C6: The Smaller Vette

I read an article today at work (sorry, don't remember the address) about the C6. This follows other articles I've read about it lately...

Basically the gist is that they want to sell more globally and the current car is just to LARGE. Rumor is that it will be slightly narrower and a chunk shorter than the current car.

Finally, a SMALLER (LIGHTER?) Vette. When was the last time that happened?

All they need is a SMALLER, LIGHTER Camaro to compliment it. http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

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As long as this is all done within reason... fine, so much the better...

But I certainly wouldn't want to see a Honda S2000 sized Corvette...

The intimidating size of the Corvette (and Camaro for that matter) add to it's presence, IMO.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by WERM:
Basically the gist is that they want to sell more globally and the current car is just to LARGE.</font>

Europeans view the Corvette as a pig from what I've heard. We think it looks just fine here. Of course, Americans must be quite used to larger, heavier cars by now as we buy 50 billion trucks every year. Count me in as someone who thinks the Vette should be slightly smaller. I wouldn't cut more than a foot off of it though.

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I'll also vote for "slightly" smaller. I've always thought the C5 looked a bit large from the rear. I just hope they don't go too crazy.

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This article? (http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=00814961)

Count me in as one of those who would like to see a smaller lighter C6.

...and a WAY smaller lighter Camaro!

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jrp4uc:
This article? (http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=00814961)</font>

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> Full-sized images of the new car were shown to Corvette owners in Germany. </font>

OK... if they did this.. SOMEONE has to have a spy shot... please!! http://web.camaross.com/bb/eek.gif http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

I too would like to see a slightly smaller Vette, but I find it odd that GM would actually listen to the minority buyers of one of their products.

*cough, 5th Gen F-body? cough*

And on a side note, the way the French treat Americans, I'd tell them to "stick it" by building a 70's style Thunderbird sized "Special France Edition" Corvette. http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

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I guess Im the minority who actually likes the big ass presence of the C5. Ok, a slightly smaller Corvette would be ok...but I like the big intimidating stance it has.

Make the Camaro smaller? I hope not by much on this car either...I want it big, bad, and brash. http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

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I wouldn't mind the Corvette getting a bit smaller, just so long as it's still recognizable as a Corvette.

Without a doubt, a smaller Camaro is in order.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by INTENSS:
I guess Im the minority who actually likes the big ass presence of the C5. Ok, a slightly smaller Corvette would be ok...but I like the big intimidating stance it has.

Make the Camaro smaller? I hope not by much on this car either...I want it big, bad, and brash. http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

-Rich

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Nah. I'm with you on this issue... I don't want a tiny roller skate of a car, even if it means it's a bit faster...

Engine output is getting to the point where they can move a larger car super fast anyway.

Plus, IMO, the size & presence of a Corvette or Camaro/Firebird, is part of what I like about them.

Also, I don't really think they are land yacht's by any sense... http://web.camaross.com/bb/eek.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by INTENSS:
I guess Im the minority who actually likes the big ass presence of the C5. Ok, a slightly smaller Corvette would be ok...but I like the big intimidating stance it has.

Make the Camaro smaller? I hope not by much on this car either...I want it big, bad, and brash. http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

-Rich

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I'm with you INTENSS, I think that's what sets American Muscle apart from the rest. Big car Big V8 Big hp Big tq http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif Happy Man

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I liked how that article said they were going concentrate on the interior. Its a $50,000 car with the interior of a monte carlo right now.

I too would have to vote for a smaller Camaro. I don't want it to be the size of a Celica, but it could be short than it is now with more useable interior space. It doesn't have to be narrower, a wide stance is good, but the current Camaro is just a long car for the current marketplace. It's not like it's a Camaro tradition to be the biggest car in the Chevrolet lineup. It used to be among the smallest, but as family sedans have shrunk, the Camaro has stayed the same size leaving you with a "sports car" that's darn near the same size as a full size sedan while having the interior space of a Honda Insight. Carmaro doesn't have to be big, but I agree it should maintain an intimidating presence and wide stance.

How can the Europeans say the Vette is too big?? Have you looked at the @$$ end of a Ferrari, Countach or whale-tail Porsche lately??

