Best Wax PERIOD! Found at the auto show.

taken from www.liquidlustre.com
" When asked, chemists and painters of the automotive trade stated that most car care products may contain some of the same ingredients in their formulas, they are not the same. For instance, did you know that you can over-seal paint ? Some products such as straight polymer systems ( commonly known as life-time sealers ) used by dealers and most auto detailers over-seal the paint finish, the result being that the paint is not allowed to breath. this can cause the breakdown and loss of elasticity of the paint film. This leads to cracking and reduction of the life of the finish.

NATURAL WAXES CONTAINING CARNAUBA BASE ARE THE BEST. CARNAUBA IS A HARD WAX PROCESSED FROM THE BRAZILIAN PALM. BY ITSELF, CARNAUBA WILL NOT LAST ON A SURFACE, BUT BLENDED WITH THE RIGHT INGREDIENTS, IT WILL PROTECT SAFELY AND IS LONG LASTING"

Does this mean polymers like Zaino actually hurt your paint? I just bought two 16oz bottles of this stuff at the chicago auto show for a total of $21. I have done so for like the last 4 years. It's amazing, I love it. I think its initial shine is really better than the one I got with Zaino. I'd reccomend giving it a try! You wont regret it trust me. Non-Abrasive also BTW. Claims to last 6months. For $12 per 16oz WHY NOT!

Good for you! You bought into the BS again! You MUST be very easy to fool. All this paint breathing is straight crap usied by carnauba makes so they can FOOL you into buying their products. This is nothing new, but an educated detailers knows better. I'm not gonna spend my time explaining it to you, but it's pure marketing BS, just like Zymol. Doesn't take much to impress you huh? And, no, Zaino will NEVER hurt, harm, or damage your paint. If that's the best sales pitch they can do, they're pathetic.

LL is a gimmick product. Look at their website and the "torture tests." The acid test? Fire test? Spray paint test? Just like the TV ads? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA Those tests are complete JOKES to fool someone who knows nothing about waxes, such as yourself, into buyng these products. These tests prove nothing, mean nothing, are are pure gimmicks. So, you trust these people huh? Good for you! Smart boy! This is FAR from the "best wax." Just another gimmick and joke product, but you're good at using these, and claiming they're the best on the planet. Funny out of almost 100 posts, you haven't posted a truthful, honest, or non-flaming thing yet. This must be some sort of record! Every post has been pure BS! LMFAO. You're on a roll looking like an idiot, so why stop huh?

Other demonstrations showed the viewer how LIQUID LUSTRE instantly dissolves tar, bird droppings, bug marks, road film and grease

If it's truly non-abrasive, how does it accomplish this? Sounds like it's full of strong solvents to me. Better yet, sounds like they're full of crap on just about everyting, just like yourself. Hey, you guys have a LOT in common! You're perfect for each other!

:barf:

Mike they did these tests at the auto show. I've been buying this stuff for years, and that is why I was skeptical about Zaino (i didnt think there was anything better out there). They sprayed white spary paint on a red hoos and let it dry..... then asked someone to try and get it off with water and windex. When they tried and failed they used the liquid lustre and it took it right off. I saw it with my own two eyes. And it left a shine supperior to anything ive ever seen. Good gimmic huh?

You saw it with your own eyes, but can't put 2 and 2 together huh? They've fooled you into thinking it's nonabrasive, but how do you think that product removed paint? Ill give you a hint....it's wasn't with carnauba wax. And, further, if it WILL remove paint, would you want to use it on your car??!! My answer is.....HELL NO.


Again, they rely on these gimmick tests to sell their products to people who don't know the diference. For those of us that do, we watch, laugh, and keep right on moving. Products like this are the equivalent to your modern day "snake oil" side shows that caravan from town to town, hawking a product that must cure everyting and works wonders on anything. Honestly, I don't care if you use it or not. It's the marketing BS that makes me laugh and look right over it.
:)

Originally posted by Topless01WS6
Mike they did these tests at the auto show. I've been buying this stuff for years, and that is why I was skeptical about Zaino (i didnt think there was anything better out there). They sprayed white spary paint on a red hoos and let it dry..... then asked someone to try and get it off with water and windex. When they tried and failed they used the liquid lustre and it took it right off. I saw it with my own two eyes. And it left a shine supperior to anything ive ever seen. Good gimmic huh?

