First Five Silverado SS Pilot vehicles being built today!

I have it from a good source will be made today at the GM Oshawa Autoplex http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif If I get more info I will pass it on http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

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Any info on the final choice of engine/cab configuration?

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sixer-Bird:
Any info on the final choice of engine/cab configuration?
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That's the biggest question. Extended cab with only 350 HP? Why bother.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z28Wilson:
That's the biggest question. Extended cab with only 350 HP? Why bother.

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Exactly. I cant believe Lutz approved this **** if the rumors are true.

Any news yet, I am itching to find out....

Here is what i have gotten so far

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Posted - 06/18/2002 : 01:50:36
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Tuesday, June 18th, 2002....the truck plant here will be building five 2003 Model Year Silverado SS Pilot vehicles. The current plans are to introduce these models into regular production in early December. Some of the features of this vehicle are:

345hp 6.0 Liter V8
All wheel drive
Body colored mirrors and door handles
Special bumpers

This comes from a news letter handed out within the GM-Oshawa truck plant centre. I can post more info as it becomes available.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by formula79:
345 hp</font>

GAY http://web.camaross.com/bb/mad.gif

What a disappointment, I really thought they were pulling a fast one on us and that they would produce something worthy when it actually went into production, but that is really sad. seesh GM i thought you wanted to "blow the doors off the lightning" with this POS we will be lucky to blow the doors off a Harley F-150 let alone the mighty L... GM got no bal*z

345 HP and AWD...sounds like the Sierra C3. Do you know anybody who has purchased a C3, let alone purchased one for its performance? http://web.camaross.com/bb/redface.gif

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Damn,,, I thought 345 for a Truck was allright considering it is AWD.
Mabye it's just me.

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I'm not too upset about the Silverado SS. 345 hp, AWD and 20" wheels will make it nice enough.....

Does it really need to blow away an SR/T in a straight line?

After all this is just a truck!

Now if Chevy came out with a Z/28 that didn't absolutely blow away it's competitors....now, that would be something to get mad about!

I thought the 345HP 6.0L was a Caddy exclusive? What happened to the 390HP 6.0L in the 1999 concept? If this is short box reg cab it will be an ok truck, but ex-cab would just be a Chevy version of the C3.

if they aren't going to use the 8.1L or a S/C V8 then they should just use the LS6.

I hope they can keep the cost down to $30K or lower.

This might be a dumb question but, can someone explain what the benefit of AWD is and why I would want that over a, say, 400hp rear-wheel-only truck?

Can the 160 HP Cavalier 'SS' be far behind?

The Silverado "SS" is an extended cab, 4 wheel drive pickup with 20" wheels & special bumpers? Not exactly down my line, but still 345 horsepower in a pickup is certainly nothing to sneeze at.

We all knew for some time that this truck wasn't going to compete with Lightning or the Ram PVO, so it is somewhat amusing that some thought GM was trying to pull some sneeky business by creating a deception that this truck would be a surprize.

Just the same, I still view it as another pimping of the SS name. At the risk of of being repetitious, the "new" Impala SS & now this Silverado SS should help settle that dumb SS vs Z28 debate as to what name is more special and has more meaning to Camaro. :P

So the Lightning is a 400hp rear wheel drive.......with obvious traction concerns........and we get a 345 hp ALL wheel drive with concievably NO traction problems.....and winter drivability.....hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

I guess I'll never understand the appeal of a performace pickup truck... http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif

I would think slapping the hollowed SS moniker on a pickup would be considered as blasphemous to some as the new Imapala SS apparently is...

Remember the 1994-96 (or so) S-10 SS..??? That was a beast http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth Xed:
I guess I'll never understand the appeal of a performace pickup truck... http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif

I would think slapping the hollowed SS moniker on a pickup would be considered as blasphemous to some as the new Imapala SS apparently is...

Remember the 1994-96 (or so) S-10 SS..??? That was a beast http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif</font>

All the more reason to give us back a REAL Z/28!!!! (remember those threads!! LOL)

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Doug Harden, Pres CICC:
All the more reason to give us back a REAL Z/28!!!! (remember those threads!! LOL)

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:

We all knew for some time that this truck wasn't going to compete with Lightning or the Ram PVO</font>

...Which brings me to my question: What exactly is the point in producing this thing? If it doesn't undercut the Lightning by at least a few grand, it won't sell at all because everyone knows there's something on the market that does what it's supposed to do--better, for similar money. In fact, how much do you wanna bet that this thing will sticker for more than an L?

