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Agreed... V6 Sales need to pick up and at least be close to 50% of sales. I do believe that this 1st wave is all V8 because of people like us. That WANT the V8, that HAVE been waiting.

I didn't wait extra or paid extra.. i just told my dealer that if they wanted any of my money it was going to be MSRP or my money goes to another dealer. So either make a sale or lose it.

 

I think that GM wants V6 sales to be over 50%. Way over.

 

That's the most important line in the article to me. For GM coming out of bankruptcy moving profitable product is more important than CAFE for the time being.

 

It is their own fault for making such awesome V8s

 

How does it affect CAFE as a whole when it is one model? you got other cars helping CAFE.... I like to see what % of CAFE is affected by the Camaro.

 

I dont know much about CAFE but part of it could be that the car is still in its first year of returning. Alot of Enthusiasts waiting for the car arent going to settle for the V6. I think after a couple years the V6 may pick up a bit.

That Jay Leno Twin Turbo V6 put up some good LS3 numbers. But at this point in my life I would not be likely to consider this car without a V8. It would defeat the purpose for me personally.


BTW, didnt you hint at a direct injection V8 in the pipeline a while back?

 

I guess that you can look at this in afew ways.

1) The Camaro's sales figures are V8 heavy due to years of pent up demand. (TRUE)

2) Camaro's marketing paradigm has permanently shifted towards higher content /higher priced. (PROBABLY TRUE)

3) V6 sales are fairly stable and representative of where Camaro's true market volume is and will be once initial pent up demand is met. (NOT SO GOOD)

 

I dont know that 2 is true. I just flipped through a Mag and found a 2 page ad for the V6. The V6 looks like a great package, and with the twin turbo probably what youre more looking for drivetrainwise V6 wise and weight wise.

I THINK, emphasis on THINK, there is a combination of things going on.

1. Pentup backed up demand by enthusiasts for the car is boosting sales.
= V8 Sales

2. The car has killer style and refinement IMO which may be positioning it similar to the 2005 Mustang only in a crap economy. The GTO did ok in a similar demand setting but theres no comparison.

3. V6 seems to be a great package. In the past it has been the bulk of sales. Whether that will return I can only guess. I think we will find out as the backed up demand gets satisfied. The Market and GM will figure it out. If the V8 disapears though because of the Nany laws thats a bit irritating.


I think its one hell of a jumpstart. At the same time

Theres a ton of oppertunity for refresh in terms of.

-The car could be a 9/10 version of itself.

-A direct injection LS3 type motor sounds just awesome. Thats my style.

-And that twin turbo V6 sounds like theyre serious about different versions. Thats not me for many reasons including the lack of V8 roar, but I can see alot of people going after it for good reason.

-Suspension improvements

-Wider wheels rather than just taller. Also I agree with Jason, wheels look alot better with a bit of a lip. Wheels look thiner than they are when flush

-Im not good with the terms but I really hope GM doesnt return to its old policy where they completely threw out the last years style. If you look at BMW style, which I also like, they manage to change style between generations without pitching completely the good style of the last generation. We on the other hand throw the last one out completely. The DNA and idea of what a Camaro looks like is all over the map. I stopped by a house where I knew a 69 Camaro lived in their garage to see if it was for sale. The owners wife was happy to tell me the car would probably be available for sale and that the new ones were ok but "Thats not a Camaro." BTW he wants to be buried in the car...

Last week I was eating at a sub shop and I complimented a guy on his 4th gen V6 convertible with Z28 rims. He said "thanks, the new one doesnt have the flash a camaro should have." I kept my mouth shut.

 

How many days of on hand V6 Camaro inventory does GM have? If its close to industry standard (how many is that...90-120 days?) then I'd agree with you on this. Otherwise I'd disagree.

 

Once the gotta have it's have their cars the demand will drop rapidly for the car. It's gotta sell a large portion of V6's to prove it can have staying power and right now it's just former Camaro owners who have waited 8 years and the people who have to have the hot thing at the moment. Once the hot thing has moved on to another vehicle, Camaro might be in trouble. I hope it keeps going but I doubt it. Remember how bad everyone(being the general public) wanted the PT Cruiser, the New Beatle, the Hummer, etc...It's fleeting but hopefully stays strong, I just don't see it with such high V8 sales which tells me it's mainly enthusiasts doing the buying.