CamaroZ28.Com FIRST to Road Test BOTH 2010 Camaro SS and 2010 Camaro LT!

EDIT: Sorry all, we were asked to edit the article a bit and remove the video for the time being. While we didn't get into specifics, we do know that we didn't do anything wrong as everything that was said and shown was done with a Chevrolet escort. Perhaps in the near future we can put what was removed back up. We'll post in this thread if/when updates happen.

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EDIT2: On March 16 20, 2009 we will be re-releasing the additional drive details and video.
EDIT3: On March 20, 2009 additional drive details and video were released!

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Okay, you've seen them in the wild, now see them from our personal perspective...behind the wheel!


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Review excerpt:
As recently posted on our message board, Scott Settlemire, Cheryl Pilcher and John Fitzpatrick all received their 2010 Camaros to drive, fresh from the Oshawa factory. Shortly after that, we received an invitation to take them for a spin. We couldn't be more excited.

Michigan is known for many things, and among them is unpredictable weather and poor road conditions. On this day, both were not very optimal for doing a road test on two of Chevrolet's highly anticipated 2010 Camaros. As it would turn out, thanks to tight engineering tolerances and extreme attention to quality and detail, it didn't matter much.

We braved the bitter cold Michigan weather and met up and a quiet parking lot to look the cars over. One, a fiery Inferno Orange Metallic Camaro LT and the other a screaming Rally Yellow SS. The cars are exactly like what everyone has seen in the magazines and during the Chevrolet show circuit, a spitting image of the Camaro Concept that drew so much attention, fanfare, and awards. No need to spend much time on the outside now, we wanted to get behind the wheel.

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When you all get the chance to drive this car, you will be blown away. We are extremely happy with how the car turned out. As the 2010 Camaro promo slogan states, "It will surprise you".

cool key.:cool:

nice donuts.


V6 sounds cool too.


and yes i'm editing as i watch it.

I enjoyed the snow driving :) The V6 sounds good which was a surprise to me. Thanks for posting this!!!

Thanks to Jason and Chris for the great video and review. And a lot of thanks to Scott and Cheryl for making it, and the Camaro, possible!

http://www.camaroz28.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1900&g2_serialNumber=2

In the pic above, Scott is reading from a "book" titled "Mustang Humiliation".

:lol:

This is something I've been looking forward to reading for a few years now... so without any further ado...

:goes to read:

EDIT: AWESOME!! :bow:

How's the clutch feel? Stiff/soft? Can you compare it to anything?

Thanks to Jason and Chris for the great video and review. And a lot of thanks to Scott and Cheryl for making it, and the Camaro, possible!

http://www.camaroz28.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1900&g2_serialNumber=2
:lol:

thats freaking awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Both cars look great and sound great! What a way to spend a day!!! It's funny that these are the two colors I've been thinking about. I'm really digging that yellow! Add some stripes and ground effects and I'll meet you at the Chevy dealer! Thanks to Scott and Cherly. They would of had to activate that new onstar feature to get that yellow one back. I would of been long gone till they made the car slow down then stop!

:LOL: You guys ought to be called the fabulous five! Cheryl, Jason, John, Chris, and of course, Scott! The Mustang gals must hate ya!

The streetfire video is really good, and the review is extremely well done!

I hope everyone brings their cars to Indy in May for the NFME---

This was one extremely memorable day for me with these cars. It's been such a long road, and to be actually driving these new Camaro's on the streets of Metro Detroit was just a really special feeling.

Some of my own memories of the day...it's was freakin COLD OUT!!! We just got a snow storm with 4-6" of snow yesterday and the roads were just recently plowed. It was like we were rock stars driving around in these cars! People everyone wanting to talk about the cars, snapping pictures with their cell phones, waving, wanting you to roll down your window to ask questions. Again, I must remind you...it's freakin COLD OUT!!!

so i get the feeling it was cold out......

I'm very glad you had that much fun! I got lucky once like that with a Holden. So, who was assigned the yellow SS? Is that Scott's, Cheryl's or John's car? It looks like a speeding ticket, even when it's sitting still!

So, who was assigned the yellow SS? Is that Scott's, Cheryl's or John's car? It looks like a speeding ticket, even when it's sitting still!scotts.

Please note the difference betwn RS tail lamps versus non/RS tail lamps....

The IOM is a 1LT without RS - the RYellow is a 2SS/RS

Please note the difference betwn RS tail lamps versus non/RS tail lamps....

The IOM is a 1LT without RS - the RYellow is a 2SS/RS

Without RS
http://www.camaroz28.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1910&g2_serialNumber=2

With RS
http://www.camaroz28.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1913&g2_serialNumber=2

Nice!

Can't wait! :)

Were either of the stereos top of the line? If so, what did they sound like?
Did you get to play with the PDIM interface?

Nice!

Can't wait! :)

HEY!!!

Somehow I missed that you and Miss Marion have ordered one!!!

Congrats!

Also -- did John get the color straightened out for you???

Were either of the stereos top of the line? If so, what did they sound like?
Did you get to play with the PDIM interface?

The Yellow SS had the Boston Acoustics 9 speaker system in it. It sounded PHENOMENAL! Great sounding system for this car.

The stereo system in the V6 car sounded very good as well and also comes with standard XM. Onstar is standard on both cars. I belive Cheryl told me that the SS models come with the Directions and Connection package for 1 year and the V6 models with the standard Safe and Sound Onstar package.

Played a litlte with how the system will pair with your bluetooth phone as well. Very easy to setup right through the radio. There was also an option to pair a gps on the radio setup.

Wow :cool: :eek: :bow:

Now that is a car I really want.

Question...does the SS sill have the sport/comp mode and launch control?

Chris...Was the ambient lighting working in the 2SS, and if so how did it look/function? Also, I see that the halos were on when driving, will they be the daylight running lights? Thanks.

