Just swap the LS7 badges for Z28's?

Thoughts?

I didn't think the Z/28 was supposed to be a "drag racer" ???

I have nothing to base this on, but I think the red LS7 car will be the Z/28. Just a feeling I have.

I'd rather have the hotcam version of the LS3 in my Z28.

The LS7 is WAY too expensive to use in a production Camaro. This has been explained several times.

This car is just to show that the LS7 can bolt in to the Camaro easily.

I'd rather have the hotcam version of the LS3 in my Z28.

+eleventy billion. Throw in some larger brakes, a more track-oriented suspension, wider tires, and some subtle body mods, and call it a day.

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Originally Posted by jg95z28
I'd rather have the hotcam version of the LS3 in my Z28.


+eleventy billion. Throw in some larger brakes, a more track-oriented suspension, wider tires, and some subtle body mods, and call it a day.

I could live with that!!
Clyde

The engine may not be the final choice, but I think, for the most part, that the LS7 car is a close representation of what a Z/28 may be.

The engine may not be the final choice, but I think, for the most part, that the LS7 car is a close representation of what a Z/28 may be.


Gotta disagree!

THIS IS WHAT A Z28 should be!

Camaro GS Racecar Concept
One of the most iconic cars of the legendary Trans Am road racing series was the distinctive blue-and-yellow Camaro of Mark Donohue. He was a dominant racer in the series and drove his #6 1969 model to the series championship that year.

With the assistance of GM's High Performance Vehicle Operations, North Carolina-based Riley Technologies re-created the look and feel of that standout racecar with a tribute that looks, sounds and drives like it's ready to do battle with its contemporary pony car competitors. In fact, the heritage-inspired racer is more than concept. It is an early prototype for the Grand Am Koni Challenge GS racing class. Racecars like the GS Concept are offered and manufactured by Riley Technologies for the 2009 Grand-Am season.

The GS Concept features the race-ready suspension, reinforced chassis and drivetrain conform to the specifications required of racecars certified for the series. In fact, this racecar has already logged many hours on the racetrack as Riley team members worked to dial-in the chassis and powertrain.

Additional features include:
* Seam-welded production Camaro body-in-white
* Carbon fiber hood, trunk lid, doors and fenders
* Production LS3 V-8 engine (used with solid engine mounts)
* Tremec 6060 six-speed manual transmission with close-ratio gearing
* Three-inch exhaust system with Coast Fab mufflers
* C&R racing aluminum radiator
* Upgraded engine oil cooler
* Transmission and differential coolers

The GS Racecar Concept is shown at SEMA just as it was last driven off the track, with the grime, brake dust and body imperfections commensurate with a day's worth of racing. Indeed, it isn't a car that spent hundreds of hours in a body shop in a quest of sheet metal perfection. It displays the bruises of competition and wears them as badges of honor.

Like Donohue's '69 Camaro racecar, the GS Racecar Concept wears a deep blue paint scheme that is accented with yellow graphics, a yellow-painted interior and yellow racing wheels.


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THIS IS WHAT A ZL1 SHOULD BE!!!! A Z28 is not a Drag Car. Not only that, but they named it appropriately. As some have complained that a ZL1 is a 1969 aluminum Big Block this is the LS7 named an LS7 NOT a Z28 Those complaints are probably why the emblems read LS7 not ZL1 unfourtunately...

Camaro LS7 Concept
Camaro LS7 Concept: Designed to highlight the capability of the new Camaro as a weekend bracket warrior, the Camaro LS7 Concept combines the power of a GM Performance Parts’ LS7 crate engine and targeted bolt-on upgrades to deliver the wheels-up spirit of the legendary COPO Camaros.

Made famous by Chevy dealers like Don Yenko and Fred Gibb in the late 1960s, the COPO cars were ordered for one thing: drag racing. They were quickly outfitted after delivery with the requisite tires, safety equipment and other accessories necessary for competition in popular Stock-class drag racing series.

The LS7 Concept honors the COPO ethos with features such as drag strip-ready rubber on the rear wheels – and unlike many of the stripped-down racers from 40 years ago, this strip-ready competitor serves double duty as both a racecar and a daily driver.

The LS7 crate engine (part number 17802397) uses a high-performance replacement camshaft from GM Performance Parts (part number 12480033) to help it produce approximately 550 horsepower. Complementing upgrades include GM Performance Parts-developed headers and air intake system that will be offered at the Camaro’s launch in early 2009. The LS7 also is modified with a wet-sump oiling system; the production engine features a dry-sump system that requires an external oil tank.

Backing the LS7 engine is a production Tremec 6060 six-speed manual with a GM Performance Parts Hurst shifter. Additional drivetrain details include:

Brembo four-wheel disc brake package
Lowered ride height
Custom 20-inch wheels
Driveshaft safety loop
GM Performance Parts exhaust system

The Camaro LS7 concept is painted Victory Red, with matte black accents on the hood and taillamp panel. “LS7” logos are strategically placed and warn those in the know this Camaro means business when the Christmas tree lights count down to green. It’s all business on the spartan interior, too, with base trim and few accessories to minimize overall mass for a quicker elapsed time.

Although the Camaro LS7 Concept is just that – a concept – its duplication by enterprising enthusiasts and racers is enabled by GM Performance Parts’ LS7 crate engine package. It delivers a fully assembled, production version of the engine, complete from the intake manifold to oil pan. An oil reservoir for the standard dry sump system and GM Performance Parts’ LS7 engine controller (part number 19166567) are all that’s necessary to get the engine running in an enthusiast’s project vehicle – well, that and a chassis capable of handling more than 500 lb.-ft. of torque!

http://www.camaro5.com/goods/semacamaro1c.jpg

i would buy that thing in a heart beat. i dont care what it was called i just want the engine in my camaro. it could be called a SS/RS/Z28 for all i care.

i would buy that thing in a heart beat. i dont care what it was called i just want the engine in my camaro. it could be called a SS/RS/Z28 for all i care.

yeah, and those Rims on that LS7 car are awesome also. Very nice car! I think this homage does the ZL1's Justice. One thing though on the Mark Donahue Z28 car is I wish it also either had a LS7 or a trick maybe LS3 hot cam or something. Otherwise both beautiful cars! I got butterflies when I saw the Mark Donahue car. I didnt think GM would actually do a true Z28. Blade spoiler in that awesome blue to boot

The GS concept, the car that will race in the Koni Challenge, should be the basis for the Z28.
Cammed LS3, lighter chassis, bigger brakes, better suspension, Z28.

The GS concept, the car that will race in the Koni Challenge, should be the basis for the Z28.
Cammed LS3, lighter chassis, bigger brakes, better suspension, Z28.
yeah i agree. if they do end up making a z28 just do a little internal work(cam/maybe heads) and lighten up the body. do a fiberglass hood and trunk. stiffer suspension,lowered, and no power inside ( except maybe windows). i think i would even make the radio optional. just make it bare bones and about 3-400lbs lighter than the lightest camaro(maybe 3500lbs)

The GS concept, the car that will race in the Koni Challenge, should be the basis for the Z28.
Cammed LS3, lighter chassis, bigger brakes, better suspension, Z28.
At least a more "streetable" version of the GS concept, but I agready wholeheartedly.

As GMPP already has a crate engine of the hot cam version of the LS3 (LS376/480), to get there would take very little investment on GMs part. But perhaps they are waiting for the aftermarket to do this for them, so they don't have to pay for the development costs on bigger sway bars, brakes, shocks, etc.

How expensive can it be to develop Z/28 badges for the 5th gen? :p

does gmpp have an aggressive cam for the camaro, or will they offer one, that we can have put in at the dealership and still be covered under the factory warranty? if so what kind of power numbers would we be looking at? and does anyone know the price in comparance to another aftermarket company?

At least a more "streetable" version of the GS concept, but I agready wholeheartedly.

As GMPP already has a crate engine of the hot cam version of the LS3 (LS376/480), to get there would take very little investment on GMs part. But perhaps they are waiting for the aftermarket to do this for them, so they don't have to pay for the development costs on bigger sway bars, brakes, shocks, etc.

How expensive can it be to develop Z/28 badges for the 5th gen? :p

The cost of recert'ing a new 6.2 liter engine for a larger cam, an engine that would be unique to a low profit, niche car, durring a time where GM has no money, and is focusing on CAFE numbers down the road seems a bit of a daunting task. This cammed 6.2 would also mean it would have to pass emissions, and maintain civil gas milage ratings.
As far as development costs, if GM saw the forest from the trees, they would have made the Sigma and Zeta platforms use the same hub assembly, or at least the bolt pattern, so that performance parts could be swapable, such as the CTS-V's brake system. Therefor development costs would be cut instead of spending a ton of money on two different brake packages. I wonder if Holden has any factory brake packages for the Commodore that would be larger then the Camaro SS's? I dont think it does though..arg. Even more reason that Zeta and Sigma should share brake compontents.

What I think we will get for a Z28? Being realistic, taking in acount that Camaro is a niche car, made in a plant all by itself, made by a company that is treading water with money in which most of the funds are being poured into Volt development, I think we will get a SS +1.
Lets look at what we get with the SS. Its a hell of a package. It packs the same equipment a 40k SRT8 Challenger does for 10k LESS!! And you give up NOTHING!!
But we can use the SRT8's price as a limit for our Z28 model, a model that would dig salt into the wound that Camaro is the best performance bang for the buck on every level.
Starting with weight, GM could cut 200lbs off the car easy IMO. It would be a sacrafice on a SS model, but a Z28 model with its racing heritage, people would most likely be aceptable of removal of sound proofing. I would also look towards the GS race car as the test bed of the Z28. 10k price gap gives you plenty of room to ligten some things up. I would think that MAYBE there would be a 10-15 lbs drop going from Camaro's aluminum hood to carbon fiber, so I think that it would be easier if more pannels were made of aluminum then CF.
I wouldnt cut down ammenities too much, but I would give the driver performance-oriented equipment.
As for performance, I think that a slightly larger cam, better exhaust, and a retune could squeek out another 40-50hp. Now you have a 460-470hp engine. The power upgrade doesnt max out the chassis, but doesnt mean that GM engineers would need to increase mass to strengthen the chassis for it. Revised suspension would be a must. Perhaps bring in Bilstein and develop a revised suspension. MRC system would be way to expensive for a car like this, even with the 10k price gap. It would eat up a huge part of that gap. It sure would give the Camaro an advanatage, but at such a high cost, a proper set up suspension should do just fine.
We will have to wait on braking ability, but something tells me that the SS's 4 pistion, 14+ inch rotor system is not going to feel like a third gens disk/drum set up. I would revise braking system, and perhaps have a two-piece rotor set up to cut down on reciprecating mass as well as overall weight. Another 5lbs a rotor perhaps?
Short throw hurst shifter standard, with 6spd auto availble with NO AFM, which means a big hit in MPG probably for the auto. That could mean 6spd manual only...that could hurt sales.
Basic targets for Z28
HP: 450hp
Weight: 3750lbs aka weight of a V6 car
Performance target: M3



does gmpp have an aggressive cam for the camaro, or will they offer one, that we can have put in at the dealership and still be covered under the factory warranty? if so what kind of power numbers would we be looking at? and does anyone know the price in comparance to another aftermarket company?

GMPP has had a LS3 hot cam kit for a while for Gen IV's. Now, as far as having a dealer install it and warranty it, that will depend on dealer. Im not sure of 50 state legallity of it as it could be off road only, but it does exist.

i dont need 50 state legal. i just need 1!
and you dont need to do any other changes to the motor to get it running right? tunning im sure.
what kind of power numbers will it achieve?

i dont need 50 state legal. i just need 1!
and you dont need to do any other changes to the motor to get it running right? tunning im sure.
what kind of power numbers will it achieve?

Obviously you want to do it aftermarket.
For GM to do it, it requires a bit more then throwing a few hot cams in a few LS3's.

As far as power numbers, I have seen 30hp gains from cam and tune.

so it would still be under warranty if i buy the cam and had it installed somewhere else?