searching for big power boosted build thread

Daniel6718
03-06-2009, 12:02 PM
cant find anyone you float around on other forums youll see guys building their fuel system...motor, tranny rear ect computer system...how come i cant find any on here...i mean i can figure out most of it but id like to get some ideas of what worked for other and what hasnt...ive got a good motor good tranny clutch and rear and i can figure the fuel out...trying to decide what to do for computer system...id like to keep it stock...any links guys?

jsetzer
03-06-2009, 12:19 PM
Perhaps their are not a ton of start to finish build threads here, but all the info you seek is here, just need to read a ton.

Define big power... To the Saleen Focus I ran into the other day, 650hp probably seemed pretty big - to the real players, they would laugh at me.

Tell us your goals, tell us what you have - (good clutch? if you are talking big numbers then there is no such thing)

Stock computer has been used to some pretty high levels. I went with Megasquirt because I built my pcm for less than a cable and tuning software would cost.

Daniel6718
03-06-2009, 12:28 PM
goals are to keep up with the big viper and vette guys so 900+ for sure...probably going to do 60's close to maxed so mid 1000's for power
clutch is a mcleod twin disk
rear is a 9 inch prolly doing 3.27 gears...

reamo04
03-06-2009, 01:47 PM
your going to need bigger than 60s to get anywhere near the power levels your talking about. 60s max out about 650 at the wheels.

I am doing a nice build, going for 850 at the wheels. Also keep in mind, to keep up with those viper/vette guys, you dont necessarily need BIG power, you need to get that power to the ground. year or so ago, 1982z28with18s had a nano nitrous firebird, he was keeping up with procharged vipers fairly easily. That was only about 600 at the wheels, but his car could hook amazingly.

To get 1000 RWHP, your going to need at least a 88mm. If you look on here, i posted a PT88 900HP thread. The guy has a LTx vette pushing like 980 HP at the wheels.

Instead of going for RWHP goals, tell us your E.T. goals. I know 800HP supras only running 11's, like I said, its all about putting the power to the ground. 1000 is worthless if u cant sucessfully put 650 to the ground.

1996camaroSSclone
03-06-2009, 02:47 PM
your going to need bigger than 60s to get anywhere near the power levels your talking about. 60s max out about 650 at the wheels.

I am doing a nice build, going for 850 at the wheels. Also keep in mind, to keep up with those viper/vette guys, you dont necessarily need BIG power, you need to get that power to the ground. year or so ago, 1982z28with18s had a nano nitrous firebird, he was keeping up with procharged vipers fairly easily. That was only about 600 at the wheels, but his car could hook amazingly.

To get 1000 RWHP, your going to need at least a 88mm. If you look on here, i posted a PT88 900HP thread. The guy has a LTx vette pushing like 980 HP at the wheels.

Instead of going for RWHP goals, tell us your E.T. goals. I know 800HP supras only running 11's, like I said, its all about putting the power to the ground. 1000 is worthless if u cant sucessfully put 650 to the ground.

Listen to him. If it don't hook it don't matter what numbers you put down.

Daniel6718
03-06-2009, 05:10 PM
i know this...i have a nitrous ls1 that makes over 700 through an 60-e...i want this car to trap near 160...i dont care if it et's 8's like it should or not...low 10's is fine by me...ill save my drivetrain...i wanna do 215 in the standing mile preferrably...INTIMD8 or whatever did 199 with 890 hp...

and 60's will make about 600 at the wheels...thats why i need 2 of them...

i wont worry about putting it down...with 3.27 or so second gear will start around 50-55 and be low enough in the rpm band it should hook...ill have plenty of suspension...ill be in the same ballpark as those guys either way...and there always eboost with boost by gear to control it some...id do a pt88 but gear chaging would require respooling that kills time...twin 60's should have less respoling time

reamo04
03-06-2009, 05:20 PM
i know this...i have a nitrous ls1 that makes over 700 through an 60-e...i want this car to trap near 160...i dont care if it et's 8's like it should or not...low 10's is fine by me...ill save my drivetrain...i wanna do 215 in the standing mile preferrably...INTIMD8 or whatever did 199 with 890 hp...

and 60's will make about 600 at the wheels...thats why i need 2 of them...

i wont worry about putting it down...with 3.27 or so second gear will start around 50-55 and be low enough in the rpm band it should hook...ill have plenty of suspension...ill be in the same ballpark as those guys either way...and there always eboost with boost by gear to control it some...id do a pt88 but gear chaging would require respooling that kills time...twin 60's should have less respoling time

theres a no-lift skift kit as well. search for the PT88 dyno i posted about, he has the no-lift shift in his vette..

jay_rich
03-06-2009, 07:30 PM
yeaa all in the drivetrain. My car will be 650WHP on low boost untill i buy heads.

Just a single T6 74mm.

My car with 420RWHP would walk all over vipers/vetts that are stock. Its all in how you manage it.