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Video highlights of the road test!
http://px4.vidiac.com/e0244ee2-0b79-4741-9c9f-9bb801613d0c.jpg (http://videos.camaroz28.com/video/e0244ee2-0b79-4741-9c9f-9bb801613d0c.htm)
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When you all get the chance to drive this car, you will be blown away. We are extremely happy with how the car turned out. As the 2010 Camaro promo slogan states, "It will surprise you".

Awesome! Congrats on the test drives. It is getting even closer now!

Two things I just wanted to add:

1. During the scene where the yellow SS is doing dounts and sliding through the snowy parking lot, I realized I can't wait until I see a picture of an evil black SS sliding sideways, rear tires smoking, looking like it came out of an action movie.

2. Is it just me, or does the V6's exhaust note sound louder/more noticeable than the SS exhaust note?

Im curious as to how the v6 did more than the v8 honestly. I know the v8 is going to be a great performer.

How would you compare the v6 to a fourth gen camaro? The acceleration numbers we've seen put it around a lt1 camaro. How was the breaking and handling though? The single piston breaks give me pause honestly. And while I am sure that the 5thgen v6 will be a more comfortable ride than a fourth gen, i wonder how its handling will be. Any insights would be appreciated.

Thanks

I usually don't beleive in buying a new car, but I've never EVER wanted a new car SOOOO bad in my life!!!!!!!
Also I can't beleive I'd ever say I REALLY want a V6 Camaro. This car has success written ALL over it. How proud the Camaro team must be.

That "switchblade" key is really cool:cool:, didn't know it did that!

Also, I see that the halos were on when driving, will they be the daylight running lights? Thanks.
and to add i'd like to know what the daytime running lights are? headlight? marker light?

Very nice! I'm really digging the switchblade key :lol: I'm also very surprised how well the 1LT sounds, it's got balls! I really hope the new Camaro can turn some things around at GM so it can stick around for many years to come.

Bonus video! - "You too can easily fit in the back of a 2010 Camaro!"
http://px4.vidiac.com/78a91947-86b2-4166-b6f4-9bb80177e6ab.jpg (http://videos.camaroz28.com/video/78a91947-86b2-4166-b6f4-9bb80177e6ab.htm)
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oh man that looked like it was fun. i cant believe its almost time!

That "switchblade" key is really cool:cool:, didn't know it did that!

Here's another video of it...
http://px4.vidiac.com/8ec4af03-1f24-4453-85bc-9bb900863270.jpg (http://videos.camaroz28.com/video/8ec4af03-1f24-4453-85bc-
9bb900863270.htm)
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yeah that key is really cool. i always liked how vw had those, but never wanted to buy a vw to get one.

Here's another video of it...
http://px4.vidiac.com/8ec4af03-1f24-4453-85bc-9bb900863270.jpg (http://videos.camaroz28.com/video/8ec4af03-1f24-4453-85bc-
9bb900863270.htm)
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very short and sweet and to the point. i like it.

yeah that key is really cool. i always liked how vw had those, but never wanted to buy a vw to get one.
same here.

So are these cars still considered pre-production (X) cars or do they actually have a real VIN numbers.

pre pro. the ones with vins dont run til the 16th or march.

Here's another video of it...
http://px4.vidiac.com/8ec4af03-1f24-4453-85bc-9bb900863270.jpg (http://videos.camaroz28.com/video/8ec4af03-1f24-4453-85bc-
9bb900863270.htm)
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Very cool, I like it!

pre pro. the ones with vins dont run til the 16th or march.

I'd be surprised if they didn't have vins.

Bonus video! - "You too can easily fit in the back of a 2010 Camaro!"
http://px4.vidiac.com/78a91947-86b2-4166-b6f4-9bb80177e6ab.jpg (http://videos.camaroz28.com/video/78a91947-86b2-4166-b6f4-9bb80177e6ab.htm)
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You most likely have sealed the deal for me to be able to get the new CAMARO!!! The ease of getting into the back seat and how much room there would be was the deal breaker as far asthe wife is concerned!!! :D

This should ease all her worries! THANKS FOR THE VIDEO!

I'd be surprised if they didn't have vins.

they do have a "VIN", but the x in there is for the pre pro. which means it is not the same as a real vin on a regular car.

Here's another video of it...
http://px4.vidiac.com/8ec4af03-1f24-4453-85bc-9bb900863270.jpg (http://videos.camaroz28.com/video/8ec4af03-1f24-4453-85bc-
9bb900863270.htm)
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I loved the seatbelt video Jason. I thought those were snaps until I saw that.

ok,tell me you busted out the dynolicious app for this test drive..:D

Sorry all, we were asked to edit the article a bit and remove the video for the time being. While we didn't get into specifics, we do know that we didn't do anything wrong as everything that was said and shown was done with a Chevrolet escort. Perhaps in the near future we can put what was removed back up. We'll post in this thread if/when updates happen.

EDIT: We will be re-releasing the additional drive details on March 16 20, 2009.

Sorry all, we were asked to edit the article a bit and remove the video for the time being. While we didn't get into specifics, we do know that we didn't do anything wrong as everything that was said and shown was done with a Chevrolet escort. Perhaps in the near future we can put what was removed back up. We'll post in this thread if/when updates happen.
i bet its the "stunt" driving thing.


good thing i saw it when you first posted it.

Neither Chris nor I did any sort of driving that was illegal, dangerous, or otherwise improper, including "stunt" driving.

Sorry all, we were asked to edit the article a bit and remove the video for the time being. While we didn't get into specifics, we do know that we didn't do anything wrong as everything that was said and shown was done with a Chevrolet escort. Perhaps in the near future we can put what was removed back up. We'll post in this thread if/when updates happen.

It was the donuts, wasn't it? C'mon, Jason. Don't lie. (j/k) ;) :D

Probably the pick-up in the vid.

Neither Chris nor I did any sort of driving that was illegal, dangerous, or otherwise improper, including "stunt" driving.
well somebody was making the yellow one slide around in the snow. not saying it was you or chris.

well somebody was making the yellow one slide around in the snow. not saying it was you or chris.

Regardless or who, that had nothing to do with any content changes.

