COMPLETE 2010 Camaro Pricing - with OPTIONS!

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wow! not too bad really
im at around 36,000 with everything i want.

Wow. So a convertible 2SS with stripes and the RS package might come in around 40-41K. That's a BIT more then I would have thought.

Excellent - this seems priced right and should bring buyers!:cool:

So it costs me $9,000 more to get a V8? This is the one spot where this car truly is failing at.

1) A base Mustang GT V8 will MSRP at, what, under $28,000? I know the V6 makes the same HP in the Camaro, but the Stang is faster for less money, and has the rumble of a V8.
2) Why does the Camaro V8 have to sticker at an even higher MSRP than the G8 and Challenger V8s? Both are larger vehicles.


A lot of people aren't gonna want to pay $600+ per month just to get a V8. Gas prices be damned (and look at where they're falling to now!!!), in my opinion many still want a V8. I like where the base car starts, and even the mid-level prices...but I crowed on here for about 4 years that what we needed was a base car with a V8 engine option.

Now how many of those would've sold???????????? Going into this market, right now? Its a great car, but a lot of people don't want to part with their $$$. Its just too bad it costs so much to get a V8....

hmmm $37000 for what I want.. Not to bad!

Mine came in right at 36K just the way I wanted it. Anyone have any educated guesses on the performance accessories and such to get an idea of the final tag?

Hurst Shifter
Cat Back
Headers
Fuel Door
Splash Guards
Car Cover

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Combined with the trim levels you can now pretty much build your new Camaro :)



Camaro Trim levels - Standard & Optional Equipment

LS
Standard Equipment
- 3.6L SIDI V6 engine
- Dual exhaust
- 18-inch steel wheels
- Onstar Safe & Sound
- XM radio
- Stabilitrak
- 6 air bags: front, side and curtain
- 6-speaker base audio system

Optional Equipment
- Floor mats

1LT
Standard Equipment
(includes or replaces LS equipment)
- 18-inch aluminum Wheels
- Fog lights
- Driver Information Center
- Power Driver Seat
- Floor mats

Optional Equipment
- 19-inch aluminum wheels
- Power Sunroof
- Boston Acoustics 245watt 9-speaker premium audio
- Convenience & Connections Package
- RS Package

2LT
Standard Equipment
(includes or replaces 1LT equipment)
- 19 inch aluminum wheels
- Leather heated seats
- Ambient lighting
- Boston acoustics 245watt 9-speaker premium audio
- Auxiliary gauges (center console)
- Auto dimming interior and exterior mirrors
- Bluetooth and USB connections
- Remote start (Automatic transmission only)
- Leather steering wheel with controls
- Rear parking assist (late availability)
- Head-up display (late availability)

Optional Equipment
- 20-inch polished aluminum wheels
- Inferno Orange Accent interior
- Power sunroof
- Dual vinyl Rally Stripes in White or Cyber Gray
- RS Package

1SS
Standard Equipment
- 6.2L V8 engine
- 20 inch Aluminum wheels
- Brembo brakes including 4-piston calipers on all 4 wheels
- Engine oil cooler
- Transmission oil cooler
- Limited slip differential
- SS Gauge cluster
- SS spoiler
- SS grille badge
- Leather steering wheel and shift knob
- Power driver’s seat

Optional Equipment
- 20-inch polished aluminum wheels
- Power sunroof
- Boston acoustics 245watt 9-speaker premium audio
- Convenience & Connections Package
- RS Package

2SS
Standard Equipment
(includes or replaces 1SS equipment)
- Leather heated seats
- Ambient lighting
- Boston acoustics 245watt 9-speaker premium audio
- Auxiliary gauges (center console)
- Auto dimming interior and exterior mirrors
- Bluetooth and USB connections
- Remote start (Automatic transmission only)
- Leather steering wheel with controls
- Rear parking assist (late availability)
- Head-up display (late availability)

Optional Equipment
- 20-inch polished aluminum wheels
- Inferno Orange Accent interior
- Power sunroof
- Dual vinyl Rally Stripes in White or Cyber Gray
- RS Package

