good brand of sfc

well, my motor's done, now i need to worry about suspension.

monique has an stb, eibac springs (1.5), she needs to know what else she needs to stay on the road better...to change lanes at high speeds without much recourse.

since i love her so much, i was considering getting her Double Diamond sfc's, because they connect to the tranny as well, but i'm being told that they arent much better than the edelbroc sfcs.

please advise. and look at my profile to see what monique already has.


thanks a lot
--shokor--

I have tubular SFCs from BMR, have nothing to really compare them too, but when I had them I only had an STB and it really made a difference, you dont know the flex you have until you have subframes.

Here is another recent thread
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84671

If you already have tubular, I'd probably leave them alone and look at something else perhaps upgrade wise...

yeah, they're tubular. how about a panhard? is my stock one alright? as far as the link you gave me, the global west 905's was being promoted. one thing though: does the fact that the DD's connect to the tranny as well help any? i mean, since the most sfcs are two-point connectors. the DD's are 3 point-connectors.

Solid rod ended panhard would be nice.

Originally posted by Dr.Mudge
Solid rod ended panhard would be nice.


any good specific brand?

thnx

I have the triangular SLP SFCs on my car. I haven't had them long, but they are "boxed" steel, weigh 21 lbs each, and hook to the front subframe (duh), the driveshaft loop, and the LCA. They look very strong. I'll let you know more as I go along, but they sure seem more substantial than many other brands.

I just went for the DMS Tubular
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=89436
Later>>>>>>

Double Diamonds certainly help tie everything together better, but that doesn't make them best.

If you're drag racing, the extra weight over a 2 point tubular may not be worth it.

If you're building an SCCA eligible autocross car, you can't have the crossbracing of double diamonds.

If you want to have a road racer, then I think you can more easily justify double diamonds.

Would anyone disagree?

Weight kills a road raced car even more than drag, drag racers can make up for it with horsepower, you can't do that on a road car (because tires/brakes/handling issues).

I'm happy with tubular, and they are supprisingly light (BMR). Is there a difference and how much? I dont know.

i just want something really good.
if the weight can be justified by the increase in handling, then they're worth it to me. besides, what's 40 lbs when i've already got a 100lb sub in the back. :D

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I have boxed BMR's.. they do hang slightly down by less than an inch more.. One thing I like about them is I can use it to jack up on.. Lift in the middle and the whole side of the car goes up as one. Or lift on a corner and the three other wheels act accordigly..


If someone was going to build a roadracer, probably would just skip the sfc's and just install a cage....

I'd go for both cage and subs if "serious," I was close to getting boxed subframes, almost dont know why I didn't other than the claim of losing ground clearance. I scrape the exaust, dont know that subframes would be that close to the ground on the speed bumps in my area. Once in awhile on road trips though you will come across areas with strange and huge speed bumps.

Most folks I know use the Kenny Brown (double diamond) or Global West. I have both, the Global West on my race car (3rd gen) and the KBs on my 4th gen. both are very sturdy. I think road race folks lean towards the GW, they can be jacked up on just about any point, not so much with the KBs.
The GWs are .125 roll bar tubing if I remember right.

i'm not concerned about jackin the car up at every point...as long as it can be jacked up without a big hassle.
as far as the suggestion for the cage, that's gonna happen for a whiiiiiiiile. i appreciate everyone giving me their opinions; for a while, i was suffering from car-junky's block. :)

--shokor--

Since you already have sub frame conn., I don't think it would be worth it to get the KBDDs. As for better handling, sway bars would help there and maybe a torque arm to help get the power down.

If someone was going to build a roadracer, probably would just skip the sfc's and just install a

Actually the hot f-bod race set up is both welded cage and SFCs. I have a welded cage and just got SFCs for this season, makes a HUGE difference in the way the car feels.

Yep, some cage setups come through the floor to weld onto the subframes, since that is the idea behind putting a cage in a solid framed car.

I love my KB DD. They definitely changed teh convertible. :) coupe guys may not notice as much, but a convertible can benifit from ANYTHING you can do to stiffen it up.

