Raced an SS In my 96 Z28

I really got dusted. Bad.
I raced a dude in an SS today.He ffreaking left me like I leave a 4 cylinder.He dusted me.It was pathetic how bad he left me.Through 1st to third I was half a car length ahead I was mid shifting 4th gear and he shifted and was instantly within 1 second he was 2 car lengths ahead.
I went to 5th and he was about 6 car lengths ahead. 6th he was at least ten car lengths and steadily pulling away from me. I have never lost like that. Do the ss cars have turbo? Think it was n.o.s. ?
Are they all that damn fast ? I mean if it was n.o.s. then he wasted it on a freebee, and I am happy I was pulling him till he hit it. If it wasn't nos then he was jacking with me till he punched it.

I swear last I saw that kind of pull I was driving an 86 5.0 camaro that only had 180 hp and was racing a z28 5.7 .

What the heck happened?

An SS what??

Was it a 98-02 SS? The power output of an Z28/SS (LS1) is around 350hp net HP/360 ft-lbs. of torque. (Rated the same as in the Corvette.)

It would stand to reason that it would considerably out perform a 275hp LT1.

Camaro of course. 98-02, unsure of the differences. Nose was not like mine, spoiler had two lil stand pieces in the middle.
And i got a brief look at the ss logo lol. The pull he had was freaky amazing fast. I did not hear a turbo spool up.
Then again we where both really loud.

all the work on my car is
SLP Cold Air http://www.streetperformance.com/ART/PRODUCTS/10021383/hp21014-1.jpg
JE Pistons
6" Rods
Luk Clutch
323 rear option.
Flowmaster dual chamber single in dual out. three inch in three inch out
no cats. o2 sims.

No the 98-02 SS is not turbo'ed...

He has a different engine.

'98-'02 SS run low 13's. Your car probably runs around 14.1 et. '98+ camaros come with an LS1 engine which is more powerful then your LT1

I really got dusted. Bad.
I raced a dude in an SS today.He ffreaking left me like I leave a 4 cylinder.He dusted me.It was pathetic how bad he left me.Through 1st to third I was half a car length ahead I was mid shifting 4th gear and he shifted and was instantly within 1 second he was 2 car lengths ahead.
I went to 5th and he was about 6 car lengths ahead. 6th he was at least ten car lengths and steadily pulling away from me. I have never lost like that. Do the ss cars have turbo? Think it was n.o.s. ?
Are they all that damn fast ? I mean if it was n.o.s. then he wasted it on a freebee, and I am happy I was pulling him till he hit it. If it wasn't nos then he was jacking with me till he punched it.

I swear last I saw that kind of pull I was driving an 86 5.0 camaro that only had 180 hp and was racing a z28 5.7 .

What the heck happened?

No way to know for sure, but he could have a well tuned, header, low geared, High stall, H/C...

My car is running a mild cam, decent stall, 4.10s, headers and the obligatory bolt ons and a 50 shot; which routinely CRUSHes the later model SS's.

In the 1/8th we're taking SS' by better than a second; which would resemble the description.

his car was highly modded....ls1 is certainly stronger, but not by 10 cars in 5th gear.

No way to know for sure, but he could have a well tuned, header, low geared, High stall, H/C... .

So he got beat by a basically stock SS?

So he got beat by a basically stock SS?
LOL.

I have been reading the threads for a while.. and I have to say "lol that was good"
so I did.

but yes while I was in full acceleration he pulled away like I wasn't anything, from what I was seeing, we aren't talking no 30 hp difference, I am suggesting 200 hp difference.

Now please understand it was a Sunday, the road is 8 lanes (4 West Bound 4 East Bound) wide and no one was on the road accept us and some approaching pick up trucks a few blocks back, we actually cruised to that spot before exploding like that.. ok ,,, he fricken exploded and made it look like I merely popped.
I do live in Houston so it isn't some hick city, I have had a few races over the past 18 years of driving and owning vehicles (I am a 36, for the mathematically challenged).
I am pretty sure with the few changes to my car, I have gained atleast 15 or so Horsepower, (sorry K&N lovers and CAI Lovers, I just don't see it doing anything). So if the 98+ SS was stock, then there should only be 10-15 hp difference between us.

His acceleration had to have been equal to mine plus 1/2 mine.
If by all standards, my car should pull 14 seconds quarter mile, then he clearly was a 10-11.. Except for his launch.

