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Old 07-24-2002, 09:18 PM
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These are actual sales figures for May 2002.

Sports coupe class:
Mustang 14,255
Eclipse 4,779
Corvette 3,049
Acura RSX 2,995
Camaro 2,901
Eclipse 2,335
Firebird 2,102
3 series 2,009

Some other cars of intrest:
Cavalier 29,542
GrandPrix 10,664
Sunfire 9,405
MonteCarlo 4,478

BMW 5 series 3,550
CadillacCTS 3,473
Lincoln LS 3,383
Infinity G35 3,298

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how come there are 2 Eclipses in the first list?
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Boy, if you would have told GM that Corvette would be outselling Camaro back in the 70's and 80's, I bet hey'd all have thought they'd be the only car company left....
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Hmmm, interesting. At 3473 sales the CTS (which I very much like) is touted as a succesful model for GM. At 5003 sales the Camaro/Firebird is a failure.

Yes,yes I know the St. Therese plant was under utilized. Perhaps they will make a more realistic assessment of the market next time.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Decromin:
how come there are 2 Eclipses in the first list?</font>
The coupes & droptops are counted separately.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Chewbacca:
Hmmm, interesting. At 3473 sales the CTS (which I very much like) is touted as a succesful model for GM. At 5003 sales the Camaro/Firebird is a failure.

Yes,yes I know the St. Therese plant was under utilized. Perhaps they will make a more realistic assessment of the market next time.
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You have to compare CTS to it's competitor's sales which I also posted. It is in fact doing very well. The F-Body's competitor is selling almost 3 times more models, so even combined, the F-bod is a current failure.

There isn't much of a positive where your sales figures are flattened by Corvette.
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I wonder how many of those Mustang sales are to rental companies? I don't think you'll see CTS's as rentals.

The low fbody sales don't surprise me considering that the end of production is a well known event. I'm sure GM didn't try very hard to sell more than this.
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Up here, Budget has lots of rental Mustangs-
V6 coupes and verts and GT verts.

Last year they had Z28 verts- I rented one- ton of fun! Too bad none this year

No CTS's though- too bad i'd like to try it out. Nice to see the CTS is second!
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But the Monte only sells 4400 units compared to Fbody's 5000? It would seem to me that, given fbody combined sales are in excess of newer, more expensive to develop vehicles like the monte and CTS, and the fact that the fbody tooling was paid off several years ago, that the whole "lagging sales killed the Fbody" story is total B.S.

I'm convinced at this point that it had everything to do with labor relations at St. THerese and nothing to do with sales. Yes 60,000 units a year sucks compared to Fbodies of the past, but they are a money maker for GM nevertheless. I think the St. Therese plant is too expensive for GM's tastes, yet the union contract had them stuck there building Fbody....a car that was profitable when facilities costs were not involved. Yet, I'll admit, even if its profitable, you can only continue selling an aging car so long, so production for the 4th gen had to end. But, GM simply lets the car die...no plans for a new one, because if there were an '03 new model, it would have to be built at St. Therese.

So, they are waiting out the contract. I bet we don't hear of any "official" plans for a new car until that contract dies.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6:
But the Monte only sells 4400 units compared to Fbody's 5000? It would seem to me that, given fbody combined sales are in excess of newer, more expensive to develop vehicles like the monte and CTS, and the fact that the fbody tooling was paid off several years ago, that the whole "lagging sales killed the Fbody" story is total B.S.

I'm convinced at this point that it had everything to do with labor relations at St. THerese and nothing to do with sales. Yes 60,000 units a year sucks compared to Fbodies of the past, but they are a money maker for GM nevertheless. I think the St. Therese plant is too expensive for GM's tastes, yet the union contract had them stuck there building Fbody....a car that was profitable when facilities costs were not involved. Yet, I'll admit, even if its profitable, you can only continue selling an aging car so long, so production for the 4th gen had to end. But, GM simply lets the car die...no plans for a new one, because if there were an '03 new model, it would have to be built at St. Therese.

So, they are waiting out the contract. I bet we don't hear of any "official" plans for a new car until that contract dies.

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I agree. The labor situation at St. Therese had to be a major, if not the primary factor in the ending of the 4th gen...

That being said, GM should have had an approved 5th gen ready to roll, and come out as a 2003 model. This didn't happen, I'm assuming, thanks to the Zarella regime.


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