DAMN MAN, I NEED TO SELL YOU SOME SWAMP LAND. WHY DO YOU THINK THE LL TOOK THE PAINT OFF, BECAUSE ITS MAGIC? THE REASON IT TOOK THE DRIED PAINT OFF IS BECAUSE LL IS LOADED WITH POWERFUL SOLVENTS (MOST USE NAPATHA) CLEANERS, AND FINE ABRASIVES. THINK ABOUT IT, YOUR PAINT ON THE CAR YOU ARE TRYING TO PROTECT IS!!! DRIED PAINT, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU WANT TO USE A PRODUCT LIKE LL OVER AND OVER THAT IS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO REMOVE DRIED PAINT.

GEESH, DO WE HAVE TO HIT YOU OVER THE HEAD FOR YOU TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

I thought Topless was a Zymol fan??? He has already shown in other BS posts he never actually ever used Zaino. His BS is different in every post. No wonder no one takes him seriously.

Originally posted by Kevin V 2002 SS
I thought Topless was a Zymol fan??? He has already shown in other BS posts he never actually ever used Zaino. His BS is different in every post. No wonder no one takes him seriously.

LOL. Ya, he knew Zymol was the best 'evar!' , yet bought all the Zaino stuff and put it on, because he knew it sucked... now he has this new 'best stuff evar!'

:rolleyes:

This guy and his stories are so stupid it's actually quite funny.

Originally posted by KevinSS
DAMN MAN, I NEED TO SELL YOU SOME SWAMP LAND. WHY DO YOU THINK THE LL TOOK THE PAINT OFF, BECAUSE ITS MAGIC? THE REASON IT TOOK THE DRIED PAINT OFF IS BECAUSE LL IS LOADED WITH POWERFUL SOLVENTS (MOST USE NAPATHA) CLEANERS, AND FINE ABRASIVES. THINK ABOUT IT, YOUR PAINT ON THE CAR YOU ARE TRYING TO PROTECT IS!!! DRIED PAINT, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU WANT TO USE A PRODUCT LIKE LL OVER AND OVER THAT IS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO REMOVE DRIED PAINT.

GEESH, DO WE HAVE TO HIT YOU OVER THE HEAD FOR YOU TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

I probalby used 6 full bottles of it on my old camaro and I didnt have any problems. I honestly think it works well.

But, actually, the fact that it takes off spray paint and tons of other stuff doesnt settle well with me come to think of it.

Paint does need to breathe....but only for roughly 90 days after the spray.

I used Liquid Lustre for a long time. It would be ok if your car sat inside all the time I guess. The water beading went away after about one rainshower. I got tired of waxing so much with it. It gave a pretty good shine, but I moved on to better things.

It did smell awesome.

MikeLS and Kevin V. are 100% correct. I got the same "your paint needs to breath" b______t from a Zymol phone rep one day back.....

That Zymol rep even had the nerve to tell me "you need to message your clear coat weekly and our Concourse is excellent for hand paint messages".

He also said all the big-time actors buy our high grade wax.

He even said Zaino is bad for your paint!!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Right on Ray! :bow: You see, people like you and I and the many other detailers who know truth from BS, are the biggest threat to companies like Zymol who throw meaningless marketing lines at unsuspecting customers, thinking they will believe anything they are told. Well, not all of us are like sheep and believe or follow everything that is thrown at us. Using your mind and what you know to be fact will always keep you on the straight and narrow. Keep a keen ear when you hear things from these types of companies, and keep in mind that they are just trying their best to sell you stuff, even if it means pouring out BS marketing to do so. Good job sorting the wrong from the right, shows a sign of one that can think for himself and sort through all the garbage out there! :bow:


BTW, the ONLY time paint needs to "breathe" is immediately after painting, so it can fully dry and cure. It is in this period that waxing should not be done. After paint is fully set up, it no longer "breathes," that's just more marketing crap that several carnauba companies try to get people to believe. In fact, Zaino can be applied as early as 1 to 2 weeks after painting because it is flexible and can expand and contract with the paint surface, whereas it is recommended by most major carnauba makers that you wait at least 30 to 60 days before using a true carnauba wax, because it's actually carnauba that doesn't allow the paint to breathe after a fresh painting. Isn't that ironic? You can use Zaino almost immediately after painting, but not carnauba! So, which one is it that is or isn't allowing paint to "breathe." Carnauba does not expand and contract with the paint, but merely covers it and will not allow the solvents to properly dissipate after painting. This is why it's recomended waiting longer than 30 days before using a true wax. Ironic huh? But, the carnauba makers never tell you this.....wonder why?

:)

That is funny when people that sell carnauba wax tells you your paint has to breath, carnauba wax does not let that happen, Zaino and many synthetic products are flexible enough like Mike said to let your paint breath of newly painted cars, factory painted cars are fully hardened within 3 days of being painted and do not need any cure time.

There was a guy here at the last car show doing the Spray Paint thing where they tried to get people to wipe it off using.... WATER!

I was pissed that I didn't bring a bottle of glaze and a rag. I would have yelled out, "That is an oil based paint. Water can remove it; you need something with a solvent." I would have walked up with the glaze and easily removed it.

Instead I had to resort to something else. Right after he made a comment that, "One use of something like a polish or Claybar and your paint is gone." I yelled out, "This guy if a freaking idiot!" They all looked at me including him as I walked away :D

He was selling IBIZ products.

Wish he did the fire test... they would have seen how my hand is fire proof.

So, from now on EVERYONE!!!! carry a rag and a bottle of mineral spirits or some product with solvents in it to every car show you go to so you can handle these people!

MikeLS, a product can be non-abrasive and still be full of solvents. Two different things.

I will have to say Adam's Polishes advertises one of their products, think it is Revive, as a Non-Abrasive paint cleaner. When I talked to them they have aluminum oxide abrasives in it... Their excuse... the abrasives are too fine to count...

Also, I still prefer the look of carnauba over the look of Zaino :)

Originally posted by Bigsnake

MikeLS, a product can be non-abrasive and still be full of solvents. Two different things.


That's true because most carnauba paste waxes are roughly 60-70% solvent, maybe more, but there are some solvents I'd certainly consider as abrasive, and some of them are used in cleaner type waxes. Not all abrasives are the physical grit type, like alum oxide. Many of these types of solvents can take away paint just like the grit type (alum oxide). Sorry for the generalization, obviously not all solvents are equal, but still some I would never use on my finishes that make their way into cleaner waxes.

:)

Originally posted by Bigsnake
There was a guy here at the last car show doing the Spray Paint thing where they tried to get people to wipe it off using.... WATER!

I was pissed that I didn't bring a bottle of glaze and a rag. I would have yelled out, "That is an oil based paint. Water can remove it; you need something with a solvent." I would have walked up with the glaze and easily removed it.


WOW! He hit the nail on the head. That makes so much sence it isnt even funny. Yep..... water.....yep probably oil based..... yep came right off with the solvent!

Originally posted by Topless01WS6
WOW! He hit the nail on the head. That makes so much sence it isnt even funny. Yep..... water.....yep probably oil based..... yep came right off with the solvent!

Obviously he typed "can" by accident by leaving off the " 't " in can't...

Man, you are slow. :rolleyes:

I like Zaino but I do hear a lot of good things about S100 wax. I've never tried it and has anyone here? I know Zaino holds up longer outside(in the elements) but for the garage queen toy I guess the S100 is worth a try?

Over on Autopia many guys rave about S100 and strangely, they don't talk to much about Zaino.......

They say S100 gives a "warm look". I heard goes on easy, comes off easy and doesn't leave white residue and the Carnauba contents are good and natural with minimal "petroleum" unlike the Meg's Yellow #26 (high petroleum).

I've got a couple jars of the S100 wax and a bottle of the gloss enhancing cleaner. The first jar was identical to P21S wax, in fact they were probably the same wax. But, S100 just went through a change in formula, and is now a little different from P21S. The new S100 is much more yellow in color whereas the original S100 and current P21S is an off-white kinda color. I don't think the change made a huge difference in quality of the S100 wax, because it still seems as good as the older/original version, just yellower, which could possibly cause some yellowing on the finish.