Jay

reamo04
03-06-2009, 08:09 PM
and since you are obviously too lazy
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=664988&highlight=pt88+dyno
theres the pt88 dyno thread

http://ltxtech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2117
theres a more detailed thread on what he has done, this is when he had a 78mm turbo. He talks about the no-lift-to-shift box

Daniel6718
03-06-2009, 08:17 PM
yes im aware of the pro-shifted t56 but forget that for now...maybe later

i know what a pt88 can do...but 1000 is it strung out and backpressure is a problem...package is nice though...but im straying away from a single

ive seen the pt88 vette and makes me want to do my project more and more...but im looking into what computer system mostly, what kinda problems they encountered

reamo04
03-06-2009, 08:30 PM
yes im aware of the pro-shifted t56 but forget that for now...maybe later

i know what a pt88 can do...but 1000 is it strung out and backpressure is a problem...package is nice though...but im straying away from a single

ive seen the pt88 vette and makes me want to do my project more and more...but im looking into what computer system mostly, what kinda problems they encountered

he is running the Accel DFI Gen 7 Pro Key w/ DUal Synch Distributor and Wideband

Daniel6718
03-06-2009, 09:20 PM
have many people used bs3 with a lt1? or bad luck with them??? im about to search

ak95ta
03-06-2009, 09:40 PM
Id just go with a LS1 pcm swap if it were you. It is better then a bs3.

reamo04
03-06-2009, 10:28 PM
Id just go with a LS1 pcm swap if it were you. It is better then a bs3.

better? eh.....depends who you ask.
Cheaper? Definately!

ak95ta
03-06-2009, 10:49 PM
better? eh.....depends who you ask.
Cheaper? Definately!

Tell me what you cant do with the LS1 pcm that you can do with BS3. Just a better option.

Daniel6718
03-07-2009, 03:52 AM
bs3 can run
dual injectors
wb o2
low or high impedence injectors
umm tune fuel per injectors differantly...

just off the top of my head...ls1 pcm cant...and is by no means worth the trouble...answer thei what can a ls1 pcm do that a lt1 cant?

reamo04
03-07-2009, 02:45 PM
bs3 can run
dual injectors
wb o2
low or high impedence injectors
umm tune fuel per injectors differantly...

just off the top of my head...ls1 pcm cant...and is by no means worth the trouble...answer thei what can a ls1 pcm do that a lt1 cant?

stock for stock, and LS1 can run a 3 bar speed density setup. Thats really the only advantage IMO.

ak95ta
03-07-2009, 04:05 PM
Well, no opti is also a plus, along with the 8 coils. You also have either HP tuners or EFI live to works with. You can run low Z injectors with a convertor box. You can log use a WB o2 with HP tuners pro. Ill let you guys know how well it handles a 3 bar tune with my YSi putting out 24# boost. I should have it running in about a month, should be around 900 rwhp.

Daniel6718
03-07-2009, 05:47 PM
ive never had opti problems like most...broken a few rotors thats it...

you can run a driver box and lw injectors with a lt1 id assume the same as a ls1...

3 bar seems to be the big advantage...and not worth it imo...

reamo04
03-07-2009, 06:21 PM
Well, no opti is also a plus, along with the 8 coils. You also have either HP tuners or EFI live to works with. You can run low Z injectors with a convertor box. You can log use a WB o2 with HP tuners pro. Ill let you guys know how well it handles a 3 bar tune with my YSi putting out 24# boost. I should have it running in about a month, should be around 900 rwhp.

tell me, for the price and hassle to convert to a LS1 PCM, whats the advantage of it over a megasquirt setup? (unless your running a 4l60e)

ak95ta
03-07-2009, 06:30 PM
ive never had opti problems like most...broken a few rotors thats it...

you can run a driver box and lw injectors with a lt1 id assume the same as a ls1...

3 bar seems to be the big advantage...and not worth it imo...

Well, it seems like you have it all figured out, so what were you looking for when you created this thread? What is it that you want out of your car? Plans? Obviously not a 1320 car. Please inform us. What do you want to get out of this thread?

ak95ta
03-07-2009, 06:51 PM
tell me, for the price and hassle to convert to a LS1 PCM, whats the advantage of it over a megasquirt setup? (unless your running a 4l60e)

No hassle really. IT has actually made my life very easy. My LT1 setup is going in a 99T/A, so everything is plug and play. It has been a very easy installation. The LS1 ecm will do everything I need, including the tune for 24# and the 82# low z injectors. The 3 bar tuning capabilites is what sold me, as well as no opti. I have had 3 fail, including one MSD.

I maxed out the capacity of the LT1 pcm. Don't get me wrong, it would run the car. The tuning capabilities just suck, lack of tables and ranges. As the load changed or RPM changed, the air fuel ratio was all over the place. It actually only ran god at WOT, and not worth a damn anywhere else. I was only running a 1 bar tune though. The Megasquirt could have helped my some of my problems, but not all of them.

So the LS1 ecm is powering supercharged, turbo'd, and N2O cars into the low 8 range at 160+ on quite a few cars, none with piggy back systems except a Low Z convertor for the injectors.