Zymol the BEST wax?
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Zymol the BEST wax?
After seeing the new thread on the "higher end" Zymol Estate Vintage wax-free sample given to an Autopia member I decided to check out the Zymol site.....
I then called Zymol's 800 number and spoke with "Jonathon". Jonathon told me that "automative paint breaths like your skin and that a clear coat is basically a clear coat of paint. " He told me "it's important that your paint be able to breath through out the life of your car "and the Zymol Concourse at $150.00 a jar plus the cleanser cream by Zymol at $20.00 and it's the best stuff for my 2001 Camaro SS. He then said the main reason guys in the net don't speak about Zymol is because the general public beleives it's a German made product which it really is not. Zymol was invented and manufactuered by an American in 1980 and is based out of Connecticut. I then told him I had heard the Zymol Cleaner Wax (sold at PepBoys, Walmart) out of the Chicago area was made by Turtle wax and he said "no, that's a misconception." It's marketed thru Turtle wax but made at the Zymol factory outside Chicago. He said Zaino is very bad for your paint because it seals your paint and your paint cannot breath and over time your paint will fade........ is this true? Is Zymol that good for your paint? Check it out at.......
http://www.zymol.com/concour2.htm
I stocked up on Zaino but now I'm confused!
Opinions are welcomed......
I then called Zymol's 800 number and spoke with "Jonathon". Jonathon told me that "automative paint breaths like your skin and that a clear coat is basically a clear coat of paint. " He told me "it's important that your paint be able to breath through out the life of your car "and the Zymol Concourse at $150.00 a jar plus the cleanser cream by Zymol at $20.00 and it's the best stuff for my 2001 Camaro SS. He then said the main reason guys in the net don't speak about Zymol is because the general public beleives it's a German made product which it really is not. Zymol was invented and manufactuered by an American in 1980 and is based out of Connecticut. I then told him I had heard the Zymol Cleaner Wax (sold at PepBoys, Walmart) out of the Chicago area was made by Turtle wax and he said "no, that's a misconception." It's marketed thru Turtle wax but made at the Zymol factory outside Chicago. He said Zaino is very bad for your paint because it seals your paint and your paint cannot breath and over time your paint will fade........ is this true? Is Zymol that good for your paint? Check it out at.......
http://www.zymol.com/concour2.htm
I stocked up on Zaino but now I'm confused!
Opinions are welcomed......
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LoL Good ole Zymol and their mismarketing and BS strikes again! No, paint does NOT breathe. Paint is not a living organism, and it will not suffocate. Unless you're using live organisms of some sort in the paint itself, it's just paint, nothing more. Besides, does clear coat suffocate the real paint pigment layer? No. Clear is much harder and durable than any wax or sealant, but since paint doesn't need to breath, it doesn't matter. He knows absolutely nothing about Zaino. Zaino is the most paint friendly product on the market, it will NEVER cause your paint to fade, but yes it does seal it in, so that it DOES NOT oxidize or fade. I laugh when I hear the marketing BS from guys like this trying to sell you a $150 wax that's nothing more than a blend of a fruity cocktail and a little carnauba. How's that gonna protect the paint? Honestly, think about it for a sec. How are coconut oils, montan oils, evergreen oils, banana oils, whatever oils protecting the paint? They aren't. Oils lay on top of the paint and wash away. They don't bond, but they do shine. Will they make your paint look good? Of course.....does furniture oil make a nice desk look good? Same principal. When people tell you all this stuff, keep a sharp eye, because a lot of it is completely untrue, false, or just marketing gimmicks to drum up business.
Did you ask him why Zymol is "marketed" through TW? More like manufactured AND marketed.....TW bought Zymol, nuff said.
LoL Zymol makes me laugh! It's always the same spiel touting why their carnauba is sooo much better than whatever else. Malm's is another one that does the same thing saying their carnauba is so much better than a sealant and sealants are just plain bad. It's BS and they know it. It's a marketing joke to save their business....nothing more. How do you sell carnauba these days when sealants offer more durability, shine, and protection which many people are turning too? Well, you create a bunch of crap that the average joe is likely to believe and scare them into thinking everything else is bad. Customers aren't morons. With more and more manufacturers going to polymers and sealants, the carnauba companies are stuggling to keep a marketing line as to why you need their product. Unfortunaltely, the lines they're spilling are untrue to SCARE you into using their products. After all would the average Joe know or care or ever once wonder if what they were told was true? What's more is that I'd go back to Meguiar's or Mother's all day before I ever used anything coming from Zymol. I don't appreciate their gimmicks and half truths. Most high end and some low/average end carnauba manufacturers realize their carnauas have limited protection and durability and are willing to say so.
Another case in point....ever wonder why Zymol says they use 50% carnauba in their waxes, leading you to believe THEIR waxes have the most carnauba than any other wax? Another marketing trick, because no carnauba wax could be applied if it were truly 50%. It would be hard as a rock! The most carnauba concentrations would be up to 20% or so to still be able to be properly used, and normally it's much less, like 1-5% in liquids and about 10-20% on average in pastes. The way Zymol gets around that trick is because of ALL the types of wax they may use in the formula, say 50% of the wax is actually carnauba, with the remaining 50% being montan, beewax, whatever wax. Yet, they just say, well, there's 50% carnauba wax! I would bet that about 15% or so of the formula is actually wax, and out of that 15%, 50% is carnauba wax. See how the game is played? You see...Zymol is full of good info huh? You don't need to spend $150 to get a good carnauba shine. Hell, S100 for $15 is better, Mother's is better, Souveran is better for a fraction of the cost. Whatever.....I just don't put up with BS like this.
Did you ask him why Zymol is "marketed" through TW? More like manufactured AND marketed.....TW bought Zymol, nuff said.
LoL Zymol makes me laugh! It's always the same spiel touting why their carnauba is sooo much better than whatever else. Malm's is another one that does the same thing saying their carnauba is so much better than a sealant and sealants are just plain bad. It's BS and they know it. It's a marketing joke to save their business....nothing more. How do you sell carnauba these days when sealants offer more durability, shine, and protection which many people are turning too? Well, you create a bunch of crap that the average joe is likely to believe and scare them into thinking everything else is bad. Customers aren't morons. With more and more manufacturers going to polymers and sealants, the carnauba companies are stuggling to keep a marketing line as to why you need their product. Unfortunaltely, the lines they're spilling are untrue to SCARE you into using their products. After all would the average Joe know or care or ever once wonder if what they were told was true? What's more is that I'd go back to Meguiar's or Mother's all day before I ever used anything coming from Zymol. I don't appreciate their gimmicks and half truths. Most high end and some low/average end carnauba manufacturers realize their carnauas have limited protection and durability and are willing to say so.
Another case in point....ever wonder why Zymol says they use 50% carnauba in their waxes, leading you to believe THEIR waxes have the most carnauba than any other wax? Another marketing trick, because no carnauba wax could be applied if it were truly 50%. It would be hard as a rock! The most carnauba concentrations would be up to 20% or so to still be able to be properly used, and normally it's much less, like 1-5% in liquids and about 10-20% on average in pastes. The way Zymol gets around that trick is because of ALL the types of wax they may use in the formula, say 50% of the wax is actually carnauba, with the remaining 50% being montan, beewax, whatever wax. Yet, they just say, well, there's 50% carnauba wax! I would bet that about 15% or so of the formula is actually wax, and out of that 15%, 50% is carnauba wax. See how the game is played? You see...Zymol is full of good info huh? You don't need to spend $150 to get a good carnauba shine. Hell, S100 for $15 is better, Mother's is better, Souveran is better for a fraction of the cost. Whatever.....I just don't put up with BS like this.
Last edited by MikeLS; Jan 8, 2003 at 11:39 AM.
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Anything fo rthe sale...
Breathing paint. LOL.
About the only time I could see this being true is when the paint is drtying after being freshly applied....
Definately do not want to put the Zaino on wet paint!! LOL!!
Breathing paint. LOL.
About the only time I could see this being true is when the paint is drtying after being freshly applied....
Definately do not want to put the Zaino on wet paint!! LOL!!
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I have answered this on the CF and the LS1 Forums as well:
Ray, first off Zymol is an average product at best, the only thing high end is Zymol price, most of Zymol products are the same with just the color and container of the product different. I purchased Zymol Estate Vintage that cost $1099.00 for the container (I had to see what you get for 1100 dollars) the product was in my opinion not as good as P21S or Meguiar's Gold Class. Paint does not need to breath, in fact the clear coat seals the paint, and the paint and clear coat are fully cured when a car leaves the factory, now some body shops that do not heat cure their paint may need some time for the paint to fully cure, but this is not true of factory paint, and if the guy you talked to on the phone knew anything about Zaino, he would know that Zaino because of it's makeup unlike waxes would allow your paint to breath, this is due to the fact that Zaino forms a flexible polymer coating, this allows Zaino to be applied to fresh paint, unlike wax that your always told to wait 30-90 days before "waxing" your car by most body shops. If you have any questions about this I would call Sal Zaino, because unlike most of the people selling car polishes/waxes today he spent 30 years as a custom car painter, he can tell you more about paints that anyone I have ever met. I think Zymol is still upset for their poor showing in The Wax Test, they finshed way below most of the average products. That is pretty funny about Turtle Wax in Chicago, I guess Turtle Wax and Zymol share the same address and the same factory in Chicago. Below are some facts that may help.
No offense but late model paint technology doesn't breathe, that's an
old myth.. once it cures that's it..... The older lacquers and enamels
needed time for the solvents to evaporate and release, that is where the
term "paint breathes" comes from. Wax would seal the paint and prevent
the solvents from releasing. This led to a whole bunch of paint related
problems. That's why paint manufacturers still tell you not to apply WAX
for thirty days.
Because WAX does not let the paint breathe.. and actually suffocates
it.. Funny ain't it....
All urethane paints and late technology paints use a catalyst for
hardening and curing. The paint is fully cured in about 36 to 72 hours.
But to answer your original question. Zaino contains no silicones or
waxes and yes it's breathable...
Zaino is a complex synthetic "polymeric system". For our purposes here
in layman terms, these polymers are lab produced hydrocarbon based
string like molecules which are capable of crosslinking or bonding
together to produce a (microscopic) flexible chain-link fence type of
weave. When applied to your car's clear coat, the Zaino polymers
produce a perfectly clear yet flexible layer of protection..
This layer is very thin, but (because it is flexible) can expand and
contract along with your car's sheet metal or in the corvette's case,
SMC or other fiberglass
composites and paint layers. It's also very tough and will out last
most wax based products by at least 4 to 1.
Any and all Carnauba or other wax based products when exposed to
repeated expansion and contraction (ie: heat of the
day and engine heat) will develop tiny 'cracks' which grow, allowing the
oils to leach out, and permit dirt to stick to the surface. This cycling
effect also makes the wax system
become unstable, decreasing gloss, water beading and paint
protection....
This will not happen with the Zaino polymers...
Ray, first off Zymol is an average product at best, the only thing high end is Zymol price, most of Zymol products are the same with just the color and container of the product different. I purchased Zymol Estate Vintage that cost $1099.00 for the container (I had to see what you get for 1100 dollars) the product was in my opinion not as good as P21S or Meguiar's Gold Class. Paint does not need to breath, in fact the clear coat seals the paint, and the paint and clear coat are fully cured when a car leaves the factory, now some body shops that do not heat cure their paint may need some time for the paint to fully cure, but this is not true of factory paint, and if the guy you talked to on the phone knew anything about Zaino, he would know that Zaino because of it's makeup unlike waxes would allow your paint to breath, this is due to the fact that Zaino forms a flexible polymer coating, this allows Zaino to be applied to fresh paint, unlike wax that your always told to wait 30-90 days before "waxing" your car by most body shops. If you have any questions about this I would call Sal Zaino, because unlike most of the people selling car polishes/waxes today he spent 30 years as a custom car painter, he can tell you more about paints that anyone I have ever met. I think Zymol is still upset for their poor showing in The Wax Test, they finshed way below most of the average products. That is pretty funny about Turtle Wax in Chicago, I guess Turtle Wax and Zymol share the same address and the same factory in Chicago. Below are some facts that may help.
No offense but late model paint technology doesn't breathe, that's an
old myth.. once it cures that's it..... The older lacquers and enamels
needed time for the solvents to evaporate and release, that is where the
term "paint breathes" comes from. Wax would seal the paint and prevent
the solvents from releasing. This led to a whole bunch of paint related
problems. That's why paint manufacturers still tell you not to apply WAX
for thirty days.
Because WAX does not let the paint breathe.. and actually suffocates
it.. Funny ain't it....
All urethane paints and late technology paints use a catalyst for
hardening and curing. The paint is fully cured in about 36 to 72 hours.
But to answer your original question. Zaino contains no silicones or
waxes and yes it's breathable...
Zaino is a complex synthetic "polymeric system". For our purposes here
in layman terms, these polymers are lab produced hydrocarbon based
string like molecules which are capable of crosslinking or bonding
together to produce a (microscopic) flexible chain-link fence type of
weave. When applied to your car's clear coat, the Zaino polymers
produce a perfectly clear yet flexible layer of protection..
This layer is very thin, but (because it is flexible) can expand and
contract along with your car's sheet metal or in the corvette's case,
SMC or other fiberglass
composites and paint layers. It's also very tough and will out last
most wax based products by at least 4 to 1.
Any and all Carnauba or other wax based products when exposed to
repeated expansion and contraction (ie: heat of the
day and engine heat) will develop tiny 'cracks' which grow, allowing the
oils to leach out, and permit dirt to stick to the surface. This cycling
effect also makes the wax system
become unstable, decreasing gloss, water beading and paint
protection....
This will not happen with the Zaino polymers...
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I've read over this site a few times and found the comparisons interesting. http://www.deckowski.com/wax%20off/greatwaxoffintro.htm
Not saying that I agree with all of his results, in fact I think there are some errors, but on average for a typical enthusiast I think he did a good job with the comparisons. Please note the rank/results of Zymol...both Kmart variety and the ripoff expensive crap.
Not saying that I agree with all of his results, in fact I think there are some errors, but on average for a typical enthusiast I think he did a good job with the comparisons. Please note the rank/results of Zymol...both Kmart variety and the ripoff expensive crap.
Thank you
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From: Memphis, TN
No problem Ray! I just hate to see people getting railroaded with BS info. It honestly aggrivates me, because it's like people have to create crap, lie, or cover up to sell their stuff and I find that reprehensible. I don't like being done that way, and I try to prevent others from being done that way too if I can help it. I'm all for the truth!
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From: Just south of Hell!!!
I got 2 bottles of Zymol, got it for a real good price $16. Anyhow it is a very good wax, I like it a lot. But once I am done with the zymol I will be moving on to Zaino, all the pictures I have seen of zaino cars are too good to not want to buy it.
Also if you check the Zymol site and ook at the NSX wax, it sells for way over $1000
Anyhow some rich guy did a test.
basically he took his Ferrari hood, detatched it from the car, with masking tape he broke it up into 4 sections. 1 for the NSX Zymol, 1 for the reg Zymol, 1 for Zaino, and 1 for something else.
He left it outside for about a month in the rain and whatnot, at the end of the month his conclusion was that Zaino was the best, the cheap zymol was 2nd, the NSX Zymol was 3rd, and whatever the last was was 4th. He mentioned the cheap Zymol looked much better than the NSX wax......
Also if you check the Zymol site and ook at the NSX wax, it sells for way over $1000
Anyhow some rich guy did a test.
basically he took his Ferrari hood, detatched it from the car, with masking tape he broke it up into 4 sections. 1 for the NSX Zymol, 1 for the reg Zymol, 1 for Zaino, and 1 for something else.
He left it outside for about a month in the rain and whatnot, at the end of the month his conclusion was that Zaino was the best, the cheap zymol was 2nd, the NSX Zymol was 3rd, and whatever the last was was 4th. He mentioned the cheap Zymol looked much better than the NSX wax......
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I've been deatailing alot of vehicles lately. I started using Zymol about 3 months ago, this stuff is excellent. When I would buff out a dark colored vehicle, swirl marks were left behind. Usually I have already compounded and glazed it already. Using Zymol with an orbital , and all the sirls are gone. Plus ahell of a shine.
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Originally posted by SumAnFGuy2002
I was looking at Zymol's website and honestly...what the hell makes a car wax cost $1600.00???
Allen
I was looking at Zymol's website and honestly...what the hell makes a car wax cost $1600.00???
Allen
Last edited by Darth Xed; Jan 17, 2003 at 01:25 PM.
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It really is unbelievable. It is unfortunate that I actually KNOW someone that has bought this kinda stuff! And even worse...he's family! lol! My cousin bought one of the waxes, not the most expensive one, but I believe his cost around 800.00. This guy owns a Bentley and Ferrari 550, so yah, he can afford to buy that kinda wax His Bentley is a wonderful chestnut color, and I can honestly say that when he waxes it up it is one of the most amazing cars I have ever seen in my life. Nothing that Zaino couldn't do, though! lol!
Allen
His Bentley is a wonderful chestnut color, and I can honestly say that when he waxes it up it is one of the most amazing cars I have ever seen in my life. Nothing that Zaino couldn't do, though! lol!Allen