Regardless or who, that had nothing to do with any content changes.ok. it was just a guess.

yeah that key is really cool. i always liked how vw had those, but never wanted to buy a vw to get one.

:lol: I assure you--the key comes free with the car, not the other way around. The rest of the car is just as quirky/cool "switchblade" as the key. The car is not, unfortunately, as drop-dead awesome as the new Camaro. I'm really excited to see GM using that kind of key, though. The square/round plus fob was just too much on the 4th gen (don't want to be confusing bulges in my pocket, ya know)

Regardless or who, that had nothing to do with any content changes.

My completely theoretical, base-less GUESS is that someone at MotorTrend, Autoweek, or Car & Driver watched the video last night and simultaneously threw down a stack of papers, exclaiming, "son of a bitch!!!!" and got all jealous that content regarding "first drive" was already circulating the internet in viral format. So, they called their friends at GM Marketing, who then called Scott, and told him to stop showing off his toys until the other kids get their presents too. :D

AmIrite? huh?

Edit: Or the marketing team didn't like the wind noise/static when trying to show off the V6 or V8 engine sounds. They were hard to hear, and the V6 sounded a bit choppy.

Edit: Or the marketing team didn't like the wind noise/static when trying to show off the V6 or V8 engine sounds. They were hard to hear, and the V6 sounded a bit choppy.to me the V6 sounded sweet. the V8 you could barely hear.

Sorry all, we were asked to edit the article a bit and remove the video for the time being.

So the video be re-posted again later? Any idea when?

So the video be re-posted again later? Any idea when?

No idea.

Perhaps in the near future we can put what was removed back up. We'll post in this thread if/when updates happen.

to me the V6 sounded sweet. the V8 you could barely hear.

The V6 had a good pull while the camera was in the car, and that sounded good, but when they were standing outside and the V6 was leaving the parking lot, there was a lot of crackling/static/wind. And as for the v8, I never think holding a camera next to the exhaust, at a standstill, produces a good sound. It's the echo it makes in free space that provides the experience. Otherwise, you get too much air noise.

My question is...If they're not assigning production vins until mid-March, what happens to the 20ish cars/day the plant is already making? Do those get wadded up when all the production bugs/assembly logistics are confirmed to be worked out? Seems like a lot of waste.

Well I can't UNSEE it. Just like that clip of the Ambient lighting in the animation that GM first put on the Camaro site then took down.
But just in case, here's me with my blinders on.:cool: :D

My question is...If they're not assigning production vins until mid-March, what happens to the 20ish cars/day the plant is already making? Do those get wadded up when all the production bugs/assembly logistics are confirmed to be worked out? Seems like a lot of waste.i think they either crush them or donate them to schools.

yeah that key is really cool. i always liked how vw had those, but never wanted to buy a vw to get one.

I've been driving my mom's 2001 VW Golf a lot lately, and the switchblade key really is very cool! Even though I've driven her car 100 times over the past few years, EVERY single time I open up that switchblade key I motion as if I'm opening up a switchblade knife! :yes::p

Argh, I missed the video. Good read on the article.

And as for the v8, I never think holding a camera next to the exhaust, at a standstill, produces a good sound.

Listen to the sound clip:
http://www.fquick.com/garages/Chevrolet/Camaro_Z28/2002/4228/

Sounds pretty damn good to me. :D

sounds good to me too.:yes:

Listen to the sound clip:
http://www.fquick.com/garages/Chevrolet/Camaro_Z28/2002/4228/

Sounds pretty damn good to me. :D

That's the 2010 SS?? Sounds pretty sweet to me.

That's the 2010 SS?? Sounds pretty sweet to me.

No, that's my 4th gen with a Corsa catback. 97QuasarBlue3.8 was saying that V8's never sound good when stationary, and I posted a counterexample. :)

Tearing up Tech Plaza! :lol: If your going to pick a place close to the Tech Center where nobody would notice a bright red and yellow Camaro that would be it.

Great post! It's awesome to finally see the Camaro's in the hands of enthusiasts. I am wondering if other media outlets have also been supplied or been given access to the Camaro's as well.

I know you guys have said a lot about the general driving characteristics which is just thrilling, but I'd also like to have your thoughts on interior build quality, sound dampening, as well as overall comfort and quality of the Boston sound system......in your own time. ;)

No, that's my 4th gen with a Corsa catback. You were saying that V8's never sound good when stationary, and I posted a counterexample. :)

Corsa makes good sounding exhaust systems.

I have the pleasure of hangimg out with Jim Browning, the owner of Corsa, and he's an upright guy. A genuine soul that works hard to make a valuable and useful product.

I remember a few years back when some of my Corvette pals, including Jim, stayed at the same hotel for the 12 Hours of Sebring race weekend.

We were "driving spiritedly" from the track to the hotel one evening. I'm sure any of you Camaro fans that do events understand the drill.

After getting back to the hotel, one of Jim's employees that was driving a C6 that Jim and he were in, told me Jim wanted to know what system I had on my Z06 as he thought it was nice sounding.

Well, I went to Jim and told him it was longtubes, and stock Z06 titanium catback... with reduced restrictions. He agreed it was a nice note at 6.900RPM.;)

Bottom line, Corsa makes good stuff! Jim also can compliment good, even if he wasn't rsponsible. That will always earn a big thumbs up from me.

Hey Paul, just wanted to thank you for your time at the Camaro display on Sunday. We went back when we left and you were no where to be found, but we wanted to thank you again for your time.

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I loved your guy's review, the video was awesome. It's too bad you had to take it down!

I'm sure soon enough you will get permission to repost it and all will be good.

I think this will be next car for sure. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VWSYcGchY

Sweet, it's on Youtube. It ain't getting pulled from there. :) Oh man this car is HOT!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VWSYcGchY

http://www.econ.upf.edu/~fleiss/Welcome1_files/homer-doh.jpg

Awesome !! :metal::metal::bow::bow::thumb::thumb:

Hey Paul, just wanted to thank you for your time at the Camaro display on Sunday. We went back when we left and you were no where to be found, but we wanted to thank you again for your time.

