Am I the only one interested in an alternate fuel Camaro?

In the interest of keeping the Camaro around for many more generations I'd like to see a hybrid, electric, or alternate fuel powered Camaro.

If they made a Camaro with the Volt type powertrain that could be as fast as a V8 I would be all over it.

no thanks.
you know, once we get these cars switched to electric or hybrids, the price of electricity is going to skyrocket. gas will go down electric will go up. theres no way to win. im telling you, after we get alot of "plug in cars" electricity is going to be a luxury to have.

Maybe, but a market currently dominated by petrol burning cars is currently driving up the price of oil (overall not currently this minute). If there were more electric options we might see more reasonable gas prices.

well of course you would. but you would see alot more prices on everything related to electricity go up.

In the interest of keeping the Camaro around for many more generations I'd like to see a hybrid, electric, or alternate fuel powered Camaro.

If they made a Camaro with the Volt type powertrain that could be as fast as a V8 I would be all over it.
If performance were not compromised, yes. Although I think I'd prefer a hydrodgen fuel cell version. Heck I'd opt for a E-85 version, if only I could buy E-85 fuel in California. :think:

e85 is a joke too. they have it available but for me here i would have to drive almost an hour to the CLOSEST place to get E85.

I'd like to see an E85 Camaro in the very near future. Nice racing fuel. ;)
I've seen reports on new ethanol sources...like algae...and it's damned impressive the amount of fuel you can get out of that stuff...

Anyways, I don't have any issues with a high-performing hybrid or electric Camaro. But I wonder if the costs to implement the hybrid system AND get it to perform well won't outweight any minor gas savins...so I can't say I'm "interested" in those options.

well you have too look at the longevity of the system you are putting in the car too. if its an electric car, how long will the battery last? how long will the warranty last? and most importantly , how much will it cost to replace battery packs and electrical components after your warranty expires? because obviously people want the electric cars for the long term. so people probably will have them long after warranties expire. electric cars are NICE, but not practical. very expensive to repair and even maintain. just wait till all of these guys that bought prius' run into their battery problems after the warranties are up. those things will be all over the market because no one will have wanted to pay to repair them. so they will trade them in.

It's weird, anyone from the metro Detroit area would love a E85 car, I mean nearly 1 out of 4 gas stations have ethanol on my way to work. I would love a flex fuel camaro but... without the badges.

I own a 07 impala flex fuel and its a charm, I'm not sure but I belive E85 is cleaner and better for the engine. And apparently it has a higher octane. Those look like all plus's. I think the only thing holding flex fuel cars back, is the lack of stations. But I'm not gonna lie filling up at $1.51 per gallon is great.

BTW flex fuel is soppose be less than a $1 by the following summer

I have an 01 S-10 I drive for work. I've always wanted to try it to see how it is when comparing price to fuel economy (which I understand is less), but I have yet to see a station with E85 since I bought the thing in 2002.

My Yukon seemed to get much worse mileage on E85.

I would be very interested in an electric or hydrogen power cell.

I would be very interested in an electric or hydrogen power cell.If it had decent range and performance wasn't compromised, I'm with you! :D

E85 has a lot of issues like rising food prices, substantial environmental impacts and decreased fuel mileage. Hybrids are more of a political statement than a good economic arguement. Pure electric? who knows. What I do know is that cars these days are very clean compared to a just a decade ago and I think gasoline will be around for many years to come.

E85 has a lot of issues like rising food prices, substantial environmental impacts and decreased fuel mileage.
Food price impacts (however overblown the media makes them seem) are ONLY from foodcrop-based Ethanol, usually corn. There are other "makes-more-sense" alternatives for E85 that I don't expect corn to be the primary ethanol-crop for much longer. Environmental impacts are variable. Some of the better ethanol crops can potentially be good for the environment. Many are neutral. And decreased fuel mileage is something you have we'd have to live with. "Can't get something for nothing" as the saying goes. But if the fuel is inexpensive enough to not adversely effect your wallet...who cares?

And you're all right about the E-85 stations thing...it's the same here. I've got ONE in my area...but it's not for public use. It's tied up in an industrial park somewhere...

The only alternate fuel I would want would be Diesel.

The only alternate fuel I would want would be Diesel.beat me to it.

My Yukon seemed to get much worse mileage on E85.

I think they traditionally get 10-15 % less fuel economy. Thats why I never understood the excitment for the fuel when it was only .10 -.20 cheaper (when I looked I don't know what the difference is now)

no thanks.
you know, once we get these cars switched to electric or hybrids, the price of electricity is going to skyrocket. gas will go down electric will go up. theres no way to win. im telling you, after we get alot of "plug in cars" electricity is going to be a luxury to have.

Actually, because most people will charge their cars during the night. There would hardly be an impact on the electricity grid during the daytime. The demand would virtually not change and therefore no real need for new power plants. Therefore, electric cars wouldn't cause the price to go up.

Besides, if you think that "plug in cars" will drive the price of electricity up. You better not use a stove or dryer because they suck a lot more power than the Chevy Volt will.

If you want alternative fuel that actually makes "sense". Look no further than HHO (Hydrogen). You burn HHO and it turns into H2O.

This isn't a "ohh it will never happen, people will never make HH0"...

Look at the Honda Clarity, which is in production and is lease in california for 600$/month. It runs exclusively on HH0.

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

You want real solution for the future? Support HHO.

These plug in cars that get 65km per charge is bull****.

I'm also not a very big fan of hybrids and will never buy one. It's only a patchwork job until they find a real alternate fuel. I'm not sure if anyone has read the CNWMR report and compared vehicles for cost to run and it's actually cheaper to buy a Hummer H2 than a toyota Prius in the long run.

The other problem with hybrids are their batteries. They are expensive and create a LOT of pollution when manufactured.

E85 pumps are slowing popping up in the DFW area. I am a strong supporter for E85 as a racing fuel. The C6R team uses.

If you want alternative fuel that actually makes "sense". Look no further than HHO (Hydrogen). You burn HHO and it turns into H2O.

This isn't a "ohh it will never happen, people will never make HH0"...

Look at the Honda Clarity, which is in production and is lease in california for 600$/month. It runs exclusively on HH0.

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

You want real solution for the future? Support HHO.

These plug in cars that get 65km per charge is bull****.

Where is hte energy coming from to make the HHO? Right now, unless there is a breakthrough I haven't heard about, it takes significantly more energy to make HHO than you get from it recombining to H2O. That is why I don't think that HHO is a supportable, viable alternative energy source right now.

It's weird, anyone from the metro Detroit area would love a E85 car, I mean nearly 1 out of 4 gas stations have ethanol on my way to work. I would love a flex fuel camaro but... without the badges.

I own a 07 impala flex fuel and its a charm, I'm not sure but I belive E85 is cleaner and better for the engine. And apparently it has a higher octane. Those look like all plus's. I think the only thing holding flex fuel cars back, is the lack of stations. But I'm not gonna lie filling up at $1.51 per gallon is great.

BTW flex fuel is soppose be less than a $1 by the following summerWhen i was in Phoenix AZ last Dec(08) stations there had e85 for around $2.20/gal vs prem.@1.89,so this is typical of new technology in that price gouging is rampant early on:mad:

the thought of an electric camaro is horrible and makes me sad:(

Where is hte energy coming from to make the HHO? Right now, unless there is a breakthrough I haven't heard about, it takes significantly more energy to make HHO than you get from it recombining to H2O. That is why I don't think that HHO is a supportable, viable alternative energy source right now.

Well, I understand your point of you and agree. I realize it takes a lot of energy to make HHO. However, they are doing it already in California so why shouldn't the rest of the world get on board?

the thought of an electric camaro is horrible and makes me sad:(

I just call it the Volt...

Where does the energy come from? Remember the NIMBY crowd, they don't want dirty power plants taking away from their views and dirtying the air.
I believe that Iceland is doing this for the entire country, but they are using geothermal because they have the excess capacity to make it viable. As a Navy Submarine Electrician, I enjoy hearing about this stuff. The more power plants that are built, the better my job prospects once I retire.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/23/2144774.htm
I have no issue driving a HHO or an electric Camaro. I plan dropping whatever the next new power plant into my '86 once it is cost effective.

:Irvine World News; :Aug 16, 2007; :Business; :21


Hydrogen cars to be shipped to Iceland
Vehicles were designed and engineered by Irvine-based Quantum Technologies Inc.
BY CATHY TRAN IRVINE WORLD NEWS



Quantum Technologies Inc., based in Irvine, presented hydrogen-powered Toyota Prius cars to companies in Iceland last week. Ten cars are scheduled for shipment to Iceland next week.

Three of the cars will be available for rent through Hertz and seven will be used as service vehicles, said Jón Björn Skúlason, the CEO of Vistorka, the largest energy company in Iceland. His company will keep one of the cars.

Hreinn Sigmarsson, the fleet manager of Hertz, said he hopes the option to rent a hydrogen-powered car will help familiarize people with the new technology and to build community acceptance for the concept.

The handover was at the Lake Forest office where the cars were converted from a regular Toyota Prius to the hydrogen-powered cars. Program manager Walter Dubno said that process takes about a week and a half with two people working full-time. The hydrogen fuel systems were designed and engineered at Quantum’s Irvine site.

The company has sold about 75 hydrogen-powered Toyota Prius cars, according to CEO Alan Niedzwiecki. Each car cost about $116,000. The cars are available to anyone who lives near a hydrogen fueling station, said Paul Rivera, Quantum’s director of business development. In Orange County, there are refueling stations at UC Irvine, Santa Ana Maintenance Yard and Quantum’s Lake Forest facility.


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To power a Prius for 100 miles with hydrogen gas costs about $15, Rivera said.

Quantum’s other projects include a hydrogen-powered Ford Escape vehicle for the U.S. military. The vehicle runs quietly, said Niedzwiecki, and he expects it to be ready at the end of the year. Quantum is also working hydrogen-powered cars for an undisclosed Hungarian company.


That is about what it cost to drive my Explorer or Suburban 100 miles @ $2/gal.

Yeah that is a bit expensive considering we're just talking about a Prius here... The only advantage really is the fact you won't run out of water to create HHO. The only issue is you need fresh water, which is limited and if we all jump on that...

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with.

no thanks.
you know, once we get these cars switched to electric or hybrids, the price of electricity is going to skyrocket. gas will go down electric will go up. theres no way to win. im telling you, after we get alot of "plug in cars" electricity is going to be a luxury to have.

Ever heard of supply and demand? If electric goes up too much people will stick with gasoline. The biggest thing going for electric is that it is cheaper. You can drive your Tesla Roadster 200miles+ for about $6-$7. Compared to $15-$18 in any other sports car.

Ever heard of supply and demand? If electric goes up too much people will stick with gasoline. The biggest thing going for electric is that it is cheaper. You can drive your Tesla Roadster 200miles+ for about $6-$7. Compared to $15-$18 in any other sports car.

Actually, I think you charging your car will compete for the same coal or <fill in power plant fuel used in your area> used to heat your house in the winter etc etc. I think youre right in that the market will figure itself out as the technologies compete with eachother. I also think that as more and more people use electricitiy in their cars they will drive up their winter heating bills, as well as the heating bills of people who dont even drive but are now competing for massive amounts of charging cars... I think there is alot of potential, but I think people are expecting to get it for free. IE possibly paying more for heating in the winter if the auto fuel market moves in that direction..

In MN, we have e-85 equipped stations all over the place. It makes a pretty good performance fuel if you tune for it & make whatever fuel system mods your car needs. For street use it doesn't make much sense. Most independent tests show fuel mileage decreases anywhere from 20-30%. To make sense economically, you need it to be that much cheaper. It's not. It is cheaper here in MN, but it's got other financial issues. The cheaper cost is due to government subsidies, which of course come from all of our taxes. It actually rose in cost right along w/regular gas. It costs more to make and does increase food costs (which we pay at the grocery store), although how much is debatable. Diesel is better, but economically it costs 20-30% more (depending on the market) so you need to make sure you're getting that much of an increase in mileage. For either, you need to figure in the increased cost of a diesel or e-85 equipped veh . E-85 will get cheaper to produce, but most likely the subsidies will also go away as that happens. For awhile, gas is still king. No performance car will ever make sense as an economy car. They are opposing goals. To maximize one you end up taking from the other.