i guess i am just a retard or something,check out this post http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/lt1-based-engine-tech-9/1-6-rockers-665687/ this is one of my reasons for not looking at this board much...Ltxtech.com and Ls1tech.com seem to be much more logical(i do mean that loosly) anyway hope your doin alright....Rudy