Eastern F-Bodt Assn... nice thread LOL

Thanks to Jason99TA for the link below. Sorry guys there is no N2O on my car & the track is a FULL 1/4 mile here. As for my gain from E-Town till now... TRACTION & weather. Take the time to read ALL my post and you'll get the story. Later this year I hope to make some East Coast events and I'll be happy to let you inspect my TA and line up with me. Sorry folks I have nothing to hide... no sneeky pete hiding in the Grassy Knoll, LOL. At least you guys do doubt my times/mods with class and not just trash talk.
Well gotta run I'm working 7 12's for the next two months... turnaround at the plant... internet time is history for a while.
Hope to meet up with you guys at a strip later this year.
Steve...
http://www.fbodycentral.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6026&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Amazing how many internet experts are out there. :)

Based on what I saw on the list you gave me, I don't doubt your times one bit. You're only a cheater because you run in LA in that negative elevation. ;)

LOL...thats too funny. Believe me guys..steve is honest about what was done to the car. I help in alot of it. At the mag. shootout he was spinning and DA was around +2xxx. We finally got the car to dead hook and Da was -18xx. Plus he freed up the exhaust(cutout..which wasn't legal for the shootout). Amazing what difference a spinning 1.66 60' compaired to a 1.55 dead hook will do to the et. Not to meantion the 3500-4000 DA difference in the air. Sounds like some people are making excuses for their own setup. Get awesome air on a dead hooking track and watch the times fall. I really love the one about the track clocks needing to be checked...lol. Believe me..NHRA is up to the task on that. I'm sure they checked it when the stock elem. cars set new records there.:cry:

We have alot of Devil's Advocate and food-for-thought being played and given over there. There are some doubters among the bunch, but for the most part, we're happy an LT1 got into the 11's with bolt-ons. That thread is mostly ideas being spouted off, just so we can settle them in our own minds. We're a bunch of people who are drag-race oriented, so we spend ALOT of time at different tracks, so pretty much everyone there isn't just bench racing. We've all had pleanty of experience, not just internet experience :) . No one's making excuses, just comparing what was done to what we know (our own times and tracks). We've read the posts (ALL of them ;) ) and know what the situations where. Just throwing out ideas :) .

Dave
EFA resident :cool:

Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:46 pm Post subject:

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INTIMID8R wrote:
Will keep most of my personal comments to myself (somewhat) other than to say (Quickshot and a few others know how I feel)...Why did it take till 2003 for someone to get 11's with a stock LT1 motor other than rr's (I know why, I think) and we have some LT1's with cams and nitrous doing only a few tenths better...some are comparing his times at Englishtown, but you need to consider most drivers that day where 3-4 tenths off except for? , guess what I am saying is he had the secret (legal or not) then also, and the better weather since has made the difference...He definitely has some serious bolt-on's and comparing his mods to mine I can see him doing what he has done to an extent....He has either hit on a combination that no one else has or he has something not listed..you decide, but we are not hearing the full truth IMO, whether it is modifications, weight (he couldn't hide that at englishtown ), or whatever we don't know everything, and that is part of the game.
Bill

The master has spoken. and in my book Bill is the master of bolton lt1's.
hell even bolt on ls1's.
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11.67@118.20mph with a 1.714 60ft
ALL THRILLS NO FRILLS!!!!




I if i recall Bill managed a 12.62 that day with a db level much higher than the rules allowed. I know, coulda, shoulda, woulda, but if I could have been at the track that night with Steve I think I could went 11's in my car too.

I can understand the doubt. There are too many internet racers out there not to have some doubt. Steve put in the wrench time and was at the track almost every day it was open trying things/testing and it payed off. Is the car a consistant 11 sec car..heck no. Its is a great air car 11 sec. car. Most every person post their best "one time" times. All you can do the rest of the year is try to improve the car waiting on that perfect day to go for a new best. We haven't even pulled the stock elem. tricks that we have thought about and doubt we will. There are many tricks that we could do that would still leave it a stock motor/heads/cam etc. that would prolly pick the car up another.1 or so. But...if steve does do those you can bet he will share the results and tell you everything he did. YOu can count on that. What you read/hear is what you get with this guy and his car. He set his goals to beat frank W. times..those held for what..2 years? He beat them and at a heavier race weight...just like he wanted. If I could ever get him to lighten the car up for real you guys would freak out. Even at 3500+ lbs he is still a couple hundred lbs heavier than some of the cars at the mag. shootout. I wish someone would beat his time so he would have a new goal to go for.:p

Originally posted by 95Bird
I can understand the doubt. There are too many internet racers out there not to have some doubt. I can tell you that the people that started/replied in that post on EFA are not internet racers. We discuss things on the internet and at the track, but since there are no tracks open here, we're forced to converse online. Doesn't mean we're internet racers...far from it ;)

I didn't mean it toward you guys. I meant that the internet as a whole it is too easy for someone you do not know to come and post some steller times. If we accepted everyone for what they said I'm sure we would have some 14 year old kids claiming they have a 8 sec. honda on the street all motor. I was just saying it good to question some things. Hopefully steve can make it out there and race with you guys and ya'll can check the car out.

