REPORT: 2011 Ford Mustang to get upgraded Track Pack to handle 5.0 "Coyote" power?
#31
If anything, being that no one is likely to do a 40-80 blast on a city street, and no one is going to start a freeway run at only 40 mph, it's the 40-80 statistic that's pointless IMHO.
As for the freeway run example, i'd counter with this one. How about passing someone on a 2 lane country road? You know, 45mph speed limit with a line of cars going 44mph in front of you. 40-80 time can be what makes the difference between passing 5 cars cleanly in the next passing zone, and getting by some of them and having to jam on the brakes to merge back in before the next turn.
FWIW:
3. Even dismissing the fact that they didn't downshift (and in reality, both would downshift), it's obvious that the Mustang GT wouldn't exactly get "smoked" by the Camaro SS in either 30-50, 50-70, or perhaps even your hypothetical 40-80 run.
In fact, it would be a very interesting, very good, and perhaps even surprising race.
In fact, it would be a very interesting, very good, and perhaps even surprising race.
#33
40-80 is pointless? thats usually what I do, or very close to it. highway on ramps when I see no cars coming in the slow lane, nice long open country roads. 0-60 is all traction. I took my '89 beretta GT 5 speed to the drag strip a few years ago. I was able to hammer out a 2.30 60' after about 10 launches. last time I was at the track with my '99 formula I was mostly running high 2.2 60's. they were less than a tenth of a second off! does this mean my beretta is as fast as my formula? according to you it is!
my buddy just picked up a 2010 mustang GT. we're dying to see how it will do against my 136k mile '99 formula. both cars are stick, and I believe his has the track pack. Im confident my car will take him down from a dig and a roll. since I KNOW Im not as fast as a new camaro, we'll see
top gear acceleration tests are also retarded but others have already noted that.
its an important stat for the mustang guys because that is the only way they can hope to be close to a '10 camaro SS. once the camaro gets traction, its gone.
3. Even dismissing the fact that they didn't downshift (and in reality, both would downshift), it's obvious that the Mustang GT wouldn't exactly get "smoked" by the Camaro SS in either 30-50, 50-70, or perhaps even your hypothetical 40-80 run.
top gear acceleration tests are also retarded but others have already noted that.
0-60 mph IS an important stat. The only time I ever hear it isn't is when the result is unfavorable to a car a person is enthusiastic about. You never heard this back in the 4th gen days.
Last edited by Zigroid; 08-18-2009 at 07:02 PM.
#34
40-80 is pointless? thats usually what I do, or very close to it. highway on ramps when I see no cars coming in the slow lane, nice long open country roads. 0-60 is all traction. I took my '89 beretta GT 5 speed to the drag strip a few years ago. I was able to hammer out a 2.30 60' after about 10 launches. last time I was at the track with my '99 formula I was mostly running high 2.2 60's. they were less than a tenth of a second off! does this mean my beretta is as fast as my formula? according to you it is!
0-60 is a measure of the time it takes for a vehicle to accelerate from 0 miles per hour to 60 miles per hour.
They are totally separate and distinct measures.
I have never been drag racing but even I know that.
#36
60'=sixty feet=a distance measure. A 60' time is how long it takes you to go the first 60 feet.
0-60 is a measure of the time it takes for a vehicle to accelerate from 0 miles per hour to 60 miles per hour.
They are totally separate and distinct measures.
I have never been drag racing but even I know that.
0-60 is a measure of the time it takes for a vehicle to accelerate from 0 miles per hour to 60 miles per hour.
They are totally separate and distinct measures.
I have never been drag racing but even I know that.
you gonna dispute that a gt can out-accelerate an ss? it needs a 500 after the gt...
#37
And posted a comment that was in an entirely different direction than the quote.
It's all opinion.... so we'll disagree on this one.
I agree with all things being equal, gearing would win out.
But to sling something that's heavier than the other, you'd need shorter (higher numerical) gearing on the heavier vehicle. Between the SS and the GT/TP, it's the GT that has the gearing and weight advantage. That leaves the SS to rely on it's engine output to make up the difference. Based on the C&D test, the odds would favor the GT over the SS in both the 30-50 and 50 to 80 blasts.
Of course, when you get farther along in the acceleration run, the SS will no doubt eventually catch and pass the GT. But it's pretty apparent that the GT isn't simply going to exactly be left for dead during most street or freeway "Grand Prixs" as one might believe.
But to sling something that's heavier than the other, you'd need shorter (higher numerical) gearing on the heavier vehicle. Between the SS and the GT/TP, it's the GT that has the gearing and weight advantage. That leaves the SS to rely on it's engine output to make up the difference. Based on the C&D test, the odds would favor the GT over the SS in both the 30-50 and 50 to 80 blasts.
Of course, when you get farther along in the acceleration run, the SS will no doubt eventually catch and pass the GT. But it's pretty apparent that the GT isn't simply going to exactly be left for dead during most street or freeway "Grand Prixs" as one might believe.
#38
I have no idea what you are talking about. I enjoy squeezing it through second gear and third quite often, which amounts to a 40-80 run. When you're in a fast car, it's a very easy and safe quasi-legal speed range to zip right through, yes even on city streets if no one is around.
Uh huh.
As for the freeway run example, i'd counter with this one. How about passing someone on a 2 lane country road? You know, 45mph speed limit with a line of cars going 44mph in front of you. 40-80 time can be what makes the difference between passing 5 cars cleanly in the next passing zone, and getting by some of them and having to jam on the brakes to merge back in before the next turn.
A 55 mph road with a vehicle traveling 40 mph with 5 cars ahead.
Each car about 200" long (or 16.5 ft), about 82 and a half feet.
Each car with half a length between them including yourself (8 ft, or so) about 40 feet.
