Sorry, but I really need to rant for a moment...

Jason = :rant:

First, there is a 2010 Camaro on eBay for a starting bid of $44,000 and a "Buy it Now" of a staggering $55,000.

Wrong, just wrong. I hope it gets not one bid.

Second....

Also on eBay, there is a 2010 Camaro brochure that I do not expect to be hard to get a hold of in a few days or less...

However, this is in the description...


2010 CAMARO SALES BROCHURE-LIMITED EDITION
...
NOT YET AVAILABLE

LIMITED AVAILABILITY!

This is a dealer only (item) and is already HARD TO GET! This may be the last year the Camaro is produced...GET IT WHILE IT LASTS

All of it is tripe, but the "last year" part really takes the cake Are you freaking kidding me??? It is misinformation like this that gets people worked up, gives them the wrong idea, and is generally scummy in practice.

Sorry, just had to cut loose for a moment. If you find these auctions, please do not send them hate mail or anything, it will only let them know that their BS is getting attention. Just agree that they suck and think happy thoughts...like the Camaros are arriving at dealerships!! :thumb:

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you about the auction. If they can make some money off of the sale of a vehicle, good for them.

But I do agree about the brochure.

B

dammit, I just bought the brochure :mad:

Totally agree on the Camaro brochure. I read another listing on ebay that said, "Get the Camaro brochure before GM goes out of business!" I saw red.:mad:

Just looked. Thought the $200 Camaro "Portrait" was pretty funny.

B

Same story here with Monaro, JasonD.

People are trying to sell their cars on the premise that Monaro will never again be built... we are seeing used car values soar beyond Monaro's RRP at the time. The reality is that most were being sold at 10-20% below RRP!!!

Just looked. Thought the $200 Camaro "Portrait" was pretty funny.

B

you mean the one for $199 that says "Extremely Limited!!!!" yet there's another one out there with 3 bids on it selling for $30?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

I received 3 of the "$15" brochures in the mail earlier this month from my local dealers, maybe I should post 2 of them and mark each of them "one of a kind" so I can jack the price up to $150 each

Jason = :rant:

First, there is a 2010 Camaro on eBay for a starting bid of $44,000 and a "Buy it Now" of a staggering $55,000.

Wrong, just wrong. I hope it gets not one bid.

Second....

Also on eBay, there is a 2010 Camaro brochure that I do not expect to be hard to get a hold of in a few days or less...

However, this is in the description...


All of it is tripe, but the "last year" part really takes the cake Are you freaking kidding me??? It is misinformation like this that gets people worked up, gives them the wrong idea, and is generally scummy in practice.

Sorry, just had to cut loose for a moment. If you find these auctions, please do not send them hate mail or anything, it will only let them know that their BS is getting attention. Just agree that they suck and think happy thoughts...like the Camaros are arriving at dealerships!! :thumb:

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you about the auction. If they can make some money off of the sale of a vehicle, good for them...

B

Ya know...

That's the sort of outrage I felt when I started that "Homework Assignment" thread asking members for their experience regarding local Camaro dealer scalping.

What 96SSConv#2033 said was sort of the reaction we got from certain key people that got threads closed. :lol:

Refuse Camaro Markups!

I wonder if people know you can request a brochure for FREE from Chevy's website? I got mine in 4 days.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Scare tactics still work in sales. Sad but true.

Everybody go into the question/comments section in the ad and type.
"Very hard to get, I have 2 myself."

Man... why you gotta hate on my auctions? :(

Jason = :rant:

First, there is a 2010 Camaro on eBay for a starting bid of $44,000 and a "Buy it Now" of a staggering $55,000.

Wrong, just wrong. I hope it gets not one bid.


If its a dealer and not an individual you could always list them as a dealer that is marking them up here :D I definately like the idea of listed "perfered" dealers and Crap dealers sorted by state. If you guys and Camaro5 share data on dealers all the better. Sorry in advance if youve already done this...

I bought a PS3 right after thanksgiving a few years ago and sold it right away for $1400 (I only had to sit in a line 3am till 7am). I bought another PS3 by Christmas for MSRP, and a X360, and had some money left over :) I wonder how many people have beenie babies sitting around that cost them thousands but are now worthless?

Hal

..."This is a dealer only (item) and is already HARD TO GET! This may be the last year the Camaro is produced...GET IT WHILE IT LASTS"...

A salesman at a local dealer tried to tell me this regarding the SS: one year only, limited production, I'd better shell out $5K to him right now or I would lose my chance forever.
I did not fall for it. But apparently some do; he told me he had about 15 people who had given him the money.

I went to another dealer and was told if I did not pay over MSRP there was no way I would ever get one.

I'm taking my chances. If these guys aren't being more reasonable and realistic and honest in a few months I may have to go out of state.