"But look, it's an extended cab, it's more useful!" http://web.camaross.com/bb/rolleyes.gif

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The F-body will NEVER die.

I think it will sell just fine.

I find it hard to believe that prospective buyers will reject it because it's not the fastest truck on earth.

Talked to some people...

It will be the same engine in the Escalade...different exahust and gearing though. Also keep in mind that the engine is underrated like most GM engines. Sadly I doubt it is under rated 50-60 HP http://web.camaross.com/bb/frown.gif

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Make it 400hp, AWD, with a T56 and you'd see a lot of attention shift from the Lightning.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z28Wilson:

"But look, it's an extended cab, it's more useful!" http://web.camaross.com/bb/rolleyes.gif

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The supercharged 360 hp Harley F-150 has 4 full size doors and the 20" wheels .

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The concept from the 99 SEMA show i think it was, had a 480hp and 495tq output from a stroked 6.6 ltr engine, couldn't they adapt something like that, and this is supposed to be the first official product from the stupid Special products team, if this is what crap they are producing then i'm sorry but they will not compete with the chevy's maybe the Cadillac's (CTS with the LS6 and the TT Escalade but nothing else so far) but it looks like GM has truned it's back on chevy. JOn Moss gave so many hints taht the concept would be almost the same thing as the production model but alas. The reason i am so mad is that it is the 10th year anniv. for the 454SS that was a legend in it's own. I would have thought they would have brought it back for this since the old L and 454 used to duke it out back in the days.. anyways underrated or not it doesnt impress..... GM it's time to shape up for goodness sake i don't want to have to get that Cavalier "ss" and loose to a crappy SVT FOCYS

Can I ask this seriously, and get your guys' honest responses? (This is not a flame... I just don't get it)

If you want a high-performance vehicle.... Why would you want it to be one that weighs over two tons, has the aerodynamics of a brick, is HUGE yet won't fit a bunch of your friends comfortably, and it's pickup bed is virtually useless for what it was designed for in the first place(hauling stuff!) ???? http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darth Xed:
If you want a high-performance vehicle.... Why would you want it to be one that weighs over two tons, has the aerodynamics of a brick, is HUGE yet won't fit a bunch of your friends comfortably, and it's pickup bed is virtually useless for what it was designed for in the first place(hauling stuff!) </font>
Well I think one of the things that make the lightning so attractive is that it can haul the same as a regular F150 in the bed. Plus if you wanna pull your race car to the track no problem.. All that plus it handles well and has awesome power..


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mchafin:
Originally posted by Darth Xed:
If you want a high-performance vehicle.... Why would you want it to be one that weighs over two tons, has the aerodynamics of a brick, is HUGE yet won't fit a bunch of your friends comfortably, and it's pickup bed is virtually useless for what it was designed for in the first place(hauling stuff!) </font>
Well I think one of the things that make the lightning so attractive is that it can haul the same as a regular F150 in the bed. Plus if you wanna pull your race car to the track no problem.. All that plus it handles well and has awesome power..





OK, well that is one thing I did not know about the Lightning... that it can handle the same payload as a regular F150. Well, that helps a bit, but I still think a Pickup would fall short in a 'performance vehicle' setting...

Honestly, I've never driven a Lightning, so I am not speaking from experience here... just trying to get people thoughts on the whole concept.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z284ever:
I think it will sell just fine.

I find it hard to believe that prospective buyers will reject it because it's not the fastest truck on earth.</font>

My question is, who are the perspective buyers? It's a half-a$$ed attempt at a performance truck so I doubt it will steal Lightning/SRT-10 sales. Basically, a Silverado with a bit more powerful engine and a body kit. Which will cost more than the other Silverados which people buy for more conventional reasons. Follow me? It's basically too little for the performance truck crowd and too much for everyone else.

Darth, I agree that performance pickups are an oxymoron. I am not very interested in them, but that isn't the point. If Chevy is going to get into the sport-truck segment, it should COMPETE!



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Best time: 14.658 @ 95.1
with SES light on and Driver off! (First and only time at track)

The F-body will NEVER die.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z28Wilson:
My question is, who are the perspective buyers? It's a half-a$$ed attempt at a performance truck so I doubt it will steal Lightning/SRT-10 sales. Basically, a Silverado with a bit more powerful engine and a body kit. Which will cost more than the other Silverados which people buy for more conventional reasons. Follow me? It's basically too little for the performance truck crowd and too much for everyone else.

