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Old 06-19-2006, 09:25 PM   #1
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250 Pound Squat: Respectable or No?

Ok, I used to never do bench press or squats, because being the loner I am I would never actually ask anyone to spot me, and I wasn't sure what I could or couldn't handle.

Well about 6 weeks ago I resumed working out seriously again at a gym that has a squat machine. I started out at 180 about 2 weeks ago, and now I am up to 250. Is this a good number in general, or a puss number? Just curious, for an ego boost or soul crushing honesty.
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Re: 250 Pound Squat: Respectable or No?

Depends, whats a squat machine? Do normal squats.... machines are gay, they seem to all be different.
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Old 06-19-2006, 09:27 PM   #3
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Re: 250 Pound Squat: Respectable or No?

I'm gonna say that's probably about right if you don't work legs much. I've never done any squats on a machine though.
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Re: 250 Pound Squat: Respectable or No?

Its the machine where you can't fall. You can pretty much only go up and down, and the bar has hooks on either end, and there are pegs up and down the machine. Twist the bar back and the hooks clear the pegs, when you finsih or can't handle the weight or can't finsih a rep, you just twist the bar forward and the hooks catch the pegs and your free and clear. Other wise its the same as just using a bar, except falling and making an *** out of yourself is less likely.
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Re: 250 Pound Squat: Respectable or No?

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Its the machine where you can't fall. You can pretty much only go up and down, and the bar has hooks on either end, and there are pegs up and down the machine. Twist the bar back and the hooks clear the pegs, when you finsih or can't handle the weight or can't finsih a rep, you just twist the bar forward and the hooks catch the pegs and your free and clear. Other wise its the same as just using a bar, except falling and making an *** out of yourself is less likely.

Ooooh, ok. In that case no, 250 isn't much at all. The guys who squat in those racks usually put up like 300+ but then can't do 160 unassisted.

So in a sense it's a fair amount of weight, but in reality it's not much at all.
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Re: 250 Pound Squat: Respectable or No?

I agree with OP work on doing plain old barbell squats, machines usually don't give you a correct range of motion. Not to mention that barbell squats will work your legs much better than a machine can.
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Re: 250 Pound Squat: Respectable or No?

I have yet to come across a machine that I couldn't do every last pound on the machine multiple times. But none of the clubs I have access to have very high weight machines - around 600 pounds or so. Can't add any more weight.

I can't do unassisted 'real' squats because I have a bad knee that will give out long before my muscles do. It can't handle the balancing factor while my legs muscles are doing the squatting...
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Re: 250 Pound Squat: Respectable or No?

First off, props if you're working out hard and sticking to it.

Its hard to say about the weight. Some people like to do big weights and get nowhere close to a 90 kneebend - kind of like guys who pile up the plates on the leg sled and go 2" up and down .

Get to a real squat rack with "safety bars" that will catch the barbell. First, set them to the level that is about a 90 knee bend for you. Do a squat without weights to check the height. You can do real squats like this without having a spotter (probbaly wouldn't try to max ANYTHING without a spotter though).

FWIW, I was 5' 9" @ 180 in Highschool. I squatted 300, power cleaned 200, and benched 155 - yeah, weak bench. Now, I'm an extremely flabby 230 @ 6', can bench about 200, and would probably die if I tried to squat an honest 300lbs .

However, posting up your #s hints insecurity on your part. Don't worry about anyone else' squat. Bust your *** and laugh at the ego maniacs stacking up the plates with no form - its a waste.

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Re: 250 Pound Squat: Respectable or No?

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I have yet to come across a machine that I couldn't do every last pound on the machine multiple times. But none of the clubs I have access to have very high weight machines - around 600 pounds or so. Can't add any more weight.

I can't do unassisted 'real' squats because I have a bad knee that will give out long before my muscles do. It can't handle the balancing factor while my legs muscles are doing the squatting...
This is no a machine with pulleys and cables and sh
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You use actual plates, just like the 'real' squats. You add on as many plates as you can hanlde, and I highly doubt you could 'max out' this machine. It could probably fit more than a few 45 pound plates.
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First off, props if you're working out hard and sticking to it.

Its hard to say about the weight. Some people like to do big weights and get nowhere close to a 90 kneebend - kind of like guys who pile up the plates on the leg sled and go 2" up and down .

Get to a real squat rack with "safety bars" that will catch the barbell. First, set them to the level that is about a 90 knee bend for you. Do a squat without weights to check the height. You can do real squats like this without having a spotter (probbaly wouldn't try to max ANYTHING without a spotter though).

FWIW, I was 5' 9" @ 180 in Highschool. I squatted 300, power cleaned 200, and benched 155 - yeah, weak bench. Now, I'm an extremely flabby 230 @ 6', can bench about 200, and would probably die if I tried to squat an honest 300lbs .

However, posting up your #s hints insecurity on your part. Don't worry about anyone else' squat. Bust your *** and laugh at the ego maniacs stacking up the plates with no form - its a waste.

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Re: 250 Pound Squat: Respectable or No?

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You use actual plates, just like the 'real' squats. You add on as many plates as you can hanlde, and I highly doubt you could 'max out' this machine. It could probably fit more than a few 45 pound plates.
It still operates the same way a machine does - it just uses free weight plates instead of integrated plates. I've done your kinda machine too - same difference as far as I'm concerned - my knees are still OK with it. They just don't have any of those at the two gyms I have access to.

And yeah, most of those machines will let you stack anywhere from 1000-1500 pounds on 'em. If you ghetto stack 'em you can get them up to like 2000-2500. lol
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Re: 250 Pound Squat: Respectable or No?

some of the squat machines can be fierce. i used one at the gym, it was pneumatic and weight/air pressure was set by a dial. that things safety didnt engage until you were squashed like a bug on the floor. safety leg was 30" off the floor, so you figure you were on your a$$ if you couldnt handle it or reach the lever.

like 96 said, props to you for sticking it out....the weight training that is
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Re: 250 Pound Squat: Respectable or No?

Well the term "alot" is relative but generally 250lb on the smith machine is not alot at all. I hope you're not counting the bar as part of the 250 either.

If you want to get big and get some great gains, do some real squats. Simple as that.
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You mean like the smith machine? If so, that's not a lot, but not too bad for starting out.
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I can't believe no one asked how much you weigh? That plays a factor a tiny bit in if it's impressive or not... plus your age.

I don't know who said it but they are right... squat in a squat rack for starters. Then you put two bars sitting perpendicular to the car making a + size towards the outer part of the bar. It's so when you can't do anymore you just squat down a little farther and the bars catch it for you.

Main thing though man... you MUST have someone watch you do it. Squatting is SOOOO important but if you have bad form, you can hurt yourself. Make sure you have someone watch your form at least. It's very important.
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