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Convenience & Connections Package
Optional on 1LT & 1SS, standard on 2LT and 2SS
- Bluetooth and USB Connections
- Leather steering wheel with controls
- Remote start (Automatic transmission only)

RS Package
Optional on 1LT, 2LT, 1SS and 2SS
- High-Intensity Discharge (HID) Headlamps with LED halo ring
- Spoiler on LT Model
- 20 inch 5 spoke wheel in Midnight silver paint finish (optional polished finish)
- RS unique darkened tail lamp lenses
- Body Colored roof Ditch molding
- Special RS Badging (when combined with SS, SS badging is red)

Regional Options
- Engine Block heater
- Front License Plate bracket

I'm buying used. Right around $2000 more than I wanted to spend for what I want. I'll buy used. :bang:

Boy, I wish I had the means.

Pretty much what I expected, maybe a little bit more. I am a little disappointed about the price of the 2SS and RS packages. Oh well, still doing it.. you only live once.

I'm buying used. Right around $2000 more than I wanted to spend for what I want. I'll buy used. :bang:

Yeah. About $1500 more then I was hoping for across the board. I'll still be getting one but I'll have to adjust what I wanted.

I agree....I am glad these prices are out though....I was really wanting to figure a price/package.....a little high for the V8...I would rather sit back, and see how this market does...let's hope it's a good move for GM.

Love the car, but 40k for a ss convertible is a total turn off for me. And no aqua blue on the SS. I can buy a corvett at that price. Im not sure what GM is thinking but the SS is going to be a hard sell after the first 6 mo.

So 36K to 38K for a loaded SS. Not bad at all. 4K under what MSRP was on the Enclave I just bought. Nice.

It's a little more expensive than I thought. However, I'll still be getting a 1SS.

Nail in the coffin for me. Base V-6 is 2K higher and SS is 3K higher than I had anticipated. I'll buy used in a couple years.

With the current financial mess, I wonder how many of these cars GM will be able to sell (harder to get credit, etc.)? I hope a lot, that way I'll have an easier time finding the used one I want, time will tell.

I wonder *if* the prices would be lower *if* the other Zeta's hadn't been axed.

So 36K to 38K for a loaded SS. Not bad at all. 4K under what MSRP was on the Enclave I just bought. Nice.

Actually, 2SS with RS package is $35,380....doesn't get much more loaded than that....unless you add the Orange accent interior for $500.

looks like I will be going the used route as well unless I get an amazing raise next year...which is unlikely with the way business has slowed this year.

spare tire is an option?

I think people are missing the "Some options standard in 1LT/2LT and 1SS/2SS packages" and are adding options they want that come standard to the price.

Personally I think the pricing is very competative.

:thumb:

The real question is when will the hype die down enough to buy under sticker and use my GM card dollars?
If I could buy for $500 to $1000 under MSRP and use my $2000 GM card dollars this car would be a great performance steal!

Wow. So a convertible 2SS with stripes and the RS package might come in around 40-41K. That's a BIT more then I would have thought.
It might even be a touch more. In 2002, MSRP for a Z28 convertible was $7100 more than a coupe.

It will be very difficult to justify that kind of money on a Camaro convertible when Corvette starts at 46k, but I'm sure that some people will be interested.

Personally, I want a 2SS/RS coupe, and you sure can't get a new Corvette for anything like 35k. :)

So it costs me $9,000 more to get a V8?
:confused:

30,992 - 22,995 = $7,997.

And, while I recognize that this isn't your point, you get a heck of a lot more than a V8 for that extra money.

spare tire is an option?

I suspect that the car will come with run-flat tires.

Personally, I want a 2SS/RS coupe, and you sure can't get a new Corvette for anything like 35k. :)


+1

Ever since the fifth gen rumors started flying around I was thinking hard about either a v8 5th gen or a used corvette. With these prices and its expected performance, a 2SS/RS coupe sounds like an amazing combo. In the back of my mind I was worried about(and expecting) dodge like pricing and around 40K for a nicely optioned SS.

Used C6 for me...or else I'll wait for the Mustang which is lighter and supposedly just as powerful

Actually, 2SS with RS package is $35,380....doesn't get much more loaded than that....unless you add the Orange accent interior for $500.