Personally I think the C5 is danged near perfect......danged near http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by slt:
I liked how that article said they were going concentrate on the interior. Its a $50,000 car with the interior of a monte carlo right now.</font>

Where are you from that you think a Monte Carlo and a Vette has the same interior http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif

I believe he's referring to the quality of materials - not that the Corvette interior looks like a Monte Carlo interior. The 'Vette does have a lot of parts bin switchgear and the plastics aren't really much nicer than a Monte or an Impala. Look at the richness of the new Audis in comparison to a 'Vette.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BlkDth:
Where are you from that you think a Monte Carlo and a Vette has the same interior http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif</font>

veriations on a theme. hard plastics and near identical dials levers, switches. it all comes from the same parts bin. and so it is the case with the Monaro and the upcoming GTO. actually its a GM trademark at this point. ****ty, identical interiors.

also, I wouldn't mind so much if the C6 stayed within a foot of the C5, but I don't really think it should be much smaller/shorter/nerrower. it is wonderful as is already.

the camaro def. has to go on an intensive diet though. I'd like to be able to have a 'sense' for where the car ends at either end in the new one. at this point it is too big for no reason at all.

[This message has been edited by morb|d (edited June 25, 2002).]

While we're talking about the 4th gen's large exterior dimensions....I just want to share an experience with you.

Recently I was invited to a Porsche Club Of America event. Amongst all the 911s, 944s and 928s (if Porsche made a Z/28...the 928 would be it)...someone brought his 4th gen daily driver.

Among all those low slung sportscars, the 4th gen looked like a Suburban. And not in a good way...but in a clumsy out of place way.

The Camaro is a (or at least used to be) a compact muscle car/pony car...time to get back to basics!

I think a lot of you are operating under old information http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif. Corvettes aren't heavy- the now weigh in at about 3200 lbs, which is less than the much-smaller M3. It's also less than the old 300ZX, a car consistently praised for its light feel.

Yes, the car is long and wide, but if there's no weight penalty, what's the problem? It just helps improve the ride and handling.

While reduced weight is always an admirable goal in a sports car, at some point you have to say good enough, and realize that the compromises to go any further just aren't worth it.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z284ever:
Among all those low slung sportscars, the 4th gen looked like a Suburban. And not in a good way...but in a clumsy out of place way.

The Camaro is a (or at least used to be) a compact muscle car/pony car...time to get back to basics!</font>

Like I just said in another thread, it's funny how the 3rd Gen is so widely loved yet has virtually the same exterior/interior dimensions. Do you consider that car "clumsy" looking too?


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z28Wilson:
Like I just said in another thread, it's funny how the 3rd Gen is so widely loved yet has virtually the same exterior/interior dimensions. Do you consider that car "clumsy" looking too?


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As you know cars are getting smaller. When the 3rd gen was introduced at had gone through a substantial downsizing...compared to the 2nd gen. And I can't remember anyone..including me.. that didn't set eyes on that initial '82 model and think it wasn't drop dead gorgeous.

By the end of their run, the 3rd gen's styling had started to look dated and their size had begun to look excessive. But they always had nice proportions. The way their wheels (which were far better looking than the 4th gens', BTW), filled the wheelwells...those muscular creases and flares on their fenders and wheelwells makes 3rd gens look timeless today.

To my eye...the 4th gen styling did nothing to freshen the already dated 3rd gen styling...and it added overall length to boot.

So, if you're asking me if the 4th gen looks more "clumsy" than the 3rd gen, the answer is...&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;YES&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;!!!!!!!!!!!

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z28Wilson:
Like I just said in another thread, it's funny how the 3rd Gen is so widely loved yet has virtually the same exterior/interior dimensions. Do you consider that car "clumsy" looking too?
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Ok, I'll be the first to list all of the flaws of the 4th gen, but I'll certainly defend it compared to the 3rd gen. Widely loved? Well I'm not in that group. I'd take a '98-'02 SS or WS6 over any 3rd gen. I always thought the styling of those Camaros was too boxy and squared off. The last years of the 3rd gen Firebirds were respectable, but that's about it. I'm not a big fan of the "IROC" designation either (yes, I'm familiar with the series). Maybe I'm swayed by all the run-down, beater 3rd gens I see (4th gens are getting cheap enough, you'll see more in that condition too). 4th gens don't have the rust to worry about or as susceptible to little dings all over the place. Oh yeah, they're a ton faster too.