Your story reminds of the day the camaro in my sig was purchased. It was mostly stock then. I raced my father in a 94z modded alote like yours. It was a long time ago but I think we raced from about a 20-30mph roll, and i recall putting about 5 or 6 cars on him by 80-90mph. :P Sooo he was probably stockish imo. ALL HAIL THE LS1!!! :lol:

So he got beat by a basically stock SS?

Possibly... given this info:

LOL.

I have been reading the threads for a while.. and I have to say "lol that was good"
so I did.

but yes while I was in full acceleration he pulled away like I wasn't anything, from what I was seeing, we aren't talking no 30 hp difference, I am suggesting 200 hp difference.

Now please understand it was a Sunday, the road is 8 lanes (4 West Bound 4 East Bound) wide and no one was on the road accept us and some approaching pick up trucks a few blocks back, we actually cruised to that spot before exploding like that.. ok ,,, he fricken exploded and made it look like I merely popped.
I do live in Houston so it isn't some hick city, I have had a few races over the past 18 years of driving and owning vehicles (I am a 36, for the mathematically challenged).
I am pretty sure with the few changes to my car, I have gained atleast 15 or so Horsepower, (sorry K&N lovers and CAI Lovers, I just don't see it doing anything). So if the 98+ SS was stock, then there should only be 10-15 hp difference between us.

His acceleration had to have been equal to mine plus 1/2 mine.
If by all standards, my car should pull 14 seconds quarter mile, then he clearly was a 10-11.. Except for his launch.

As I said... By the standards he postulated (see: above...) his stated experience would reflect what he could expect were he to run up on my basically stock LT-1-Z...

So yeah... that's what it sounds like. :)

LOL
Ok.
Cool.

that happened to me once haha. i raced an ls1 when i had my 95 and got pulled on like a mofo. i was thinking maybe nitrous or something but later found out it was a cammed ls1 that ran 11s trapped 117 or so. best i got out of my bolt on lt1 was 13.7 and a 106 trap

reminds me of the time I found myself next to a Viper on the freeway at 2 am in the morning.

By the time my car went from 60-70, he was 10 car lengths ahead and already approaching 100..

even when my SS was stock, I could outpull other Z28s on the freeway with ease. I am still in the camp the believes the ram air does help, especially at 60+ mph.

You never know what the other guy has. That's why anything can happen in a streetrace.

i still never noticed a strong difference between the 2 cars...my friend has a 1998 Z28 with a 2000 motor in it with a cam long tubes 4.10 gears through a 4 speed and from a 45 roll my LT1 6 speed walks his ass up and down...i would say i get about 1 to 1.5 cars on him...from a stop hes a freak and usually gets a good 2 or 3 car lengths but thats about it...i guess maybe my car has more than i know...Dyno trip in store i guess.

i still never noticed a strong difference between the 2 cars...my friend has a 1998 Z28 with a 2000 motor in it with a cam long tubes 4.10 gears through a 4 speed and from a 45 roll my LT1 6 speed walks his ass up and down...i would say i get about 1 to 1.5 cars on him...from a stop hes a freak and usually gets a good 2 or 3 car lengths but thats about it...i guess maybe my car has more than i know...Dyno trip in store i guess.

Your friend's car should beat you by about 10+ cars in the 1/4 and absolutely SMEAR you from a roll and go high 11s-low 12s @ 115-118mph. My LS1 car went nearly 117 mph in the 1/4 with a cam, longtubes, and 4.10s. Your car should go around 105-106 mph @ low 13s -- about as fast as a near stock LS1.

Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with your friends car or he can't drive at ALL. Using your friend's car as a gauge to measure LS1s is a terrible idea.

You probably raced an LS1 with exhaust and a CAI.

Mike

i still never noticed a strong difference between the 2 cars...my friend has a 1998 Z28 with a 2000 motor in it with a cam long tubes 4.10 gears through a 4 speed and from a 45 roll my LT1 6 speed walks his ass up and down...i would say i get about 1 to 1.5 cars on him...from a stop hes a freak and usually gets a good 2 or 3 car lengths but thats about it...i guess maybe my car has more than i know...Dyno trip in store i guess.

BULLSHTTT no way a cammed LS1 gets beat by a LT1, dude ur lying or ur boys Ls1 is running on 6 cylinders

i whipped LT1 camaros by 5 lengths all day with my z28 bone stock, and my T/A when all it had was a exhaust.

my buddy has a "360rwhp" Lt1 (supposably) Lt's ,heads, etc. and my cammed Ls1 still pullls him so hard its not funny

here we go again with the old LT1 vs LS1 pissing match. enough already.... anything can happen on the street.

