Thank you Cheryl Pilcher !!!

I personally would like to thank you for jumping through so many
hoops for the F designation which means so much
to so many people :bow:


2G1F<---- Thank you Cheryl :bow:

And trust me, it was a fight at times to make sure it stayed in there.

It is more than greatly appreciated :) :bow:

Just curious... why do you care so much?

I get that it's cool that it's still technically an "F body", but I don't see why it means so much to so many people. What's the appeal?

Pedigree. History. Respect for the F-Body heritage. To me that is a NO brainer.

Continuity. For me, it's the F-Body that I like, I don't pick a favorite between the Camaro or Firebird. F-Body takes on a greater meaning since it encompasses both of my fav cars. It's been an F-body since 1967, and it's so nice to see it continue that way. So even though we don't have a Firebird, it's a nice tribute that the new Camaro keeps an "F" designation.

I think it's a nice touch and cool for nostalgia but an F in the VIN doesn't make it an F-body.

I think it's a nice touch and cool for nostalgia but an F in the VIN doesn't make it an F-body.

mmmmaaahhh........Actually it does.:yes:

I agree , without the F in there its not an "F" car.

Too bad we'll never see a new Firebird again since Pontiac is out.

And trust me, it was a fight at times to make sure it stayed in there.

Any particular reason why? You wouldn't think it'd be THAT big of a deal to decide on what body code to give a car in the VIN.

Semantics/technicalities. Would any of you enjoy the car any less if it didn't have an F in the VIN?

Sure, it's a nice touch, but it's not like the car would be any different if a different letter were used :shrug:

As long as we're all happy, that's what matters :D

Pedigree. History. Respect for the F-Body heritage. To me that is a NO brainer.
That depends on your definition of pedigree. :p
Continuity. For me, it's the F-Body that I like, I don't pick a favorite between the Camaro or Firebird. F-Body takes on a greater meaning since it encompasses both of my fav cars. It's been an F-body since 1967, and it's so nice to see it continue that way. So even though we don't have a Firebird, it's a nice tribute that the new Camaro keeps an "F" designation.
F-body had nothing to do with the VIN actually.
I agree , without the F in there its not an "F" car.

Oh really?
I think it's a nice touch and cool for nostalgia but an F in the VIN doesn't make it an F-body.
We have us a winner! :D

Considering this new Camaro gets most of its influence from the first generation Camaros, particularly 1968-69... those of you who insist on an "F" in the VIN makes it an F-body for "heritage" reasons might be interested to know that there never was an F in the VIN of any 1967-69 Camaro.

In 1967-69, the VIN either had an L or an N... not F... not even on the Trim tag. :p

We have us a winner! :D

Considering this new Camaro gets most of its influence from the first generation Camaros, particularly 1968-69... those of you who insist on an "F" in the VIN makes it an F-body for "heritage" reasons might be interested to know that there never was an F in the VIN of any 1967-69 Camaro.

In 1967-69, the VIN either had an L or an N... not F... not even on the Trim tag. :p

Yea I think some of the misconception is between the GM platform the car is based on and its' VIN number. F-body (Camaro/Firebird) is just GM's designated 2 door, 2+2 seat, RWD platform (architecture) for the first 35 years of existence. The 5th Gen is on the Zeta platform.

Again I think it's a nice touch but adding an F to the VIN of the 5th Gen doesn't change the platform. It's still based on Zeta.

Really I don't see what the big deal is as we are just lucky to have the car back on any platform.

3rd gens don't have an f in the vin either in reference to the platform. the F in the vin is more of a substitute for the platform not being called the f-car/ f-body rather than a continuation. I just think it's awesome that enthusiasts have enough input and pull to influence the designation in the VIN! It isn't moving mountains, but it's still pretty cool.

3rd gens don't have an f in the vin either in reference to the platform. the F in the vin is more of a substitute for the platform not being called the f-car/ f-body rather than a continuation. I just think it's awesome that enthusiasts have enough input and pull to influence the designation in the VIN! It isn't moving mountains, but it's still pretty cool.

My 3d gens vin starts with "1G1FP..." The "FP" indicates the body type.

Pointless. No matter how much I like the car there really isn't any "heritage" anymore. But hopefully this new car will make it's own.

Pointless. No matter how much I like the car there really isn't any "heritage" anymore.

I think that can be argued

Main Entry:
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Date:
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2 a: something transmitted by or acquired from a predecessor : legacy, inheritance
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3rd gens don't have an f in the vin either in reference to the platform. the F in the vin is more of a substitute for the platform not being called the f-car/ f-body rather than a continuation. I just think it's awesome that enthusiasts have enough input and pull to influence the designation in the VIN! It isn't moving mountains, but it's still pretty cool.


from 1985 on they do!


