Arlington Motorsports (AMS) is stealing $3100 from me
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Arlington Motorsports (AMS) is stealing $3100 from me
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...parts+for+sale
The original For Sale post is above. I contacted Keith and Elizabeth (husband and wife) about the 358 and the GTP heads. Via email and phone, Keith and I agreed on 3100 for the following:
358 cubic inch shortblock
.40 over Bore
Line Honed and Decked
J&E forged pistons
Total Seal Rings
Eagle Rods - 5.7
GM Steel Crank
Clevite Bearings
ARP Hardware throughout complete block
Splayed 4 bolt caps
GTP Stage III Heads with 2.02/1.60 valves
Canton Race Oil Pan
Block is O-ringed
Receiver Groove in Heads
Copper Head Gaskets
He also said he'd include a set of valve springs that would work for my application. Also, the solid roller cam and lifters were not included in the deal.
As it says in the link above, the heads and motor are to have a fresh rebuild.
I sent a check on the 17th of January. The check cleared from my account on the 29th of January.
January 22, 2003 -- I sent an email asking Keith and Elizabeth to send me an email when they received my check and when the motor shipped.
January 23, 2003 -- Elizabeth wrote "No problem. I will let you know when it goes out and there should be a way bill number also that I can give you.
Elizabeth"
After not hearing from them for a WEEK, I contacted them on January 30th -- I said "My check cleared. Just curious when my motor will arrive?
Jesse"
January 31st -- Elizabeth wrote "Hi Jesse,
We hold the checks for 7-10 days to make sure that they clear the bank with no problems. Your motor is scheduled to be picked up sometime either this afternoon or on Monday. It really just depends on the courier's route today
I will send you the PRO # on the crate once we get the paperwork filled out. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
Thanks,
Elizabeth"
February 1st through February 18th -- I called nearly everyday and left voice messages for either of them to call me. I really wanted them to send me the shipping information and I had ZERO luck. All of my voice messages were polite during that time and I had not even gotten stern with them.
February 18th, 2003 -- Keith wrote "Jesse,
AIT Freight Company is scheduled to pick the motor up tomorrow (2/19/03) I will forward you the paperwork info as soon as I get it. I can also fax you a copy of the freight bill if you would like. I have been in and out on a personal matter for a couple weeks and am sorry for the delay in shipping it out. I will send you the info as soon as I have it.
Thanks,
Keith"
I have called nearly everyday, trying to get some reassurance from them. Every time I call and try to talk to Keith, Elizabeth answers the phone. I say "is Keith there?" Then she'll say something like "yes, may I ask who's calling?" Then I normally get some sort of run-a-round. She'll tell me that Keith has stepped out of the office, or he's on the dyno, or he's getting parts because their other employee has left and Keith has to do his duties now.
Oddly enough, when I call without using *67 (that blocks the phone number from caller ID) I NEVER get an answer. And when I block the number, I sometimes get an answer.
None of this email is fictitious in any way. I have not exaggerated either. I called today at 11:45 am CST and got an answer. I told Elizabeth that this matter would be handled today or I will be calling a lawyer. She told me that she'd send the shipping information via fax very soon. I said "when should I call back? When should I get worried again?" She said "well I have to make a couple other phone calls and I'll walk over and fax it." I gave her my fax number and I still haven't heard from them. It is now 3:17 PM CST.
Mod's I would greatly appreciate it if you would either let me TTT this several times a day (I don't think I’ll have to. More than likely this thread will get a TON of reply’s) or I would like you to sticky this thread. I'm seriously at the end of my rope here and I don't know what to do.
Mod's and CZ28.com members: Please post this exactly WORD FOR WORD on every message board you visit. Say you are posting it for Jesse Boyer. When you do post this, please reply and say what board you posted it on. I need as much help as I can get.
Also, if any of you know Keith and Elizabeth's personal home phone numbers, I would greatly appreciate it if you'd give them to me. It appears to me that they have NO intention of sending the motor. They won't send the shipping information and that leads me to believe that I'm getting screwed.
A very worried and angry,
Jesse Boyer
The original For Sale post is above. I contacted Keith and Elizabeth (husband and wife) about the 358 and the GTP heads. Via email and phone, Keith and I agreed on 3100 for the following:
358 cubic inch shortblock
.40 over Bore
Line Honed and Decked
J&E forged pistons
Total Seal Rings
Eagle Rods - 5.7
GM Steel Crank
Clevite Bearings
ARP Hardware throughout complete block
Splayed 4 bolt caps
GTP Stage III Heads with 2.02/1.60 valves
Canton Race Oil Pan
Block is O-ringed
Receiver Groove in Heads
Copper Head Gaskets
He also said he'd include a set of valve springs that would work for my application. Also, the solid roller cam and lifters were not included in the deal.
As it says in the link above, the heads and motor are to have a fresh rebuild.
I sent a check on the 17th of January. The check cleared from my account on the 29th of January.
January 22, 2003 -- I sent an email asking Keith and Elizabeth to send me an email when they received my check and when the motor shipped.
