NEWS: Camaro to receive 500 horsepower?

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The new Camaro could receive a new 6.2 liter V8 with direct-injection boasting more than 450 horsepower, a new report says. The new engine will be based on GM's existing all-aluminum Gen IV Vortec 6.2 liter V8 (L92) that powers the Cadillac Escalade.According to Wards, the prototype engine is currently being tested in a [...]

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[Silver2009]

"Yeaaah baby"

-Austin Powers

[fredl11]

Wish they would quit teasing and come out with something definitive!!

I just watched this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfma32dHjtE



and started have thoughts and then I see this post

AGGH!!

[2001SS4Doc]

Originally Posted by fredl11

Wish they would quit teasing and come out with something definitive!!


AGGH!!

You and me both, brother...but isn't that the point?? To watch the beautiful marinated tri-tip steak sizzle on the grill and feel the drool leaking from the corner of your mouth???

The day the new camaros hit the dealer, I'm gonna roll down there top down , Metallica blaring from my speakers and say.... "I wanna drive that one...."


Cameron

[hyperv6]

This is a no brainer. You know the new Z28 will have power to waste a Shelby.

GM is not coming in second when this car comes out. So expect near 550 HP in the Z28 top line model when it arrives a year to year and a half after the SS.

And before anyone complains that is too long You Got to wait on the engine!!!!

[boomer78]

Originally Posted by hyperv6

This is a no brainer. You know the new Z28 will have power to waste a Shelby.

GM is not coming in second when this car comes out. So expect near 550 HP in the Z28 top line model when it arrives a year to year and a half after the SS.

And before anyone complains that is too long You Got to wait on the engine!!!!

The shelby of 07 or the shelby/whatever they call it of 2010?
And you do realize what the engine is good for right (SC 5.4)
or the Hurricane/Boss engines?

They'll all be fast cars, and have fast engines... but this 'its gotta decimate and rule ...we can't lose...' is getting old

[hyperv6]

The bottom line is what ever Ford has planned GM powertrain has been given the green light to do what ever it take and Lutz has said he will back them up.

The 650 HP Vette is only a start as it has already been pointed out they would not do 700 HP at least not in the first year [Quoted by Jim Queen]

I only estimate the 550 we could even see 600 as word has been the CTSv will see 600+.

[fasteddie94]

Then these cars become overpriced luxuries. How can the average camaro enthusiast afford to purchase, insure, and generally drive said 500-550 horse camaro? It's a waste and i really can't see the day that I'll be able to lay my hands on one.

I think when you keep upping power numbers you're catering to the performance enthusiast. So the V6 will have to pacify every one else I suppose? I just don't get it. I understand this is all speculation and in reality all you can count on being there is a ~400hp LS motor, being that has become the norm for GM.

Don't get me wrong, I can't leave well enough alone but what's the use? Why have a big pissing contest based on HP numbers? Why not just build a better car?

[Z28Wilson]

Originally Posted by fasteddie94

Don't get me wrong, I can't leave well enough alone but what's the use? Why have a big pissing contest based on HP numbers? Why not just build a better car?

I agree. 600 HP, 700 HP is quite a luxury, an insane one and a cool one for bragging rights. Just give me a powerful Camaro that doesn't rattle itself to pieces and I'll be happy.

[f-body fan]

Originally Posted by fasteddie94

Then these cars become overpriced luxuries. How can the average camaro enthusiast afford to purchase, insure, and generally drive said 500-550 horse camaro? It's a waste and i really can't see the day that I'll be able to lay my hands on one.

Don't get me wrong, I can't leave well enough alone but what's the use? Why have a big pissing contest based on HP numbers? Why not just build a better car?

I'm with you, bud ----- I love performance as much as the next guy, but what the 5th-gen Camaro needs is TO BE LIGHTER than the 4th gen, not heavier, so that it gets better gas mileage for those of us who won't be able to afford the $4 per gallon gas that our United Corporations, er, I mean States, of America government will be rationing to us by the time it is finally released, and TO BE BETTER BUILT than the creaky, flexy, oil-dripping 4th-gen cars. Also, there are still a few of us (maybe only 60% of the population...) who actually don't have a lot of disposable income because we need our $ to keep a roof over our heads, therefore something under $50,000 (yes, even more sarcasm here) would be nice.

The alternative is that GM enjoys selling maybe 12,000 of these cars a year to the rest of you, and thus ends up doing what Toyota did to the Supra, circa 1999 (or for that matter what GM themselves did to that ugly-spud GTO last year...).

[hyperv6]

Originally Posted by fasteddie94

Then these cars become overpriced luxuries. How can the average camaro enthusiast afford to purchase, insure, and generally drive said 500-550 horse camaro? It's a waste and i really can't see the day that I'll be able to lay my hands on one.

I think when you keep upping power numbers you're catering to the performance enthusiast. So the V6 will have to pacify every one else I suppose? I just don't get it. I understand this is all speculation and in reality all you can count on being there is a ~400hp LS motor, being that has become the norm for GM.

Don't get me wrong, I can't leave well enough alone but what's the use? Why have a big pissing contest based on HP numbers? Why not just build a better car?

When 600 HP numbers are spoken your only speaking on a car that will be built in limitedf numbers with the z06 being the example.

