Rumor: GM to cut G8 production by 97%.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/11/rumormill-gm-slashing-pontiac-g8-production-by-97/

that sucks. i was hoping it would be a hit so they'd make a coupe. guess not.:(

Isn't there a 300 day supply on the lots or something ridiculous? At least it's not 100%.

It is actually quite depressing news, as GM finally started to build/bring over some hot cars, yet they have failed in the market. That just really puts a nail in the coffin for Pontiac and performance in general. There is almost no way they are going to bring anymore RWD V8 cars over to the US or design any new ones anytime soon, and I bet the push is really on to go back to cheaper FWD crap again...

I sure as hell hope the Camaro sells like crazy...

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/11/rumormill-gm-slashing-pontiac-g8-production-by-97/

That's such a stupid headline.

"Feb-June 2009 production volumes of the G8 are being cut from a planned 10,000 units to under 1,000. That's a 97% reduction versus projection"

Ignoring the basic math error, production cuts to get inventory down are happening across the industry. Looking at production over a limited period of time can be grossly misleading, which is apparently what the headline writer had in mind. Never mind that January sales for the G8 were actually quite good compared with the rest of the line of GM cars. Why not an article about Saturn Aura production cuts? Or G6? They cut Cobalt production recently too.


Charlie, you seem very eager to repost any stories about lack of success of the Holden products. Are you sure you don't dislike Holdens? Or do you just not like when they're compared favorably to Sigmas.

Isn't there a 300 day supply on the lots or something ridiculous? At least it's not 100%.


According to AN there are 11,000 unsold G8's on dealer lots, or a 283 day supply.

Charlie, you seem very eager to repost any stories about lack of success of the Holden products. Are you sure you don't dislike Holdens? Or do you just not like when they're compared favorably to Sigmas.

Oh boy, here we go with the same old bullsh!t again.

BTW, you can only call me by my name if you tell me yours. :)

I think this is a reflection on the economy more that if the G8 is a good car or not. There are lots of good cars with long dealer supply lines. Heck we've got tens of thousands of Toyota's and M-B's sitting on the docks in Long Beach because there isn't any room for them at the dealers.

However, like the GTO the G8 seems to suffer from a big GM problem lately of getting cars out too late. GM hasn't read the market correctly and delivered a new model at the right time for a long time.


-Autoblog needs some more math classes! :lol:

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However, like the GTO the G8 seems to suffer from a big GM problem lately of getting cars out too late. GM hasn't read the market correctly and delivered a new model at the right time for a long time.




I think that's exactly right. I can only imagine that this car would have sold better had it come out smack dab in the middle of Chrysler's LX cars intros.

Oh boy, here we go with the same old bullsh!t again.

Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. You didn't answer my question and you didn't comment on the original.

So what do you think about the post and why did you link to it here and on other sites? That's a legitimate question.

I think that's exactly right. I can only imagine that this car would have sold better had it come out smack dab in the middle of Chrysler's LX cars intros.

Everything was selling better back then. Heck Pontiac sold almost as many G8s in January as Chevy sold Aveos. Aveo was down 70% year to year.

-Autoblog needs some more math classes! :lol:

Only if they're shooting for accuracy instead of hatchet job headlines.

But "90% drop in planned production Feb to June to align inventory to demand" doesn't sound as good as "slashing production by 97%".

Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. You didn't answer my question and you didn't comment on the original.

So what do you think about the post and why did you link to it here and on other sites? That's a legitimate question.

Legitimate question???

You are asking (really interrogating) me on why I would post a story about GM cars on a GM site???

Are you kidding???

You know, I suspect that you may have some sort of personal agenda, which goes beyond your zealous interest in why I like Sigma.
Hmmmm.

What was your name again? You never answered me.

Legitimate question???

You are asking (really interrogating) me on why I would post a story about GM cars on a GM site???

Are you kidding???

Give me a break. It's not interrogating. There are lots of stories about GM cars. You chose this one, which is one of the worst I've seen, with an obvious mathematical error and misleading headline. I think it's fair to ask why you found it interesting enough to post.
There was a previous article based on fact rather than rumor about there being no 2009 Saturn Astra, due to the backlog of unsold cars. I didn't see that on this site, even though it's arguably more newsworthy.