Tim

Originally posted by 95Bird
If we accepted everyone for what they said I'm sure we would have some 14 year old kids claiming they have a 8 sec. honda on the street all motor. You mean those kids are lying? :D ;) .

Yeah I see what you're saying, and agree completely. Good times are gonna get questioned, but that's what keeps people honest :) . You guys gonna make it out to the North vs. South shootout in Bowling Green, KY? It's in May if I'm not mistaken.

having met Stephen out in NJ for the gmhtp shoot I will have to vouch for him

think about the whole thing, it was 96 degrees and 90% humidity in NJ, track was kinda slick

in LA he had god-sent weather, air density of -19xx feet BELOW sea level
he had less weight
he had full slicks
and a track that anyone who has been too says hooks incredibly well (just was on aim w/ pro stock john and he said same)

I'm flat out jealous of the air down there

Originally posted by rasilverbird
You guys gonna make it out to the North vs. South shootout in Bowling Green, KY? It's in May if I'm not mistaken.

I would so love to line up w/ Stephen, for fun and bragging rights

Originally posted by GreenbeanZ28
Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:46 pm Post subject:

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INTIMID8R wrote:
Will keep most of my personal comments to myself (somewhat) other than to say (Quickshot and a few others know how I feel)...Why did it take till 2003 for someone to get 11's with a stock LT1 motor other than rr's (I know why, I think) and we have some LT1's with cams and nitrous doing only a few tenths better...some are comparing his times at Englishtown, but you need to consider most drivers that day where 3-4 tenths off except for? , guess what I am saying is he had the secret (legal or not) then also, and the better weather since has made the difference...He definitely has some serious bolt-on's and comparing his mods to mine I can see him doing what he has done to an extent....He has either hit on a combination that no one else has or he has something not listed..you decide, but we are not hearing the full truth IMO, whether it is modifications, weight (he couldn't hide that at englishtown ), or whatever we don't know everything, and that is part of the game.
Bill

The master has spoken. and in my book Bill is the master of bolton lt1's.
hell even bolt on ls1's.
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11.67@118.20mph with a 1.714 60ft
ALL THRILLS NO FRILLS!!!!




I if i recall Bill managed a 12.62 that day with a db level much higher than the rules allowed. I know, coulda, shoulda, woulda, but if I could have been at the track that night with Steve I think I could went 11's in my car too.

Finally a rag puts together a shootout that has all the 'fast' cars at the same track at the same time and the only rule they had was it be a bolt on and follow the track rules on dB. OK, we have a race...then here comes all the BS of how it sucked and such, NO it did not suck, it was great!!! All the cars that were invited were a good rep on what is going on with the LT1 cars. Even if the loud car could have run the whole day, dont think it would have picked up enough to run 11s or even lower 12s, the day sucked. but they all raced on the same day and the same track, no excuses.

SAR2K, Congrats and sure wish my H/C car would run that well!!!
Greebean, get the car back together!

i dont know steven or any of the guys from the EFA, but like has already been said, with a PERFECT day and a prepped track, amazing things can happen.

EX- when i FISRT got my car, i was running it at the track in the dead of summer. i wasnt letting the car cool off like i should and it would always run warm. i was clicking off 14.0s-14.1s. after some reading and research, i figured out that our cars HAVE to be really cool to get the most out of it. that combined with practicing launching and a different set of tires that somehow helped in almost eliminating the wheel hop i was experiencing, led to MUCH better ETs. i was running consitant 13.8s-.9s at around 99-100, STILL in the dead of summer. towards the fall, about 2-3 wks before the track closed, i caught a day that was virtually perfect. i ran a all time best of 13.62 @ 102 and clicked off several other 13.7 passes right after at 101. this was with a BONE STOCK 96 Z A4 with 2.73s on radial tires. i thought, and still do think, that thats pretty amazing for what i had. i havent to this day runt that time again. ive come close a couple of times with some low .7s, but havent seen it again.

i have SEEN myself many LT1 bolt on cars run in the LOW 12s all day. i DO believe that with a perfect day, 11s would be, without a doubt, possible.




jon

Originally posted by fastz28
I would so love to line up w/ Stephen, for fun and bragging rights Is that a yes???:)

Here's the info for signing up for anyone who wants to go. Shoud be a HUGE event:
http://www.motownmuscle.com/main/NorthvsSouth.php

