Who Wants a MSD Replacement for the Opticrap?
05-20-2002, 03:34 PM
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Who Wants a MSD Replacement for the Opticrap?
As the subject implies, who would be interested in getting a MSD replacement for the Optispark?
I am currently trying to convince MSD to build a distributor for LT1's. Here are my thoughts:
1. it would have to retail for less than $450.
2. It would have to be servicible (cap/rotor)
3. It would have to be more durable
4. If possible, maybe make it adjustable for timing.
I think the timing thing is not really possible because the computer controls advance and retard, but if they can do it...
THEY ARE NOT PLANNING TO BUILD ONE. THEY DO NOT FEEL THERE IS ENOUGH DEMAND FOR IT. I BELIEVE THERE IS, SO IF YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ONE, PLEASE POST OR EMAIL ME. I WILL FORWARD THIS INFORMATION TO THE PRODUCT MANAGER AT MSD.
Thanks for your help. We had influence on Hurst to build an A4 shifter (currently in developement), let's do this too!!!
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1997 Z28 MM6 Moroso CAI, Flomaster American Thunder, Taylor, Air Foil, SLP Headers, Crane Ignition, MAF, HPPIII, 4:10's, Summit Girdle, Drilled Rotors,
13.75@ 100.98 MPH
2.055 60'
No New Times With Gears....yet.
I am currently trying to convince MSD to build a distributor for LT1's. Here are my thoughts:
1. it would have to retail for less than $450.
2. It would have to be servicible (cap/rotor)
3. It would have to be more durable
4. If possible, maybe make it adjustable for timing.
I think the timing thing is not really possible because the computer controls advance and retard, but if they can do it...
THEY ARE NOT PLANNING TO BUILD ONE. THEY DO NOT FEEL THERE IS ENOUGH DEMAND FOR IT. I BELIEVE THERE IS, SO IF YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ONE, PLEASE POST OR EMAIL ME. I WILL FORWARD THIS INFORMATION TO THE PRODUCT MANAGER AT MSD.
Thanks for your help. We had influence on Hurst to build an A4 shifter (currently in developement), let's do this too!!!
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1997 Z28 MM6 Moroso CAI, Flomaster American Thunder, Taylor, Air Foil, SLP Headers, Crane Ignition, MAF, HPPIII, 4:10's, Summit Girdle, Drilled Rotors,
13.75@ 100.98 MPH
2.055 60'
No New Times With Gears....yet.
05-20-2002, 03:49 PM
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The LS1 is most likely the 'platform of the future' when it comes to making power.. so.. because of that I doubt MSD would make an opti replacement unless there was a HUGE demand for it.
MSD will either make something like the electromotive SDI system or they'll make their own version of the opti.. just something that is far superior in build quality to the OEM optispark. They'd be better off improving on the original design w/ something better. Too much work for anything else.
MSD will either make something like the electromotive SDI system or they'll make their own version of the opti.. just something that is far superior in build quality to the OEM optispark. They'd be better off improving on the original design w/ something better. Too much work for anything else.
05-20-2002, 04:00 PM
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I would like to see a replacement with better build quality. I also feel that the LS1 is the engine of the future, however, between Corvettes, Impalas, and Camaros, there are close to 1 million LT1 powered vehicles out there. Way more than LS1 powered cars, which already have a superior ignition system.
Thanks for your reply, anyone else have input?
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1997 Z28 MM6 Moroso CAI, Flomaster American Thunder, Taylor, Air Foil, SLP Headers, Crane Ignition, MAF, HPPIII, 4:10's, Summit Girdle, Drilled Rotors,
13.75@ 100.98 MPH
2.055 60'
No New Times With Gears....yet.
Thanks for your reply, anyone else have input?
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1997 Z28 MM6 Moroso CAI, Flomaster American Thunder, Taylor, Air Foil, SLP Headers, Crane Ignition, MAF, HPPIII, 4:10's, Summit Girdle, Drilled Rotors,
13.75@ 100.98 MPH
2.055 60'
No New Times With Gears....yet.
05-20-2002, 04:06 PM
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Sure, I'd give it a shot.
05-20-2002, 04:50 PM
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One of the problems of producing a replacement distributor for the LT1 is the fact that no matter what you do, as long as you use the stock PCM to manage the engine, you need the low resolution pulse from the Opti. Without that signal, the PCM can not fire the injectors and shuts down the fuel system.
Go to the MSD website and look at their new "CPC" ignition system... possible to run 8 direct fire coils, with a standalone timing computer. Problem is, the CPC system needs a crank and cam position signal. It gets this by replacing a conventional distributor with a "plug"... essentially a replacement for the shaft of the original distributor with a cam postion sensor in it. What you need to convince MSD to do is to make a "plug" for the LT1 that can be inserted through a hole drilled in the back of the intake, and would have to provide a cam sensor signal that could be translated into the low res pulse for the Opti.... something I don't think would be that hard to do.