As far as the quality of S100....it's a great wax, no doubt, as it should be being that it's still very close to P21S Concours wax. Like P21S, the S100 is loaded with oils that create a wet-look appearance and shine. Very easy to use, great shine, but the downside is somewhat below average durability/protection. I like to think of this wax (like many carnauba waxes) as merely makeup for the car. It makes it look nice, but the protection is limited. I'd recommend the wax if you want something new to play around with, just keep in mind I "wouldn't" recommend relying on this wax alone for protetion from the elements. I just don't think it has enough protective qualities to merit using it by itself. After all, the S100 is removed by some car wash soaps, much less a harsh solution like DAWN. So, I think if you approach these kinds of waxes with the mindset that it's not mainly for protection, you'll be OK. I've heard some sellers of P21S claim that it's a "little" more durable than the expensive varieties of Zymol. Keep that in mind and know what you're buying and it's all good. Bottom line is that the S100 is super easy to use, and gives a great shine with little effort.

About why Zaino isn't talked about much at autopia, well, there are a few Zaino haters there so I'm not surprised. :rolleyes: Back when I was a member there, it was talked about quite a bit and was a favorite product, so maybe it's just been beaten to death. Who knows.....who cares.

P21S and S100 are great products, I would probably be using P21S if there was no Zaino, but we know that's not going to happen, the only thing I did not like about P21S is that is attracts a lot of dust and dirt due to the high oil content, but it shines real good.

Ray, you do not hear much talk about Zaino on Autopia because the board is owned by the people that make Blackfire and some other waxes, back in the day all that you heard on Autopia was Zaino and Klasse, and some of the people on Autopia believe that topping a synthetic with carnauba looks better, I have yet to find any truth in that. Autopia used to have many pro detailers on the site, most of them are gone now. :(

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

You guys know your stuff!

Originally posted by hcvone
P21S and S100 are great products, I would probably be using P21S if there was no Zaino, but we know that's not going to happen, the only thing I did not like about P21S is that is attracts a lot of dust and dirt due to the high oil content, but it shines real good.

Ray, you do not hear much talk about Zaino on Autopia because the board is owned by the people that make Blackfire and some other waxes, back in the day all that you heard on Autopia was Zaino and Klasse, and some of the people on Autopia believe that topping a synthetic with carnauba looks better, I have yet to find any truth in that. Autopia used to have many pro detailers on the site, most of them are gone now. :(


Autopia is a sponsorless forum to my knowledge. It has no product sponsorship at the present time. The reason that Zaino does not predominate the discussion is because many products are being used at Autopia. There is no hatred of any product or zealous following of any product. I for one use Zaino, Blackfire, P21S/S100, Souveran, Moose Wax, EX along with many other products. I love the variety of products discussed there. A wonderful learning experience.
One feature that Autopia does present is friendly discussion without extreme hype about a product's performance. Because everyone at Autopia does not prefer Zaino and it's benefits of longevity does not mean we at Autopia do not appreciate its value as a detailing adjunct.:bow:

I have been an Autopia member from the beginning, I have a good number of customers on the site as well, there is no official sponsorship, but there sure is an unofficial sponsorship. ;)

Originally posted by hcvone
Ray, you do not hear much talk about Zaino on Autopia because the board is owned by the people that make Blackfire and some other waxes, back in the day all that you heard on Autopia was Zaino and Klasse, and some of the people on Autopia believe that topping a synthetic with carnauba looks better, I have yet to find any truth in that. Autopia used to have many pro detailers on the site, most of them are gone now. :(

Dude, you are an idiot.

I'm pretty sure you are talking about CMA who buys advertising space on autopia, or atleast the use to. I have never seen threads getting deleted on autopia because they talk about Zaino or about something not sold by CMA. You can post links to products from other companys, you can post bad experiences with CMA, you can recommend places to order products from that are cheaper than CMA, and no one cares! Mods don't sit there going, "Not sold by CMA, can't post or discuss. Must delete"

Maybe you should actually know something about a board before you post!