You know, I suspect that you may have some sort of personal agenda, which goes beyond your zealous interest in why I like Sigma.
Hmmmm.

No need to get conspiratorial about this. I'm asking what you thought of this article and why you posted it? Don't answer if you don't want to, but then you really can't complain when we get your motivations wrong when you won't tell us what they are.

I'll tell you my agenda. I read the article on Autoblog and considered it a total hatchet job on a car that I like, and that the article was not up to their usual standard, and unworthy of comment. Then I see you reposted it over here 3 minutes after it was posted to Autoblog. Then I see you posted it on Cheers&Gears. Okay. That's fine. I wondered why. I still do. No hidden agenda on my part.

There's really no need to get defensive.


What was your name again? You never answered me.

You never asked before -- Jeremy.

The issue is GM was making too many V6's. The delaership here is turning over V8's pretty good relative to everything else. The thing is...I really think you have to be a driver to love this car also.

If it was not such a great "drivers" car...there are plenty of reasons not to buy it vs. another sedan.

- Big LCD with no nav (this one pisses me off bad)
- Empty hole in dash with mat glued in it wrong
- You almost break your wrist trying to turn the knob that adjusts seat rake
- The front seats do not go back as far as my GTO or Charger..and they do not recline all the way down if the passenger wants to take a nap..they only go to like 110 degrees
- Rear seat does not fold

Basically what I am saying is the G8 has compomises that will turn off many people who are buying it for more than just a performance sedan.

The issue is GM was making too many V6's. The delaership here is turning over V8's pretty good relative to everything else. The thing is...I really think you have to be a driver to love this car also.

If it was not such a great "drivers" car...there are plenty of reasons not to buy it vs. another sedan.

- Big LCD with no nav (this one pisses me off bad)
- Empty hole in dhas with mat glued in it wrong
- You almost break your wrist trying to turn the knob that adjusts seat rake
- The front seats do not go back as far as my GTO or Charger..and they do not recline all the way down if the passenger wants to take a nap..they only go to like 110 degrees
- Rear seat does not fold

Basically what I am saying is the G8 has compomises that will turn off many people who are buying it for more than just a performance sedan.


We're not used to getting cars that aren't optimized for this market, and the lack of a Nav option in a car at this price point hurts. Which makes the amount sold all the more remarkable to me.

My parents had a 1979 Ford Fiesta, and it had the same sort of knob for adjusting seatback -- it seems to be a European thing.

What is the dhas, by the way?

We're not used to getting cars that aren't optimized for this market, and the lack of a Nav option in a car at this price point hurts. Which makes the amount sold all the more remarkable to me.

My parents had a 1979 Ford Fiesta, and it had the same sort of knob for adjusting seatback -- it seems to be a European thing.

What is the dhas, by the way?

Dash where the gauges used to be. Now it is an empty shelf...and it has a mat glues down that does not fit right and is bunched up in area's. I normally would not whine about something like that..but the shelf is at eye level and it just looks like ass.

Dash where the gauges used to be. Now it is an empty shelf...and it has a mat glues down that does not fit right and is bunched up in area's. I normally would not whine about something like that..but the shelf is at eye level and it just looks like ass.

Ah, dash. I thought you were using an acronym :)

I looked at the comments in the autoblog article and the source. Autoblog just pulled the 97% from the source without doing their own checking. A lot of the comments had to do with average car buyers who might like the G8 (those who don't really follow the market but want a performance car -- most of BMW's sales) not going anywhere near the Pontiac dealership. I get that reaction from coworkers. They just can't take Pontiac seriously for whatever reason. Too many years of Grand Ams, Sunfires, and W-body cars, I guess.

The Holden reputation in Australia seems to be worlds ahead of the Pontiac rep in the U.S.

That's such a stupid headline.