Not to toot my own horn, but I have raced a 2000+ Trans am ( funny front end big fricken hood) and it was neck and neck all the way through the quarter, of course I fall puttery short in third gear and he pulled on me a bit, but at fifth gear and quarter's end, his nose was at my door.
Racing that SS camaro I thought would be similar I hit third and he yanked on me so bad and put car lengths between us. Never saw such a thing in this car. I did not know those speed where possible.
So I am just wondering what is so dang special about the SS camaro. First one yet, and it left me looking really stupid.

Not to toot my own horn, but I have raced a 2000+ Trans am ( funny front end big fricken hood) and it was neck and neck all the way through the quarter, of course I fall puttery short in third gear and he pulled on me a bit, but at fifth gear and quarter's end, his nose was at my door.
Racing that SS camaro I thought would be similar I hit third and he yanked on me so bad and put car lengths between us. Never saw such a thing in this car. I did not know those speed where possible.
So I am just wondering what is so dang special about the SS camaro. First one yet, and it left me looking really stupid.


Is everyone here completely retarded? My God this is some of the dumbest **** I have ever read in my life.

Why the HELL are you going to 5th in the 1/4, and trying to race people on the street in 5th and 6th?


He probably walked you like that because he actually knows how to drive.


And the LS1 vs LT1 **** is comical. Some of you lsx clowns need to pull your heads out of your asses and go do a little RESEARCH about what a good running LT1 is capable of. Not a lot of difference btw a good heads/cam LT and LS.

Stock, yes the LS runs better. It should for cryin out loud. Way better flowing 15 degree heads, better cam, better tuning / engine management better induction, shorty headers from the factory etc etc etc.

Damn, I feel dumber from just reading all this useless drivel.

^^^^ :lol::lol::bow:

this just what i was thinking... 5th gear in the quarter? a 3.8 camaro would... wait nono better yet... a civic would pull on you! wtf are you in 5th for

And the LS1 vs LT1 **** is comical. Some of you lsx clowns need to pull your heads out of your asses and go do a little RESEARCH about what a good running LT1 is capable of. Not a lot of difference btw a good heads/cam LT and LS.

Stock bottom end, NATURALLY ASPIRATED LS1s have gone MID 9s You LT1 clowns are delusional.


Damn, I feel dumber from just reading all this useless drivel.

Then don't add to it.

Stock bottom end, NATURALLY ASPIRATED LS1s have gone MID 9s You LT1 clowns are delusional.



Then don't add to it.

:lol:

Stock bottom end, NATURALLY ASPIRATED LS1s have gone MID 9s You LT1 clowns are delusional.


i have an ls-based car and an lt-based car. would love to see evidence of this 9 second ls1 car on stock bottom end naturally aspirated.

Guys, you're forgetting that LS1's can't be beaten. I mean, there's no way a NATURALLY ASPIRATED 388 LT1 could run within .05 seconds in the quarter mile of a 383 NITROUS LS1 in the FINALS of the POWER ADDER CLASS at the LSX SHOOTOUT. Oh wait, that did happen.

Stock bottom end, NATURALLY ASPIRATED LS1s have gone MID 9s You LT1 clowns are delusional.



Then don't add to it.

What kind of gutted pos tuna can was that in?

How about 9.5's @ 142 in a FULL WEIGHT car.

ALL MOTOR

NO POWER ADDERS

PUMP GAS

LT1

What do you say to that BOY?

Oh, and what's the fastest T-56 6 speed F body in the world right now BOY?

Just in case you havent been out of the den of fags called lsx world to see, its an LT1.

Wanna know what the fastest BOLT ON ONLY LT1 is? Deep into the 11's

I could go on and on.

This and the post above it should suffice nicely though.


Truth is the LSX is an AWESOME platform, but it's people like you who give it a bad name.

the den of fags

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's hilarious :D

Look. It's all good. We can talk about race-cars all day long, but the truth of the matter is that platform vs. platform, the LSX has more potential to the average person buying average parts. When you talk about averages, it takes an LT1 a level more than an LS1 to make the same power (cam vs bolt-ons, heads/cam vs cam, etc) --- we aren't talking about freak cars or high $$$$ builds with hours and hours of time invested.

FYI, the LS1 bolt-on record is around 10.80s and the cam-only record is in the 10.20s. The heads/cam record is around 9.80 @ 134ish.

I've also had both cars (a 396 stroker LT1 at that) and I feel that the LS1 is a superior platform by far.

;)

What kind of gutted pos tuna can was that in?

Do a little RESEARCH.