Ok, now that I got that out...we need a replacement for that lousy 4th gen with oversized doors, wheel wells, dash, nose, cat hump, and Fisher Price interior. http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

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The Corvette already IS a small car, and looks damn fine the way it is. Why would GM care about the opinions of Europeans when it won't even listen to America's opinions? The next Corvette should look like a modern Sting Ray.

As for the Camaro, it's size is like the Camaro benchmark. When I picture a smaller Camaro, I picture GM throwing a Z28 badge on a Cavalier and that makes me sick. I want my big Camaro. THe styling of the Camaro is very masculine and brawny, and that I think gives it a lot of appeal. I think a lot of Camaro owners would shun the idea of buying a 5th Gen if it looked like a "sissy".

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CivicDestroyer:
. I want my big Camaro.
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The Marauder then.....would make an even better Camaro. http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z284ever:
While we're talking about the 4th gen's large exterior dimensions....I just want to share an experience with you.

Recently I was invited to a Porsche Club Of America event. Amongst all the 911s, 944s and 928s (if Porsche made a Z/28...the 928 would be it)...someone brought his 4th gen daily driver.

Among all those low slung sportscars, the 4th gen looked like a Suburban. And not in a good way...but in a clumsy out of place way.

The Camaro is a (or at least used to be) a compact muscle car/pony car...time to get back to basics!</font>


And if you had a porsche among all American Muscle it would look like a Miata. Whats your point http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif Maybe you should just get a porsche, or better yet a civic. nice and small http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Eric77TA:
I believe he's referring to the quality of materials - not that the Corvette interior looks like a Monte Carlo interior. The 'Vette does have a lot of parts bin switchgear and the plastics aren't really much nicer than a Monte or an Impala. Look at the richness of the new Audis in comparison to a 'Vette.</font>

If you want very high quality buy an audi, bmw, or benz. If you want pure fun and brut force for the best price and still get elegance and prestige, get a vette. Come on lets be real. I don't know anywhere you can get all that you get with the Z06 for 50,000 but GM. If you can, go their and let us true American Muscle fans be happy http://web.camaross.com/bb/cool.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BlkDth:

And if you had a porsche among all American Muscle it would look like a Miata. Whats your point http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif Maybe you should just get a porsche, or better yet a civic. nice and small http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif</font>

I suppose I could. But what I really want is, a properly executed Camaro.

I could get a Civic...as you suggest....and have more interior space than a 4th gen, ("nice and small")....but what I really want is a Camaro.

If you are confused about my point...let me elaborate....

THE CAMARO DOES NOT NEED TO BE AS LONG AS AN SUV OR FULL SIZED SEDAN.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BlkDth:

And if you had a porsche among all American Muscle it would look like a Miata. Whats your point http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif </font>

Wait ...I think I missed that the first time around.....

So you want to compare the Camaro size to what...full sized big block Impalas and Galaxies ???

See...now I'm confused!

I am not gonna complain about the current C5, but if they wanna make it smaller, I am all for it. That would knock off at least what 150 lbs? Go for it.

The reason Corvette races in places like Le Mans is to show the world that an American sports car can get the job done, and to sell them the road going version. It makes sense to make the car small enough to suit European roads. I want Euro's to be spent on Corvettes!

The Camaro needs to be way smaller too. Look at a Supra or a 90's 300Z or the V8 Porsche 928 and you wont think they are too small. The Camaro should be the same size, no bigger. I would actualy prefer it if the Camaro were 968/944 size even.

As far as third gens to me they sure feel and drive a lot smaller than a 4th gen. My 92 1LE third gen drives like a MUCH smaller and lighter car compared to a 4th gen.

But the 5th gen should be shorter even than a 3rd gen, BUT NOT ANY TALLER PLEASE!!!!

[This message has been edited by Reno Leigh (edited June 26, 2002).]

This isn't just a cosmetics issue here, guys. I see posts that say basically to heck with the Europeans, the Vette isn't supposed to be fancy, just fast.

I think we run a real risk if we stop demanding that the Corvette continue to improve and evolve. The beauty of the Vette has always been that it is the equal of much more expensive cars, or that it is close in performance for a lot less money. If it all of the sudden becomes a cheap, big engined car with no refinement, it will have nothing on the other supercars and will end up being a lot like the F-body...outdated and crude.

Now, I love crude and unasumming in my Fbody, but I expect a lot more out of a $50K Corvette.