"Feb-June 2009 production volumes of the G8 are being cut from a planned 10,000 units to under 1,000. That's a 97% reduction versus projection"

Ignoring the basic math error, production cuts to get inventory down are happening across the industry. Looking at production over a limited period of time can be grossly misleading, which is apparently what the headline writer had in mind. Never mind that January sales for the G8 were actually quite good compared with the rest of the line of GM cars. Why not an article about Saturn Aura production cuts? Or G6? They cut Cobalt production recently too.


Charlie, you seem very eager to repost any stories about lack of success of the Holden products. Are you sure you don't dislike Holdens? Or do you just not like when they're compared favorably to Sigmas.

Although Charlie rarely passes up a chance to slam Holden's Zeta while passing up Sigma's even worse shortcomings, Charlie's not to blame for the heading or the bad math. That honor goes to either the article's author Sam Abuelsamid or his editor at Autoblog who sensationalized what is a relatively routine move by an automaker.

What's actually happening is what is already been mentioned: GM is simply adjusting production for a couple of months to thin out inventory. Holden is also cutting back VE production a bit as well.

I really have to seriously question the objectivity of this article. Chrysler completely stopped production of all vehicles for over a month, but I don't recall an Autoblog story saying that Chrysler was completely eliminating all vehicle production (what a headline that would be!).

But to set the record straight, it's a production adjustment. Expect the same thing to happen soon to Cadillac & even Corvette (though to a lesser extent), and other GM vehicles that have had a severe drop in sales over an extended time.

But to set the record straight, it's a production adjustment. Expect the same thing to happen soon to Cadillac & even Corvette (though to a lesser extent), and other GM vehicles that have had a severe drop in sales over an extended time.

I'm just adding to this.

I would expect any product in any market to throttle back production if they get back logged. At a plant level, if your raw's go over 90 days, you take the hit on those. So, if you can't sell yet, are bringing in more and more mat'l, you get hit twice. No Sales dollars and and over aged stock make the P&L very red.

Thought this was interesting, as I just read last night that the 2010 G8 was "getting a more powerful V6 with 6-speed automatic." I have to assume this would be the 300+ hp DI 3.6/6-speed auto combo found in the CTS. This could really help G8 sales if gas mileage improves and it's out in time for when all those potential auto buyers finally jump off the fence and let loose. With sales so low, there have got to be lots of pent-up potential. Something's gotta give eventually. Annual sales going from 17m to 9m in just a couple of years is, IMHO, too big a correction...

Annual sales going from 17m to 9m in just a couple of years is, IMHO, too big a correction...

There is going to be a used car shortage in 3 or so years. If auto sales stay at 9m-10m though out all of 2009 and 2010 maybe there will be a surge of new car buyers due to the lack of used cars in 2012-2013. Then again America could be a much poorer nation by then.

Give me a break. It's not interrogating. There are lots of stories about GM cars. You chose this one, which is one of the worst I've seen, with an obvious mathematical error and misleading headline. I think it's fair to ask why you found it interesting enough to post.
There was a previous article based on fact rather than rumor about there being no 2009 Saturn Astra, due to the backlog of unsold cars. I didn't see that on this site, even though it's arguably more newsworthy.





Well Jeremy, nice meeting you. Why wouldn't I choose to link this story? Should we not talk about it? For goodness sake, I've got over 14,000 posts. I've posted on more than just this. I've also seen that Astra story. I really didn't find it interesting enough to post about it. But if I had, would you call me an Astra basher?

Although Charlie rarely passes up a chance to slam Holden's Zeta while passing up Sigma's even worse shortcomings, Charlie's not to blame for the heading or the bad math. That honor goes to either the article's author Sam Abuelsamid or his editor at Autoblog who sensationalized what is a relatively routine move by an automaker.

.

You know Guy, I think you've got it wrong. It's not that I'm a Zeta basher, it's that YOU are a Zeta worshipper. Yes. And a Sigma hater. (Shame on you!). Bad combo. :no:

I'm pretty open on what I think are the strengths and weaknesses of both - we sure have discussed it enough times. So I have say you're wrong on that.