Thanks guys. rasilverbird no problem bud, looks like most of your guys are a class act and cool.But damn working everyday is taking its toll on me... I missed the comments from "INTIMID8R". Are you the guy who got booted for beeing too lound at E-Town??? So I'm not telling the whole truth on my TA??? Damn dude... I truly regret being one of the guys who voted to let you stay & run your car for the article.
Anyway I'll do my best to make the North v. South shootout. fastz28 & myself should be a damn good race. And Russ had you of been at the track here with me that night with your E-Town setup... your 11 sec time slip would have been insane!!!
INTIMID8R :cry: ... just bring it.
Steve...

now this post is gonna turn into a benchracing post of who can, could, or should do what I guess:rolleyes:

i'd love to see you and Bill on the same track/same day:cool:

i would love to see how bill's car would do with 3600stall also;)

but i just jumped into this post to verify that hardly anyone over on EFA is a benchracer. Just about 99% of our members are die hard drag racers and I think everyone has a ET in there sig:cool:

Just that when someone runs a good ET there is always gonna be questions. Just like my 60ft on 16inch nittos stock internally:p

Steve, I think you need to really read that post someone was so kind to cut and paste over here. Yes I said "Whole Truth", did I say you lied, No I didn't and never would unless I had proof you are not bolton. There are things no one knows about my car cause I don't list it to that extent, i.e. my stall. Yes I list the stall, but do I list the STR, nope, is that holding back some of the whole truth, yes. Another example, PCM tuning, sure we have it, but what was done, do I list when my car shifts, NO! Also if you really read the post I stated considering your mods compared to mine and how you did at E-town, I could see how it was possible to an extent. The "extent" meaning do we have the whole truth. If we know everything about your car great, congrats and if we don't still congrats...the only point I was making was maybe we don't know everything you have done to get that timeslip, not that you cheated to get it or are lying about anything you list or say. One of the other posts in that thread, posted by another member on EFA, did accuse you of cheating, I was the one that requested to have it removed, Crzyfarmer (who posted just above) can verify that as he is the admin over there and he knows who asked to have it removed. As far as you voting for me to stay at E-town, thanks, but you really should not have told me that, that was a closed door vote for a reason, but thanks for narrowing my suspects to just two now. Anyway, I think you need to look elsewhere for the real doubters, cause I am not doubting what you have said or done.

Bill

Originally posted by INTIMID8R
Steve, I think you need to really read that post someone was so kind to cut and paste over here. Yes I said "Whole Truth", did I say you lied, No I didn't and never would unless I had proof you are not bolton. There are things no one knows about my car cause I don't list it to that extent, i.e. my stall. Yes I list the stall, but do I list the STR, nope, is that holding back some of the whole truth, yes. Another example, PCM tuning, sure we have it, but what was done, do I list when my car shifts, NO! Also if you really read the post I stated considering your mods compared to mine and how you did at E-town, I could see how it was possible to an extent. The "extent" meaning do we have the whole truth. If we know everything about your car great, congrats and if we don't still congrats...the only point I was making was maybe we don't know everything you have done to get that timeslip, not that you cheated to get it or are lying about anything you list or say. One of the other posts in that thread, posted by another member on EFA, did accuse you of cheating, I was the one that requested to have it removed, Crzyfarmer (who posted just above) can verify that as he is the admin over there and he knows who asked to have it removed. As far as you voting for me to stay at E-town, thanks, but you really should not have told me that, that was a closed door vote for a reason, but thanks for narrowing my suspects to just two now. Anyway, I think you need to look elsewhere for the real doubters, cause I am not doubting what you have said or done.

Bill


Well said Bill! Very well said;)

SAR2K,
Im a member of EFA, yes I have posted on the thread in discussion here. I know Bill very well. I hang out with him all the time. He has taught me alot about the f-body and cars in general. I have a 6 speed bolt on ls1, that runs 11.67. yes that pretty fast for a bolt on ls1 6 speed. i only know of 2 that are faster then me. my car weighed in at 3185. do i doubt your times. no. I just said I wanted to see you and Bill on the same track the same day.just like i want to see the 2 guys that are faster then me on the same track the same day. I also feel like there are some things that youve done to your car that have been left out. you have got a great combination and its working for you. i just think your not telling all that can be told.
I think the lt1 with bolt ons is quite capable of running 11's. belive me ive drove Bills car. I dont think that efa is a bunch of bench racers. and if you do ill come on down to LA. and we can line em up. I need to see what that great hooking track and weather will do for my little slow bolt on car. lol