Darth, I agree that performance pickups are an oxymoron. I am not very interested in them, but that isn't the point. If Chevy is going to get into the sport-truck segment, it should COMPETE!

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They sell a crapload of teh S-10 Extreme and it really has no performance upgrades at all http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z28Wilson:
My question is, who are the perspective buyers?


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Hey, don't ask me. I am not into this "performance truck" thing at all.

Trucks make good work vehicles, tow vehicles and parts chasers...why anyone would think a fast 3 ton truck is fun to drive is beyond me.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z28Wilson:
My question is, who are the perspective buyers? It's a half-a$$ed attempt at a performance truck so I doubt it will steal Lightning/SRT-10 sales. Basically, a Silverado with a bit more powerful engine and a body kit. Which will cost more than the other Silverados which people buy for more conventional reasons. Follow me? It's basically too little for the performance truck crowd and too much for everyone else.

Darth, I agree that performance pickups are an oxymoron. I am not very interested in them, but that isn't the point. If Chevy is going to get into the sport-truck segment, it should COMPETE!

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I don't know about where you live, but over here in Texas EVERYONE is putting 20 inch rims on their truck, dropping it, and adding body kits. If done tastefully, it looks bad@ss. These guys don't race their trucks either. Harley F-150s sell like hotcakes and are all over town, while I always see 3-4 Lightnings sitting at the SVT Ford dealership. Majority of truck buyers don't compare quarter mile times, but do compare looks and usefulness. I think thats why its gonna have an extended cab. Oh yeah, I am really considering getting one.



[This message has been edited by alex94z (edited June 20, 2002).]

Maybe it has a Ram Air kit like the Extended Cab concept in "Sport Truck" magazine.

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The extreme doesn't have competition like the ranger, it has a solid market where the younger kids buy those pickups and keep it for the looks, the SS is supposed to beat the L in performance, that is the reason it gets the "SS" moniker, if it was design it should have been the Silverado RS. I/'m from Texas and all we see are trcusk, everyday I see at least two L's on the street and they look good, If only Chevy came out with BOTH a Single cab config with a HD tranny and a pumped engine to take on the L and an ext. cab for the people that need AWD and 20's (BTW 20-s ads even more weight to the body kit and the AWD system, so i'm sure performance is not the goal here....

At the Chicago auto show they had a black stepside reg cab with understated flames stuffed with a 502 GMPP crate engine (A John Moss creation perhaps?) . I remember saying to myself that this would kick some serious L___ and SRT @ss. GM, give us something to win with, we know you can.

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Does anyone know for sure that the SS will have the 345 HP version of the 6.0L, or is everyone just assuming?

...it's for sure.

Hey Did anyone see that Dodge ( i hate to say that word!) on I think Car and Driver? It had a Viper V10 in it and was a regular cab with 5 or 6 on the floor! It also had I think 22 or 23 inch rims. I hate to say it but that truck was Bad Arse! I think that it was just a prototype but they said something similar would probably come from it, But I still won't buy a dodge! I just traded in my 2001 reg cab, pewter Z71 with the 5.3 for my SS. I always wanted one, but I think I'll buy a truck again when I can afford both!! If anyone knows what I'm talking about, mabey they can give more insight about the Dodge I saw. Later

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White2000SS...the Ram you saw is the SRT/10, shown on the auto circuit last year, and it IS going into production with the Viper's 500 HP V10.

The Xtreme S10 is a good point. The Xtreme S10 was also a John Moss creation that in concept form had a nice small block in it. In production form it boasts the whopping 2.2 which pushes it down the 1/4 in about 18 seconds. Do you sense a re-occuring theme here? One of my biggest complaints the last few years is the fact that Moss and Co. have come up with some awesome stuff that is dumbed down to the point where you can't take anything seriously anymore. Funny you don't see Ford or even Dodge "dumbing down" their concepts....

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(Hey, I'm a college boy I can't afford gobs of bolt-ons!)

Best time: 14.658 @ 95.1
with SES light on and Driver off! (First and only time at track)

The F-body will NEVER die.

I'd honestly say that Lightning is the only truck I'd consider driving. It's extremely fast for an automatic anything (let alone a truck), and it looks great inside & out.

But I value handling as much as acceleration, so I never got one. But though I considered Lightning, Silverado SS just doesn't seem interesting.

Now, if Chevrolet came out with a modern LS1 powered, 6 speed ElCamino, that would be a very very different story.