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The pleasure was all mine. :yes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VWSYcGchY

Awesome!!!!

Now when are we going to see the very FIRST 2010 Camaro burnout video?

Awesome!!!!

Now when are we going to see the very FIRST 2010 Camaro burnout video?

The first day someone can take delivery of one. :D

The first day someone can take delivery of one. :Dok..ok....i'll do it......just drop one off.....

Awesome!!!!

Now when are we going to see the very FIRST 2010 Camaro burnout video?

Burnout? Bah! Only if it is to heat the tires for 1/4 mile testing! :D

Ya'll give me a shout if you need transmission durability testing... ;)

Very cool! Now I only have to wait until they release the HUD equipped version :(

There was a hugger orange one parked at the Livonia,mi rec center saturday. It was a V6. Very salty and dirty with regular michigan plates, not M plates. Was this one of these two? I was fortunate.

JOHN

Could have been, these didn't have M plates either.

still waiting for a real test. With 0-60 skid pad etc.

Same here but attempting it on a wet and icy road with traffic and potholes just didn't seem fun nor accurate. :)

Hey Paul, just wanted to thank you for your time at the Camaro display on Sunday. We went back when we left and you were no where to be found, but we wanted to thank you again for your time.

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Double [/HIJACK] :)

Thanks again, Paul. For the pics, and especially for pointing me over to the Corvette Club displays. I really enjoyed that all-original "fuelie." :cool:

Same here but attempting it on a wet and icy road with traffic and potholes just didn't seem fun nor accurate. :)

So Jason, you've been pretty quiet since you got your Camaro. No new updates?

So Jason, you've been pretty quiet since you got your Camaro. No new updates?

We only had a couple of hours with Scott and Cheryl's cars. My car is still in line for production. :)

However, I am getting production updates from my dealer and things will be moving along nicely very soon and when I get my car, I sure will have plenty of updates. :cz28:

We only had a couple of hours with Scott and Cheryl's cars. My car is still in line for production. :)

However, I am getting production updates from my dealer and things will be moving along nicely very soon and when I get my car, I sure will have plenty of updates. :cz28:


Jason,

Did you change your color choice? I thought the CGM was pushed back some?

No, I stayed with CGM. I have received allocation but not a build date, which I won't until the color is produced.

There was a hugger orange one parked at the Livonia,mi rec center saturday. It was a V6. Very salty and dirty with regular michigan plates, not M plates. Was this one of these two? I was fortunate.

JOHN

Inferno orange. not hugger.

No, I stayed with CGM. I have received allocation but not a build date, which I won't until the color is produced.

should everyone who placed an order receive a build date once production starts? my dealer hasnt told me jack. i told them i wanted to get the hurst shifter off becasue it was delaying production and they said they did it and i havent recieved any word on it. im starting to get scared that ive gotten pushed down on the alocation chart.

Another CamaroZ28.Com Member Drives a 2010 Camaro SS!!

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=670789

should everyone who placed an order receive a build date once production starts? my dealer hasnt told me jack. i told them i wanted to get the hurst shifter off becasue it was delaying production and they said they did it and i havent recieved any word on it. im starting to get scared that ive gotten pushed down on the alocation chart.

You will not get a build date. ot TPW(target production week) until your dealer has an allocated slot for the week. My dealer told me that he shoulfd have an allocation for my order (#1 on his list) sometime around 1st or second week of March. He said I should have a TPW of 3rd week of March, assuming he means week of 3/23. I am not holding my breath though until I get official word from him.

I think I saw you going to the road test on Monday in the Red RS on Mound Road in Warren... I was in a yellow GTO and you were right behind me!

Wasn't us, we did the test on Sunday but it was cool that you saw the car out there. :)

You will not get a build date. ot TPW(target production week) until your dealer has an allocated slot for the week. My dealer told me that he shoulfd have an allocation for my order (#1 on his list) sometime around 1st or second week of March. He said I should have a TPW of 3rd week of March, assuming he means week of 3/23. I am not holding my breath though until I get official word from him.

now im confused.:cry:

now im confused.:cry:

Nothing to be confused about.

A dealer can place an order for a car whenever he wants.
It won't get "picked up" by GM until he has allocation for said car.
If he doesn't have allocation for it, the order will just sit there in status code 1100.

When GM "picks it up", it will be assigned a Target Production Week. This is the week the car is hoped to be produced. TPWs can, and often do, change.

So to anyone who wants to order a GM car, ask the dealer before you place the order if he has allocation for the car you want to order. And not just for the model, but for the exact way you want that model equipped. That's how specific GM gets. If he doesn't have allocation for the exact car, then move to the next dealership.

I went thru this personally when I ordered my Colorado. I put a small, refundable down payment and an order in at a local Chevy dealer in July '03. The order sat in status 1100 forever. After a few months of bothering the dealer and GM, the dealer finally told me they didn't have allocation for a regular cab, 2wd, ZQ8, with a stick. They sent me my money back in November '03.
In the spring of '04, I started calling the dealers to find one who had allocation for the exact truck I wanted. I found one who did. I placed the order in February '04, it got picked up immediately, it was built in March '04, and I took delivery of it on April 9th, 2004.

when you say "gm wont pick up the order until he has allocation for the car", hasnt everyone recieved their allocation number? my dealer was allocated 4 i think, of which they clearly stated i was #1.

when you say "gm wont pick up the order until he has allocation for the car", hasnt everyone recieved their allocation number? my dealer was allocated 4 i think, of which they clearly stated i was #1.

He may have been allocated 4 (or is he just assuming that he's getting 4?) but what configurations were his allocations?
Maybe he wasn't allocated any 2SS with RS with your options.

From what I understand, it get's that specific.

JasonE can answer any GM ordering questions you'd have. He worked for a Pontiac dealer. I think he did their ordering. Shoot him a PM.

He may have been allocated 4 (or is he just assuming that he's getting 4?) but what configurations were his allocations?
Maybe he wasn't allocated any 2SS with RS with your options.