Thought this was interesting, as I just read last night that the 2010 G8 was "getting a more powerful V6 with 6-speed automatic." I have to assume this would be the 300+ hp DI 3.6/6-speed auto combo found in the CTS. This could really help G8 sales if gas mileage improves and it's out in time for when all those potential auto buyers finally jump off the fence and let loose. With sales so low, there have got to be lots of pent-up potential. Something's gotta give eventually. Annual sales going from 17m to 9m in just a couple of years is, IMHO, too big a correction...

Yes, the DI 3.6 V6 has been in the plan for 2010 for a while now. I'm not sure that buyers of these cars, even the V6 buyers, are that concerned about 1 or 2 mpg. I would think the G8's other traits are more relevant to their purchase decision. And a good thing, too: my last highway trip averaged 65 mph and barely over 22 mpg for 500 miles :o

You know Guy, I think you've got it wrong. It's not that I'm a Zeta basher, it's that YOU are a Zeta worshipper. Yes. And a Sigma hater. (Shame on you!). Bad combo. :no:

Can't we all just get along with.... Alpha... :lol:

Isn't there a 300 day supply on the lots or something ridiculous? At least it's not 100%.

Isn't there a huge supply of everything right now? I've seen articles where ports are storage sites for new cars that have nowhere to go....

whiskey tango foxtrot!

And a good thing, too: my last highway trip averaged 65 mph and barely over 22 mpg for 500 miles :o

That's about what our Impala gets. I can never bust out of the 23's. On the plus side, at 65mph, the vette gets 31 :D.

Well Jeremy, nice meeting you. Why wouldn't I choose to link this story? Should we not talk about it? For goodness sake, I've got over 14,000 posts. I've posted on more than just this. I've also seen that Astra story. I really didn't find it interesting enough to post about it. But if I had, would you call me an Astra basher?


It'd be totally dependent on the context.
So what you're saying is that I'm reading too much into it. That's why I asked, by the way ;)

Btw2, it's okay if you don't like Zeta -- it's not like there's a loyalty test -- maybe a question of your taste in cars :D


Further thoughts on the topic -- if they've built around 30000 G8s (based on number sold and amount in inventory, I think it's somewhere around there), they're selling 1300/month, and they've only sold ~17000, it makes sense to slow way down. I'm guessing that a large number, if not all, of the 1000 they will build will be GXPs. It also makes sense to limit 2010 model production for a while, as they won't draw down the entire 17000 in 5 months.

You know Guy, I think you've got it wrong. It's not that I'm a Zeta basher, it's that YOU are a Zeta worshipper. Yes. And a Sigma hater. (Shame on you!). Bad combo. :no:


As if you know the difference between Zeta and Sigma? If you do, please enlighten me as to what the actual differences are as all your criticisms of Zeta seem to focus on excessive 'weight' even though it's the cheaper GM platform. :think:

Further thoughts on the topic -- if they've built around 30000 G8s (based on number sold and amount in inventory, I think it's somewhere around there), they're selling 1300/month, and they've only sold ~17000, it makes sense to slow way down. I'm guessing that a large number, if not all, of the 1000 they will build will be GXPs. It also makes sense to limit 2010 model production for a while, as they won't draw down the entire 17000 in 5 months. If true, I'm honestly surprised it's that many.

I do a lot of driving out here in the midwest, especially during my race season. Not just driving out in the sticks either. Kansas City, Topeka, St. Louis, Springfield, Tulsa, Little Rock, OKC, etc.

Just this morning, I saw my FIRST G8 on the road. Have they as a company really alienated the "heartland" that badly?




Related - What is the story with the G8 coupe? Will there be one? If so, my wife may well put that on her list of cars to test drive.

As if you know the difference between Zeta and Sigma? If you do, please enlighten me as to what the actual differences are as all your criticisms of Zeta seem to focus on excessive 'weight' even though it's the cheaper GM platform. :think:


Oh, here we go. TAKE YOUR MEDS NOW!


Did you hear me criticize it?

And yes, I know precisely the differences between the two. I have had very detailed conversations with people who have worked and developed both. And oh yes ---- I have even taken the extreme measure of putting seat time in both.

