03 mach1 5spd vs 1bad95z

Saw a nice black mach1 on the eway thought why not.... I should be able to keep up:D crappy cell phone video but youll see i give him the go ahead wave and kept mine in over drive. I was giggling like a lil school girl when i saw his headlights. We got off at the same exit and he said it was a stock 03 and he wasnt too happy but gave me the thumbs up and "thats a bad ass car";)

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/jdizzlz28/th_03mach1vs1bad95z.jpg (http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/jdizzlz28/?action=view&current=03mach1vs1bad95z.flv)

Hmmm, I wouldn't have guessed that an LT1 with full exhaust and a few bolt ons would walk a Mach 1.

Nice job. :)

haha.I actually pulled on him really hard.It doesnt look like it cuz i was turning the phone as i was passing him but check out how my mirror was in view untill i started rotating the phone.

Hmmm, I wouldn't have guessed that an LT1 with full exhaust and a few bolt ons would walk a Mach 1.

Nice job. :)

Why? According to his sig. he's got a 300hp 'vette engine with longtubes and a bunch of small mods against a stock 305 hp car. He should have the upper hand in that race.

Why? According to his sig. he's got a 300hp 'vette engine with longtubes and a bunch of small mods against a stock 305 hp car. He should have the upper hand in that race.

When you describe it that way, it makes more sense. I glossed over the "300hp Vette engine" part for some reason (probably because it was a factory rating, which we all know is only loosely coupled to the truth) and just saw that he had an LT1 with 4-bolt mains and a couple of mods.

Mach 1s are a good match for an LS1, and I am under the impression that it takes a bit more than his list of mods to make an LT1 match an LS1.

Maybe the "300hp Vette engine" is more different from the F-body LT1 than I realize. :)

with all the little things i have done right now i can keep up with my buddies ls1 that we built with a ms4 cam,longtubes,slp loud mouth,slp intake m6,ect ect.From a roll of course.300 hp + bolt ons I should be right around 340-350 at the crank.I'm turnin mid 13's right now with launching issues,never the less it was a fun race and good feeling knowing how much he paid and how much i paid;)

From my research, there is no difference between an F-body and a vette LT1. The power rating comes from a few things:

1. The exhaust on a vette is a true dual setup.
2. The intake track is straighter in the vette.
3. The general can't have a car that has the same or a higher HP rating than the vette. :rolleyes:

I have no problem believing his story. I've never had a problem with a stock or mildly modded Mach 1...

nice. there's still nothing like the sound of a chevy 350 in kill mode.

sorry, i gotta wave the old:bs:. that video didn't show jack.

with all the little things i have done right now i can keep up with my buddies ls1 that we built with a ms4 cam,longtubes,slp loud mouth,slp intake m6,ect ect.From a roll of course.300 hp + bolt ons I should be right around 340-350 at the crank.I'm turnin mid 13's right now with launching issues,never the less it was a fun race and good feeling knowing how much he paid and how much i paid;)

This is hard to believe. That ls1 should turn mid to low 12s easy; the ls1 should put bus lengths on you unless something is wrong. You are 300hp + bolton's and the ls1 is 345hp + cam and bolton's.

This is hard to believe. That ls1 should turn mid to low 12s easy; the ls1 should put bus lengths on you unless something is wrong. You are 300hp + bolton's and the ls1 is 345hp + cam and bolton's.

Since when is a ls1 345 hp in a camaro?!?!?!???? In 1998 the z28 was rated at 305hp,where the ss had 320...2001 they upped the power rating to 315 z28 and 325 ss.You should probably do a little research before you post:eek:
As far as bull ****, it may be a crappy video but i clearly beat him.

Since when is a ls1 345 hp in a camaro?!?!?!???? In 1998 the z28 was rated at 305hp,where the ss had 320...2001 they upped the power rating to 315 z28 and 325 ss.You should probably do a little research before you post:eek:
As far as bull ****, it may be a crappy video but i clearly beat him.

I did research and many say they were underrated from the factory. Many say they actually put out 345hp. He should have 390rwhp+ He should run low 12s easy 11s with traction.

This guy made 404wrhp with bolton's and ms4http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2000-Camaro-SS-6spd-MS4_140706.htm That is a lot more than your 350 crank.

Many will say they were underrated and im not saying he isnt faster than me,one key thing you are not noticing is did i mention if he was tuned? no.I did all the work on the ls1 and my friend and i have raced probably 20 times on the eway.My car will clearly keep up with his right now.Its not like im getting on here and trying to bull **** anyone.I've got a pretty much stock car with a few bolt ons and a amazing paint job.didnt claim to have the fastest car out there.Just thought Id share a vid of it beating a mustang since im on a "camaro" forum.Also Its a z28 not an ss so your video doesnt show me anything.