Originally posted by LARRY01Z28
SAR2K,
Im a member of EFA, yes I have posted on the thread in discussion here. I know Bill very well. I hang out with him all the time. He has taught me alot about the f-body and cars in general. I have a 6 speed bolt on ls1, that runs 11.67. yes that pretty fast for a bolt on ls1 6 speed. i only know of 2 that are faster then me. my car weighed in at 3185. do i doubt your times. no. I just said I wanted to see you and Bill on the same track the same day.just like i want to see the 2 guys that are faster then me on the same track the same day. I also feel like there are some things that youve done to your car that have been left out. you have got a great combination and its working for you. i just think your not telling all that can be told.
I think the lt1 with bolt ons is quite capable of running 11's. belive me ive drove Bills car. I dont think that efa is a bunch of bench racers. and if you do ill come on down to LA. and we can line em up. I need to see what that great hooking track and weather will do for my little slow bolt on car. lol


Larry, stop pickin on the LT1's... you got enough to handle with me as it is:D MUAHAHAHAHA

ok Harold,. was just trying to make a point that were not bad guys on efa. and ill race anybody. even if i know im gonna lose. and you know you dont want none of the lil slow bolt on Z. lol
oh yeah sar2k, just wondering why you couldnt just post over on EFA? I mean one time someebody on a mustang thread was talking about me and my car and I signed up and posted so they could get the full story. oh well guess it doesnt matter.

Originally posted by LARRY01Z28
ok Harold,. was just trying to make a point that were not bad guys on efa. and ill race anybody. even if i know im gonna lose. and you know you dont want none of the lil slow bolt on Z. lol
oh yeah sar2k, just wondering why you couldnt just post over on EFA? I mean one time someebody on a mustang thread was talking about me and my car and I signed up and posted so they could get the full story. oh well guess it doesnt matter.

bring it on "roll up window boy" :bow: LOL :p

Originally posted by INTIMID8R
As far as you voting for me to stay at E-town, thanks, but you really should not have told me that, that was a closed door vote for a reason, but thanks for narrowing my suspects to just two now.

Bill

Sounds like you're still a little sore over the vote (as you were when we were there). Looks to me like you got the better deal anyway, seeing as you got a full feature article to yourself.

Ok where's the idiots in the kill section that doubted my friend's cammed, stock heads, bolt ons, and stock rear/tranny '02 SS going high 11s on street tires?? :mad: :mad:

Originally posted by Eric 97 Z28
Sounds like you're still a little sore over the vote (as you were when we were there). Looks to me like you got the better deal anyway, seeing as you got a full feature article to yourself.
Sure, I was mad that day, wouldn't you?????...it had to do more with money I spent to get there...in retro it was my own fault for not knowing the exact DB of my exhaust, so I take full blame for that...so no I am not sore about it now regardless of the recent article. I would have traded this spread for being able to stay there that day, but it just wasn't meant to be. I'd take a going down the track article over a posing article anyday. I have my own reasons for wanting to know who voted me out, but it has nothing to do with me being sore about it...if you want to discuss it, email me, otherwise don't put words in my mouth.

Bill

I'm not gonna doubt Stephen's times

btw, I missed the vote, went up afterwards and johnny and jim told me it didn't matter what I voted so I had another piece of that awful pizza

Bill, just be happy you got a nice large spread w/ very nice write-up and great pics
hell, I'm happy I got the cover (even though we only got 1/2 page each)
you've run @ e-town before right? (I was/am under that impression) so you knew the rules on db level, you had equal time to check just like everyone else
and you didn't drive all that far and got a free t-n-t day out of it
I will say I thought it was cool of you to help stephen p change his driveshaft out after you'd been booted
to me this whole thing is bull, so Stephen ran an 11, he did so with tuning and the right parts and great air
if you've really gone 12.26 then you have no reason to do anything but brag about that, that is a stellar time (and on an ed wright mail order tune!)

let's all have a get together at the "north v. south" shootout in bowling green (forgot the date, it's on ls1tech.com) and settle this heads-up on the same track w/ the same air
I'll commit if you guys will
I'll be adding a gear (I had stock 3.23s in NJ)

Of coarse I am happy with the spread, who wouldn't be. Like I said, my initial reaction was anger to the vote, but as I stated before it was my own fault. No I hadn't been to E-town before that day, only part of NJ I saw before that was the NJ turnpike, but I did know the rules and I didn't meet them along with others, just I was the only one who couldn't slap a cap on mine. Numerous runs without capped cutouts were made before and after I got the boot. I only mention this now cause everyone seems to think I am so bitter about getting the boot, but I not. I very well could have come on here and blasted the whole day, but I didn't and never have. Anyway, by the time Steve broke his DS I was over it, knowing I was wrong, and that the person who voted me out was voting based on the rules not his personel feeling about me, I hope. I hold no ill feelings towards that person period, so lets get that out and end this vote thing, cause it really doesn't matter. Yes I got a nice T/T day in 95* weather that cost me $500 instead of going up the street and doing it for $25, who's fault was that, yup mine...so let's end this stupid bs talk and get back to talking about our cars!

Bill