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Old 01-31-2008, 02:33 PM   #1
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Can a cell phone provider recover deleted voice messages?

Cant say much since its for legal reasons, but can they recover deleted voice messages?
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Possibly but I'd bet it'd take a court order to get them to do anything about it. I also bet there's a very definite retention time for deleted voicemails. Maybe a day, maybe a month but they don't last forever.
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Could be yes, but not necessarily. Most business phone systems have a delete option for the voice mail. The delete just puts it into something similar to the recycle bin on your computer. You have to empty the recycle bin to really delete it (making an analogy, I know it isn't completely deleted in windows). The voice mail system on a cell network may have something similar.

But after a couple of weeks, I am guessing it will be permanently deleted if it wasn't permanently when you pressed the button on your phone.
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Everything you have ever said, sent in a message, recieved, or even voicemails are all recorded in their data base. They have it all stored.
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Everything you have ever said, sent in a message, recieved, or even voicemails are all recorded in their data base. They have it all stored.
They may retain voicemails but not calls - not unless the government is telling them to under the patriot act or whatever.

Otherwise, if they recorded and stored all calls in at least 12 of the 50 states all calls would have to begin with a warning that the call was being recorded. In the rest of the states it's OK to just let one of the two parties know (and this could maybe be in the contract the user signed) but in the other 12 both parties have to be informed, so you'd hear it every time you called somebody in one of those states.
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They may retain voicemails but not calls - not unless the government is telling them to under the patriot act or whatever.

Otherwise, if they recorded and stored all calls in at least 12 of the 50 states all calls would have to begin with a warning that the call was being recorded. In the rest of the states it's OK to just let one of the two parties know (and this could maybe be in the contract the user signed) but in the other 12 both parties have to be informed, so you'd hear it every time you called somebody in one of those states.
There have all records of everything. That doesn't mean that they can exploit you to anybody or anything. However, the government has the right to pull any file at any time, regardless of the Patriot Act.
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There have all records of everything. That doesn't mean that they can exploit you to anybody or anything. However, the government has the right to pull any file at any time, regardless of the Patriot Act.
No, they don't. Remove the tinfoil hat. They have your voice and your text messeges....they do not have recordings of your calls
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No, they don't. Remove the tinfoil hat. They have your voice and your text messeges....they do not have recordings of your calls
Huh? Tinfoil hat.

If they can have complete records of your home phone calls. Why can't they have records of the calls on your mobile? Like I said, just because they have the records doesn't mean they can do anything with them. They just store them along with everything else you do with your phone. Believe it or not, they have the records. I don't know how long they are stored though.
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Huh? Tinfoil hat.

If they can have complete records of your home phone calls. Why can't they have records of the calls on your mobile? Like I said, just because they have the records doesn't mean they can do anything with them. They just store them along with everything else you do with your phone. Believe it or not, they have the records. I don't know how long they are stored though.
They don't store your home phone calls either. Where are you getting this information? Hearsay? Personal experience in the telco industry? Companies can't just choose to violate state and federal laws at will like they would absolutely be doing if they recorded all calls without warning... unless, again, if they had permission, which I'm sure they do on a case by case basis via the patriot act, but not as a whole.
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Huh? Tinfoil hat.

If they can have complete records of your home phone calls. Why can't they have records of the calls on your mobile? Like I said, just because they have the records doesn't mean they can do anything with them. They just store them along with everything else you do with your phone. Believe it or not, they have the records. I don't know how long they are stored though.
They know the numbers you dial or the numbers that called you, but that's it.
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They know the numbers you dial or the numbers that called you, but that's it.
And they know how long the call is, start time, end time, but that is about it.

Oh, and try to image how much data storage would be required to record every single voice conversation in the US for 1 day. No, they are not recording it.
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And they know how long the call is, start time, end time, but that is about it.

Oh, and try to image how much data storage would be required to record every single voice conversation in the US for 1 day. No, they are not recording it.
Yea, I guess I cut it a bit short. It's a freaking print out though, it's not like they can possibly store that much information.

It basically looks like a phone bill. I've actually seen a phone report from an old lawsuit, it's not exciting at all.
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And they know how long the call is, start time, end time, but that is about it.

Oh, and try to image how much data storage would be required to record every single voice conversation in the US for 1 day. No, they are not recording it.
We're working on a call recording and management system at my workplace. Current storage estimates with near perfect phone quality recordings (very limited frequency range, mono, easy compression, etc) is about 6MB per hour.

It really wouldn't be that difficult with the low cost of storage to record calls - at least from a cost of storage perspective. I average about 1000 minutes a month of cell phone usage (day and night), so you could fit me in a little over a gigabyte of storage for a year's worth of talking on my cell (I have no house phone).
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We're working on a call recording and management system at my workplace. Current storage estimates with near perfect phone quality recordings (very limited frequency range, mono, easy compression, etc) is about 6MB per hour.

It really wouldn't be that difficult with the low cost of storage to record calls - at least from a cost of storage perspective. I average about 1000 minutes a month of cell phone usage (day and night), so you could fit me in a little over a gigabyte of storage for a year's worth of talking on my cell (I have no house phone).
So one person equals a gigabyte a year, so 350 million people would be how much in data terms? I don't know the name for what that would be.
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