How about 9.5's @ 142 in a FULL WEIGHT car
ALL MOTOR

NO POWER ADDERS

PUMP GAS

LT1


That's fantastic. This was a 350" motor right? No? Nice try though. But anyway, the LSx platform has seen MUCH faster than that. NA LSx motors have pushed over 1000HP. LT1? Didn't think so...

Oh, and what's the fastest T-56 6 speed F body in the world right now BOY?

NOT an LT1. Taner has a long way to go, BOY.

Wanna know what the fastest BOLT ON ONLY LT1 is? Deep into the 11's

That's stupendous!! You've got a full half second to go to run with the big boys.

I could go on and on.

Truth is the LSX is an AWESOME platform

Finally, some truth in your post!

but it's people like you who give it a bad name.

No. It's guys like me who point out the cold hard facts, and guys like you with a false sense of reality get all upset and start pointing fingers and name calling. I was a SBC guy long before I picked up my LS1 car.

Have a nice day, BOY! :lol:

Weak

I have a 96 z28 with only a computer tune and a shift kit and i run a 13.55. the ss definatly wasnt stock or you wouldnt have gotten beaten that bad.

Do a little RESEARCH.



That's fantastic. This was a 350" motor right? No? Nice try though. But anyway, the LSx platform has seen MUCH faster than that. NA LSx motors have pushed over 1000HP. LT1? Didn't think so...



NOT an LT1. Taner has a long way to go, BOY.



That's stupendous!! You've got a full half second to go to run with the big boys.

I could go on and on.



Finally, some truth in your post!



No. It's guys like me who point out the cold hard facts, and guys like you with a false sense of reality get all upset and start pointing fingers and name calling. I was a SBC guy long before I picked up my LS1 car.

Have a nice day, BOY! :lol:

don't really see the joke here, but ok.

btw, still waiting on evidence of the 9 second stock bottom end naturally aspirated ls1.

btw, still waiting on evidence of the 9 second stock bottom end naturally aspirated ls1.

Not familiar with Google?

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/gm-performance-parts-lsx-shootout/1195003-texas-speed-new-na-stock-bottom-end-heads-cam-record-9-66-a.html

Not familiar with Google?

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/gm-performance-parts-lsx-shootout/1195003-texas-speed-new-na-stock-bottom-end-heads-cam-record-9-66-a.html

an internet board post by a retailer of speed parts does not make for evidence. i saw no video or photographic evidence of 9.xx.

car also weighs like 2800 pounds. not familiar with the theory of relativity?

an internet board post by a retailer of speed parts does not make for evidence. i saw no video or photographic evidence of 9.xx.

car also weighs like 2800 pounds. not familiar with the theory of relativity?

Jesus Kraest. This car ran at the LSx shootout. THOUSANDS of people watched it happen, live. Dozens of skeptics scoured over the car and nobody called BS. Need a video, seriously? Will a 9.82 do for now? http://www.precisionracecomponents.com/982pass.wmv

Who cares what it weighed? Put your best heads/cam LT1 in that car and it would struggle to hit mid 10s, like those in the past.

OH the everlasting lt1 ls1 pissing match , if ur a real diehard gear head / chevy guy then u should be glad that both motors do well:p

Jesus Kraest. This car ran at the LSx shootout. THOUSANDS of people watched it happen, live. Dozens of skeptics scoured over the car and nobody called BS. Need a video, seriously? Will a 9.82 do for now? http://www.precisionracecomponents.com/982pass.wmv

Who cares what it weighed? Put your best heads/cam LT1 in that car and it would struggle to hit mid 10s, like those in the past.

i have cars with lt and ls motors so i am partial to neither. agree that the vid shows a 9.xx but i still have by doubts that that car's mods were as described - even at 2800 pounds

i have cars with lt and ls motors so i am partial to neither. agree that the vid shows a 9.xx but i still have by doubts that that car's mods were as described - even at 2800 pounds

I doubt you own either a G8 or that you ever owned an LT1 car. Your sig isn't proof enough.

The car in question has been looked over by competitors of that shop just salivating for some shred of evidence to call BS. It's legit. Why don't you believe it? There are numerous other stock displacement naturally aspirated LS1 cars running 9s.

i kinda find it hard to belive unless there running alcohol or leaded with nitro in the fuel ,but ya never know with alot of weight loss im sure it could happen but that thing would have to have tube everything and stripped down completly , anyone got pics or vids or this said beast of a ls1?