Mr. Bigsnake, your 100% wrong. I posted on Autopia two months ago about my experience with Sal Zaino and I also added my opinion about Barry Meguiare and his products. My post was deleted IMMEDIATELY!

The next day after inquiring about my missing post, a moderator said my post was hostile and the board as a whole had complained off-line about it........

There's more....

I started a thread about Zymol and a dude named "redcarguy" kept on hassling me about it was a useless thread. I told the dude to give it a rest and BAM..... my thread was locked.

Now you say I'm BS'ing you? Got to Autopia and do the search under my user name "Ray" or "Zymol" or "Zaino".

I have nothing more to say.:mad: :mad:

Originally posted by Ray66
Mr. Bigsnake, your 100% wrong. I posted on Autopia two months ago about my experience with Sal Zaino and I also added my opinion about Barry Meguiare and his products. My post was deleted IMMEDIATELY!

The next day after inquiring about my missing post, a moderator said my post was hostile and the board as a whole had complained off-line about it........

There's more....

I started a thread about Zymol and a dude named "redcarguy" kept on hassling me about it was a useless thread. I told the dude to give it a rest and BAM..... my thread was locked.

Now you say I'm BS'ing you? Got to Autopia and do the search under my user name "Ray" or "Zymol" or "Zaino".

I have nothing more to say.:mad: :mad:

How did you word your posts?

What did you say about "Sal Zaino" or "Berry Meguiar"?

If you go on there attacking someone or a product (besides posting bad experiences but saying something along the lines of, "this product is c@ap, etc."), trying to start a flame war, or sounding like an idiot, then your post will be deleted.

I'm pretty sure if I came on here yelling how Zaino sucked and how Sal Zaino could S my C, then my post would get deleted pretty quickly. It would happen on any board if you did something like that! But hey, then I could go around saying, "This board doesn't like to discuss zaino because they deleted my thread." Even though I know for a fact people here like Zaino, but hey! I could go around saying this board doesn't like to discuss zaino!

Originally posted by Ray66
Mr. Bigsnake, your 100% wrong. I posted on Autopia two months ago about my experience with Sal Zaino and I also added my opinion about Barry Meguiare and his products. My post was deleted IMMEDIATELY!

The next day after inquiring about my missing post, a moderator said my post was hostile and the board as a whole had complained off-line about it........

There's more....

I started a thread about Zymol and a dude named "redcarguy" kept on hassling me about it was a useless thread. I told the dude to give it a rest and BAM..... my thread was locked.

Now you say I'm BS'ing you? Got to Autopia and do the search under my user name "Ray" or "Zymol" or "Zaino".

I have nothing more to say.:mad: :mad:

I feel the same here except that if I badmouth Zaino my comments get deleted. Guess what..... there are unofficial sponsors all over, and Zaino is official and unofficial on this board. Zaino is unofficial on LS1.com, and i'm guessing Zaino isnt any kind of sponsor on the Autopia board. Looks like autopia is the place for me!

Originally posted by Ray66
Over on Autopia many guys rave about S100 and strangely, they don't talk to much about Zaino.......

They say S100 gives a "warm look". I heard goes on easy, comes off easy and doesn't leave white residue and the Carnauba contents are good and natural with minimal "petroleum" unlike the Meg's Yellow #26 (high petroleum).

Hey Darth, Mike, Carl, and Kevin..... you better believe I love this one.

Truth is if you wait along long enough the real TRUTH comes out. Looks like P21S/S100 is what I was looking for when I bought Zaino!

Originally posted by Topless01WS6
Hey Darth, Mike, Carl, and Kevin..... you better believe I love this one.

Truth is if you wait along long enough the real TRUTH comes out. Looks like P21S/S100 is what I was looking for when I bought Zaino!

I thought it was Zymol that rocked so great? :confused: No... wait... Liquid Lustre ... no wait... oh, I think you just like to babble about nothing :metal: rock on!

Originally posted by Bigsnake
Dude, you are an idiot.