I'm taking my chances. If these guys aren't being more reasonable and realistic and honest in a few months I may have to go out of state.

That's what I did....the internet is a wonderful thing. Don't wait a few months to make that decision, though. Even if they come down in a few months, they're giving you a line of bull now. Buy from someone who isn't marking up and make sure they know why they lost the sale. The way I look at it is that they want my money. They compete for me, they're not doing me any favors. The person with the best numbers wins (with a little leeway for good service), and that goes for financing as well as dealerships. No one says we have to shop locally, be it for a loan or a car. Unfortunately, there are people who will pay..and it will be a pain in our butts to deal with.

Refuse Camaro Markups!

Agreed with Ceiling Mod. :yes:

Unfortunately, this scenario is as old as the hills. Seems like every time a desireable new model of any car (new Camaro, GT500, Z06 vettes, and on back for 20 years) comes along, there are always dealers who charge as much as they can until supply meets demand. The reason they keep doing it is that there are usually people willing to pay extra to be the first to have one, and the economy / GM instability is just another excuse. It's dumb enough on limited production cars, but I really never understood it on volume produced cars (05 Mustang, for example). With the 05 Stang, dealers were offering discounts within a year.

Owners that are convinced that their cars will be "collectible" and will somehow not depreciate (Ref recent GT500, Z06, etc) add to the issue.

They best way you can express you disapproval if you don't agree with these tactics is to vote with your wallet. Buy from a dealer that dosen't gouge and let the rip off dealers know the choice you made.

+1

That's what I was getting at.

I will say that I have no problem whatsoever with making a profit...if people are willing to pay, take them to the cleaners. No one's forcing them to pay markups. This limited edition / low production fear mongering needs to stop, though.

Owners that are convinced that their cars will be "collectible" and will somehow not depreciate (Ref recent GT500, Z06, etc) add to the issue.

Yea, thats something I would like to rant about. People that buy a car based on depreciation..... Its almost always going to lose value, so buy it for the cause.

Jason = :rant:

First, there is a 2010 Camaro on eBay for a starting bid of $44,000 and a "Buy it Now" of a staggering $55,000.

Wrong, just wrong. I hope it gets not one bid.

Second....

Also on eBay, there is a 2010 Camaro brochure that I do not expect to be hard to get a hold of in a few days or less...

However, this is in the description...


All of it is tripe, but the "last year" part really takes the cake Are you freaking kidding me??? It is misinformation like this that gets people worked up, gives them the wrong idea, and is generally scummy in practice.

Sorry, just had to cut loose for a moment. If you find these auctions, please do not send them hate mail or anything, it will only let them know that their BS is getting attention. Just agree that they suck and think happy thoughts...like the Camaros are arriving at dealerships!! :thumb:

Jason also Ebay does have standards. Remember the "Places in line" that were being sold in 2006 with pics of the concept and Camaro renderings? I got a hold of Ebay and got them removed because Ebay doesnt sell services and for products you do buy from sellers need to be delivered within like 3-6 months if I remember correctly. I contacted Ebay via chat and the representative also thanked me for helping point this out.

Point is if the seller is lying, there may be something in Ebays policy that doesnt allow it to protect the buyers. If so, we(us camaro nuts) may actually be able to do something about it in the way of helping Ebay Identify it because it looks bad for them also....

same :mad: feelings here over markups. remember going to clear lake dodge back in november to look at challengers. only to take a peek. the dealer then started pressuring me to buy. and kept on pushing the issue. they insisted that the 5k$ markup was a bargain to have a real muscle car.:lol:
fast forward to yesterday when a dealer called me about preordering a camaro from them. the conversation was good up until the point the sales manager said that he is marking up the sticker 5-10k$ on the camaros. at that point i said have a nice day , and hung up the phone. luckily mines on order with a dealer for 200$ over invoice.:cool:

same :mad: feelings here over markups. remember going to clear lake dodge back in november to look at challengers. only to take a peek. the dealer then started pressuring me to buy. and kept on pushing the issue. they insisted that the 5k$ markup was a bargain to have a real muscle car.:lol:
....:cool:
Last year the local Dodge dealer wanted $5K over MSRP for an SRT8 Challenger. Right now there is one on his lot advertised for $6k under MSRP. I have a suspicion the same thing may happen with Camaro.

Last year the local Dodge dealer wanted $5K over MSRP for an SRT8 Challenger. Right now there is one on his lot advertised for $6k under MSRP. I have a suspicion the same thing may happen with Camaro.

