GM A DIME!! NOT A SINGLE DIME!!
A simple recert of a lower hp engine, which will probably be done anyway for Zeta since the L76 seems like its going to be the base V8 in other Zeta sedans, the cost would be nothing to GM, zero.
You have a 360-370hp V8 Camaro for the SAME PRICE as a 305hp Camaro SEVEN YEARS BEFORE!! AND BETTER GAS MILAGE!! Such a no brainer.

Dragoneye · 11-08-2007, 08:34 AM

When you really think about it...the LS3 will probably produce slightly less hp than it currently is in the 'vette. The L76 may produce slightly more, because the G8 is a pig.

But that's not my point...what Big Alz Z said. That's my point! plus....on a modification point of view...the L76 may be slightly more friendly to modifications, less power to deal with off the bat, and lower compression ratio for any potential boost.............

Either way, I'm getting a V8...so it really doesn't matter to me, but it'll be interesting to see what I end up with...

Big Als Z · 11-08-2007, 09:04 AM

What would be great with the L76 is that it wouldnt be like a 305 in the past, it would be a performance engine!! A few clicks away, and you have a LS2! Its still a 6.0 V8, and there are plenty of moddable things for it.

Dragoneye · 11-08-2007, 10:30 AM

You know, I did some digging...and the LS2 CR was 10.9:1

The L76, a derivative of the LS2, with a few LS3 parts, is pushing out 360hp right now...with a 10.4 CR....IF someone were to bump that back up to 10.9...I'm pretty sure it could outfly the LS3

I'm definitely getting carried away, and I'll admit it. But I'm stoked if we at least get the L76 in the V8 Mustang fighter.

jg95z28 · 11-08-2007, 11:04 AM

We need to remember that almost 2/3rds of all Camaros sold will be V6s. With less than 1/3rd V8s, GM will look to minimize the number of "options" to save money and maximize profits... at least the bean counters will. Having three V8 versions (aside from convertible derivatives) wouldn't fit in that equation.

Rampant · 11-08-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jg95z28

We need to remember that almost 2/3rds of all Camaros sold will be V6s.

That's what Ford thought, but then they got hit with huge V8 shortages because it was selling at something like 60/40. Now, I am not sure if things have gotten back down to the 70/30 level, but I think we can't hold ANY of our old assumptions as fact anymore.