I'm pretty sure you are talking about CMA who buys advertising space on autopia, or atleast the use to. I have never seen threads getting deleted on autopia because they talk about Zaino or about something not sold by CMA. You can post links to products from other companys, you can post bad experiences with CMA, you can recommend places to order products from that are cheaper than CMA, and no one cares! Mods don't sit there going, "Not sold by CMA, can't post or discuss. Must delete"

Maybe you should actually know something about a board before you post!


"Dude, you are an idiot"
Nice response, very classy. As I said I was one of the first ten people to be a member of Autopia, and I have seen many posts deleted for posting links to other products, and I am not talking about Zaino, I have not seen a Zaino thread deleted personally on Autopia.

Originally posted by Topless01WS6
Hey Darth, Mike, Carl, and Kevin..... you better believe I love this one.

Truth is if you wait along long enough the real TRUTH comes out. Looks like P21S/S100 is what I was looking for when I bought Zaino!


If you ever read any of my posts I have always said that I would use P21S if there was no more Zaino, P21S finished second to Zaino in "The Wax Test" , P21S gives a great shine due to the high oil content, but just like most carnauba products it does not last very long, but the product is very good.

Originally posted by Topless01WS6
I feel the same here except that if I badmouth Zaino my comments get deleted. Guess what..... there are unofficial sponsors all over, and Zaino is official and unofficial on this board. Zaino is unofficial on LS1.com, and i'm guessing Zaino isnt any kind of sponsor on the Autopia board. Looks like autopia is the place for me!


Zaino is an official sponser of this board and the LS1 board. :)

Originally posted by Topless01WS6
I feel the same here except that if I badmouth Zaino my comments get deleted. Guess what..... there are unofficial sponsors all over, and Zaino is official and unofficial on this board. Zaino is unofficial on LS1.com, and i'm guessing Zaino isnt any kind of sponsor on the Autopia board. Looks like autopia is the place for me!



Well, if you had ever used Zaino, we may believe you. But, your intent from the START was to ruffle feathers and cause trouble and that was clear. You began bashing Zaino, BEFORE YOU EVER CLAIMED YOU USED IT, and it hasn't stopped since. So, yes, they delete crap from people like you, because it has absolutely no factual value, regardless of who's the sponsor of what. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you BS everyone, your posts will probably get deleted. And further, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that after being BANNED TWICE already, you might want to refrain from your BS tactics. But, nope, you continue to dig the hole deeper. Did you ever happen to think that your posts were deleted for being an idiot?

Yeah, I'm sure autopia is for you. Go there and see if you can ruffle feathers like you try to do here. You wouldn't even be given the chance to accumulate 100 posts there they way you act. So, you think we're tough here?

What I found disconcerting about autopia was the fact people couldn't handle the truth very well over there. So you're expected to just cover up the truth to remain "positive." BS! That's just one of it's flaws.... In fact, there were several members that withheld their thoughts about certain products for fear of their "peers" thoughts about them on that forum so they remained in "good standing" with the majority. What kind of freedom is that where you can't speak the truth for fear of a backlash or not being "accepted"? Not the kind I want to be involved with! I'm more for the truth than "being accepted" by an internet forum. And, that just don't jive with some...their loss. So, let the games continue.

Originally posted by MikeLS

What I found disconcerting about autopia was the fact people couldn't handle the truth very well over there. So you're expected to just cover up the truth to remain "positive." BS! That's just one of it's flaws.... In fact, there were several members that withheld their thoughts about certain products for fear of their "peers" thoughts about them on that forum so they remained in "good standing" with the majority. What kind of freedom is that where you can't speak the truth for fear of a backlash or not being "accepted"? Not the kind I want to be involved with! I'm more for the truth than "being accepted" by an internet forum. And, that just don't jive with some...their loss. So, let the games continue.