The car that GM hope sell the most and will get the biggerst push is the
V6. The 600 HP cars are easy to make and give a good profile for the entire line. The V6 is the affordable good milage and with what is coming will perform as well as the 4th Gen Z.

The limited cars will draw a lot of attention to the V6 line and turn a tidy profit while doing it.

[boomer78]

Originally Posted by hyperv6

When 600 HP numbers are spoken your only speaking on a car that will be built in limitedf numbers with the z06 being the example.

The car that GM hope sell the most and will get the biggerst push is the
V6. The 600 HP cars are easy to make and give a good profile for the entire line. The V6 is the affordable good milage and with what is coming will perform as well as the 4th Gen Z.

The limited cars will draw a lot of attention to the V6 line and turn a tidy profit while doing it.

Kinda like how the 300+ LS1 in the 4th gen pulled in all those V6 buyers...


If the 600hp car sells a few thousand and no one buys the V6...the Camaro is done. Hopefully that won't happen.
Even with the v6 engine... that's only one part of the puzzle.

[Rampant]

Originally Posted by fasteddie94

Don't get me wrong, I can't leave well enough alone but what's the use? Why have a big pissing contest based on HP numbers? Why not just build a better car?

I agree, on many levels.
1) It is incredibly easy to add power in the aftermarket for the minority of enthusiasts who want it. However, it is almost impossible to build a better car.
2) When can you actually use 500+ hp on the street? Really. High hp street cars are primarily for ego-boosting. You can roast tires with a lot less hp ;-). High hp track cars will be modified anyway.
3) Gas mileage. In the coming years, it will continue to be more expensive which will make the Camaro a more expensive car in the long run.

Focus less on total hp output, more on reducing weight (with mpg and performance benefits) and building a high quality car (especially the interior).

[hyperv6]

Originally Posted by boomer78

Kinda like how the 300+ LS1 in the 4th gen pulled in all those V6 buyers...


If the 600hp car sells a few thousand and no one buys the V6...the Camaro is done. Hopefully that won't happen.
Even with the v6 engine... that's only one part of the puzzle.

Well Image sells to some and others it can hinder.

I spoke to Fbodfather yeaterday and he pointed pointed out how there were many people who expressed they did not want a lot of power.

This may sound odd but when you consider the fact many Mustang buyers are Females that want a cool car that is easy to drive, affordable, useful as in can haul things. The lower power V6 plays right into there wants and needs. Seeing they may be at least 50% of the target market they can not be overlooked.

As for the 600 HP cars these are image builders for the entire car and for the performance buyer. Many of these are men as as well women.

This car needs to be well rounded and appeal to many in diofferent forms. I know the 1st and 2nd gen Camaros were owned with small engines and people who really had little car if there was a Z28 or not. The 3rd and 4th gens moved closer to a pure performance model with a V6 available. The 4the expsecially was not a car for the wide market. It was more a Vette with a back seat. It was hard for many sto see out of, get out of and they did not care for the hatch. Thart does not say it was a bad car as it was a great car but not for everyone.

I know there will be some thing done to make the new car appeal to more people and it will upset some who think in performance only terms but for the good of the car not only some styling will be retro but I can see the market appeal being moved back to the original concept of a practical sporty car for all.

We too often on enthusiast sites thing and see things from a performance perspective [I do it too]. We will also need consider what is best for all not just the go fast people. But there is still room for a ultra perfromance image car to help sell the sportyness even with a V6. It is all image.

[fasteddie94]

I really don't know how to respond without being a V6 cheerleader here. I guess the best way is to say that the ultra performance camaro doesn't fit it's image that everyone talks about. Not in my eyes anyway. I always saw it as the common man's Corvette. Look at the Hi-Po cars of old and you'll see them as extremely limited. I'm not sure of the ZO6 production numbers but I don't see them as a rare car. I've seen more of those things cruising around then true 4th gen ss cars(maybe a little exaggerated but you get my point).

The niche of the 550 plus horepower car in my opinion is that of the GMMG and Dick Harrell cars, or even the yenkos of old. That niche should be satisfyed by factory supported tuner cars not straight out of the GM product line. Special order cars and things like that I can see but why add to the cost of the car through R&D of these things that you need to have the V6 be your saving grace in the sales department? You know right off hand these cars are not going to appeal to the masses.

In a perfect world where everyone could have a supercar for under 30K and use it as a daily driver for an hour long commute one way, then yes I'd say go for it. The sky is the limit. But that's not the case. Take for example the cost of the currently produced limited production F-bodies. How much did the 427 berger cars cost? If I recall I saw them selling for 100K at carlise when they were introduced, to this day I have yet to see the cost of a harrell car but I'd bet that eclipses the 427 cost pretty easily.

Total product for both cars combined is at ~100 cars. Not nearly the numbers of the ZO6. And I think the argument is getting old. You know the one "Well look at the ZO6. It has (______). So if GM can put (______) on it then the camaro needs to have it."

So just do like Ford. Let guys like Saleen, Roush and Shelby modify and help create these supers cars. In the process absobing some of the cost. I havent ever heard of the mustang being discontinued or on the chopping block. GM has already revived one nameplate, hopefully the camaro won't follow in it's footsteps leaving Ford laughing all the way to the bank.