Take on the stereo, chrome wheels, sunroof (do not want) and accented interior and it'll get up there.

20xx Rally Yellow Camaro RS (auto)

2LT With: ($27,330)

Optional Equipment
- 20-inch polished aluminum wheels ($470)
- RS Package ($1450)


TOTAL: $29250
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Lets say $3000 down payment, 5 years @ 5.5% interest thats about $500 month. Not too bad. I think this would make a super fun daily driver.

Im a bit worried about the prices myself. The V8 coming in at 30k, is a bit higher than i'd of liked. I too may have to wait to used, as i want a convertible, and I couldnt swing that 40k for a v8 convertible, not to mention the other goodies i'd want. Looks like used or nothing for me for a while, unless of course i hit the lotto.

Take on the stereo, chrome wheels, sunroof (do not want) and accented interior and it'll get up there.

The stereo is included in the 2SS.

did I see a late availability HUD?

Best place to find updated pics of the interior?

I think this is pretty good. I remember my MSRP on my 35th LE being $33695 and that was 7 years ago. Factor in inflation, cost of production, safety features (TPMS, additional airbags, etc.), and it looks really competitive. Oh, are we also forgetting the new car has 77 more HP than the top of the line SS back in '02? Also, $1500-$2000 is roughly 6% additional cost to the car for what I am seeing from budgets from some of you which is really only another $35-$40 per month for payments. Cut the Starbucks and wake up with a V8 rumble!

Personally I think those prices are excellent, considering the caliber of car that you will get for the money. Also the LT with the V-6 is a really awesome price.
I cannot believe some of you guys crying over a couple thousand dollars in the price that you think it should be. Why dont you save up for a year then get Camaro with the options that you want?

Ill be getting (hopefully)a 2SS, but Im going to have to wait untill about a year from now to make sure my finances are in order.

2SS/W1H/WRS. I'm definitely holding out for the HUD though. If I'm going to pay $37k for a car, I want to get everything I want.

I think this is pretty good. I remember my MSRP on my 35th LE being $33695 and that was 7 years ago. Factor in inflation, cost of production, safety features (TPMS, additional airbags, etc.), and it looks really competitive. Oh, are we also forgetting the new car has 77 more HP than the top of the line SS back in '02? Also, $1500-$2000 is roughly 6% additional cost to the car for what I am seeing from budgets from some of you which is really only another $35-$40 per month for payments. Cut the Starbucks and wake up with a V8 rumble!

Personally I think those prices are excellent, considering the caliber of car that you will get for the money. Also the LT with the V-6 is a really awesome price.
I cannot believe some of you guys crying over a couple thousand dollars in the price that you think it should be. Why dont you save up for a year then get Camaro with the options that you want?

Ill be getting (hopefully)a 2SS, but Im going to have to wait untill about a year from now to make sure my finances are in order.

I agree with both of you. Some people are still stuck in 1995 when it comes to pricing.

Lets say $3000 down payment, 5 years @ 5.5% interest thats about $500 month. Not too bad. I think this would make a super fun daily driver.

500 bucks a month for a car. seems liek a lot to me.

A SUNROOF in an Fbody? That's just wrong LOL

Pricing looks good though.

Anyone want to guess what dealer markup is going to be over MSRP?

spare tire is an option?

I suspect that the car will come with run-flat tires.


No, it will come with regular tires. It will come with a tire inflator kit with tire sealant. Same as the G8 GT's have. A spare isn't even an option on the GT's. It's for weight savings and balance. Most people don't even know how to change a tire so they call roadside service. Unfortunately, when you need a spare tire, it's usually because of a catastrophic failure, not a small leak you could seal with tire sealant.

Load it up completely and you're looking at about the same price as a new vette from Corvette Conti. I gotta think about this one.....

Definately going to have to wait until employee pricing is available. They're killing us with the price of the V8.

Just makes you wonder, "What's coming in the following year?" It's a trend w/ f-bodies...in 93 everyone wanted the new 4th gen, then look what you got w/ 94-95, then 96-97, then the 98-02, ect. So, what will be here next????