At 40 mph, you'rte going about 57 feet per second... and so is every one else.
114 ft per second if you include the traffic in the other direction coming at you at 40 mph (they are likely coming at you alot quicker, but for this purpose, 40 mph is quick enough).
So, you need to clear 122 feet worth of vehicles.
Now a car... lets say a 2005 GTO... runs 30-50 in about 9.5 seconds, and 50-80 in 9.2. Lets figure you can accelerate from 40-80 in about 9 seconds if you are a whiz shifter, and there's nice, cold dense air your engine's sucking in.
In 9 seconds at 40 mph, traffic has traveled 1026 feet. Plus 5 cars equals a total of 1,148 feet you have to clear. Add another 5-8 feet if you don't want to end up part of the lead car (or truck's) bumper.
In order to clear everything in 9 seconds, you'd have to run up to at the very least 100 mph as fast as you possibly could in order to avoid getting up close and personal with the lead vehicle of oncoming traffic.
If you were going 60 mph and had to pass someone, you'd fare better. That GTO gets from 60 to 100 in about 7 seconds.
Realistically, if you tried passing 5 vehicles going 44 mph and was cutting it close, you'd have a very good shot at becoming roadkill. But then again, if someone thinks it's safe to drive 80 mph in the city......
FWIW, the C&D top gear acceleration test is a joke not even worth discussing. No double-OD car ever does well in that test, especially against a single OD car.
But I guess all that doesn't count just because you say no double OD car does that well in a test, huh?
Gee.
In fact, you're not talking to some woman in your office who doesn't know what these cars do in races against each other.
Any one have any crayons I can borrow?
There's no need to get all hypothetical in a camaro vs. mustang racing question here. Some of us here have cars that are about as fast (if not faster) than a camaro SS and know what our cars do in races against late model mustangs. Third gear is where HP starts to win big vs. the mustangs shorter gearing in 1/2.
The new Mustang GT/TP hold up well against SS on most all street matchups both from a standing start and a rolling start from typical traffic speeds. The SS can't run away from the GT/TP on a race course that doesn't have alot of straightaways. But the Camaro SS will anniliate off a Mustang GT/TP if it has a quarter mile from a standing start.
That pretty accurately sums it up.
Last edited by guionM; 08-18-2009 at 11:39 PM.
#40
As for the freeway run example, i'd counter with this one. How about passing someone on a 2 lane country road? You know, 45mph speed limit with a line of cars going 44mph in front of you. 40-80 time can be what makes the difference between passing 5 cars cleanly in the next passing zone, and getting by some of them and having to jam on the brakes to merge back in before the next turn.
#41
Now a car... lets say a 2005 GTO... runs 30-50 in about 9.5 seconds, and 50-80 in 9.2. Lets figure you can accelerate from 40-80 in about 9 seconds if you are a whiz shifter, and there's nice, cold dense air your engine's sucking in....(more inanity and completly made up acceelration figures
I didnt even read the rest after that, there's no point, you live in an imaginary world and will make something up to come back at me with like you did here.
Last edited by notgetleft; 08-19-2009 at 09:06 AM.
#42
I'm glad you led with a stupid comment like that because....
...you have been exposed as having no idea what you are talking about here. Over 9 seconds to accelerate from 30-50mph? Maybe in one of your jet engine (ROFLMAO) thunderbirds. Nah, even they aren't that slow, unless you have a car load of fat chicks maybe.
I didnt even read the rest after that, there's no point, you live in an imaginary world and will make something up to come back at me with like you did here.
...you have been exposed as having no idea what you are talking about here. Over 9 seconds to accelerate from 30-50mph? Maybe in one of your jet engine (ROFLMAO) thunderbirds. Nah, even they aren't that slow, unless you have a car load of fat chicks maybe.
I didnt even read the rest after that, there's no point, you live in an imaginary world and will make something up to come back at me with like you did here.
#43
Agreed, it's assinine in his calculations to use this figure but had to in order to make it work for his argument which is flawed. Nobody passes 5 cars from 55mph in 6th gear unless they want to die. Why all the car magazines use these idiotic figures is beyond me, drop down to the most appropriate gear for maximum acceleration and give me that number. Have a new Camaro and a new Mustang everyone is bragging about with the track pack go from these speeds and downshift to the appropriate gear and see if the Camaro doesn't walk it! This is a falied attempt to make the Mustang look better than it is and to make the Camaro look worse than it is, it is heavy and if you try to accelerate from 6th gear to any speed it's gonna take some time, it did in my 02 Z28 and it will in the new car. The Gt500 isn't that great from a 6th gear roll either, what's the point?
#44
I agree with all things being equal, gearing would win out.
But to sling something that's heavier than the other, you'd need shorter (higher numerical) gearing on the heavier vehicle. Between the SS and the GT/TP, it's the GT that has the gearing and weight advantage. That leaves the SS to rely on it's engine output to make up the difference. Based on the C&D test, the odds would favor the GT over the SS in both the 30-50 and 50 to 80 blasts.
Of course, when you get farther along in the acceleration run, the SS will no doubt eventually catch and pass the GT. But it's pretty apparent that the GT isn't simply going to exactly be left for dead during most street or freeway "Grand Prixs" as one might believe.
But to sling something that's heavier than the other, you'd need shorter (higher numerical) gearing on the heavier vehicle. Between the SS and the GT/TP, it's the GT that has the gearing and weight advantage. That leaves the SS to rely on it's engine output to make up the difference. Based on the C&D test, the odds would favor the GT over the SS in both the 30-50 and 50 to 80 blasts.
Of course, when you get farther along in the acceleration run, the SS will no doubt eventually catch and pass the GT. But it's pretty apparent that the GT isn't simply going to exactly be left for dead during most street or freeway "Grand Prixs" as one might believe.