SS and z28 are same motor with exception to ram air that does not do much on a dyno when the car is not moving. He really does need a tune with that large of a cam the tune will really wake it up. He cant even get into the cams top rpm because of the stock rev limiter. You guys should both get a madz28.com tune, the tune helped my car out even when it was stock. On your mustang kill though I believe its possible your lt1 pulled the mach1; I ran into one in my grand prix gt and lost by only a car length from light to light. My grand prix is a 3.8L not supercharged with exhaust, msd wires, and a Cold air intake.

NICE JOB "JC95Z".....u spanked that mach1....for some people its hard to believe u won????i dont understand???i have a buddy thats in a stang family, nothing but stangs they have a 03 cobra,02mach1,94 v6,00 gt, and a newer roush!!! ive seen the mach 1 dyno and at the wheels their pushing 296....their nice cars but a lil over rated....put in a crap driver, and u have a lt1 spanking a mach1....keep it up...

Since when is a ls1 345 hp in a camaro?!?!?!???? In 1998 the z28 was rated at 305hp,where the ss had 320...2001 they upped the power rating to 315 z28 and 325 ss.You should probably do a little research before you post:eek:.

Probably since when a full exhaust, a cam swap, and a tune picks up 100+ rwhp on an LS1 car.

:lol:

NICE JOB "JC95Z".....u spanked that mach1....for some people its hard to believe u won????i dont understand???i have a buddy thats in a stang family, nothing but stangs they have a 03 cobra,02mach1,94 v6,00 gt, and a newer roush!!! ive seen the mach 1 dyno and at the wheels their pushing 296....their nice cars but a lil over rated....put in a crap driver, and u have a lt1 spanking a mach1....keep it up...


Man you really need to get some of your facts straight before you post up.

There is no such thing as an 02 Mach 1.
They were only made in 03 & 04.
They were only rated 305/310hp at the crank so one that made 296 at the wheels would be underrated not overratted because to make that at the wheels it's making way more than 305/310hp at the crank.

ya my bad i did mean a 03 because its a zinc yellow....and by overrated i meant they get so much hype but their nothing special dont get me wrong, i like them but not my style....thanks for correcting me...just trying to give props to a fellow f-body owner for taking out a stang...!!!!! ;)

Since when is a ls1 345 hp in a camaro?!?!?!???? In 1998 the z28 was rated at 305hp,where the ss had 320...2001 they upped the power rating to 315 z28 and 325 ss.You should probably do a little research before you post:eek:

The '01 and '02 Z28s were rated 310hp, not 315.

It's widely accepted that LS1 F-bodies were massively underrated. Mine made 325hp to the wheels with just an airbox lid and a catback exhaust. I'll be generous and guess 12% driveline loss -- that's 369hp at the flywheel.

So do you think that my airbox lid and catback exhaust are adding 59hp (:freakout:) or do you think that maybe it made a little more than 310 from the factory?

The '01 and '02 Z28s were rated 310hp, not 315.

It's widely accepted that LS1 F-bodies were massively underrated. Mine made 325hp to the wheels with just an airbox lid and a catback exhaust. I'll be generous and guess 12% driveline loss -- that's 369hp at the flywheel.

So do you think that my airbox lid and catback exhaust are adding 59hp (:freakout:) or do you think that maybe it made a little more than 310 from the factory?

I guess it depends where you look for your stock horsepower ratings.
http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicles/new/reviews/2001/solo0122.html 310hp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Camaro_(fourth_generation) 315hp

So your 2 days late on trying to prove me wrong....but you didnt, did you?:D
Im also pretty sure I stated that I believe their underated. Nice job on your 59hp gain.Maybe your airfilter just needed to be changed:lol:

So your 2 days late on trying to prove me wrong....but you didnt, did you?:D
Im also pretty sure I stated that I believe their underated. Nice job on your 59hp gain.Maybe your airfilter just needed to be changed:lol:

I remember back in 1998 when the LS1 had debuted in the F-bodies, there was an article in Hot Rod magazine that showed the LS1 Vette putting down 280ish rwhp and the LS1 F-body putting down a tiny bit more (284rwhp?) due to the solid axle.

A 1998 Mustang GT put down 181rwhp. That's right at what my 3.0L BMW puts out stock.

:lol:

Just found it.

May 1998 Hot Rod Magazine Page 46

'98 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
Miles On Test Vehicle: 4,233
Engine 5.7 OHV LS1 V-8
Transmission 6M
Rated Power: 305 Hp at 5,200 rpms
335 lb-ft at 4,000 rpm

Dyno Observed Power:
292.8 Hp at 5,400 RPM
307.5 Lb-Ft At 4,400 RPM


'98 Corvette
Miles on Test Vehicle 5,237
Engine 5.7 OHV LS1 V-8
Transmission 6M
Rated Power: 345 Hp at 5,600 rpms
350 lb-ft at 4,400 rpm

Dyno Observed Power:
285.6 Hp at 5,400 RPM
301.2 lb-ft at 4,100 RPM

305 rated horsepower vs 345 rated horsepower = same results to the wheels.
(Vette has an IRS and more drivetrain loss)

That's actually pretty interesting,Id like to see what my 280hp lincoln would put down.For being such a heavy car its pretty fast.