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Go to the MSD website and look at their new "CPC" ignition system... possible to run 8 direct fire coils, with a standalone timing computer. Problem is, the CPC system needs a crank and cam position signal. It gets this by replacing a conventional distributor with a "plug"... essentially a replacement for the shaft of the original distributor with a cam postion sensor in it. What you need to convince MSD to do is to make a "plug" for the LT1 that can be inserted through a hole drilled in the back of the intake, and would have to provide a cam sensor signal that could be translated into the low res pulse for the Opti.... something I don't think would be that hard to do.
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94 Formula A3: 381/TH400/N2O
Detailed Mod's List
11.513@115.59 on motor; 11.162@127.67, 1.643 60' on a 125-shot. Going with a 275-shot this year
05-20-2002, 04:58 PM
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I agree with Fred.
You can count me in!
they just need to take the original opti and make it waterproof!! it really isn't that bad. IMO
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97z28, B&M ripper, Magnaflow SS, K&N FIPK, Lt4KM, Hooker LT's, Fluidampener, 30# injectors, 3.73 gears, ccex224/230, promag1.6rr, AFR LT4 heads, guideplates, Ed Wright tuning, 11:0.1 comp.
Heads, cam, intake, LT headers, Tuning installed 3-19-02.
Looking for 400rwhp NA!!
277 RWHP<---old
302 RWTQ<---old
??? RWHP<---new
??? RWTQ<---new
You can count me in!
they just need to take the original opti and make it waterproof!! it really isn't that bad. IMO
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97z28, B&M ripper, Magnaflow SS, K&N FIPK, Lt4KM, Hooker LT's, Fluidampener, 30# injectors, 3.73 gears, ccex224/230, promag1.6rr, AFR LT4 heads, guideplates, Ed Wright tuning, 11:0.1 comp.
Heads, cam, intake, LT headers, Tuning installed 3-19-02.
Looking for 400rwhp NA!!
277 RWHP<---old
302 RWTQ<---old
??? RWHP<---new
??? RWTQ<---new
05-20-2002, 05:19 PM
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I'm in if they can get the price below the figure you're talking about. Last one I read about was MTI's, and they were planning on going into the $700-800 range. Well, that would pay for almost four opti's.
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05-20-2002, 05:31 PM
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It would be nice if they made something that bolted on where the opti was supposed to go that had all the sensors needed for the CPC ignition.
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Broken 94 Z28 M6
T-tops, CIA, vented opti , CSI H2O pump,LT4 KM, Dynomax Headers (junk), 3" homemade exhaust(B&B Triflow in the works, put on hold), Mcleod clutch, B&M shifter(over priced stock replacement shifter), motor repair in the works
w/ 306 cam & ported heads.
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Broken 94 Z28 M6
T-tops, CIA, vented opti , CSI H2O pump,LT4 KM, Dynomax Headers (junk), 3" homemade exhaust(B&B Triflow in the works, put on hold), Mcleod clutch, B&M shifter(over priced stock replacement shifter), motor repair in the works
w/ 306 cam & ported heads.[This message has been edited by texanmutt (edited May 20, 2002).]
05-20-2002, 05:33 PM
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I'd be interested.
05-20-2002, 06:52 PM
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I have used msd products for years and like them more than any others, i would also like to see them build either a replacement opti, or a dis system for the lt1s......Matt
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97 Artic white TA A4, Mods: moroso cai,ported maf with screens removed, loudmouth,3:73s, hpp plus
tb bypass
best time so far:
13.5 @ 102mph 1.90 60ft
on nitto's
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97 Artic white TA A4, Mods: moroso cai,ported maf with screens removed, loudmouth,3:73s, hpp plus
tb bypass
best time so far:
13.5 @ 102mph 1.90 60ft
on nitto's
05-20-2002, 06:55 PM
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Thanks for your help. We had influence on Hurst to build an A4 shifter (currently in developement), let's do this too!!!
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Hey scott, any news on how that shifter is coming along? I cant wait to see it, I love their ratchet shifters and plan on getting one for my ride when its out in the market. Matt
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97 Artic white TA A4, Mods: moroso cai,ported maf with screens removed, loudmouth,3:73s, hpp plus
tb bypass
best time so far:
13.5 @ 102mph 1.90 60ft
on nitto's
05-20-2002, 08:31 PM
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I would get down on that. Then I could possibly powerwash my filthy 100k engine bay!!
05-20-2002, 08:33 PM
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Waterproof would be a GOOD thing!
Count me in.
- Brent
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Count me in.
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~Project 12's DAMMIT!~
'94 Z28, M6, Borla Y-pipe, Flowmaster Cat-Back, Lingenfelter CAI, TPIS Airfoil, MSD-6AL, March Pulleys, Hotchkis STB, Spohn LCA brackets, Summit Special cutout, G-MAF, straight-pipe'd cat. (for the track only of course ;->, BFG DR's, MAC LCA's & Panhard Rod, Susp. Tech. springs, 287 RWHP / 321 FT. LBS.,
Hotcam, 1.6 RR's, hardened pushrods, springs comin' soon! >>>well, as soon as I can dig my way outta this sand!
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05-20-2002, 08:34 PM
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I haven't had a problem with my Optispark yet, but I am definately keeping an eye out for any alternatives for the future.