From what I understand, it get's that specific.

JasonE can answer any GM ordering questions you'd have. He worked for a Pontiac dealer. I think he did their ordering. Shoot him a PM.

From my understanding with the Camaro, all models are being built right away, except for any containing constrained options (White exterior, Cyber Gray exterior, Hurst shifter, etc.).

From my understanding with the Camaro, all models are being built right away, except for any containing constrained options (White exterior, Cyber Gray exterior, Hurst shifter, etc.).

Just because all models are being built right away still doesn't mean that HIS dealer has been allocated any cars like the one he ordered.

Just because all models are being built right away still doesn't mean that HIS dealer has been allocated any cars like the one he ordered.

Do you know for a fact that allocations involve specific vehicle builds that don't necessarily correlate with orders? That seems like a terrible idea, especially when they have 11,000+ specific orders to fill.

Do you know for a fact that allocations involve specific vehicle builds that don't necessarily correlate with orders? That seems like a terrible idea, especially when they have 11,000+ specific orders to fill.

That's the way it worked for my Colorado.
I had to find a dealer that not only had allocation for a Colorado, but one that had allocation for a regular cab, 2wd, ZQ8.

Once I found a dealer that had allocation for that combo, it went real quick.

Jason E can shed more light on the subject than I can.

It sounds like a brutally complicated ordering process, but we're talking about GM ;) ... nothing of that sort would surprise me of them!! :D (after all, it's the big corporation inefficiency approach! ..... I see the same kind of mentality at my company too :rolleyes: ).

Do you know for a fact that allocations involve specific vehicle builds that don't necessarily correlate with orders? That seems like a terrible idea, especially when they have 11,000+ specific orders to fill.

that seems kinda weird that they would have to be allocated exactly what i ordered for me to get mine in a reasonable time. all i ordered was a black 2ss/rs with black leather not sunroof, cancelled the hurst shifter, and i ordered the car cover. nothing really special. but very special to me!:D

Did you have any problem with the blind spots on the car? Is rear visibility good? Are the halos the day time running lights on the RS?

Did you have any problem with the blind spots on the car? Is rear visibility good? Are the halos the day time running lights on the RS?

I wouldn't say "problem" but like any car, there is an adjustment period with the car especially with the aggressive design but I don't think it is anything that any competent driver can't get comfortable with quickly.

that might make it a hard sell to non enthusiasts.....

That's the way it worked for my Colorado.
I had to find a dealer that not only had allocation for a Colorado, but one that had allocation for a regular cab, 2wd, ZQ8.

Once I found a dealer that had allocation for that combo, it went real quick.

Jason E can shed more light on the subject than I can.

Did you try to order a Colorado before production began?

If not, I don't think your experience is relevant.

Let's face it -- with 11,000 specific cars ordered by real, paying customers, GM would be stupid (and they're not) to allocate anything other than what was ordered, unless there were specific production limitations (i.e. not enough TR6060s to cover all of the manual SS orders) that prevented them from doing so.

Did you try to order a Colorado before production began?

If not, I don't think your experience is relevant.

Let's face it -- with 11,000 specific cars ordered by real, paying customers, GM would be stupid (and they're not) to allocate anything other than what was ordered, unless there were specific production limitations (i.e. not enough TR6060s to cover all of the manual SS orders) that prevented them from doing so.

Like I said in my earlier post, I placed the order at the end of July '03. Production didn't begin until Sep or Oct '03. HOWEVER, GM started picking up sold orders around Sep. MANY of the people from the Colorado forum who had ordered theirs had their orders picked up.
Even in to the month of Nov, my order was not picked up. After many calls to Chevy customer service, the DBC, and to the dealer, the dealer finally told me in the end of Nov that they did not have allocation for my combination. They sent me my deposit back.

couple questions:

does the seat go back to whatever position it last was in if you use the seat lever to get into the back seat?

does the key also "flip" back or do you have to manually put it back?

does the seat go back to whatever position it last was in if you use the seat lever to get into the back seat?

I believe it does.

does the key also "flip" back or do you have to manually put it back?

No, you have to press the button to release the "lock" on it and them manually put it back into the fob.

In these troubled economic times, espeically for our beloved U.S. auto industry, how can we show support before buying our new Camaros.

I love Camaros but I will have to wait for 6 months after they are out to afford one. I can't spend $10K over sticker. I want GM to know we are out there waiting and we're pulling for them general. With the pressure they are under I would like them to know we are behind them. :yes:

I don't want to read every post but when exactly are they coming out?

I love Camaros but I will have to wait for 6 months after they are out to afford one. I can't spend $10K over sticker.

There's dealers out there that won't charge anything over sticker, you just have to find one.

I don't want to read every post but when exactly are they coming out?

Production starts March 16! :)

No, you have to press the button to release the "lock" on it and them manually put it back into the fob.that kinda sucks. now i'll have one more thing to do after i get out of the car.....they should've gone to a "keyless go" system or just a normal key.....

Compared to having a keychain with a remote hanging off of it in your pocket...not really. A co-worker just bought a G8 GT yesterday and I was playing with his key this morning. Fairly compact and much more solid feeling than I would have thought. I shouldn't be flinging spare change out of my pocket when I pull out the keys now..:)

Compared to having a keychain with a remote hanging off of it in your pocket...not really. A co-worker just bought a G8 GT yesterday and I was playing with his key this morning. Fairly compact and much more solid feeling than I would have thought. I shouldn't be flinging spare change out of my pocket when I pull out the keys now..:)
i found it very bulky. i also test drove a genesis coupe just before that and it has "keyless" go and the fob was about the same size and was much easier to use...and i didn't have to manually put the "key" back in the fob.....

that kinda sucks. now i'll have one more thing to do after i get out of the car.....they should've gone to a "keyless go" system or just a normal key.....

You are not seriously complaining about having to put the key back in the fob are you? :lol: Heck, you can do it one-handed against your leg. It is not a complicated procedure. Consider this...on a per driving session level, the energy it takes to close the key will use less energy than having to constantly carry and manipulate both a fob and a key for months or years. This all-in-one package is like only carrying a fob, but wait there's more! It is also like a regular fob with a cool key built-in. God bless modern technology.