After welding in an 8-point roll bar in a teammate's car (it's an 1LE Z28) he mentioned that the the extra weight out back, and the stiffness of the car really changed the car... more so than his SLP DD SFC's did... of course his cage is tied into the SFC's so it's a bit of beast anyway. :)

a 6-point with swingouts is in my goals, just to get NHRA legal for 13's/12's and make it possible to attend some driving schools and lapping days locally. :)

hmm, i hope you've invested in some nice brakes.

my KD DD sfc's arrived today, but i'm having trouble with my bran-spankin-rebuilt tranny...we rebuilt the entire motor and when we put the tranny in (also put a shiftkit in it), it wouldnt pop into OD. so, i was doing 3000rpm @ 55mph...and that's just with 3.42's.
also, if i mashed the gas, the tranny would just slip outta gear and rev up to insane numbers...

needless to say, the guy who rebuilt the tranny is gonna have to fix it.

yeah, i know, i went on a tangent...i was worried about handling, now i'm just worried about getting the car to RUN!!! :mad:

a 6-point with swingouts is in my goals, just to get NHRA legal for 13's/12's and make it possible

Steve, get a NASA or SCCA rulebook and get a cage built to those specs. NHRA spec cages are not up to hot lapping/road racin' safety standards. I believe Autopower's are, however, you should check. You never know when you are going to end up on your roof, hot-lapping or getting groceries and why not be protected?

Originally posted by Lady in Nomex
Actually the hot f-bod race set up is both welded cage and SFCs. I have a welded cage and just got SFCs for this season, makes a HUGE difference in the way the car feels.

Wow, did not know that! are the f-bod's that flimsy? Or they just go that fast? ;)

Yep, they are that flimsy! :D Some are fast too.;)

The only thing in the middle of the car is the trans tunnel and floorboards, not exactly a stiff car, especially when so heavy!

The original Flexy Flyer,I had a older gent call mine once

lol... some of my buddies would brag about how much their Jeep's off-road suspensions could articulate. Then I explained how jacking up one corner of the convertible for a tire change did NOT even tilt the rear spoiler sideways. They couldn't believe it.

Saddest sight I had was taking a break from a brake job and looking at the front windshield articulated about 30 DEGREES from the nearly HORIZONTAL trunk lid. I didn't belive it till I saw it. Do NOT jack up a car with the top down (not that the top's bows would do much to help, but do what you can I suppose).

KBDD SFC's changed that situation substancially.

:D

"Do NOT jack up a car with the top down (not that the top's bows would do much to help, but do what you can I suppose)."

C'mon. Do you actually believe this would make _any_ difference at all?

A convertible top will not collapse in a rollover, so it must have some kind of rigidity to it.

"A convertible top will not collapse in a rollover"

Where does this information come from? You can flex my top bows easily with your hand. It's inconceivable to me that it could support 3500 lbs. of car.

Because I've seen it.

Hi guys, nu guy here.

I bought LG Motorsports sfc's with the v-braces, any comments on those?

Was going to buy the RKSports dd's, I then figured that Lou Gigliotti knows Camaro's FAIRLY well, so his sfc's with the v-braces should work great...He used to race Camaro's in the Trans-AM series.

Any thoughts?

I believe he was racing Camaros in World Challenge, and a Corvette in Trans Am, which he quit due to ridiculous rules imposed to "make anything but a Panoz lose."

You are correct, I remember now.

Any thoughts with their products?

I too as a newbie thought to get LG products immediately, figuring he would know something about the f-body. I think he does, however, I found his products to be pricey compared to equivalent products on the market, and one of his sales folks totally messed up my Borla order. I got the box, noted it had the wrong part #, called them back and the gentleman assured me it would work better than the part recommended in the Borla catalog. I had it installed, and guess what, it DID NOT FIT, and I spend $ trying to get it to fit, this ended up being a failure. At that point I was working with Borla directly, and they exchanged it for a new system. Both the Borla guy and I could only shake our heads!

I'd look at specs more than a name, I dont own a single LG product mostly due to price.