How about the economy??? Getting credit even w/ an excellent FICO (750+) is tough....

It will be tough not to join in the buying frenzy, but may have no other choice....for at least a year...

I agree with both of you. Some people are still stuck in 1995 when it comes to pricing.

Maybe so, but $7000 more than our pretty well equipped '06 SS to get the one I want is kind of a shock. I got my vette for 44k, they can be had at some dealers in base trim (which is similar to a loaded Camaro) for 39k.

A very nicely equipped 2009 mustang GT premium has a 29k sticker price. I don't think GM learned their lesson from last time, if you purchase a nicely equipped 2SS you are then in the market for a corvette. Isn't this the EXACT issue that killed the camaro first time around ? "Why would i spend this much on a camaro when i can shed a few more thousands and get a vette" :no: Don't get me wrong, i love the camaro (except for the gauges) but once again it's too pricey.

The Camaro is SO MUCH MORE than a stupid Mustang. LOOK at the standard content and options! It comes with an independent rear even! It's gonna ride and handle AWESOME!

Hmmmm.........The SS option is a bit more than I was hoping for. I will definitely have to wait for the second year of production to buy one now. I was really hoping to be able to retire my current Camaro in October or so of next year, but it looks like I'll have to live with it as a daily driver a bit longer. This also makes a strong case for a used C6.

Used C6 for me...or else I'll wait for the Mustang which is supposedly lighter and supposedly just as powerful
Fixed. It's all speculation at this point. I hope it's true for Ford's sake, but still.

20xx Rally Yellow Camaro RS (auto)

2LT With: ($27,330)

Optional Equipment
- 20-inch polished aluminum wheels ($470)
- RS Package ($1450)


TOTAL: $29250
The 20" wheels are part of the RS package -- you don't need both.

Load it up completely and you're looking at about the same price as a new vette from Corvette Conti.

WTF is Corvette Conti? I googled and found a dealer in Wisconsin... is that what you're referring to?

Please, show me how you're going to pile on the options to get $49,415. If you're talking about a convertible, you'll have to pile them up to $54,070.

Jake, the 02 Camaro convertible was more like $4000 more than the coupe. You could not get a srtipper 02 Camaro Z28 vert, so the $7000 included the $1700 power package and leather seats. The 02 Trans Am coupe, which came loaded was $28,025 base and the vert based at $32,095.

Jake, the 02 Camaro convertible was more like $4000 more than the coupe. You could not get a srtipper 02 Camaro Z28 vert, so the $7000 included the $1700 power package and leather seats. The 02 Trans Am coupe, which came loaded was $28,025 base and the vert based at $32,095.

Ah, good to know.

Still, people here are comparing the LS to the 1SS and seeing an $8000 difference "just for a V8". Even if it's not apples-to-apples, that's what people are going to see. I suspect you won't be able to get an LS convertible, and that would have a similar effect.

WTF is Corvette Conti? I googled and found a dealer in Wisconsin... is that what you're referring to?

What he's trying to say is, for the price of a decently loaded 2SS he is now in the market for a Corvette, and he is 100% correct. Say all you want about the mustang but once AGAIN the mustang gt is priced well below the camaro.

What he's trying to say is, for the price of a decently loaded 2SS he is now in the market for a Corvette, and he is 100% correct.

Camaro 2SS + Auto + RS + all of the non-redundant options: $39,010

Corvette 1LT, no options: $49,415

That's $10,405 (26%) more for the 'Vette.

I'd say he's only 26% correct. :p

Say all you want about the mustang but once AGAIN the mustang gt is priced well below the camaro.
I'm not saying anything about Mustang.

500 bucks a month for a car. seems liek a lot to me.

When I buy mine I will have a larger down payment. I'd rather pay around $400 a month.

On my '02 I'm paying about $450 a month, but that is to pay it off in about two years.

2ss $34180
auto $995
rs $1200
sunroof $900
interior $500
20"s $470
stripes $395
red jewel $295

total $38935

i think thats every option you can get on the 2ss.

i really wish the convenience and connectivity package was available on the 1SS. i dont really want leather or heated seats or a 9 speaker sound system.

manual 1ss/rs is $32192. cant believe the color interior isnt an option for the 1SS either.