;););)

Sorry, just playing. Leave it out like a normal key if it is really a problem. :)

You are not seriously complaining about having to put the key back in the fob are you? :lol: Heck, you can do it one-handed against your leg. It is not a complicated procedure. Consider this...on a per driving session level, the energy it takes to close the key will use less energy than having to constantly carry and manipulate both a fob and a key for months or years. This all-in-one package is like only carrying a fob, but wait there's more! It is also like a regular fob with a cool key built-in. God bless modern technology.

;););)

Sorry, just playing. Leave it out like a normal key if it is really a problem. :)i just don't like it. it may not be complicated but its more than then just having a normal key...


i don't see how its less effort...walking up to the car with the fob....hit the door unlock button....flick the "key" out (don't have to with a normal separate key...) put the key in and turn....

done driving and stop

the take the key out and now flip the "key" back in (don't have to with a separate key...) and go on with my day...


and its huge if its left out....

i just don't like it. it may not be complicated but its more than then just having a normal key...


i don't see how its less effort...walking up to the car with the fob....hit the door unlock button....flick the "key" out (don't have to with a normal separate key...) put the key in and turn....

done driving and stop

the take the key out and now flip the "key" back in (don't have to with a separate key...) and go on with my day...


and its huge if its left out....

The idea is that it fits more comfortably in your pocket. More compact to tote around.

If it's a major issue, I can't see how?:think:

The idea is that it fits more comfortably in your pocket. More compact to tote around.

If it's a major issue, I can't see how?:think:major issue? no its not. i'm just thinking it would be cool if it popped in as well as out...


i don't see it as "compact" either...

I don't like the "fobkey" either. I still have other keys on my ring, this doesnt really save me any bulk. Oh well, not that big a deal I suppose

don't get me wrong i think its really cool idea but after my G8 test drive i was wondering about it. i just think if it flipped back it would be very cool. right not it seems kinda pointless to me and to keep the "key" out it will be huge and possibly break(at the pivot point). i'm sure it may seem i'm making a big deal about this and i'm not i just wanted to know and make my opinion known so maybe it can be improved...

I think the keyfob is actually very cool. I don't put any other keys on the key rings of my car fobs, so this for me would be less bulk and a more modern feature. The Vette keyless fob system with the push button start would have been better, but we also would be paying for it in the pirce of the car...so I am sure then people would be complaining that the price is even higher.

how much would it add really?

don't get me wrong i think its really cool idea but after my G8 test drive i was wondering about it. i just think if it flipped back it would be very cool. right not it seems kinda pointless to me and to keep the "key" out it will be huge and possibly break(at the pivot point). i'm sure it may seem i'm making a big deal about this and i'm not i just wanted to know and make my opinion known so maybe it can be improved...

I think it would be kind of difficult to have the key retract back inside the fob. The button to release the key is basically spring loaded and the button obviously ejects the key outward. In order for in to go back into the fob there would have to be some kind of slide mechanism on the side to slide the key back in (manually of course), but IMO that is more work then just manually pushing the key back in.

Look at it another way, now you don't have to use the regular fob to unlock, then sort through your other keys for the ignition key and use it. It is now one unit, all on the easy to locate keyfob. Hit the unlock, switchblade the key open and go all w/ one unit. I see it as an improvement over a separate key and fob regardless of whether or not the key retracts manually or not.

how much would it add really?

I would quite a bit, since there would need to be electronic door locks with the touch pad handles. Also the electronic starter button and all of the sensors that are needed inside the car. Then there also is the charing slot inside the glove compartment in case the battery in the fob is dead. GM was already trying to get this car as low as it could be. I am sure there are a bunch of options and electronic gadets that they could have added as well, but then it adds to the price as well.

i just don't like it.
Is there anything you DO like?? :shrug: :rolleyes: So far, I hear a lot more bad than good from you about this car :think:.

I think the switch-blade key is great :thumb:. It's a single-handed operation. Easy. I bet if you practised a "system", you could pretty much get a finger or thumb on the release button AS you're pulling the key out of the ignition, and flip the key back into the fob AS you're getting out of the car. Seriously, it's that easy. Then there's just a fob in your pocket :).

Is there anything you DO like?? :shrug: :rolleyes: So far, I hear a lot more bad than good from you about this car :think:.

I think the switch-blade key is great :thumb:. It's a single-handed operation. Easy. I bet if you practised a "system", you could pretty much get a finger or thumb on the release button AS you're pulling the key out of the ignition, and flip the key back into the fob AS you're getting out of the car. Seriously, it's that easy. Then there's just a fob in your pocket :).sorry for voicing an opinion:rolleyes:

unlike you i haven't driven it so i can't comment on that either but i'm sure it drives great.

You guys aren't actually arguing about this are you? Nah...that would just be silly...

:)

You guys aren't actually arguing about this are you?
seems so....:lol:

It would quite a bit, since there would need to be electronic door locks with the touch pad handles. Also the electronic starter button and all of the sensors that are needed inside the car. Then there also is the charing slot inside the glove compartment in case the battery in the fob is dead. GM was already trying to get this car as low as it could be. I am sure there are a bunch of options and electronic gadets that they could have added as well, but then it adds to the price as well.

Nah. It SHOULDN'T, and wouldn't add that much.
If Nissan can put it on an $18K Altima (which are probably marked down to $15K right now), then GM could have put it on a $23-$38K Camaro.
Not a big deal to me, but the keyless start/stop systems are the best. Never have to take the fob out of your pocket again.

Nah. It SHOULDN'T, and wouldn't add that much.
If Nissan can put it on an $18K Altima (which are probably marked down to $15K right now), then GM could have put it on a $23-$38K Camaro.
Not a big deal to me, but the keyless start/stop systems are the best. Never have to take the fob out of your pocket again.:yes:

Wow, bitching about the KEY??? some people just can't be satisfied. THE CAMARO'S COMING BACK!!!!! Rejoice, stop all the petty belly aching. GEEZE people. I don't car it I had to hot wire the car every time I got in. As long as I can GET in a new Camaro.

