5th Gen Possibility???

THIS is what the 5th Gen should look like!!!

http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=111800

That is one awesome looking car. http://web.camaross.com/bb/cool.gif I'd buy it in a second!

Looks a little over the top to me. I like the side profile line, but the front clip and hood needs to be altered.

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I like it except for the hood. Tone the hood down, maybe give it a small cowl like the C5 vette, and I'd buy one too.

Its just a concept. Its like a combination of alot of 1st Gen and some Third Gen.

Where do I sign? I like it!

Colin
98 Z28

Looks like a Stingray & a '69 Camaro mated.

It reprsents the 1969 model year well, but what about the other 32 of 35 years of Camaro evolution.

build it and quit bullsh*ting chevy

wow! i would consider selling my wife for that!!

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As everyone knows... I am not a retro fan, but if they end up going in a retro direction... this is a pretty good idea of what it should look like... it is very nice looking.

But, again, I say move forward, not back. http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

I like it, obviously change a little, the rear fenders look alittle stingrayish, but hell i would by it in a heart beat (of America, Chevrolet) it would probably also appeal to the people who only care about looks, cough ricer cough

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OMG! I think I just wet myself!

I cant believe so many of you guys like that.

I think that car looks like a frankenstein, with many disparate cars hacked together into one unflowing mass. Ted could do better with his drawing hand tied behind his back! The entire roof in particular is awful.

I would be terribly dissapointed if thats what the Camaro turned out to be.

A good design should flow together from front to back, from top to side. Every part should make sense to the whole car, and look good from any angle.

On a 1 to 10, I give this a 1.

I think it's a pretty good stab at a Camaro design. I don't care too much for the small details (hood louvers and foglights, etc.) but the over all lines of the car are good. I don't really mind the mid-year Sting Ray look either, although it seems closer to a 'vette in some places, particilarly the rear. I'd like to see the rear before I make up my mind. I'm thinking '70 - '73 for the rear deck and taillights.

Amazing!

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Reno Leigh:
I cant believe so many of you guys like that.

I think that car looks like a frankenstein, with many disparate cars hacked together into one unflowing mass. Ted could do better with his drawing hand tied behind his back! The entire roof in particular is awful.

I would be terribly dissapointed if thats what the Camaro turned out to be.

A good design should flow together from front to back, from top to side. Every part should make sense to the whole car, and look good from any angle.

On a 1 to 10, I give this a 1.</font>

DITTO!!!

Need sleeker, smaller car. The hell with retro.

I can see where some would say it has too many pieces thrown together, but I like the general shape and attitude. The rear especially looks like the '60s Corvettes. I'd probably drop the third-gen-inspired hood vents first.

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I'm with Reno on this one. Too much of a mish-mash of different past designs.
A car should carry your eye smoothly from front to back, top to bottom. This design is like running into a brick wall.
There seems to be many themes to this car; you'll be in one of them, then all of a sudden, there's a totally different one with no continuity at all thru the whole design.
The design does not flow very well.
Resharpen the pencils and try again.

Some good points and some i dont like..I think ive seen that pic before or one very similar

I dont like it...way too busy. If i wanted busy i'd buy a 1960 caddilac. Why do we need all these eye candy with the scoops and inlets which would be fake anyway. Keep the design simple and attractive thats what we have the aftermarket for. Look at design;s by Aston Martin and Jaguar....very clean and very sexy, million times better then this pontiac body cladded-monster......just my 2cents

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I like the look a lot. But one question, where are the headlights?

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Naegash:
I like the look a lot. But one question, where are the headlights?
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They are hideaway headlights, like the 69 Camaro SS/RS package.

That thing would have more fake scoops than a Mustang GT...

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Reno Leigh:
....Ted could do better with his drawing hand tied behind his back...</font>

hahahaaahhaa
Thanks for the compliment.

As for the picture in question:
It does seem to be a mish-mash of different ideas, all strewn together in a 1st gen bodystyle.
Its not bad but it does looks a bit demonic (the headlights, or lack therof).

Time for me to get crakin on some new renderings.



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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sitting Bull:
THIS is what the 5th Gen should look like!!!

http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=111800</font>

Man I opened that up and my five year old brothe ran away scared! http://web.camaross.com/bb/eek.gif It looks like robocop http://web.camaross.com/bb/frown.gif

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2 words:

conflicting geometry.

and lots of it. back to the drawing board.