Back to my first point. The Corvette is relatively small and light by our standards, but not by world standards. In every handling contest I've read it is one of the best but it is never THE best. Professional racers always comment that the car is simply too big and heavy to be competently driven around a track like a Ferarri or even some Porsche models.

Getting the Vette a little shorter while retaining the existing wheelbase will make it visually more appealing to foreign buyers (and foreign biased auto mags!), and chopping a couple of hundred pounds off an already 3200-3300 lb car all of the sudden makes it .2 faster in the quarter mile and a lot more impressive on the road course.

I'm all for shortening it up a little as long as they don't make it too narrow or make it look substantively different. The Corvette has always has a low/wide look to it, and I don't think triming a little off the overhangs is going to instantly turn it into a Miata clone.

I think with C6 we are seriously looking at a car that can do 11's in the 1/4 and dominate any road course you take it to. I'm sure that's Corvette Team's goal, anyway.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BlkDth:
If you want very high quality buy an audi, bmw, or benz. If you want pure fun and brut force for the best price and still get elegance and prestige, get a vette. Come on lets be real. I don't know anywhere you can get all that you get with the Z06 for 50,000 but GM. If you can, go their and let us true American Muscle fans be happy http://web.camaross.com/bb/cool.gif

I'm a true American muscle fan. Believe me. However, while the Z06 is an absolute STEAL at $50,000 there's no reason at that price point it can't have all that awesome performance and interior materials as nice as a $16,000 VW. The Vette's build quality exceeds the VW, but the plastics sure aren't nicer.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z284ever:
I suppose I could. But what I really want is, a properly executed Camaro.

I could get a Civic...as you suggest....and have more interior space than a 4th gen, ("nice and small")....but what I really want is a Camaro.

If you are confused about my point...let me elaborate....

THE CAMARO DOES NOT NEED TO BE AS LONG AS AN SUV OR FULL SIZED SEDAN.

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I guess your right, and those cars have V8's in them right. http://web.camaross.com/bb/rolleyes.gif Asking for a smaller camaro I'm sure you've never done a tune-up yourself. I mean come on the engine is almost in the passenger compartment. I guess you want a V6 too like all the other cars your naming. http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

This weight stuff about C5 Corvettes confuses me. The Z06 is significantly lighter than the Porsche 911 Carrera and Turbo. Oh yeah.... It lays waste to the Ferrari 360 Modena and the Porsche on a road course too.

What am I missing? If the car is lighter than the European "supercars", costs less, has a wider track, out accelerates them and beats them on a road course for less than half the price....

I call that world class engineering.

Matter of fact, here's a good tag line for an ad in Europe....

"If you ninnys can't see that the Corvette kicks the living sh!t out of the Porsche and Ferrari competition for half the price, then go ahead and flush your money down the toilet. Then, sit your stupid Euro-trash, American-bashing asses down and shut up before we stuff a fistfull of pushrods up your bungholes sideways."

K - so it won't win a lot of new customers... just an idea.

One more thing.... if you want high quality, buy a General Motors product, at least according to JD Powers. GM beat both Audi and Benz, and came in a hair under BMW in passenger cars.

[This message has been edited by PacerX (edited June 26, 2002).]

Here: read this comparo and perhaps you'll grasp the handling aspects the Corvette lacks and how a little lighter car would be better in those aspects.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/features/ArticleDisplay.asp?ArticleID=220

The Z06 ranked 5th out of 8 in this little comparo, the 360 Modena was ranked #1. Now, I'm not suggesting Road & track is THE authority and this one test proves it all, but its a very well though out comparison with a professional racer providing comment and input.

Direct Quotes from CART veteran Bryan Herta:
"The Corvette's long, sloping front end and low driving position make the car feel a bit bulky to drive around town. And some staffers also notice that the brake pedal travel is too long and the effort is soft for spirited driving. After his hot laps in the Z06, Herta echoes the same sentiments: 'On the track coming down the straight, I don't feel like I can brake as late as I want to. And through the transition and over the rise, the car feels big, heavy and a little sloppy. The car wants to leave the ground. It has a lot more movement than the others.'"