This totally depends on the state of the economy. Once all of the excitement calms down from the enthusiasts(ie 14k + preorders) then the life of the car will depend on your average car buyer to start buying the car.
If they got the money then they will. So lets hope the economy starts
heating up soon. :)

One dealer in NJ has 2 Camaros listed on ebay, both with 6 speed manuals. one has a buy it now price of $44,900 and the others is $47,900. In the ebay listing it says "6 speed manual transmission (This Transmission is used in Corvettes)" If I'm not mistaken Corvettes have transaxels. I sent a message pointing this out and the reply I got was "I read an article that stated the 6 speed transmission is the one used in Vetts" Shouldn't a dealer know whats in the car he is selling?

One dealer in NJ has 2 Camaros listed on ebay, both with 6 speed manuals. one has a buy it now price of $44,900 and the others is $47,900. In the ebay listing it says "6 speed manual transmission (This Transmission is used in Corvettes)" If I'm not mistaken Corvettes have transaxels. I sent a message pointing this out and the reply I got was "I read an article that stated the 6 speed transmission is the one used in Vetts" Shouldn't a dealer know whats in the car he is selling?
I dont know how many dealers youve talked to but everyone Ive ever talked to was full of it and then some dont ever believe what someone who is trying to get into your wallet has to tell you they only want your money and if they were car savvy they would be in the back working on them not up front hustling ;)

Last year the local Dodge dealer wanted $5K over MSRP for an SRT8 Challenger. Right now there is one on his lot advertised for $6k under MSRP. I have a suspicion the same thing may happen with Camaro.

same story here too. now those same cars that were so hot they would be gone in a day are still sitting on that lot rotting away 6 months later .:yes:

To me, it's the same thing as paying $4 for a coke or $6 for a beer at a ball game. I just refuse to pay it if it's not a good deal, or unless I really want it bad. I don't think paying a big markup is going to buy exclusivity for too long, though. There was a bunch of that going on when I bought my Corvette, and I ended up buying from a place out of town.

same story here too. now those same cars that were so hot they would be gone in a day are still sitting on that lot rotting away 6 months later .:yes:

The Camaro will probably follow along the same road, but hope not.

You know what's really funny about this entire thread??!

I created a thread (the "Homework") thread that simply asked members to relate their own experiences with dealers in their area over their tactics over the Camaro.

It was an innocent effort to judge if the dealer scalping that was taking place here in the San Francisco bay area was unique.

The thread garnered some responses (and even named dealers) that were treating the Camaro as another new car, without big schemes or big markups.

But... because of pressure from outside from GM who's opinion was that dealers should be free to charge what the market will bear, there are no tools whatsoever to influence dealers, and that the public should simply buy elsewhere... got that thread closed.

Yet.....

Here we are....with a thread.... whose posts are nothing but dealer rip-off stories. Far more in both number and severity than were posted on the thread I started.

And at least I asked for factual first hand stories, and explained why... and kept an open mind and was genuinely looking (or hoping) for favorable stories and mentioned my belief that Chevrolet dealers as a whole were far more reasonable than my experience with Pontiac dealers.

Just goes to show you....

....if something IS an issue, I guess you simply can't sweep it under the rug and try to make it go away. :shrug:

You know what's really funny about this entire thread??!

I created a thread (the "Homework") thread that simply asked members to relate their own experiences with dealers in their area over their tactics over the Camaro.

It was an innocent effort to judge if the dealer scalping that was taking place here in the San Francisco bay area was unique.

The thread garnered some responses (and even named dealers) that were treating the Camaro as another new car, without big schemes or big markups.

But... because of pressure from outside from GM who's opinion was that dealers should be free to charge what the market will bear, there are no tools whatsoever to influence dealers, and that the public should simply buy elsewhere... got that thread closed.:

I kinda believe they should be able to charge what the market will bear. I also think we should be able to call point out which dealers are charging mark up, what dealers are treating people well, and what dealers, are flat out lying(in which case we can do more than just point it out)


Yet.....

Here we are....with a thread.... whose posts are nothing but dealer rip-off stories. Far more in both number and severity than were posted on the thread I started.

And at least I asked for factual first hand stories, and explained why... and kept an open mind and was genuinely looking (or hoping) for favorable stories and mentioned my belief that Chevrolet dealers as a whole were far more reasonable than my experience with Pontiac dealers.

Just goes to show you....

....if something IS an issue, I guess you simply can't sweep it under the rug and try to make it go away. :shrug:

We can... One suggestion I had that is free, is If we decide we want to post things like this where dealers are blatently lying. We can all review the policies of the site such as Ebay where it might violate their policies and contact their customer service to possibly get that pulled down.

When I contacted Ebay about the two or 3 2006 Camaros that were posted for sale using the concept, at least a few made it to the end of the sale but the sale was canceled anyway. Im not a lawyer but I would assume that would make the sale non binding and the bidder probably notified as to why. It was work on my part to review the policies and contact Ebay but the pay off making them aware to look out for it was worth it and have those sales canceled.

Just one suggestion, or possibility if we want.