I think the keyfob is actually very cool. I don't put any other keys on the key rings of my car fobs, so this for me would be less bulk and a more modern feature.

I don't either. If someone jacks your car, I don't see any reason to give them red carpet entry to your house or office.

Wow, bitching about the KEY??? some people just can't be satisfied. THE CAMARO'S COMING BACK!!!!! Rejoice, stop all the petty belly aching. GEEZE people. I don't car it I had to hot wire the car every time I got in. As long as I can GET in a new Camaro.as some here know i'm very picky. :)thing is my old camaro fit me like glove and now every car gets compared to that and most fall short in the comfort area. but i do know the camaro is one hell of a car and i am glad its back. i know i come across harsh sometimes but i am just wanting the best thats all. this is the only car i've ever gotten emotional over as it was unveiled in 06 and when i sat in it at the auto show.

FWIW -- we did ask the Disciples about Keyless entry -- most felt that it wasn't something that was 'Camaro' --

I've asked a great number of people -- and I'd say about 30 percent would like to see it --

FWIW -- we did ask the Disciples about Keyless entry -- most felt that it wasn't something that was 'Camaro' --

I've asked a great number of people -- and I'd say about 30 percent would like to see it --
to be honest i would've said no. till i tried it. its a great feature.

Just joined this group. I've lived on the dark side (Japanese cars) for the last 30 years. I watched Transformers with one of my kids and fell in love with the new Camaro. I went to the Chicago Auto Show and was really impressed with what I saw in the Chevy section. I just bought a copy of the latest Motor Trend with the Z28 on the cover. They say it's in limbo. Anyone have any idea what's going on with this. I was going to get a Nissan GT-R this spring but if I could get a Z28 I'd be a really happy camper.

You won't be getting a Z28 THIS spring :no:. Maybe by NEXT spring? :think: :shrug:

don't hold your breath for the Z/28 but remember the SS is still a wicked car.

Just joined this group. I've lived on the dark side (Japanese cars) for the last 30 years. I watched Transformers with one of my kids and fell in love with the new Camaro. I went to the Chicago Auto Show and was really impressed with what I saw in the Chevy section. I just bought a copy of the latest Motor Trend with the Z28 on the cover. They say it's in limbo. Anyone have any idea what's going on with this. I was going to get a Nissan GT-R this spring but if I could get a Z28 I'd be a really happy camper.
if you are able to contemplate getting a gtr why would you then consider a camaro? z06 my friend!!

Just joined this group. I've lived on the dark side (Japanese cars) for the last 30 years. I watched Transformers with one of my kids and fell in love with the new Camaro. I went to the Chicago Auto Show and was really impressed with what I saw in the Chevy section. I just bought a copy of the latest Motor Trend with the Z28 on the cover. They say it's in limbo. Anyone have any idea what's going on with this. I was going to get a Nissan GT-R this spring but if I could get a Z28 I'd be a really happy camper.

We don't have any real info on the Z28. Based on GM's current economical status and government bailout loans bringing out a 550hp low mpg Camaro would probably sit about as well as the private jet incident on Capitol Hill. But I guess until we hear no go we can still hope.

However the Camaro SS with the same LS3 (manual trans) found in the C6 Vette is going to be a great car. Will it beat a GTR; probably not. Will you still look cool and have fun behind the wheel with over 400hp and have enough money left over for the kids big college aspirations; Sure!

No question the Z06 is a great car. But I have to be honest here, I'm not a big fan of its looks. If you compare the looks of the GTR to the Vette and the Camaro you'll see where my tastes trend.
I live outside Chicago, so I'm not really looking for the full sports car experience. I like brute straight line performance. I think that the Z28 will have that in spades and I won't have to worry about the transmission self-destructing. And, of course, all cars can be modded.

And, of course, all cars can be modded.
buy aSS and install a maggie.:):burnout:

No question the Z06 is a great car. But I have to be honest here, I'm not a big fan of its looks. If you compare the looks of the GTR to the Vette and the Camaro you'll see where my tastes trend.
I live outside Chicago, so I'm not really looking for the full sports car experience. I like brute straight line performance. I think that the Z28 will have that in spades and I won't have to worry about the transmission self-destructing. And, of course, all cars can be modded.

It appears you like a car that's a bit more upright in stance.

CTS-V would be a candidate as NA doesn't seem all that important to you.

I like the CTS-V but I have to get over the Cadillac/Old man image from my youth.
As far as NA is concerned I had a Supra TT in the 90's. It was my only experience with a turbocharged motor. To increase boost I replaced the twin turbo setup with a Garrett T3/T4 hybrid. It did the job but the turbo lag was noticeable. On the other hand I could dial-in boost or turn it off completely. With the boost turned off it was a nice inline 6 with great mileage around town.

I like the CTS-V but I have to get over the Cadillac/Old man image from my youth.
go test drive one and you will.:)

EDIT: We will be re-releasing the additional drive details on March 16, 2009.

*SIGH* Department of corrections...I was mistaken...March 20 is when the additional drive details will be re-released.

makes me glad i saw it when i did.:)

i can't wait to drive one myself.

go test drive one and you will.:)

Hell, just have him sit in one for a few minutes and he will change his mind about Cadillac and the "old man" image!

*SIGH* Department of corrections...I was mistaken...March 20 is when the additional drive details will be re-released.

I'm assuming the magazine April editions will be released by then...:think:

I like the CTS-V but I have to get over the Cadillac/Old man image from my youth.


And the ugly, rusting through, tin can image of Japanese cars from your youth didn't stop you from buying Japanese for 30 years?
Like has been stated, GTR $80K+. Great performer, but looks like it was designed by Power Rangers.
The Camaro, $35kish, awesome looks, well balanced machine. With the $50k you'll save, I think you could mod it to GTR levels with room to spare.;)

I had no opinions about Japanese cars from my youth because I wasn't even aware they made cars. I was forced out of this ignorance by the crap American car manufacturers were pushing out the door in the late 70's.
As for you second point: I agree. That's why I came to this forum.