January 23, 2003 -- Elizabeth wrote "No problem. I will let you know when it goes out and there should be a way bill number also that I can give you.
Elizabeth"
After not hearing from them for a WEEK, I contacted them on January 30th -- I said "My check cleared. Just curious when my motor will arrive?
Jesse"
January 31st -- Elizabeth wrote "Hi Jesse,
We hold the checks for 7-10 days to make sure that they clear the bank with no problems. Your motor is scheduled to be picked up sometime either this afternoon or on Monday. It really just depends on the courier's route today
I will send you the PRO # on the crate once we get the paperwork filled out. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask.Thanks,
Elizabeth"
February 1st through February 18th -- I called nearly everyday and left voice messages for either of them to call me. I really wanted them to send me the shipping information and I had ZERO luck. All of my voice messages were polite during that time and I had not even gotten stern with them.
February 18th, 2003 -- Keith wrote "Jesse,
AIT Freight Company is scheduled to pick the motor up tomorrow (2/19/03) I will forward you the paperwork info as soon as I get it. I can also fax you a copy of the freight bill if you would like. I have been in and out on a personal matter for a couple weeks and am sorry for the delay in shipping it out. I will send you the info as soon as I have it.
Thanks,
Keith"
I have called nearly everyday, trying to get some reassurance from them. Every time I call and try to talk to Keith, Elizabeth answers the phone. I say "is Keith there?" Then she'll say something like "yes, may I ask who's calling?" Then I normally get some sort of run-a-round. She'll tell me that Keith has stepped out of the office, or he's on the dyno, or he's getting parts because their other employee has left and Keith has to do his duties now.
Oddly enough, when I call without using *67 (that blocks the phone number from caller ID) I NEVER get an answer. And when I block the number, I sometimes get an answer.
None of this email is fictitious in any way. I have not exaggerated either. I called today at 11:45 am CST and got an answer. I told Elizabeth that this matter would be handled today or I will be calling a lawyer. She told me that she'd send the shipping information via fax very soon. I said "when should I call back? When should I get worried again?" She said "well I have to make a couple other phone calls and I'll walk over and fax it." I gave her my fax number and I still haven't heard from them. It is now 3:17 PM CST.
Mod's I would greatly appreciate it if you would either let me TTT this several times a day (I don't think I’ll have to. More than likely this thread will get a TON of reply’s) or I would like you to sticky this thread. I'm seriously at the end of my rope here and I don't know what to do.
Mod's and CZ28.com members: Please post this exactly WORD FOR WORD on every message board you visit. Say you are posting it for Jesse Boyer. When you do post this, please reply and say what board you posted it on. I need as much help as I can get.
Also, if any of you know Keith and Elizabeth's personal home phone numbers, I would greatly appreciate it if you'd give them to me. It appears to me that they have NO intention of sending the motor. They won't send the shipping information and that leads me to believe that I'm getting screwed.
A very worried and angry,
Jesse Boyer
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Posts: 101
From: Gilbert, AZ
sorry to hear that, that sucks big time.
i hope everything works out for you.
see if you can get their last names and do a search on www.numberfinder.com for their home phone number.
don't give up, be persistant. call them at the time.
i have been able to track some people down using that website.
it really makes me mad that be are people that are so dishonest.
i hope everything works out for you.
see if you can get their last names and do a search on www.numberfinder.com for their home phone number.
don't give up, be persistant. call them at the time.
i have been able to track some people down using that website.
it really makes me mad that be are people that are so dishonest.
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From: Huntsville, AL
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From: Bellingham, WA, USA
Just to verify that Jesse is straight up I have myself contacted AMS and got the same run around and failed return of phone calls. Keith and Elizebeth should get Jesse His motor or HIS money. Plain and simple.
I am the one who gave a good word for AMS. This is the last time that will ever happen.
Steven
I am the one who gave a good word for AMS. This is the last time that will ever happen.
Steven
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Joined: Dec 1969
Posts: 3,499
From: PORTLAND, OR, MULTNOMAH
I sympathize with you, but Shi## happens. You will probably get your motor soon.
I hope you get what you paid for.
I've seen lousy customer service from even reputable companies at one time or another.
Just hang in there, it will probablly be there tomorrow.
I hope you get what you paid for.
I've seen lousy customer service from even reputable companies at one time or another.
Just hang in there, it will probablly be there tomorrow.
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Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,456
From: sarasota, fl
plane tickets are very cheap lately.
nothing gets people moving like a surprise visit.
goodluck on getting your refund/engine.
personally, i would rather get my money back, because after all this, i certainly wouldnt trust any engine of theirs to be worth the money.
nothing gets people moving like a surprise visit.
goodluck on getting your refund/engine.
personally, i would rather get my money back, because after all this, i certainly wouldnt trust any engine of theirs to be worth the money.
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Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 287
From: jacksonville, fl usa
call the local police, fax them proof that your check cleared the bank, the emails these people sent you and the for sale thread from the board. give the police these people's names, business address and phone number, then call the nice people with the police report number. that should get things started in the right direction.