I guess it depends where you look for your stock horsepower ratings.
http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicles/new/reviews/2001/solo0122.html 310hp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Camaro_(fourth_generation) 315hp

So your 2 days late on trying to prove me wrong....but you didnt, did you?:D
Im also pretty sure I stated that I believe their underated. Nice job on your 59hp gain.Maybe your airfilter just needed to be changed:lol:

My 325rwhp was achieved using an old, dirty, stock-style paper filter. I tried taking the filter out altogether and lost 7hp! Also, presumably, the factory rating was supposed to be with a clean filter. :)

Wikipedia is wrong in this case. It happens.

I am confused here...... 1995 lt1? 300hp? Is this your estimate? Should be 270 if you are quoting stock numbers. He should put more to the wheels with the mach1 then you make total. Granted he is better geared for a run from a stop then rolling and the car was apparently new to him. It takes a while to learn how to choose the right gears from a roll.

I am confused here...... 1995 lt1? 300hp? Is this your estimate? Should be 270 if you are quoting stock numbers. He should put more to the wheels with the mach1 then you make total. Granted he is better geared for a run from a stop then rolling and the car was apparently new to him. It takes a while to learn how to choose the right gears from a roll.

Just when i thought this thread was over....another dumb post. Stock lt1's in 95 were rated at 275hp.In 1992 the corvette was rated at 300hp and had 4 bolt mains where the camaro,trans am,firebird had 2 bolt mains.The engine in my car is from a 92 corvette so thats where i get my base 300hp before mods. So the ods of a stock mach 1 putting more to the wheels than i make total are slim to say....none.The mach 1 didnt stand a chance.Crazy the owner accepted this but you guys can't. As far as the car being new to him...I guess were even because I havent driven my car in over 4 years and it was the first week i had it put back together so its new to me too..plus i was only putting out 1.20jw from my fluxcapacitor so he had the edge.

I'm not here to compare whos is bigger,or who knows more about this or that.I raced a bone stock 03 mach 1 in my 95 camaro with bolt ons= no match. End of story.
Let me start a new topic
One of my employee's cavalier wich is 140hp stock 2.2 ecotec now supercharged and modded beating a mustang gt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4n7Ig9p6Ws

Is it me or does everytime this guy gets proved wrong he comes up with an "excuse" for lack of a better word, and get angry? Chill man, it's not like there jumping down your throat. People are just making statements.

No its when people like you post stupid things like "i got proved wrong" how did i get proved wrong? Its the fact that instead of people saying wow thats cool,or nice kill ect they say things to make them selves look cool or to make the person look wrong. So thanks for chiming in jtarp,your "statement" was greatly appreciated.:D

No its when people like you post stupid things like "i got proved wrong" how did i get proved wrong? Its the fact that instead of people saying wow thats cool,or nice kill ect they say things to make them selves look cool or to make the person look wrong. So thanks for chiming in jtarp,your "statement" was greatly appreciated.:D

Sorry, some of us were not aware of your cars history. But even then get a dyno run before claiming hp. Like I said, his car is better geared to run from a stand still. Depending on the speed you ran from that car...and mustangs in general can be tough to learn at first. He may not have known the correct gear to shift to. Congrats you beat the driver. Nothing wrong with that.

Mach 1's cant be beat. Definitely not by an LT1 are you kidding me!?!? who posts this stuff. atleast have a video or somethin! oh wait.........

nice kill. You beat the car and the driver. Cars cant race themselves.

Mach 1's cant be beat. Definitely not by an LT1 are you kidding me!?!? who posts this stuff. atleast have a video or somethin! oh wait.........

nice kill. You beat the car and the driver. Cars cant race themselves.

great way to look at it.....!!!!car's cant drive themselves!!!!so lt1 wins!!!!:yes:

I have no issues with the original poster beating a stock Mach 1. Quite feasible. But your idea that F-body LS1's really only made the rated 305-320 crank horsepower is a different story. *MOST* M6 LS1's will dyno north of 300 RWHP (SAE, Dynojet)...that's HP at the wheels. *MOST* A4's will approach that number, and some exceed it. The LS1 was seriously under-rated in the F-body.

An LS1 with bolt-ons and properly setup cam can easily be in the 400 RWHP range. Go take a look at LS1tech.com to see how some of those cars run.

thats definitely the truth. way underrated. someone was actually arguing that? :lol: