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Old 07-27-2005, 07:23 AM
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Re: 96-98 cobra vs. LT1 and LS1

I have a dyno sheet right in front of me from an atlantic blue 98 cobra that dynoed 255 rwhp and 250 ft lbs of torque. How's that for gutless . Though this very same cobra clicked off a 13.8@101 bone stock. The 96-98 snakes were definatly an even match for an LT1 from a dig, but from a roll the cobra pulls a bit harder up top. LT1's usually put down around 240 to as high as I've seen so far 273 to the wheels. Highest LS1 dyno I've personally seen is my buddies 02 firehawk 6 speed that layed 321 to the rear tires with an equally impressive 333 ft lbs bone stock.

Oh and I agree, show me a 00 or 02 cobra, I've always wanted to see one of those.... and not an R, a car that is practically built by every aftermarket company on the planet and only 300 to show with all 300 being put in the rear view mirror by a regular production Z06 corvette, and guess what, you can even do that listening to the radio in the vette . That doesn't classify as a 00 "cobra" to me. Aside from the fact of the vette wasting its ***, as that is still viable in this instance.
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Old 07-27-2005, 07:58 AM
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I don't belive anyone ever said they saw an 00 Cobra or an 02 Cobra, My buddy Cory has an 01, I know there is no 00 but I was not sure about 02.
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Re: 96-98 cobra vs. LT1 and LS1

I think it would depend on your plans for the car and your budget to decide which to get. I'm biased, I admit, but I would rule out the stang immediately. As far as choosing between the LT1 and LS1 you just need to realisticly look at your budget. If you can only spend 10,000.00 on a car then the LT1 would have more potential. If you can spend more, then the LS1 would probably be better. A 5000.00 LT1 with 5000.00 in mods would probably be faster than a 9000.00 LS1 with 1000.00 in mods. It seems that the main advantage the LS1 has stock is a far superior head design and a little bigger cam, if you put better heads and cam in a LT1 then that advantage would no longer be an issue. In the, you just have to decide which one is best for you personally, even if it is a RUSTang.
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Old 07-28-2005, 01:37 PM
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Re: 96-98 cobra vs. LT1 and LS1

Originally Posted by robvas
Bob Cosby's bolt on Cobra was almost as quick as the fastest bolt-on LS1 cars.

Stock for stock a 96-98 cobra vs a 6 speed LT1 is a drivers race
agree. cobras are good runners. from a roll the cobra probably has the advantage..but from a dig, lt1. cobras are harder to drive though..they have a very peaky powerband. sound wise..lt1>DOHC 4.6>>>>>ls1
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Re: 96-98 cobra vs. LT1 and LS1

93 & 93R - 5.0 2V - 235BHP & 280lb/ft
94-95 - 5.0 2V - 240BHP & 285lb/ft
95 R - 5.8 2V - 300BHP & 365lb/ft
96-98 - 4.6 4V - 305BHP % 300lb/ft
99-01 (with no 00's) - 4.6 4V - 320BHP & 317lb/ft
00R - 5.4 4V (from Navigator) - 385BHP & 385lb/ft
03-04 - 4.6 4V w/supercharger - 390BHP & 390lb/ft

There were no 00 Cobras (excluding R's) because Ford had to recall the 99's due to an intake manifold change AFTER power ratings were published. Basically the 99's didn't make 320HP, so Ford had to recall every one of them and make them have 320HP. Having to recall every 99 Cobra made it too difficult to produce an 00.

On a side note, the 03/04 Mustang Mach 1 has the 4V Cobra engine in it, but is detuned to 305BHP. The Mercury Marauder also has this engine, detuned to 302BHP.

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Old 07-28-2005, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by blazer_4.3
u show me a year 2000 or year 2002 cobra and i will give u my car
Link to a 2000 Cobra R http://www.stangnet.com/specs/cobrar2000.html

When can I come pick that car up?

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Re: 96-98 cobra vs. LT1 and LS1

With mods below I was smoking a Cobra w/ a whipple super charger. maybe the driver sucked dunno but I'm sure he was pushing more ponies than me. I'll stick with my LT1
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Re: 96-98 cobra vs. LT1 and LS1

Originally Posted by LagunaS3
Cobra's didn't get the 4V motor until 99. Before that they were either the 4.6 Mod motor or the 5.0 (93-94).



93 & 93R - 5.0 2V - 235BHP & 280lb/ft
94-95 - 5.0 2V - 240BHP & 285lb/ft
95 R - 5.8 2V - 300BHP & 365lb/ft
96-98 - 4.6 2V - 305BHP % 300lb/ft
99-01 (with no 00's) - 4.6 4V - 320BHP & 317lb/ft
00R - 5.4 4V (from Navigator) - 385BHP & 385lb/ft
03-04 - 4.6 4V w/supercharger - 390BHP & 390lb/ft

There were no 00 Cobras (excluding R's) because Ford had to recall the 99's due to an intake manifold change AFTER power ratings were published. Basically the 99's didn't make 320HP, so Ford had to recall every one of them and make them have 320HP. Having to recall every 99 Cobra made it too difficult to produce an 00.

On a side note, the 03/04 Mustang Mach 1 has the 4V Cobra engine in it, but is detuned to 305BHP. The Mercury Marauder also has this engine, detuned to 302BHP.
cobras has 4v heads 96-98. had the 5.0 93-95.

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Sp...IP&tab=2&sub=0
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Re: 96-98 cobra vs. LT1 and LS1

i am a camaro man, but i really like the 96-98 cobras too...they look and sound badass. a friend of mine has a '97 cobra with a blower and a few other bolt ons and it flies. it's for sale too....
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Vin, you're right about the 96-98 being 4V...got carried away writing specs. Did have the displacement right on the 95 in the specs, but wrong on the top of the post. All is corrected.
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Re: 96-98 cobra vs. LT1 and LS1

A little before I bought my new car (see sig) I got some driving time behind the wheel of my brother's '97 Cobra. It was stock except for 3.73 gears, an off-road h-pipe, and a Flowmaster catback.

I have to say that they did feel really close performance-wise. If you could have cloned me and had me drive both cars it probably would have been dead even, or possibly the Cobra pulling slightly ahead, probably not more than a car length. Of course that's just "bench racing".

I like the sound of my car a lot better though. For some reason the Cobra had this REALLY annoying rasp/resonance at 2500-4000 RPMs that was deafening...
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Old 08-01-2005, 09:17 AM
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a stock 96-98 Cobra that dynos 270rhwp stock is beyond a factory freak. I have seen numerous dyno right around the 250-260 rwhp mark bone stock, paper filter and all. I havent seen many LT1s dyno, but from what I have seen it should be around 250-270ish. I like the mod motor cobras too, but you cant do dick to the engine without it costing you an arm and a leg. Just remember, for under 2k you can get a Lloyd Elliot package......short of nitrous, the only way that Cobra is going to make those kind of numbers is with a blower/turbo or a serious bore/stroke/cams package thats gonna run an arm and a leg.

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Re: 96-98 cobra vs. LT1 and LS1

get a Camaro i whipped a 97-98 cobra the other day. It was a 65 year old man and his wife but he kept reving his motor at me so i wasted him by like 2 car lengths....ohh and later i beat my buddies quad yzf 450 with about $2000 in to it. he had me until 75..then i jumped ahead...so point of the story get a camaro
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Re: 96-98 cobra vs. LT1 and LS1

Originally Posted by CDZ28
get a Camaro i whipped a 97-98 cobra the other day. It was a 65 year old man and his wife but he kept reving his motor at me so i wasted him by like 2 car lengths....ohh and later i beat my buddies quad yzf 450 with about $2000 in to it. he had me until 75..then i jumped ahead...so point of the story get a camaro
You probably jumped ahead because he had been topped out for like 2 seconds already
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No contest...

From the May 1996 issue of High Tech Performance (before it became GM High Tech Performance), page 41, comparison test between 1996 SVT Cobra and 1996 Camaro SS:

Camaro SS: 13.31 @ 107 MPH (3.42 gears; 6-speed; on radials)

Cobra: 14.09 @ 100 MPH (3.27 gears; 5-speed; on radials)

The Cobra was owned By "Nitrous Pete" Misinski. He later added 3.73 gears, and on the same stock radials went 13.80 @ 103 MPH.

The SS had 310HP (305 standard; 310 with performance exhaust option), the Cobra 305HP.
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