Guys, I don't think it's that bad. Of course it's over-the-top. It's a concept! Fake scoops need to go. I want NO FAKE SCOOPS, GUAGES, or anything else on a 5th gen that does nothing more than clutter up the design or make it "appear" more aggressive than it really is. Just another reason why I don't like the current Stang, I'm more of a substance over style kind of guy.

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The F-body will NEVER die.

Honestly, nothing Ted has drawn on his sight can hold a candle to the Super Chevy rendering and it is CLEAR from responses here and elsewhere that 9 out of 10 readers agree.

I am interested in seeing some of Ted's new designs, when he's ready with them.

My apologies to everyone who liked this drawing.....but I really think that it is just aweful.

Beyond the fact that it has ZERO continuaty, it looks like a twelve year old drew it in study hall.

Ted runs circles around that guy!

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sitting Bull:
Honestly, nothing Ted has drawn on his sight can hold a candle to the Super Chevy rendering and it is CLEAR from responses here and elsewhere that 9 out of 10 readers agree.
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I dont know about elsewhere but here by MY math its 13 pro, 13 con, and a few middle of the road, for a total of 50-50.

If you showed this drawing to a room full of elementary school kids, you might get your 9 out of 10 response that you claim. Show it to a room of adults tho (the ones with the money to BUY the car), and of course it will be quite a different result.

This is a love it or hate it design, just like the current 4th gen. If we want 5th gen sales numbers to be where they should be, GM has to do much better than 50% like 50% dislike.

GM has plenty of time to find a 5th gen design that appeals to more people. The car has to appeal to other than 12 year old boys.

Of course I think Teds designs are better than you apparently do, but I will go further: I think Christopher Reeve could draw a better Camaro with the pencil stuck in his mouth than this latest Super Chevy drawing.

Someone on thirdgen.org said it looks like the MACH 5....and I see what he means...but of course the MACH 5 is much cooler.

If only this concept had those twin circular saws extending out of the nose and that remote control bird coming out of the hood, I think, more 12 year olds would like it.

Unless GM is looking to make a limited production car ,it won't fly. It still has the getting in, and ride height factor that kills sales today. That is a pure enthusiasts car.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Reno Leigh:
I dont know about elsewhere but here by MY math its 13 pro, 13 con, and a few middle of the road, for a total of 50-50.

If you showed this drawing to a room full of elementary school kids, you might get your 9 out of 10 response that you claim. Show it to a room of adults tho (the ones with the money to BUY the car), and of course it will be quite a different result.

This is a love it or hate it design, just like the current 4th gen. If we want 5th gen sales numbers to be where they should be, GM has to do much better than 50% like 50% dislike.

GM has plenty of time to find a 5th gen design that appeals to more people. The car has to appeal to other than 12 year old boys.

Of course I think Teds designs are better than you apparently do, but I will go further: I think Christopher Reeve could draw a better Camaro with the pencil stuck in his mouth than this latest Super Chevy drawing.

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Well, I posted this rendering on the thirdgen.org site and the response was close to 9 to 1.

I suppose it is a love or hate thing, but other than that even you know you are not approaching this in an intelligent manner.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Sitting Bull:

I suppose it is a love or hate thing, but other than that even you know you are not approaching this in an intelligent manner. </font>

Dont I know it! My IQ dropped 50 points after clicking on your link and just looking at that drawing!

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Z284ever:
Someone on thirdgen.org said it looks like the MACH 5....and I see what he means....</font>

I think you are on to something..Chim Chim drew it!

I love the back end, it looks like the 67-69.
The hood design needs work though, thoose boxy chomed hood outlets look out of place on such a sleek car. And for the love of god I hope GM gives it a stripes option...not just on anniversary models. (White with hugger orange stripes, blue with white stripes, ect).

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jrp4uc:
. I'd probably drop the third-gen-inspired hood vents first.

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Ah-hem..., if you'll look at some of the first gens you'll see that those are supposed to look more like 1st gen SS hood scoops. Oh and on the 1st gens they didn't work either so.... yeah....


By the way I absolutly love that drawing! Part of me says hell yeah on the whole thing but someone earlier posted possibly going with a 70-73 type rear look and that definatly sounds damn cool too!

Please GM give me my babies back!!! http://web.camaross.com/bb/frown.gif http://web.camaross.com/bb/frown.gif http://web.camaross.com/bb/frown.gif


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I'm gonna have to defend this artist. I have lots of drawings of concepts and current cars. There are too many people here that are being disrespectful. If you don't like the concept, fine. But don't be *****s. It's obvious to me he put a lot of time into it. Yes, the hood scoops are out of place, the back end looks like an old vette, blah blah blah. It's a concept... get over it.