:confused: Please expand on this statement. As you know Mike, I rarely hold my tongue and we have had many agreements and disagreements on different detailing subjects when it comes to detailing and product usage. I have never seen anyone ambushed for stating an opinion at Autopia unless it is phrased in a belligerent manner. Yes, we did lose Ron K ( big lose) because some people could not handle his straight forward knowledgeable writing style. Sad period at Autopia but no site is perfect. What I do not see at Autopia is a gang attack mentality when a product some considered the "BEST" is not accepted by everyone.
When I first used Zaino I did not understand the bickering and name calling that people mentioned about Zainomaniacs. I loved the stuff and understood its users zealous praise of the product line. Great stuff. As time went on I noticed this force feeding mania about Zaino which sort of turn me off. Not to the Zaino but the over-zealous prodding that was going on. Lately, this has not been going on here and Mike you are back to writing informed detailing info that I use to look forward to reading. Non-biased and illustrating the good and bad points of differing products. I believe you had gotten off track for a while but seem to be back on course.
One type of phrase you will not see at Autopia is: What is the best Wax? Or, Why is (Zaino)( Blackfire)(Klasse)(P21S)(Souveran)(Megiuar"s) the best? Or This is the Best.... ! Why? Because most Autopians realize that what may be best for one person's needs is not the best for another.


Yes, I agree if Topless01WS6 presents himself like he does here at CamaroZ28 he too will not be welcomed too long at Autopia. Bashing of a product is non-productive. Informed criticism is welcome when back with experience and fair evaluation ( a picture of a car driven in a snow storm over salted roads is not a fair example of any product's ability to resistance dirt (hint,hint)).
Enough said.

Originally posted by hcvone
"Dude, you are an idiot"
Nice response, very classy. As I said I was one of the first ten people to be a member of Autopia, and I have seen many posts deleted for posting links to other products, and I am not talking about Zaino, I have not seen a Zaino thread deleted personally on Autopia.

Autopia when it was originally founded and Autopia today are different. Originally Autopia was going to be an online store but it stopped selling products awhile ago and is now an enthusiast board. You were probably on there when the plans for an online store were still in order since you say you were one of the first 10 members.

Here is a thread about Zaino... guess it should be deleted soon then! : http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19414

Here are some threads w/ links to other webpages. Guess these will be deleted soon from autopia...
-Meguiar's Store in here: http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19398
-Two online stores posted in here: http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19409
-Talking about carcrazy.net here: http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19382

And those were just samples I could quickly pick out from some of the currently active threads.

I read these posts today, thank you. I was a member on the old site and then it was down for a while when they switched to the new Autopia.

I use Liquidluster to clean off polished aluminum after I polish it. The solvents are good at getting any polishing compound out of tiny pours in the alluminum.

ttt

The below was a PM sent to me after I posted my Zaino experience. From now on I have to be very careful how I speak about Zaino and what it does for my car. Comments?


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Your Zaino Thread...
Your Zaino thread received complaints from the members and was deleted. I didn't read the thread and I wasn't the one that deleted it, but from the complaints I'm reading from the members I would suggest that you do not retype it in the same way. It will surely be deleted if you are going to type another biased and negative review of a company like that. Negative reviews are fine, but when we start getting complaints from members who feel that it is more hateful and inflammatory then it will be deleted. I just thought you would want to know what happened to it.

Anthony

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1999 Acura Integra GSR Sedan
Never Underestimate a 4 Door!

Hard to say without seeing the original post. It is possible some folks read something in to it that you did not intend.

Originally posted by Ray66
The below was a PM sent to me after I posted my Zaino experience. From now on I have to be very careful how I speak about Zaino and what it does for my car. Comments?


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Jngrbrdman
Deputy Dawg

Registered: Jul 2001
Posts: 4500
Your Zaino Thread...
Your Zaino thread received complaints from the members and was deleted. I didn't read the thread and I wasn't the one that deleted it, but from the complaints I'm reading from the members I would suggest that you do not retype it in the same way. It will surely be deleted if you are going to type another biased and negative review of a company like that. Negative reviews are fine, but when we start getting complaints from members who feel that it is more hateful and inflammatory then it will be deleted. I just thought you would want to know what happened to it.

Anthony

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1999 Acura Integra GSR Sedan
Never Underestimate a 4 Door!

Did you even read the PM that was sent to you? There is nothing in there about being sensative to Zaino or anything. Like I said earlier, it was how you worded your post.

You can write a review about any product on autopia and make it, as the PM says, "hateful and inflammatory" and it will be deleted even if all the members on there hate the product and would love to make fun of it.