IT is a big deal to some -- and while this car IS Zeta -- it still has a letter designator -- and that's why it was so important to get "F" in the 2G1F.....

(2) GM of Canada
(G) General Motors
(1) Chevrolet
(F) Vehicle line

You must always honor the past.........esp. when it comes to a hallowed name such as Camaro.......

Unfortunately the model numbers had been 'baked' once we brought this issue up -- and it was too late to change them -- that's why they are 1E*37.......

^ ^ Scott, there's "something" missing in your signature!!! :think:

W.T.F.? :p

^ ^ Scott, there's "something" missing in your signature!!! :think:

W.T.F.? :p



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I see a pretty picture of 3 really nice cars, except none of them are a 5th-gen Camaro ;) ..... I think you need to update that picture!! :thumb:

I see a pretty picture of 3 really nice cars, except none of them are a 5th-gen Camaro ;) ..... I think you need to update that picture!! :thumb:



ahhhh!!!! True -- that picture is at least three years old -- was taken in "Mom" Settlemire's driveway -- The Silver Convert. is my "Z7D" Brickyard 400 --- the yellow Z06 was a company car -- and the Red/Silver T-top is Mom's.......

Guess I need to get Thor to Mars and get another pic. taken!

Fixed for now! :cool: Better? :D :cz28:

For those who are not familiar with it, the image is called "Camaro Lesson" and the book Scott is reading is titled "Mustang Humiliation". We took that image when we were doing our 2010 Camaro Test Drive (http://www.camaroz28.com/articles/2010camaroroadtest/). Scott is kinda brilliant at coming up with stuff like that.

Larger version of the image is here:
http://www.camaroz28.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1898

Fixed for now! :cool: Better? :D :cz28:

For those who are not familiar with it, the image is called "Camaro Lesson" and the book Scott is reading is titled "Mustang Humiliation". We took that image when we were doing our 2010 Camaro Test Drive (http://www.camaroz28.com/articles/2010camaroroadtest/). Scott is kinda brilliant at coming up with stuff like that.

Larger version of the image is here:
http://www.camaroz28.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1898

I love it! They look like two eager young students ready to get out into the real world. :cool: (I've seen the pic before, but needed to comment.)

F-body had nothing to do with the VIN actually.



Yes, F started as just the name for the platform, but as Scott pointed out above, it did become part of the VIN in the mid 80s. I just like the nod to the F body heritage of having the F in the VIN.

In any event, there are clearly a great number of us who like the "F" VIN. And if you don't like it, it doesn't really impact you one way or another. So we're happy, you're unaffected, and life goes on.

Yes, F started as just the name for the platform, but as Scott pointed out above, it did become part of the VIN in the mid 80s.So for exactly 1/2 of the Camaro's existence prior to the new 2010 Camaro, there was an "F" in the VIN and for the first half of its existence there wasn't. Again I ask, is it really that big of a deal? When you consider that no Camaro ever had a "B" pillar prior to this one, I think its all small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. :p

When you consider that no Camaro ever had a "B" pillar prior to this one

Ummm, 4th gens have B-pillars.

Actually, 5th gens do too -- it's just at the back of the car. :p (Pillars are labeled in order from front to back, regardless of location.)

So for exactly 1/2 of the Camaro's existence prior to the new 2010 Camaro, there was an "F" in the VIN and for the first half of its existence there wasn't. Again I ask, is it really that big of a deal? When you consider that no Camaro ever had a "B" pillar prior to this one, I think its all small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. :p

But for all of the 1967-2002 run, the Camaro and Firebird were on the F-body platform.

It's both a big deal and a small deal. Big deal - Camaro, Firebird & F-Body have always been one in the same.

Small deal - it's just a letter on the VIN - and it's awesome that Cheryl Pilcher worked so hard for us on such a small detail.

Fixed for now! :cool: Better? :D :cz28:

For those who are not familiar with it, the image is called "Camaro Lesson" and the book Scott is reading is titled "Mustang Humiliation". We took that image when we were doing our 2010 Camaro Test Drive (http://www.camaroz28.com/articles/2010camaroroadtest/). Scott is kinda brilliant at coming up with stuff like that.

Larger version of the image is here:
http://www.camaroz28.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1898

Honestly.. I don't like it ;)... Camaro doesn't need a lesson on it... It's in it's genes.