Originally Posted by notgetleft
I'm glad you led with a stupid comment like that because....
I thought your "old guys in 89 Thunderbirds" was quaint, so I felt I should return the complement.
Don't throw poop and expect it not to be thrown back.
Originally Posted by notgetleft
...you have been exposed as having no idea what you are talking about here. Over 9 seconds to accelerate from 30-50mph? Maybe in one of your jet engine (ROFLMAO) thunderbirds. Nah, even they aren't that slow, unless you have a car load of fat chicks maybe.
I didnt even read the rest after that, there's no point, you live in an imaginary world and will make something up to come back at me with like you did here.
Though the 9.2 seconds 30-50 was a misquote on my side, the GTO from 50-80 with the momentum of an standing start acceleration of 50mph behind it and a straight line is over 5 seconds. 9 seconds to get to 80 from 40 is perfectly reasonable (maybe even a bit optimistic) when you not only have to rebuild accelerating momentum, & to get into another lane.
God forbid if you think I make things I post up, so....
But as was pointed out in a previous post, the whole thing is moot because
1: it is illegal, and...
2: only people highly intrested in immediately giving to the organ doner program and taking a few people with him
would attempt such a assinine stunt in a situation you describe.
Originally Posted by Plague
But the gearing you are talking about is over drive. Why not have a contest of 30-50 in Reverse then as well? It is about as applicable when you are talking about acceleration in over drive. The top gears are to save gas, not to accelerate. So yes, it does have a gearing advantage in 6th vs 5th of the mustang, but what about the rest of the gears? Those two are the least important... well, I guess Reverse might be less important.
Originally Posted by AdioSS
His numbers are assuming the driver didn't downshift from 6th gear to like 3rd. We all know that the people who buy stick shift cars never remember to downshift when they are preparing to pass several cars on a 2 lane road...
A more accurate calculation is to get a vehicles acceleration-to-mph times (0-30, 0-40, 0-50, etc...), take the difference between starting mph and ending mph, and then adding at least 2-3 seconds.
Example, let's take hypthetical times (say from Motor Trend Magazine's February 2005) that has recorded times of a vehicle's 0-40 at 2.9 seconds and the 0-100 time is 11.9. That's a 9 second spread.
If you're passing a car from a steady speed, you aren't going to match the 50-100 mph speed of a car that accelerated from a start because it already has momentum. You also are going to take time (perhaps a second) to get into the next lane.
If the traffic is moving at 40, the more vehicles you pass, the higher above 40 you need to go. Assuming one doesn't have an sudden urgent need to see their Allah or Yahweh immediately, passing 5 vehicles means you're likely gonna need about 100 mph. So that 9 seconds becomes 11-12 seconds. Giving every benefit imaginable, one isn't going to break that 9 seconds needed to pass, but it's more likely going to be more.
But again, regardless as to the math, anyone going 80 mph on a city street, and feeling the need to pass 5 vehicles on a 2 lane road when they know they will barely make it is driving on the same streets and highways you drive on.
The graveyard is filled with the handywork of people like that and Scott regularly posts articles of the aftermath of combative know-it-alls that take these types of chances. Personally, I prefer not to end up on the other end of someone trying to squeeze that extra split second passing more cars than he should on a 2 lane road while I'm riding with my 5 year old, or blasting 80 mph on a city street (you travel 25% more distance during your reaction time at 80 mph than at 60, and your vehicle needs 75 to 100 feet more space to stop from 60 mph than it does from 80..... and we're talking about this on a frigging city street!!!
is the underlying point to all this, not
what type of car some so-called old guy drives, or whether or not you want to hair-split numbers.
The top gear test is solely a demonstration of gearing and torque. No one slams on the brakes at 120 mph to come to a dead stop or has a real need for a 0-130 mph time either. But it's an worthwhile test that does give information.