Okay, it is March 20 and the additional drive details and test video have been re-released.

http://www.camaroz28.com/articles/2010camaroroadtest/

Enjoy and feel free to ask any questions...again! :)

Okay, it is March 20 and the additional drive details and test video have been re-released.

http://www.camaroz28.com/articles/2010camaroroadtest/

Enjoy and feel free to ask any questions...again! :)

I can't wait till lots of folks get the chance to drive these cars to see their impressions as well. :) :cz28:

why did you guys have to take that down from last time it was posted?

why did you guys have to take that down from last time it was posted?

Apparently there was a March 20th media embargo, which of course we didn't know about. Once we found out, we complied.

For those wondering what was re-released, the video and paragraphs 5 and 6 of the article. It sucked to remove them because that is where the guts of the article were. No big deal, it is there now! :)

And now we can actually go into details about driving the car! So ask away! :)

And now we can actually go into details about driving the car! So ask away! :)

How does the ride compare to your CTS? (for those that don't know, Chris has an AWD DI3.6 CTS with the FE2 suspension).

What were you thoughts on the 6? Does it feel faster than 6.1 0-60? I am very interested in details on this car.

Thanks!

What were you thoughts on the 6? Does it feel faster than 6.1 0-60? I am very interested in details on this car.

Thanks!

Very similiar! There is more of an exhaust note on the Camaro then on the Caddy, but still extremely quiet at cruising.

There seemed to be a little more power on tap in the Camaro, probably partially because I was driving the 6 speed manual in the Camaro. There is one thing I did NOT like about the V6 Camaro and that was the placement of reverse on the tranny. On the 6 speed version of the V6 car, reverse is all the way to the left and up - right next to first gear. So guess what gear I was in the first time I tried to backup? heh. This will take some getting used to for sure. The V8 car had reverse where we are used to it, all the way to the right and up (next to fifth gear).

There seemed to be a little more power on tap in the Camaro, probably partially because I was driving the 6 speed manual in the Camaro. There is one thing I did NOT like about the V6 Camaro and that was the placement of reverse on the tranny. On the 6 speed version of the V6 car, reverse is all the way to the left and up - right next to first gear. So guess what gear I was in the first time I tried to backup? heh. This will take some getting used to for sure. The V8 car had reverse where we are used to it, all the way to the right and up (next to fifth gear).

Yep, that's where Aisin puts it. My experience with other cars with reverse in various places is that you get used to it quickly. As long as there's a lockout that prevents you from putting it in reverse when you're rolling, the worst that will happen is you waste a couple seconds.

On the 6 speed version of the V6 car, reverse is all the way to the left and up - right next to first gear. So guess what gear I was in the first time I tried to backup? heh..

I want to see that video :cool:

Okay, it is March 20 and the additional drive details and test video have been re-released.

http://www.camaroz28.com/articles/2010camaroroadtest/

Enjoy and feel free to ask any questions...again! :)

Thank you for the well written review! :thumb:

how do you enter in your destination for the nav? radio buttons?

Chris, did you miss my question? Post #160. :)

how do you enter in your destination for the nav? radio buttons?

I think you call OnStar and they send the data to the car.

I admit I haven't read any of the posts in this thread yet but from all the reviews I've read so far, the V6 doesn't lack any punch at all in either auto or manual. At a tad under 3800 lbs, it isn't light but by modern standards, it isn't overly heavy. At least the car is true to it's heritage.

From the comfort of my lounge chair, I know of the few criticisms I've read of the car's interior all too well... over-sized steering wheel and pedal positions that almost make heel 'n' toeing impossible... unless your shoe size is fifteen.

Very similiar! There is more of an exhaust note on the Camaro then on the Caddy, but still extremely quiet at cruising.

There seemed to be a little more power on tap in the Camaro, probably partially because I was driving the 6 speed manual in the Camaro. There is one thing I did NOT like about the V6 Camaro and that was the placement of reverse on the tranny. On the 6 speed version of the V6 car, reverse is all the way to the left and up - right next to first gear. So guess what gear I was in the first time I tried to backup? heh. This will take some getting used to for sure. The V8 car had reverse where we are used to it, all the way to the right and up (next to fifth gear).

What else did you not like about these cars? It was mentioned in a recent CamaroZ28 podcast there were some things that would be talked about later, but I have yet to hear anything.

We'll be covering that in this week's show, since we can now talk about it! :) Check the article, we will be expounding on that.

id hate to lose one of them keys they dont look cheap

I hear they are about 80 bucks for the G8 key. Do people really lose keys that often these days? Perhaps less when they cost that much! :D

Good write up! A little less than objective though, obviously. Especially considering this line:

"To go along with that performance and attitude is a level of refinement and quality that this industry has never seen combined in a performance car. Until now."

:lol: I'm not going to speculate on who makes the most refined, highest quality sports car in the industry, but I guaran-f'n-tee you it ain't GM :lol:

3800 lbs., IRS, 400 hp....everyone in the world crapped on this car when they called it the GTO 5 years ago! Hope the new name and sheet metal do the trick:)

Not THE entire industry, THIS industry of topic...the one the Camaro is in...the affordable performance coupe industry.

And the Camaro is far from a reskinned GTO. :)

I have noticed in many of the posts that a lot of the reviews state the vehicle is perfect for every day driving. I am a little curious if the average reader agrees. I know that most of us don't have our vehicles yet but where I live, winter driving can be downright nasty to say the least. I am not buying this car as a grocery grabber by any means but to see this is making me rethink of the days when my dad would take me to the grocery store in upstate MI in his 69 GTO. I might have to make some of those same memories with my child/children!

We live at an exciting time. Pony Cars have finally returned to take their rightful place in Americana. Good bye and good riddance 1980s & 90s!

BTW, this car definitely ain't no GTO!

1984 Vette
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2004 Honda Accord