"In driving excitement, though, the Corvette clearly puts the biggest smile on Herta's face. He notes: 'I can really drop the hammer coming off the corner and the Z06 will set me back in the seat. The steering feedback has a nice positive turn-in without a lot of understeer. This is a fun car that I can get the rear to step out, get on power and have a nice Dukes of Hazzard slide out of the corner. But if I were to tune this car for the racetrack to go fast, I would work on improving its rear grip.'"

Why are so many people apparently opposed to improving the Corvette? I don't think GM is suggesting the C6 is going to be a Fiero clone or anything. Since when have they ever made drastic, anti-corvette-legacy type changes? Never. I have faith the C6 will be well though out, better than the C5, and still maintain healthy doses of Corvette heritage.

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Smaller & lighter Corvette, huh ??? How about a pic ??

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IMO, that's what it will look like, if they do make it smaller & lighter.....Unless they do some drastic re-designs on the body lines.

Just my $.02

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I think you are taking the terms smaller & lighter to the extreme. I think the changes in store for the C6 are far less drastic than everybody is making them out to be. You guys are overreacting IMO.

People bitched when the C5 came out that it looked too much like an RX7.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6:
I think you are taking the terms smaller & lighter to the extreme. I think the changes in store for the C6 are far less drastic than everybody is making them out to be. You guys are overreacting IMO.

People bitched when the C5 came out that it looked too much like an RX7.</font>

heheh... I did always think C5 had a little RX-7 (profile) and last generation Ford Probe (front clip) in it... http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

But it worked out for the best. My only gripes with the C5 is that it has been virtually visually unchanged since it came out, and the only base model HP bump was from 345 to 350...

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth Xed:
My only gripes with the C5 is that it has been virtually visually unchanged since it came out, and the only base model HP bump was from 345 to 350...

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Agreed. It seems like they left both the F-body and the Vette visually untouched, and it has been to their detriment (at least for the F-body). No recent vette has gone its entire life w/o at least a facia change, but then again the C3 and C4 lasted 16 and 15 years each, the C5 will only have a 7 year production run.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BlkDth:
I guess your right, and those cars have V8's in them right. http://web.camaross.com/bb/rolleyes.gif Asking for a smaller camaro I'm sure you've never done a tune-up yourself. I mean come on the engine is almost in the passenger compartment. I guess you want a V6 too like all the other cars your naming. http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif</font>

Well....where do I begin.

As a matter of fact, I do do my own tune ups! I wish I had easier access to plugs in my third gen....but I don't see how reducing Camaro's ridiculously long front and rear overhangs will make that any harder.

....maybe you can tell me?

BTW...none of the cars I mentioned has a V6 as you imply...maybe you should do some research.


And the 928 does have a V8....a DOHC engine that has much larger exterior dimensions than our own genIII smallblock.
The 928 packages this larger V8 engine very well in a 2+2 coupe with much smaller exterior dimensions than the Camaro.

In fact I've seen a couple of 928s with Chevy smallblock conversions, and there is a ton of room in the engine bay to work on them.


....didn't you mention in another post that you work for GM?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Reno Leigh:


The Camaro needs to be way smaller too. Look at a Supra or a 90's 300Z or the V8 Porsche 928 and you wont think they are too small. The Camaro should be the same size, no bigger. I would actualy prefer it if the Camaro were 968/944 size even.

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Reno,
Once again, you are right on the money!!!!

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z284ever:


And the 928 does have a V8....a DOHC engine that has much larger exterior dimensions than our own genIII smallblock.
The 928 packages this larger V8 engine very well in a 2+2 coupe with much smaller exterior dimensions than the Camaro.

In fact I've seen a couple of 928s with Chevy smallblock conversions, and there is a ton of room in the engine bay to work on them.


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Speaking of 928s, my cousin was going to stuff a Ram Jet 502 into one of his 928s. He even planned to twin turbo it. Practicallity set in and he ended up selling it and getting his current project car-- a type 965 (1994) 911 Turbo.

Back to the subject:

Many Corvette team people have already said that the C6 wouldn't be a drastic departure from the C5.


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1997 Bright Red T/A WS6 M6 (http://ws6bird.cz28.com/)
I was thinking dagger. -Steve Nash

The older Corvettes were smaller than the C5, and I don't think they were so feminine...

I would also like to casually mention the fact that when the 4th gen camaro came out it was 9 INCHES longer than the then current Ford Taurus family sedan. http://web.camaross.com/bb/eek.gif It also has the longest doors of any car currently sold in the US.

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