If true, I'm honestly surprised it's that many.

I do a lot of driving out here in the midwest, especially during my race season. Not just driving out in the sticks either. Kansas City, Topeka, St. Louis, Springfield, Tulsa, Little Rock, OKC, etc.

Just this morning, I saw my FIRST G8 on the road. Have they as a company really alienated the "heartland" that badly?




Related - What is the story with the G8 coupe? Will there be one? If so, my wife may well put that on her list of cars to test drive.

G8 Coupe is long dead.

Oh, here we go. TAKE YOUR MEDS NOW!


Did you hear me criticize it?

And yes, I know precisely the differences between the two. I have had very detailed conversations with people who have worked and developed both. And oh yes ---- I have even taken the extreme measure of putting seat time in both.

Please calm down.

Now, I want you to put your conversations in print!

Educate me (us) PLEASE! :yes:

Don't forget that the G8 shipments to the US are few and far between. It might mean that the next boat load will only comprise a few hundred cars instead of a couple of thousand.

Please calm down.

Now, I want you to put your conversations in print!

Educate me (us) PLEASE! :yes:


Do a search my man.

Do a search my man.

I have but I haven't found anything of value... which is why I'm relying on you to inform me (us)!

Didn't you just make the statement...


You know Guy, I think you've got it wrong. It's not that I'm a Zeta basher, it's that YOU are a Zeta worshipper. Yes. And a Sigma hater. (Shame on you!). Bad combo.

Please elaborate! :yes:

... Why wouldn't I choose to link this story? Should we not talk about it? For goodness sake, I've got over 14,000 posts. I've posted on more than just this. I've also seen that Astra story. I really didn't find it interesting enough to post about it. But if I had, would you call me an Astra basher?

You know Guy, I think you've got it wrong. It's not that I'm a Zeta basher, it's that YOU are a Zeta worshipper. Yes. And a Sigma hater. (Shame on you!). Bad combo. :no:

I'm pretty open on what I think are the strengths and weaknesses of both - we sure have discussed it enough times. So I have say you're wrong on that.
I wouldn't call you a "basher"... but I do dislike you coming to a GM enthusiasts site to give prominence to articles with clear and insiduous anti-GM bias. Your mammoth post count ( :rolleyes: ) does nothing to boost your 'fairness cred' either, judging from your other posts condemning the new Camaro and for that matter, numerous other GM offerings, decisions and programs.

I have but I haven't found anything of value... which is why I'm relying on you to inform me (us)!

Didn't you just make the statement...



Please elaborate! :yes:

Mmmmm, I know I'm going to regret this - considering you've accused me of stating that " Zeta engineers are lazy" at least 3 times, (a pure fabrication on your part).
You've also stated that you know more about what a Camaro should be, than I , (or something along those lines), eventhough you've never ACTUALLY seen/touched/sat in/ridden in/driven/owned one..... :lol:

I'm sure some more of the usual suspects will be along soon with their two cents.


Here's the short version of Sigma vs Zeta.

Sigma has a superior front suspension (SLA vs Struts) than Zeta. Sigma is also abit more rigid than Zeta.

Zeta is cheaper to build than Sigma and can also be flexed to create larger cars than Sigma.

Driving my Y43 perf pkg CTS back to back with a G8 GT w/19" wheel pkg - gave me an excellent and first hand comparison of both.

Mmmmm, I know I'm going to regret this - considering you've accused me of stating that " Zeta engineers are lazy" at least 3 times, (a pure fabrication on your part).
You've also stated that you know more about what a Camaro should be, than I , (or something along those lines), eventhough you've never ACTUALLY seen/touched/sat in/ridden in/driven/owned one..... :lol:

I'm sure some more of the usual suspects will be along soon with their two cents.


Here's the short version of Sigma vs Zeta.

Sigma has a superior front suspension (SLA vs Struts) than Zeta. Sigma is also abit more rigid than Zeta.

Zeta is cheaper to build than Sigma and can also be flexed to create larger cars than Sigma.

Driving my Y43 perf pkg CTS back to back with a G8 GT w/19" wheel pkg - gave me an excellent and first hand comparison of both.

Thank you for your informed response but we all knew that! Linky (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f21/whats-so-bad-about-sigma-platform-57343/)
:no:

I still struggle to come to terms with your conflicting nature. How is it that the Sigma front end will save weight over Zeta... "weight" being the key word here as that is your main gripe with Zeta (unless there's more... oh yes the lack of 2L turbo...pfftttttt :cry:)! And don't tell me that BMW don't know what they're doing when it comes to McPherson front suspensions as the McPherson does just fine thank you!!! :eek:

Thank you for your informed response but we all knew that! Linky (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f21/whats-so-bad-about-sigma-platform-57343/)
:no:

I still struggle to come to terms with your conflicting nature. How is it that the Sigma front end will save weight over Zeta... "weight" being the key word here as that is your main gripe with Zeta (unless there's more... oh yes the lack of 2L turbo...pfftttttt :cry:)! And don't tell me that BMW don't know what they're doing when it comes to McPherson front suspensions as the McPherson does just fine thank you!!! :eek:


Like I said, take your meds or get some help. Did I ever say that Sigma's front end saves weight over Zeta's?
You are a disturbed person, seek help.

Like I said, take your meds or get some help. Did I ever say that Sigma's front end saves weight over Zeta's?
You are a disturbed person, seek help.

You cornered yourself, my friend. It's the way you seem to big-note yourself and undermine every argument that conflicts with yours that I take issue with. You are definitely not the true Camaro enthusiast you think you are despite your 14,000 posts!

PS No where did I accuse you of stating " Zeta engineers are lazy". You seem to confuse me with another detractor of yours.

You cornered yourself, my friend. It's the way you seem to big-note yourself and undermine every argument that conflicts with yours that I take issue with. You are definitely not the true Camaro enthusiast you think you are despite your 14,000 posts!

PS No where did I accuse you of stating " Zeta engineers are lazy". You seem to confuse me with another detractor of yours.

Cornered myself?

Like I said, seek help --you need it.

I see a disturbing trend when good topics like these turn bad. A common element, if you will.

I strongly suggest that those who cannot conduct themselves respectfully either learn to know when not to post or to take things to private e-mail.

If true, I'm honestly surprised it's that many.


"If true" is a good caveat. I'm basing that on reading somewhere (either here or on C&G) that there are 13000 unsold and somewhere else (wikipedia) that 15000 had been sold in calendar 2008. So as you can see, it's not an iron-clad number. :D

There are 3700 untagged, but I have no idea how many are tagged or in dealer inventory.

Here's the short version of Sigma vs Zeta.

Sigma has a superior front suspension (SLA vs Struts) than Zeta. Sigma is also abit more rigid than Zeta.

Zeta is cheaper to build than Sigma and can also be flexed to create larger cars than Sigma.

Driving my Y43 perf pkg CTS back to back with a G8 GT w/19" wheel pkg - gave me an excellent and first hand comparison of both.

If you were buying today, which would you get?

Gen1 CTS, Gen1 CTS-V, Gen2 CTS, Gen2 CTS-V, G8, G8 GT, G8 GXP. You probably haven't driven a gen2 CTS-V or a G8 GXP, I realize, so remove those from the list if you want.

What is the difference between the struts and the SLA in the driving experience?

If you were buying today, which would you get?

Gen1 CTS, Gen1 CTS-V, Gen2 CTS, Gen2 CTS-V, G8, G8 GT, G8 GXP. You probably haven't driven a gen2 CTS-V or a G8 GXP, I realize, so remove those from the list if you want.

What is the difference between the struts and the SLA in the driving experience?

Cost no object - Gen2 CTS-V. But of course cost is an object, I had alot more money 6 months ago. :cry:

Removing the two you mentioned, they're all good. The CTS-V rules the roost though.

CTS vs G8, CTS feels abit more responsive, direct and planted. But both are good though.

I see a disturbing trend when good topics like these turn bad. A common element, if you will...

There was never something 'good' about this topic. Giving it promininence in its own thread was corrosive from the start. What's the point of having such things, on an enthusiast site for GM fans? A quote:

In all likelihood, the G8's days are numbered just like the GTO before it, and possibly the Pontiac brand as well.

I disagree with the statement and the theme behind it. I don't come to this site to read more doom & gloom about GM, or pessimistic speculation for same. Why did the OP start this thread? That's a question that bears asking - yet I doubt it will be asked. This thread should have been locked after the first post.

There was never something 'good' about this topic. Giving it promininence in its own thread was corrosive from the start. What's the point of having such things, on an enthusiast site for GM fans? A quote:



I disagree with the statement and the theme behind it. I don't come to this site to read more doom & gloom about GM, or pessimistic speculation for same. Why did the OP start this thread? That's a question that bears asking - yet I doubt it will be asked. This thread should have been locked after the first post.

You can't be serious.

The title of the forum is "Automotive News", not "Completely independent of reality and so sweet it rots your teeth GM News."

There was never something 'good' about this topic. Giving it promininence in its own thread was corrosive from the start. What's the point of having such things, on an enthusiast site for GM fans? A quote:



I disagree with the statement and the theme behind it. I don't come to this site to read more doom & gloom about GM, or pessimistic speculation for same. Why did the OP start this thread? That's a question that bears asking - yet I doubt it will be asked. This thread should have been locked after the first post.

What a surreal way to view the posting and discussion of "automotive news".


Why don't you simply post your own selective "news" threads, instead of pissing all over mine.

You can't be serious.

The title of the forum is "Automotive News", not "Completely independent of reality and so sweet it rots your teeth GM News."

Well, I am serious. Maybe you and I have different views of what this place is for. To me, it's a lot like being in someone's actual garage who happens to be a big fan of GM vehicles, racing and design heritage, and especially all things related to the Camaro. If this were that place, I wouldn't go waltzing in to any part of the garage (whether called 'Automotive News' or not) and just blatantly bring up bad news about the General, especially with a provocative first announcement like "HEY EVERYONE... GM's Cutting G8 Production by 97%!". What do you think would happen if you did this in a real garage such as I mentioned? At BEST, I'd expect they'd tell you to leave.

Every member's entitled to post such tripe here on this GM ENTHUSIAST's site, after all it's run and moderated by the owners & admins and maybe they want the traffic. But I don't think such "news" is enjoyed or appreciated by the many true GM fans who frequent here, and I for one strongly dislike it. There are PLENTY of places (did I say, PLENTY?) people can go to find more doom-gloom about GM. Why make this one of them too?

What a surreal way to view the posting and discussion of "automotive news".


Why don't you simply post your own selective "news" threads, instead of pissing all over mine.

The irony is thick here. Apparently you want your cynical-about-GM threads to be free of dissent or challenges, but want freedom to post them? Huh?

you can choose to leave too.:)

I think my previous statement became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Unfortunately, in this day and age, not all news is good news when it comes to the automobile industry. The subject of this thread is about potential bad news, like it or not. While it is only a rumor, it is labeled as such so it is not misleading and no one seems to be showing any joy in reporting or discussing it.

I am more concerned about how grown ups are not acting accordingly, regardless of the subject matter. I can do without that more than I can do without the sad-but-possibly true news.

Guess I'm done here then. It's more fun turnin' bolts on my cars than it is here. I'll do that instead.

Can't we all just get along with.... Alpha... :lol:

On a lighter note....

If GM survives, Alpha is a go. In fact, we could potentially be seeing lots of neat things from it.

Let's how things go with the feds next week.

On a lighter note....

If GM survives, Alpha is a go. In fact, we could potentially be seeing lots of neat things from it.

Let's how things go with the feds next week.

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=668262
:)

Charlie's not to blame for the heading or the bad math. That honor goes to either the article's author Sam Abuelsamid or his editor at Autoblog who sensationalized what is a relatively routine move by an automaker.

Wrong. If you'd bothered to read the story you'd see the source of it is this:

http://www.thegmsource.com/index.php?categoryid=10&p2_articleid=1060

However Autoblog is guilty of repeating a notoriously bad source's story.