Come on guys... Allan Futral (I know him personally) of Futral Motorsports ran a 9.95 @ 136 on 347 pump gas cubes (.005" honed LS6 block to change the pistons) LS1 with a SIX SPEED.... like 5 years ago... on LS6 heads.. not the fancy things they have out these days. :D

PICS
http://futralmotorsports.com/images/fms_ss/

VID
http://futralmotorsports.com/images/videos/FMS995.mpeg

Come on guys... Allan Futral (I know him personally) of Futral Motorsports ran a 9.95 @ 136 on 347 pump gas cubes (.005" honed LS6 block to change the pistons) LS1 with a SIX SPEED.... like 5 years ago... on LS6 heads.. not the fancy things they have out these days. :D

PICS
http://futralmotorsports.com/images/fms_ss/

VID
http://futralmotorsports.com/images/videos/FMS995.mpeg

We were refering to a STOCK BOTTOM END LS1 vs LT1
A honed LS6 block with aftermarket pistons and LS6 heads is not a H/C LS1. It's more along the lines of a Forged/Built LS6.

There are 355 N/A LT1's running 9's too(or should I say LT1 based engines, just like this modded LS6 you're refering to). And if there is someone that is really going to bitch about the 8ci's they need to get a life.

u guys are crazy fighting over this. just one or two people run down the other car and alot go nuts. both camaros. it comes down to how deep ur pockets are on just about any car really. from the factory the ls1 is a lil faster on top end. if u give the better flowing heads and cam to the lt1 to match the ls1 there really isnt much of a difference. people knock on hondas all the time cuz its a 4 banger or any other so called ricer but like i said with a deep pocket those things run lower single digits all day long. u guys are doing to each other that most of us do to the mustangs in comparing. they are all good motors for there size and power and year made.

We were refering to a STOCK BOTTOM END LS1 vs LT1
A honed LS6 block with aftermarket pistons and LS6 heads is not a H/C LS1. It's more along the lines of a Forged/Built LS6.

There are 355 N/A LT1's running 9's too(or should I say LT1 based engines, just like this modded LS6 you're refering to). And if there is someone that is really going to bitch about the 8ci's they need to get a life.

Ummm.. Hello? That was an example of 5 YEARS AGO - to clarify some things --- Texas Speed has a heads/cam car (stock internals) that just went 9s. Do some research ;)

Ummm.. Hello? That was an example of 5 YEARS AGO - to clarify some things --- Texas Speed has a heads/cam car (stock internals) that just went 9s. Do some research ;)

my quotes had nothing to do with doing any research... you brought up a built LS6 engine with forged internals to refute someones point regarding a stock bottom end LS1

I love how the LS1 camp continually tries to speak of the superiority of their engine when it's been proven that the LT1 can be modded to be just as fast IN MOST SCENARIOS. I simply stated that pretty much stock cube LT1's can run 9's. Like the other guy said, it's all about deep pockets. Throw a single plane intake manifold and a set of converted 15 degree heads on an LT1 and there's no longer a noticeable gap.

Texas Speed has a heads/cam car (stock internals) that just went 9s. Do some research ;)

my quotes had nothing to do with doing any research

Exactly. :lol:

I doubt you own either a G8 or that you ever owned an LT1 car. Your sig isn't proof enough.

muhahahahahaaaaa!!! really now? would you like me scan a copy of my vin's and titles for you??? grow up.....there are many members on this board including myself who own cars with both motors.

Not familiar with Google?

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/gm-performance-parts-lsx-shootout/1195003-texas-speed-new-na-stock-bottom-end-heads-cam-record-9-66-a.html

It's not surprising they broke into the 9's though. Companies have been throwing R&D money at this engine platform for 14 model years. The car weighed 2860 with the driver (a direct quote from texas speed). Meaning the car really weighed most likely 269x.
IMO, here's a good comparison. a 370ci LT1 (yes I know it has more cubes) running factory lt1 heads, not some super high-tech aftermarket 227cc heads, and weighing in at roughly 300lbs more than the car you mentioned. Ran 9.7 @ 138. Factory LT1 heads, extra 300lbs, and that was done years ago.

a 370ci LT1 (yes I know it has more cubes)

There is ALOT more to that than just an additional 24 ci. The LS1 car in question has a stock block, crank, rods, pistons, rings, etc. Using a built shortblock can free up a **** ton of power. There is a great deal of power to be found in windage, ring setup, bearing tolerances and rotating assembly materials and design. Moreso than the just the benefit of the additional displacement. Find me the quickest stock shortblock LT1 and try again.

14 years of R&D? Really? What about the 55 years of R&D the SBC/LT1?

foxbat - VINs and titles aren't proof enough. Anybody can photoshop. Isn't it aggravating when someone throws your own flawed reasoning back at you?

Degraded.