2010 Camaro Exhaust Options

Ok guy/girls...our long awaited car is almost here. I like many others cannot leave well enough alone when it comes to my cars. One of the first changes to my 2SS will be a mean sounding set of mufflers. I have always been a Flowmaster fan, but want something different this time around. I have narrowed it down to Corsa, with the aggressive black mufflers, or SLP loudmouth set up. I like loud muscle cars. Does anyone have any thoughts on these 2 systems, experiences, feedback, other suggestions.

its a new exhaust configuration on a car thats not out yet, i dont think you will find any info yet on which companies are developing what, what their exhausts will look like or sound like.

I have a Corsa system on my current Camaro. I would have to be very impressed by some other system in order to choose anything but that for a 2010, assuming they make one.

borla has designed the gmpp system for the camaro so im sure they are and will be the first to have a system out for the camaro.
i plan on doing the borla catback system and probably hooker long tube headers. just to give it that deep aggressive sound.

Ok guy/girls...our long awaited car is almost here. I like many others cannot leave well enough alone when it comes to my cars. One of the first changes to my 2SS will be a mean sounding set of mufflers. I have always been a Flowmaster fan, but want something different this time around. I have narrowed it down to Corsa, with the aggressive black mufflers, or SLP loudmouth set up. I like loud muscle cars. Does anyone have any thoughts on these 2 systems, experiences, feedback, other suggestions.

1. The car is still 3 months from ending up in the showroom.

2. You haven't heard the Camaro's exhaust yet.

3. You have no idea on how efficient the Camaro's exhaust is.


One of the hot rodding mags got ahold of a Challenger SRT8, and (like you) the first thing they did was install an aftermarket exhaust.

Funny thing.

The aftermarket exhaust was more restrictive than the one from the factory. Turns out, the aftermarket exhaust had a smaller diameter than the aftermarket one. If I remember, I've also read that the Challenger SRT8's mufflers are perhaps better than any available aftermarket item.

Both cases, it was Borla.


Wait till it's actually in showrooms and you've heard the exhause tone yourself and read about how efficient it is (or isn't) before blowing that hard earned money that might have better use elsewhere in the car. ;)

1. The car is still 3 months from ending up in the showroom.

2. You haven't heard the Camaro's exhaust yet.

3. You have no idea on how efficient the Camaro's exhaust is.


One of the hot rodding mags got ahold of a Challenger SRT8, and (like you) the first thing they did was install an aftermarket exhaust.

Funny thing.

The aftermarket exhaust was more restrictive than the one from the factory. Turns out, the aftermarket exhaust had a smaller diameter than the aftermarket one. If I remember, I've also read that the Challenger SRT8's mufflers are perhaps better than any available aftermarket item.


Wait till it's actually in showrooms and you've heard the exhause tone yourself and read about how efficient it is (or isn't) before blowing that hard earned money that might have better use elsewhere in the car. ;)well obviously they have done the research on the gmpp exhaust and im sure it has a better sound to it( better as in deeper, and maybe a bit more hp rating). and it was already confirmed from a guy at borla that they made the gmpp exhaust. i would imagine if borla made this gmpp exhaust then it has to have some advantages over the stock.

I'll be installing a set of chambered mufflers on my car. I love the way they sound.

One of the hot rodding mags got ahold of a Challenger SRT8, and (like you) the first thing they did was install an aftermarket exhaust.

Funny thing.

The aftermarket exhaust was more restrictive than the one from the factory. Turns out, the aftermarket exhaust had a smaller diameter than the aftermarket one. If I remember, I've also read that the Challenger SRT8's mufflers are perhaps better than any available aftermarket item.

Both cases, it was Borla.


That magazine was Hot Rod. The Borla Magnum system they installed had a 2 1/2-inch diameter, compared to the stock system's 2 3/4-inches. The Borla system, however, picked up 17 HP on the dyno over the stock system.

I promise that welding a set up Dynomax or equivilent bullet mufflers will outflow, make the car louder, and be cost effecient.;) May not be everyones cup of tea however. If GM runs a 2.5 inch true dual system stock you will have enough pipe to support 500 hp or so.

i think im going to go with 3" all the way from the headers.

Muffler? What muffler? I plan on getting rid of mine probably the first week. It should be loud enough then... Anybody thought about doing the cutouts like we use to?

i think im going to go with 3" all the way from the headers.

Why? From what I understand, bigger diameter doesn't necessarily make more horsepower or torque.

3" good idea-she'll breathe easier for the future mods:cool:

3" good idea-she'll breathe easier for the future mods:cool:

But until you add the required mods, you'll be down on torque numbers due to the huge 3" dual exhaust on the factory setup.

I would stick to either a muffler sawp/muffler delete until the new mods are done. Heads/Cam, cold air, and a set of long tubes would get you close to actually using the dual 3" exhaust, but ideally, yoiu would be looking at stoker or forced induction to need that kind of exhaust flow. If the cats are as efficient as the ones on the new Vettes, then you won't gain tons of power form cutting them, just more noise.

3" is a good diameter for a single I-pipe, but oversized for a true dual exhaust unless your pushing serious horsepower. As mentioned above, you'll be less efficient with a system that large without a serious head/cam or power adder (ie. s/s, nitrous, turbo).

Any audio clips of the coming exhaust on the SS?

i just received some news about BORLA. they have finished their 2 systems for the new camaro. there will be a mild and an aggressive catback system. they also are making short and long tube headers. they told me they will be available later this month. good news for me! looks like im getting my new exhaust this month.

I remember the good old days when a car came out before you bought aftermarket parts for it :rolleyes:

not any more! the aftermarket companies are getting more aggressive to gettheir products out before the other guy. this is a good thing. this meens there is going to be quite a bit of interest in this car as far as aftermarket.

1. The car is still 3 months from ending up in the showroom.

2. You haven't heard the Camaro's exhaust yet.

3. You have no idea on how efficient the Camaro's exhaust is.


One of the hot rodding mags got ahold of a Challenger SRT8, and (like you) the first thing they did was install an aftermarket exhaust.

Funny thing.

The aftermarket exhaust was more restrictive than the one from the factory. Turns out, the aftermarket exhaust had a smaller diameter than the aftermarket one. If I remember, I've also read that the Challenger SRT8's mufflers are perhaps better than any available aftermarket item.

Both cases, it was Borla.


Wait till it's actually in showrooms and you've heard the exhause tone yourself and read about how efficient it is (or isn't) before blowing that hard earned money that might have better use elsewhere in the car. ;)The 2.5 was a early test and when Hot Rod returned the car Borla had a 2.75 developed.Worth 17 h.p on dyno.This from Aug.08 Challenger bolton test.

I can't wait to get my 2SS and throw two big shiny APC sport compact mufflers on it...NOT!!! I've narrowed it down to 3 options. Borla, Corsa, or Billy Boat Bullets!

just received another email from Borla. they said their 2 types of exhaust(s type, and touring) are now available. they also have off road long tube headers. allow 10-12 weeks for delivery and they will not charge your credit card until that time.

looks like i am ordering part number 2 and 3 for my car i dont yet have !:)

Going with glasspacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasspack) here:metal:
Actually some Z06 mufflers(with the bypass) would be my first choice!

just received another email from Borla. they said their 2 types of exhaust(s type, and touring) are now available. they also have off road long tube headers. allow 10-12 weeks for delivery and they will not charge your credit card until that time.

looks like i am ordering part number 2 and 3 for my car i dont yet have !:)

How can they have headers made? The car isnt out yet and im sure GM didnt give them one. Where is your proof?

i just got another email from them and they are claiming a 7% hp and torque gain over stock,out of a 2 1/2" piping, with their exhaust.

my proof is greg weiss at borla.

140280 – “S type” aggressive cat-back system $1,449.99

140281 – Touring cat-back system $1,486.99

17249 – Off road long tube headers $1,025.99
heres the part numbers he gave me. nothing is up on the web sight though.

Got his number or email address.....I might be interested, but no one I talked to at Borla had heard of him or knew anything about them.

The car isnt out yet. no production models have been sold or given out besides GM testing. Until you show PROOF Ill call bs.

3D/CAD/UG/data files have been released to companies for several months. Since the companies typically use compatible software to design their parts, they can get a large majority of the part design and production planning done before they ever get a car in their possession.

3D/CAD/UG/data files have been released to companies for several months. Since the companies typically use compatible software to design their parts, they can get a large majority of the part design and production planning done before they ever get a car in their possession.

True but how would they have been able to dyno test one? How would they get flow data/performace gains without a test mule?

hey i dont care whether you believe me or not. all i did was go to borla.com and clicked on contact us and i emailed them regarding questions about the exhaust. if you dont want to believe me then dont. here his email eddress. you ask him yourself......

Greg L. Weiss

Customer Service Manager

Account Manager

Borla Performance Industries

701 Arcturus Ave

Oxnard, CA 93033

Direct Line: 805-246-6062

Fax: 805-986-8940

gregw@borla.com

AIM:gregwatborla

Got his number or email address.....I might be interested, but no one I talked to at Borla had heard of him or knew anything about them.

well it depends on who your talking to whether or not they know him. hey dont shoot the messanger. if you have a problem with what they are telling me then you take it up with him directly. im just passing on the information he has given me because i thought that maybe some of you might be interested in it. see if i help any of you out again.

True but how would they have been able to dyno test one? How would they get flow data/performace gains without a test mule?

I didn't notice a mentioning that they have dyno tested one but Borla is a pretty big company, I am sure they know what they are doing and can get very close to the real thing as far as simulated results.

I have talked to a lot of companies that are doing everything they can to hit the ground running as fast as possible for this car. Everyone wants to be as ready as they can.

i just got another email from them and they are claiming a 7% hp and torque gain over stock,out of a 2 1/2" piping, with their exhaust.

Thats what I was refering to.


Im not trying to start any arguments, and I believe they are working on systems but something this big Im sure they advertise. I would love to see/hear the testing and see some of it. It just seems odd that the only thing ive seen about it is from 20105thgen who isnt associated with the company.

all i did was email them and ask a question. you can do the same thing and stop targeting me as the bad guy. do some work of your own then, and find out by yourself. ive been emailing every company as far as aftermarket, that i can think of, just to find out what i can about camaro parts.

from what ive heard from the guys at borla , is that they were the ones who designed the gmpp exhaust. so if this is true, they would have all the numbers to make the correct bends in the pipes and have probably fit a system up under a camaro. if chevy were to give them a camaro to make the gmpp system, who to say they didnt get some other measurements while they were under their for the headers and the cat back? maybe they have some exclusivity with chevy that if they did they system for gmpp then they could get the fitments as long as they didnt release it until a certain date. i dont know. but i know that they (borla reps) told me they worked on the gmpp exhaust.

Dont get so defensive man. Surely you didnt think you'd be the only one with info on a complete exhaust from Borla and not be asked or doubted when Borla hasnt said anything. No offensive.

if you dont believe then do the homewoork your self. dont go by my word. but im here to help out with these things and get as much info as i can.well borla hasnt really said anything. the only reason they told me was becasue i asked. they dont have it listed on the web sight, and they havent dont any advertising for it that i know of. i asked them last year about the system. they told me to wait until january . i asked in the begining of last month about it and they said nothing was going to be released until the end of the month. i asked at the end of the month and thats the info they gave me.

i dont appreciate people telling me its a bunch of BS and the people dont exist and no one has ever heard of that guy. no one has tried to find out anything apparently. they just want to jump the gun to say im wrong.

i dont appreciate people telling me its a bunch of BS and the people dont exist and no one has ever heard of that guy. no one has tried to find out anything apparently. they just want to jump the gun to say im wrong.

Calm down man. Its just a car forum and we were all wondering since you said you had the info. And i did email Borla and check their website before you said his name so I did do my homework and found nothing yet. Maybe they havnt mailed me.

its not posted on their web sight yet if you try to put the part numbers in. they take a while to get any responce from. it took me about a day per question to get a responce for some reason.

we'll be going with the SLP Loudmouth. we have it on a few of our fourth gens and i LOVE the way it sounds. i heard it's gonna be released when the car is.

we'll be going with the SLP Loudmouth. we have it on a few of our fourth gens and i LOVE the way it sounds. i heard it's gonna be released when the car is.
i had that on my 99 trans am. it sounded good except for when you put headers on with it. it sounds absolutely horrible. way too loud and raspy. it is nice if your just running stock up front though.

Does anyone know if they are making exhaust for the 2010 I can't find anything and I would like to have it before my car gets to me in May. If anyone has any links please send them to me Thanks

Dealer installed..for a price. You ought to be able to find several companies having them available very shortly after launch, but I don't know of any right this minute that are advertising.

You're expecting delivery in May? Cool. When did you order and what kind of build date did they give you?

Does anyone know if they are making exhaust for the 2010 I can't find anything and I would like to have it before my car gets to me in May. If anyone has any links please send them to me Thanks

the only exhaust option i can think of that will be out at launch would be the gmpp exhaust through the dealer. alot of other companies have things in the work but like borla told me, they wont be able able to get them out until 4 weeks+ after order is recieved

Dealer installed..for a price. You ought to be able to find several companies having them available very shortly after launch, but I don't know of any right this minute that are advertising.

You're expecting delivery in May? Cool. When did you order and what kind of build date did they give you?

I ordered Black with Black interior/ White Rally Stripes/ Rs package / SS2 manual Trans/did'nt like the infero package. I got comformation on Monday that mine will be on the line and expected delivery is Mid to end of May. I will post pics as soon as I get it. First thing is I want to see how the exhaust sounds and probably change that right away but everyone tell me nothing to order till production hits the street for a few months. So if you hear of anything please post it.

Just buy the mufflers you want and weld them in.

I know people are looking for bolt on options, but you already have just about as many options as you ever will.

Just buy the mufflers you want and weld them in.

I know people are looking for bolt on options, but you already have just about as many options as you ever will.

Tacky. welding in muffler would end up costing just as muchas buying a set of mufflers and tios that BOLT in. just like the vette, you can buy cat back or bolt on muffler and tips.

I am a chevy man but i have to admit that the mustangs exhaust has the best sound. It has to do with the TRUE duel exhaust and not necked down from two into one (Y-pipe) back out to two exhaust. I hope the new Camaro does this instead of the old way. All they have to do is move the gas tank to the center. You can put any cat back exhaust on the Camaro and it still sounds like a truck!

I am a chevy man but i have to admit that the mustangs exhaust has the best sound. It has to do with the TRUE duel exhaust and not necked down from two into one (Y-pipe) back out to two exhaust. I hope the new Camaro does this instead of the old way. All they have to do is move the gas tank to the center. You can put any cat back exhaust on the Camaro and it still sounds like a truck!

mustangs sound is basically because of their h-pipe. 4th gens had the y pipe. im interested in seeing how good the true duals on the ss sound with a good set of pipes!

I am a chevy man but i have to admit that the mustangs exhaust has the best sound. It has to do with the TRUE duel exhaust and not necked down from two into one (Y-pipe) back out to two exhaust. I hope the new Camaro does this instead of the old way. All they have to do is move the gas tank to the center. You can put any cat back exhaust on the Camaro and it still sounds like a truck!

mustangs sound is basically because of their h-pipe. 4th gens had the y pipe. im interested in seeing how good the true duals on the ss sound with a good set of pipes!

well i have the slp cme.. and i added the SLP loudmouth and i love the sound. the thing is it sounds different compared to other exhaust and it gives it a better muscle sound..

well i have the slp cme.. and i added the SLP loudmouth and i love the sound. the thing is it sounds different compared to other exhaust and it gives it a better muscle sound..
not with long tube headers. it sounds terrable. i had it on my trans am and it was ok at idle, but if you are behind the car when taking off, it sounds raspy. then i put headers on and it was just plain aweful.

How can they have headers made? The car isnt out yet and im sure GM didnt give them one. Where is your proof?
140280 – “S type” aggressive cat-back system $1,449.99

140281 – Touring cat-back system $1,486.99

17249 – Off road long tube headers $1,025.99
heres the part numbers he gave me. nothing is up on the web sight though.
The car isnt out yet. no production models have been sold or given out besides GM testing. Until you show PROOF Ill call bs.
from what ive heard from the guys at borla , is that they were the ones who designed the gmpp exhaust. so if this is true, they would have all the numbers to make the correct bends in the pipes and have probably fit a system up under a camaro. if chevy were to give them a camaro to make the gmpp system, who to say they didnt get some other measurements while they were under their for the headers and the cat back? maybe they have some exclusivity with chevy that if they did they system for gmpp then they could get the fitments as long as they didnt release it until a certain date. i dont know. but i know that they (borla reps) told me they worked on the gmpp exhaust.

OK.
Borla makes the factory exhaust for the Camaro so for that reason they already have exhaust packages for both the V8 and V6.

There are also other companies like Magnaflow who also have exhaust systems for the Camaro.

Check out the threads in my sig.

i placed my order for the borla headers and aggressive cat back a week and a half ago. they arent even made yet. i am expecting delivery may 5th.

mustangs sound is basically because of their h-pipe. 4th gens had the y pipe. im interested in seeing how good the true duals on the ss sound with a good set of pipes!
Yeah the 5th gen will probably end up sounded better than the 4th gens )at least for the guys that still have a Y pipe).

I like my long tubes into an SLP Dual-Dual though :)

Tacky. welding in muffler would end up costing just as muchas buying a set of mufflers and tios that BOLT in. just like the vette, you can buy cat back or bolt on muffler and tips.

Welding in a different set of mufflers is tacky now?

it doesnt look professional. its much cheaper,easier and better looking just buying a cat back with all the piping you need and all the welding already done.

the stock camaro exhaust on the 1SS's has a nice "crack to it" sounds much like the escalades and denalis. most will be pleased

yeah, my grandpas escalade has a very sweet sound to it. and thats coming from a SUV!

Welding in a different set of mufflers is tacky now?

I agree with you. You could probably have a set of Dynomax race bullets welding in for less than $200 parts and labor, and unless some body lays under the car they would never know the difference. The car already has an x-pipe and plenty of tube diameter.

Well after seeing that the new camaro now has true duel exhaust, I'm sure it will sound real healthy especially with 400+ horsepower. The dealership here has an orange 2SS with 21" wheels. I was told that they plan on installing a new exhaust that can be purchased through gm. Apparently it won't void the warrantee. GM also has a set of shorty headers for the camaros.

I wonder how good it will sound with a cam.:D

Has anybody seen the SS exhaust yet? I saw a picture of the exhaust on another forum and let me tell you it's restrictive as hell. 4 cats 2 resonators and the big garbage can mufflers by the tailpipe! A full exhaust system will really wake this car up. Also I don't think headers will be too hard to install. I saw the SS with the hood open and there was decent room there for headers. Only thing in the way a little was the steering shaft on the driver's side.

Here's a link to lots of pics of the undercarriage http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/2010-camaro/1088937-2010-ss-driving-impressions-tons-under-carriage-shots.html

Has anybody seen the SS exhaust yet? I saw a picture of the exhaust on another forum and let me tell you it's restrictive as hell. 4 cats 2 resonators and the big garbage can mufflers by the tailpipe!

You can't tell how restrictive an exhaust component is by looking at the outside of it. :no:

You are probably right that a full exhaust will wake it up -- after all, it makes a big difference on the Corvette. :yes:

i gotta pick my borla up from summit on friday. i ordered the long tube headers and aggressive catback. its going to sound mean as HELL!

You can't tell how restrictive an exhaust component is by looking at the outside of it. :no:

You are probably right that a full exhaust will wake it up -- after all, it makes a big difference on the Corvette. :yes:You can tell, if your not a noob to modding cars ;) Don't get me wrong here. The exhaust on this car is much better than the 4th gens. But 4 cats? The vettes don't use 4 cats. I know the pipes won't be bigger than 2 1/2" because the cats need back pressure to function properly. GM is deliberately holding the car back. I believe us Modders will be pleasantly surprised what this car will run with boltons. Heck, I believe people will be surprised what it will run stock with a capable driver. :D

GM is deliberately holding the car back.

:rolleyes:

You act like they said, "It's too fast, let's add an extra pair of catalytic converters."

all those components are there for a reason. whether it be for sound or emmisions, it probably was put there for a reason. just gives you more of a shock when you replace it and open it up!

:rolleyes:

You act like they said, "It's too fast, let's add an extra pair of catalytic converters."Yeah, I guess I did come off sounding that way, lol. What can I say, from a hot rodder's perspective, they are holding it back! :D I'm sure GM had their reasons why they do what they have to do though. Otherwise we wouldn't have fun modding their cars. :)

it doesnt look professional. its much cheaper,easier and better looking just buying a cat back with all the piping you need and all the welding already done.

Maybe for new age pansies but where I come from if you wanted a louder exhaust you welded in some cherry bombs lol. Cat backs are great but if it is a mandrel bent, good size piped system, the mufflers would be a great addition to the system, no need for a whole new one.

well for me, im going for a professional look. i dont like the look of cutting and welding in some mufflers. i think all cat back systems are mandrel bent now. as far as the size of the pipes, some test have shown that size isnt always the best for the car. the borla i got, said it was 2 1/2". i thought it would be 3" but they said 2 1/2" was the best for power and the backpressure. i guess its all what you prefer. i just think it looks cheap welding in some mufflers. ive done it before on other cars and it doesnt look good at all. especially if you go to car shows or if your in magazines and they do an under chassy shot. :)

well for me, im going for a professional look. i dont like the look of cutting and welding in some mufflers. i think all cat back systems are mandrel bent now. as far as the size of the pipes, some test have shown that size isnt always the best for the car. the borla i got, said it was 2 1/2". i thought it would be 3" but they said 2 1/2" was the best for power and the backpressure. i guess its all what you prefer. i just think it looks cheap welding in some mufflers. ive done it before on other cars and it doesnt look good at all. especially if you go to car shows or if your in magazines and they do an under chassy shot. :)

Borla has to weld the system together, as long as a competent welder does the job it is not going to look that much different than a prefabbed Borla system. You could see the welds on my SLP system, my friends Corsa. It all has to be welded at some point.

Borla has to weld the system together, as long as a competent welder does the job it is not going to look that much different than a prefabbed Borla system. You could see the welds on my SLP system, my friends Corsa. It all has to be welded at some point.

What he said. I would put the custom exhaust systems from the shop i get mine done at against Borla anyday. Just get someone who knows what they are doing.

And i didnt say the catback needed to be a bigger size. Thats what I said was the stock exhaust flows enough, you just want it louder. Well there you go, weld in some free flowing mufflers. Same look, same flow,1/5 the price.

What he said. I would put the custom exhaust systems from the shop i get mine done at against Borla anyday. Just get someone who knows what they are doing.

And i didnt say the catback needed to be a bigger size. Thats what I said was the stock exhaust flows enough, you just want it louder. Well there you go, weld in some free flowing mufflers. Same look, same flow,1/5 the price.

Seriously, 2 $40 Dynomax race bullets, and maybe $100 for welding and you are done.

140280 – “S type” aggressive cat-back system $1,449.99

140281 – Touring cat-back system $1,486.99

17249 – Off road long tube headers $1,025.99
heres the part numbers he gave me. nothing is up on the web sight though.

Holy hell how can anyone find this reasonable?

$2500 in exhaust? I have less than that in my exhaust, turbo, standalone, and shortblock. And yes my welds look tacky.

I would be currious to hear what it sounds like without the muffler. I mean 4 cats and the resonators would still keep it toned down some.

Holy hell how can anyone find this reasonable?

$2500 in exhaust? I have less than that in my exhaust, turbo, standalone, and shortblock. And yes my welds look tacky.

I would be currious to hear what it sounds like without the muffler. I mean 4 cats and the resonators would still keep it toned down some.

Thats what happens when people are scared to do their own work. Headers, ok on that, can make your set but that is alot of fab work, but that system could be duplicated for $500 tops from a good shop. My local shop only charged $500 to do a complete header back 3in mandrel system on an ls1 with longtubes and it looked excelent. The 5th gen has alot more room with its factory true duals.

http://slptv.slponline.com/video_detail.php?mId=8794

Borla has to weld the system together, as long as a competent welder does the job it is not going to look that much different than a prefabbed Borla system. You could see the welds on my SLP system, my friends Corsa. It all has to be welded at some point.
yes i know. it looks much cleaner and FINISHED when you buy a complete system compared to just buying mufflers and welding them in, to me. do what you want. this is just how i look at it.

Holy hell how can anyone find this reasonable?

$2500 in exhaust? I have less than that in my exhaust, turbo, standalone, and shortblock. And yes my welds look tacky.

I would be currious to hear what it sounds like without the muffler. I mean 4 cats and the resonators would still keep it toned down some.

thats the price you pay for the best. in my opinion BORLA is one of the best systems out there. corsa also has a good system and their prices are pretty competative to borla. now these were prices directly from borla. i bought mie through summit and the prices were a few hundred cheaper than going through the manufacturer. hey do what you can do. borla is what i can do.

$2500 in exhaust? I have less than that in my exhaust, turbo, standalone, and shortblock. And yes my welds look tacky

Are you an engineer?

If yes: did you include the value of the time you spent designing your system?

If no: your system is not equivalent to what you can buy from Borla/Corsa/etc.

Are you an engineer?

If yes: did you include the value of the time you spent designing your system?

If no: your system is not equivalent to what you can buy from Borla/Corsa/etc.

Haha, I was going to bite back, but I think you are having fun with it too. :lol:

I did not see 7% gains with my setup :( Definatly not equivalent.

I am not an engineer by profession, but I do have two hands. I guess we should also include the shop labor for time to install the $2500 exhaust setup, lord knows anyone with that much money to waste will pay to have it installed too.

Haha, I was going to bite back, but I think you are having fun with it too. :lol:

I did not see 7% gains with my setup :( Definatly not equivalent.

I am not an engineer by profession, but I do have two hands. I guess we should also include the shop labor for time to install the $2500 exhaust setup, lord knows anyone with that much money to waste will pay to have it installed too.

Installation labor is questionable, but fabrication labor should definitely be included.

Installation labor is questionable, but fabrication labor should definitely be included.

Depends. Are you an installer?
Because if so you should count the time spent.
If not then you should probably pay someone else to do it, because quality will suffer if you do it yourself.

This war has gone on for a century. The people spending more money will always bash the guy in the garage doing his own work. Doesn't matter how something performs. Because we put a name like Borla on something, it will always be better.

Haha, I was going to bite back, but I think you are having fun with it too. :lol:

I did not see 7% gains with my setup :( Definatly not equivalent.

I am not an engineer by profession, but I do have two hands. I guess we should also include the shop labor for time to install the $2500 exhaust setup, lord knows anyone with that much money to waste will pay to have it installed too.

no, ill be installing mine myself. so just because i have the money to buy a nice exhaust that maybe you yourself or someone else cant buy,or because YOU think its too much money , meens im too good to do the work myself now?!:confused:

Depends. Are you an installer?
Because if so you should count the time spent.
If not then you should probably pay someone else to do it, because quality will suffer if you do it yourself.

This war has gone on for a century. The people spending more money will always bash the guy in the garage doing his own work. Doesn't matter how something performs. Because we put a name like Borla on something, it will always be better.

no one said that. but in this case its the "guy in the garage" bashing the other guy. people have different taste. ive always liked the sound of borla but never could afford it before. i always went with flowmaster. well now 4 years later, i have more money saved up for this car and i want to do things the way that i would have back in the day IF i had the money. im doing it professional and the right way. i dont want to cut any corners.

[QUOTE=2010_5thgen;5965303]so just because i have the money to buy a nice exhaust that maybe you yourself or someone else cant buy,

I could buy, I choose not to. HP/$ its a terrible investment. I wish you well and hope you are happy with it.

or because YOU think its too much money ,
I am entitled to it - Please continue justifying the cost - Your defense is much stronger than my attack.

meens im too good to do the work myself now?!:confused:[/
Just a smartass back to another smartass - not you - Implying that someone elses time is worth more than somebody else makes no sense. QUOTE]

no one said that. but in this case its the "guy in the garage" bashing the other guy. people have different taste. ive always liked the sound of borla but never could afford it before. i always went with flowmaster. well now 4 years later, i have more money saved up for this car and i want to do things the way that i would have back in the day IF i had the money. im doing it professional and the right way. i dont want to cut any corners.

So here we go again. You are implying that somehow the $1500 system is different than buying $250 worth of Borla mufflers and welding them in. Expensive != proffessional or only way to do something.

i never said expensive = professional. i think flowmaster cvat backs are professional. do i think cutting the stock pie and welding a muffler in is professional looking, no. i think its tacky and a cheap way out. most of these systems are cheaper when you buy the cat back and install it your self rather than buying a $50 muffler and paying someone to cut and weld it in and have it not look nearly as nice as it would from the manufacturer.

i know hp is a terrable investment. so are cars. but then again so is everythign right now. ive saved up for quite a long time to get the things i am wanting on this car.

hey when it comes down to it, borla, no matter how much it is, is one of the baddest systems out there. hands down.

I'm out. You win. Borla's welders have something the rest of us don't. I don't know what it is so I can't explain it.

I'm out. You win. Borla's welders have something the rest of us don't. I don't know what it is so I can't explain it.

:lol:

I'm out. You win. Borla's welders have something the rest of us don't. I don't know what it is so I can't explain it.

Yeah, a processor and hard drive...I'm betting 80% of all welded materials that leave Borla are computer/robot welded, and are beautifuly welded.

I'll save my cash and support local shops and businesses, and have a custom exhaust built, and buy some decent longtubes for them to build the system off.

just put my borla on and it sounds AMAZING! i cant wait to hear it with the long tube headers now.

just put my borla on and it sounds AMAZING! i cant wait to hear it with the long tube headers now.

Which Borla version did you get? Get some sound clips and post them!

i got the s type. i had this kit on order since april and it finally came in. i did order the long tube headers from them also, but once again.... they are back ordered. they must still be working out some kinks with it. i couldnt believe how easy the stock system came out. it was one whole piece. just slid right out. the borla kit is sooooo much lighter than the factory exhaust. those mufflers are heavy.

Can you get some good sound clips?

I gotta do something, and I'd prefer to do it on the cheep...The exhaust on this car is just waaaaaay too quiet.
Has anyone just zipped off the resonators under the back bumper and replaced them with fabricated pipes? This worked perfectly on the wife's Challenger.

:shrug:

i dont have a sound clip. but here is one from youtube i saw. im not even sure if this is the same s type i have. borla makes 2 different models. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2I0y2Rdd0E

Ok- I have a Red Jewel Tint, Fully Loaded SS with Six Speed of course. Just had the SLP Loudmouth 1 (the most aggressive of the 3 models) installed. Wholly Shi#! It is now a complete Xtreme Machine. 426 plus, likely another 10-12 HP due to the increased backflow, not to mention the 75lb each lump of muffler metal I had removed. It's an absolute beast - the volume is NOT for the timid. If you think you got noticed by looks, adding this whallop of an exhaust tube, aggressively tuned is ensures nobody can help but look as you rumble by. As the for the dude that does not like the "popping". Huh?? That's the point! If you want a burbley, spitting, snorting, low toned - don't even think of F'ing with me at the light RUMBLE - the Loudmouth is for you.

Does anyone have proof of HP or 0-60 times with this system? I'd guess a 1-tenth improvement on the already impressive 4.6 second zero to sixty time, putting this beast in the best Bang for you Buck car ever made. What a blast - I've had two vettes and this is by far more fun.

Enjoy all! Rumbulling it up in Syracuse, New York!!!! SS Murray

whatever you do ...do not add headers to that kit(loudmouth). i had the loudmouth kit on my trans am and it sounded nice. i though it was a little raspy at high speeds and high rpm's. then i added headers thinking it would make it get a little deeper sounding......nope. totally went in the wrong direction. it sounded like crap. high pitch raspy sound. i also had an off road y pipe on it. but there was just no restriction with that kit. i later switched to flowmaster for a perfect sound. so take it from me, do NOT put long tube headers on with that kit.

whatever you do ...do not add headers to that kit(loudmouth). i had the loudmouth kit on my trans am and it sounded nice. i though it was a little raspy at high speeds and high rpm's. then i added headers thinking it would make it get a little deeper sounding......nope. totally went in the wrong direction. it sounded like crap. high pitch raspy sound. i also had an off road y pipe on it. but there was just no restriction with that kit. i later switched to flowmaster for a perfect sound. so take it from me, do NOT put long tube headers on with that kit.

Hard to tell. The 4th Gen F-body system used a Y pipe that was the widely accepted culprit for the raspy tones. With the factory system set up as true duals, it may not be an issue. Hard to tell until someone tries it. I had the Loudmouth on my car before headers, after headers, and then switched to a true dual setup. The only time i had rasp issues was with no cats, Y-pipe, and no cats. The Y connection is the most likely culprit.

the y pipe i put on my trans am was an off road y pipe. that may have been the issue. but it was freaking loud. i cant wait to get my headers put on with the borla setup. its going to scream!