2011 Ford EcoBoost F-150 puts out 365 horsepower, 420 lb-ft of torque
09-21-2010, 09:25 AM
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2011 Ford EcoBoost F-150 puts out 365 horsepower, 420 lb-ft of torque
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http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/21/2...of-t/#comments
It looks like they with diesel type numbers instead of the high hp route.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/21/2...of-t/#comments
It looks like they with diesel type numbers instead of the high hp route.
09-21-2010, 11:16 AM
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09-21-2010, 01:46 PM
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90% of torque available from 1700rpm to over 5000rpm............... and all on regular.
That is the sell, with this engine. Diesel like performance and economy, without the diesel initial premium and maintenance costs.
Imagine what it can do on premium.
That is the sell, with this engine. Diesel like performance and economy, without the diesel initial premium and maintenance costs.
Imagine what it can do on premium.
09-21-2010, 03:27 PM
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I guess that Ford is also certifying the engine on premium. Those numbers should be interesting.
The pricing should help with some of the fears on the cost of this engine. A $750 upgrade, over the 5.0 is pretty reasonable.
The pricing should help with some of the fears on the cost of this engine. A $750 upgrade, over the 5.0 is pretty reasonable.
09-21-2010, 08:23 PM
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I am still skeptical about towing with a boosted motor. If that thing is in boost while towing, it will get way worse mileage than a V8. With that being said, it would be a pretty awesome daily driver that gets limited truck type usage and towing (which is how most people including me uses their pickup).
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09-22-2010, 10:39 AM
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http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/09...e-pricing.html
Ford released this information yesterday coinciding with the debut at the Texas State Fair this Friday. PUTC and some of it's forum members meet with Ford at an exclusive preview, meet, and dinner last night.
Not sure the skepticism is warranted towing with a forced induction engine. Turbo diesels have a good reliability in this exact state of use.
The EB power curve is similar to a turbo diesel, lots of torque down low, falling off in the upper RPM range.
The volumetric efficiency (VE) is better on a forced induction application, therefore things point to it actually being more fuel efficient than an equivalent V8.
Simplistically Brake Specific Fuel Consumption (BSFC) states if if there's a requirement to support X amount of HP, X amount of fuel will be needed. Increasing VE with forced induction will only go to enable more efficient use, less fuel. That doesn't go without saying, that if the FI application is now 500HP and the owner is using that power level fuel use will be more when compared to the 365HP like application, all other things equal.
Ford released this information yesterday coinciding with the debut at the Texas State Fair this Friday. PUTC and some of it's forum members meet with Ford at an exclusive preview, meet, and dinner last night.
Not sure the skepticism is warranted towing with a forced induction engine. Turbo diesels have a good reliability in this exact state of use.
The EB power curve is similar to a turbo diesel, lots of torque down low, falling off in the upper RPM range.
The volumetric efficiency (VE) is better on a forced induction application, therefore things point to it actually being more fuel efficient than an equivalent V8.
Simplistically Brake Specific Fuel Consumption (BSFC) states if if there's a requirement to support X amount of HP, X amount of fuel will be needed. Increasing VE with forced induction will only go to enable more efficient use, less fuel. That doesn't go without saying, that if the FI application is now 500HP and the owner is using that power level fuel use will be more when compared to the 365HP like application, all other things equal.
09-22-2010, 12:03 PM
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http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/09...e-pricing.html
Ford released this information yesterday coinciding with the debut at the Texas State Fair this Friday. PUTC and some of it's forum members meet with Ford at an exclusive preview, meet, and dinner last night.
Not sure the skepticism is warranted towing with a forced induction engine. Turbo diesels have a good reliability in this exact state of use.
The EB power curve is similar to a turbo diesel, lots of torque down low, falling off in the upper RPM range.
The volumetric efficiency (VE) is better on a forced induction application, therefore things point to it actually being more fuel efficient than an equivalent V8.
Simplistically Brake Specific Fuel Consumption (BSFC) states if if there's a requirement to support X amount of HP, X amount of fuel will be needed. Increasing VE with forced induction will only go to enable more efficient use, less fuel. That doesn't go without saying, that if the FI application is now 500HP and the owner is using that power level fuel use will be more when compared to the 365HP like application, all other things equal.
Ford released this information yesterday coinciding with the debut at the Texas State Fair this Friday. PUTC and some of it's forum members meet with Ford at an exclusive preview, meet, and dinner last night.
Not sure the skepticism is warranted towing with a forced induction engine. Turbo diesels have a good reliability in this exact state of use.
The EB power curve is similar to a turbo diesel, lots of torque down low, falling off in the upper RPM range.
The volumetric efficiency (VE) is better on a forced induction application, therefore things point to it actually being more fuel efficient than an equivalent V8.
Simplistically Brake Specific Fuel Consumption (BSFC) states if if there's a requirement to support X amount of HP, X amount of fuel will be needed. Increasing VE with forced induction will only go to enable more efficient use, less fuel. That doesn't go without saying, that if the FI application is now 500HP and the owner is using that power level fuel use will be more when compared to the 365HP like application, all other things equal.
As far as economy, I have done a bit of tuning in my day, and every car I have ever seen, including OEM, runs boosted cars richer when they are under boost - I am assuming to help cool the charge. I looked at the stock tune on a 2004 GTP, and they actually added fuel as a function of time - like enriching it 0.1 per second when under boost. So with a factory tune, that car was running in the mid 10:1 range in the 1/4 mile. I don't know how much oil squirters will help with that on the Ford, but I can't imagine they don't run richer under boost.
I am not saying it isn't going to be reliable, but it might not be the best choice for frequent towing.
-Geoff
09-22-2010, 03:53 PM
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Intersting on the pricing, although even in the link there seems to be some confusion about exactly what the delta's are from. Regardless of what the delta is from, though, the ecoboost looks like a hell of a deal.
As far as economy, I have done a bit of tuning in my day, and every car I have ever seen, including OEM, runs boosted cars richer when they are under boost - I am assuming to help cool the charge. I looked at the stock tune on a 2004 GTP, and they actually added fuel as a function of time - like enriching it 0.1 per second when under boost. So with a factory tune, that car was running in the mid 10:1 range in the 1/4 mile. I don't know how much oil squirters will help with that on the Ford, but I can't imagine they don't run richer under boost.
I am not saying it isn't going to be reliable, but it might not be the best choice for frequent towing.
-Geoff
As far as economy, I have done a bit of tuning in my day, and every car I have ever seen, including OEM, runs boosted cars richer when they are under boost - I am assuming to help cool the charge. I looked at the stock tune on a 2004 GTP, and they actually added fuel as a function of time - like enriching it 0.1 per second when under boost. So with a factory tune, that car was running in the mid 10:1 range in the 1/4 mile. I don't know how much oil squirters will help with that on the Ford, but I can't imagine they don't run richer under boost.
I am not saying it isn't going to be reliable, but it might not be the best choice for frequent towing.
-Geoff
09-23-2010, 11:56 AM
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Ford is really trying to go out of their way to prove the durability of the ecoboost v6:
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/09...s-durable.html
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/09...s-durable.html
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09-23-2010, 05:12 PM
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On the diesel front, everything has been turbo for over a decade.