Personally, I like the car... A LOT! Is it perfect? Of course not, but neither are any of the other concepts on this board. Ted is a talented artist, but even I don't like EVERYTHING he draws. All I have to ask to everyone who is being rude is... could any of you do better? Your answer shouldn't suprise you.

Some people in here should try to show a little more respect. http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

Well said, blacksix!!

The guilty know who they are http://web.camaross.com/bb/tongue.gif

I actually went to school studying Transportation Design for awhile (didn't like it;long story) and one thing an artist has to be able to handle is criticism. Just read "All Corvette's Are Red" and you'll see how poorly Chuck Jordan treated John Cafaro and the other designers. It's part of the job.
If you want to be any kind of artist, you better have a thick skin.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by HuJass:
One thing an artist has to be able to handle is criticism. Just read "All Corvette's Are Red" and you'll see how poorly Chuck Jordan treated John Cafaro and the other designers. It's part of the job.
If you want to be any kind of artist, you better have a thick skin.</font>

I can't claim to be an artist and that rendering certainly doesn't belong to me. I wish it did!

In any event, criticism for criticisms sake is useless. What is needed is "Constructive Criticism." I.e., "I like this but this other bit needs work and here is why."

To blather on about how your IQ went down just by looking at it is simply stupid and we don't need any more of that. I don't think Reno can afford a 50 point loss anyway http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

..just to add to the comments directly above:
The artist of that picture is VERY talented, and has an interesting perception of what a retro-modern Camaro might look like.
His drawing style is also lightyears above mine.

When you critique his work, focus on the vechicle, and state your likes and dislikes, rather than trashing the whole idea strait up.
It does take a lot of work to do a picture like that, and any constructive criticism will lead to even better designs from him in the future.

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god yes, I would buy that car in a split second, full MSRP if I could
afford it. *drool*

Hmm, wonder if I can get someone to fabricate some body
panels to give that look and have them fit on a thirdgen 91
Z28 :think:

Another '69 wannabe that doesn't do a thing for me. Sorry.

I like it, if it had a few more tweaks I'd actually buy it....

LoL nice find BTW

It seems too busy. Tone it down a notch, and the overall appearance would look a lot cleaner.

The guy who did this picture went to the same art school I do now, he did this picture I think a couple years ago for an art contest the school holds, I cant remember what he placed but he did well, in the top 10 or 20 I think, my memory sux. Anyhow, the first one he did was blue sittin on the beach and I sent it to someone else here on the board that posted it, I cant believe noone seems to remember that one or have mentioned it, I have the original pic of it in the mag about the contest and I would post it to show but theres probably no point, its just blue instead of silver and wouldnt be as big and as clear of a picture as the silver one. But anyhow, I dont know if anyone has seen my design for the 5th gen, its retro, mine is a lot more realistic but sorda along the same lines as his, maybe theres something about that school that makes us design retro cars I dunno, I say that becuz I did mine around the same time he did his without having seen his, then when I got the magazine about the contest with his in it, I dont have to tell you I was pissed but still happy to see other people were likin the retro look, cuz I know theres only like 5 guys on the board who admit to likin retro, and even though retro won in the design contest nobody probably remembers on that other website, and more and more people seem to be doing retro designs, and most everybody loves the way the new concept Mustang looks, thats about all I can remember that I have to say about this right now.

Originally posted by guionM
Looks like a Stingray & a '69 Camaro mated.

It reprsents the 1969 model year well, but what about the other 32 of 35 years of Camaro evolution. \

Dito.

Originally posted by Darth Xed
this is a pretty good idea of what it should look like... it is very nice looking.



sorry I will stop the bumping of this "should of been kept dead" thread............:death:

i'm bringing this back :-D anyone have a pic of this that works?

Looks a little over the top to me. I like the side profile line, but the front clip and hood needs to be altered.


what he said

Looks a little over the top to me. I like the side profile line, but the front clip and hood needs to be altered.

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My thoughts exactly.

i think they need to stop making retro vehicles. give the car a whole new look, something that hasn't been done and not profiled to look like something did 30 years ago. the cars today don't look good "retroed" like the cars used to be, they are all fiberglass and lightweight metals. old muscle cars are all solid metal!

i say give this a look a hell of a lot more agressive than the 98+ SS's and give it something in the body style, a little different than those.

For the love of.... :irk:

For the 1,267,357th time... I don't want a retro 1st gen Camaro. The 5th gen Camaro needs to be evolutionary yet tied to the Camaro's heritage... but on no certain terms should it ever be retro.

Please let it die. :rolleyes: