Automotive News / Industry / Future Vehicle Discussion Automotive news and discussion about upcoming vehicles

The Bad News Starts All Over Again

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-18-2012, 11:13 AM
  #1  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
25thTA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Southeast, USA
Posts: 174
The Bad News Starts All Over Again

Just read this and it makes me sick. The article gives no facts, just opinion. What the hell are they teaching in journalism school these days?

Here's the link.
We are in June 1, 2009. At approximately 8:00 am EST General Motors fills for Chapter 11 reorganization in the Manhattan New York federal bankruptcy court.
The filing reported US$82.29 billion in assets and US$172.81 billion in debt. Is the fourth-largest filing in U.S. history after Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Washington Mutual and WorldCom Inc.
Shortly after, Obama administration is announcing that the Government will invest an additional $30.1 billion in General Motors(GM) to finance its bankruptcy reorganization – this after the U.S. government provided $20 billion in aid.
And GM is becoming the new GM – without Hummer, Saturn, Saab and many more operations…
So mission accomplished. Right? Wrong!
GM’s boat is once again taking water, writes Louis Woodhill at Forbes.
The US still owns 26% of the company and would need about $53 a share to break even, a far cry from the current price of $20. That adds up to a current “unrealized loss of $16.4 billion,” writes Woodhill.
“GM is unlikely to hit the wall before the election, but, given current trends, the company could easily do so again before the end of a second Obama term.”
Woodhill goes on to note that the government’s (read: taxpayers’) GM stock is worth about 39% less than it was on November 17, 2010, when the company went public—49% less relative to the Dow Jones Industrial Average, which has risen by almost 20% during the intervening period.
The main problem here is that GM is unable to compete – to create competitive vehicles. In 1960, General Motors averaged a 48.3% share of the U.S. car and truck market. For the first 7 months of 2012, their market share was 18.0%, down from 20.0% for the same period in 2011.
Also the company is having big big problems in Europe, where Opel is still losing money very fast. And I’m talking about huge loses. From April through June GM lost $361 million in Europe.
Opel produces an excess capacity of 500,000 vehicles a year, according to a mid-May report by Reuters. Excess European capacity is particularly damaging in the current economic climate where European demand and consumer confidence are depressed by the never-ending debt crisis.
Now – where is the hope?
The hope comes from the “D-Segment” cars, which are mid-sized, mid-priced, family sedans.
The D segment—mid-size, to those of you who aren’t automotive product planners—is the car world’s golden heifer. In annual sales terms, this is among the largest classes of vehicles in the United States. “A” grades in the D class are essential for any brand aspiring to sales dominance.
The hope comes from the new Chevy Malibu – GM’s D-Segment vehicle. And GM is in the process of introducing a totally redesigned 2013 Chevy Malibu.
Oh yes – the new Malibu – oh yes, but it must compete for sales with cars such as the Ford Fusion, Honda Accord, Hyundai Sonata, Nissan Altima, Toyota Camry and the Volkswagen Passat.
Yes and according to Forbes columnist Louis Woodhill, the new Malibu is not only inferior to its competitors, it’s not even as good as the 2012 Malibu.
Also, James Healey from USA Today is asking himself: Great Chevy. Good-enough midsize sedan?
“Uh-oh,” writes Woodhill.
If Obama wins again, he better start figuring out how to justify a second bailout of the company and its UAW workers.
25thTA is offline  
Old 08-18-2012, 12:34 PM
  #2  
Registered User
 
Silverado C-10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Greenville, SC
Posts: 1,897
Re: The Bad News Starts All Over Again

Well, if you have the largest market share in the US, I guess that means you can't compete?
Silverado C-10 is offline  
Old 08-19-2012, 07:49 PM
  #3  
Admin Emeritus
 
JasonD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1997
Location: Nashville, TN area
Posts: 11,157
Re: The Bad News Starts All Over Again

Is the sky falling again?
JasonD is offline  
Old 08-19-2012, 08:07 PM
  #4  
Registered User
 
ImportedRoomate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Jupiter, FL
Posts: 1,647
Re: The Bad News Starts All Over Again

Bob Lutz says no.
Chicken Little's Second GM Bankruptcy: The Gold Medal For Silly Op-Ed Pieces - Forbes
ImportedRoomate is offline  
Old 08-19-2012, 08:31 PM
  #5  
Admin Emeritus
 
JasonD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1997
Location: Nashville, TN area
Posts: 11,157
Re: The Bad News Starts All Over Again

That was rhetorical, but definitely thanks for that link. Lutz is a man among men.
JasonD is offline  
Old 08-19-2012, 09:02 PM
  #6  
Registered User
 
graham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: northeast Miss.
Posts: 2,887
Re: The Bad News Starts All Over Again

With all of the coin dropped for the shovel ready jobs that weren't so shovel ready this cat is going to climb on a soap box for 16 billion?

Hell, how much would the unemployment benefits, that seem to never end, cost taxpayers for about 50K workers?
graham is offline  
Old 08-19-2012, 09:05 PM
  #7  
Registered User
 
bossco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SeVa
Posts: 2,977
Re: The Bad News Starts All Over Again

Oh yeah stoopid forbes story - I'm sure its there to whip the anti-bailout crowd into a frothing frenzy just in time for elections. For some reason I get Forbes (never subscribed) so I usually peruse it in the library to pass time. This last issue had an op-ed in there equating the retention of factory jobs in the US as a form of racism.

Last edited by bossco; 08-19-2012 at 09:07 PM.
bossco is offline  
Old 08-19-2012, 09:07 PM
  #8  
Registered User
 
King Moose SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 1,071
Re: The Bad News Starts All Over Again

I mean... it was a poorly written article anyways.
King Moose SS is offline  
Old 08-19-2012, 09:13 PM
  #9  
Registered User
 
ImportedRoomate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Jupiter, FL
Posts: 1,647
Re: The Bad News Starts All Over Again

Another good rebuttal:
Leadership, Not Another Bailout, Will Fix GM (And No, It Is Not Going Bankrupt) - Forbes
ImportedRoomate is offline  
Old 08-20-2012, 09:45 AM
  #10  
Registered User
 
HAZ-Matt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: TX Med Ctr
Posts: 4,000
Re: The Bad News Starts All Over Again

Hmm.

I am not sure exactly why people keep pointing out that the stock is worth less now than at the initial offering. That is a pretty common occurrence. But if you must point that out, then it would seem logical that you should compare the projected government cost in the event of non-intervention to the current loss.
HAZ-Matt is offline  
Old 08-20-2012, 04:47 PM
  #11  
Registered User
 
SSCamaro99_3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Ballwin, MO
Posts: 1,182
Re: The Bad News Starts All Over Again

Basically this guy is a fool.

He extrapolated all of this off of one Motor Trend comparison (Malibu Eco), since it placed poorly, he assumed the company as a whole would fail. One data point, seriously? More J-school idiots.

This is like saying because Toyota/Nissan can't compete in large trucks, the entire company is doomed.
SSCamaro99_3 is offline  
Old 08-20-2012, 04:56 PM
  #12  
Registered User
 
HuJass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: CNY
Posts: 2,224
Re: The Bad News Starts All Over Again

Originally Posted by bossco
Oh yeah stoopid forbes story - I'm sure its there to whip the anti-bailout crowd into a frothing frenzy just in time for elections.
Thanks for saying this.
I wanted to post this but didn't want to start a political discussion or be seen as a conspiracy theorist.
HuJass is offline  
Old 08-20-2012, 04:57 PM
  #13  
Registered User
 
HAZ-Matt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: TX Med Ctr
Posts: 4,000
Re: The Bad News Starts All Over Again

If you want a headache, go read the comments on the Autoblog story about this.
HAZ-Matt is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
97Z28Muscle
Fuel and Ignition
2
02-06-2015 10:44 PM
Amshnock
Fuel and Ignition
14
01-18-2015 11:47 AM
AlaskaZ28
LT1 Based Engine Tech
9
01-01-2015 12:30 PM
ChrisFrez
CamaroZ28.Com Podcast
1
12-15-2014 03:09 PM
Noenav
General 1967-2002 F-Body Tech
14
12-06-2014 07:35 PM



Quick Reply: The Bad News Starts All Over Again



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:16 AM.