The 20" wheels are part of the RS package -- you don't need both.



The RS package comes with the 20" painted wheels, I want a polished finish, which (the way I understand it) is an additional option.

Little disapointed in the V8 pricing, but the HUD made my day. :)

How many times does this have to be said???? 20's ARE PART OF THE RS PACKAGE!!!!

2ss $34180
auto $995
rs $1200
sunroof $900
interior $500
20"s $470
stripes $395
red jewel $295

total $38935

i think thats every option you can get on the 2ss.

You missed the block heater ($75) and the spare tire ($150).

:)

Not what i expected. I expected price to be 1,000-1,500 over the mustang. I thought a fully loaded 2LT with the RS package/sunroof would be 27-28k, turns out thats the price for just the 2LT! I drive a camaro now, but am in doubt that i will purchase another-might have to go takne my name off the list at my dealer. Im going to wait, in novemeber they will unveil the "updated" Mustang-new look, new engine, and might be even faster than the camaro. I just did not expect a V6 camaro to be priced at a V8 mustang's level. If the "new" mustang does improve in terms of engine, and stays at the same price point thats where my money is heading. :(

http://www.fordvehicles.com/the2010mustang/

You missed the block heater ($75) and the spare tire ($150).

:)

You can't get the spare tire on the SS.

How many times does this have to be said???? 20's ARE PART OF THE RS PACKAGE!!!!

Painted 20"s are included in the RS package, the polished finish is additional.

You can't get the spare tire on the SS.

Ah, I didn't check that. I wonder why?

Looks like the Camaro is headed towards another fail boat, i hope GM is paying attention because these prices are a huge turnoff.

Base prices have been released, but what everyone wants to know is what the options pricing is.

CamaroZ28.Com is happy to bring you the complete 2010 Camaro pricing, including option packages!

http://www.camaroz28.com/img/2010camaropricing.jpg

This information was given to us last night during Podcast #162 and we just received the phone call to go ahead and release it. Please do not copy this information without citing the source.

Cool, thanks for the info. Just got back from my dealer, order is placed! 2SS/RS, auto. Is the "Interior Trim Package" just the different colored trim pieces on the dash and doors?

Not what i expected. I expected price to be 1,000-1,500 over the mustang. I thought a fully loaded 2LT with the RS package/sunroof would be 27-28k, turns out thats the price for just the 2LT!

I'm with you there. I was kind of figuring (at least hoping) on a 2LT with RS at 28k.

It's certainly nowhere near the 25k many around here were hoping for on a 2LT (which I did think was way optimistic).

Looks to me like the LS must be a real loss leader to be as cheap as it is compared to the other trims.

The HIDs must be expensive. That's essentially all that's in the RS package on the SS and it's still $1,200. I was figuring more like $800 on the SS.

It's still a lot of car for the money, but I think more than many were hoping for.

Oops! I forgot the 02 Trans Am came standard with T-tops which were a $995 item, so the convertible is about $5000 more than a hardtop.
I would expect the new Camaro convertible to be about $5000 more than a similarly equipped coupe.
New Vettes can be had for $8000 off sticker. 3000 08 Vettes were still on dealer lots less than a month ago. 2009 Corvette production has been halted at the Bowling Green KY plant. Discount on a new Vette plus premium over MSRP on a new loaded Camaro wil be very close dollar wise.

Looks like the Camaro is headed towards another fail boat, i hope GM is paying attention because these prices are a huge turnoff.

Thats right, no way im getting a loaded V6 Camaro (what i wanted), when i can buy a fairly optioned 2010 mustang GT for-i am asuming- the same price 30-31K-and shame a V8 camaro-thats if the rumors are true and the engine has more hp than the maro and the car is lighter.

ONE MORE THING: Many of you may say this is a lot of car for the price you are being asked to pay, but thats for NOW, once the competion updates both Mustang and challenger (i head they where going to offer some supercharge option out of factory for all models) it will be a whole other story.

I can see why there's no Z28 at launch!

Not what i expected. I expected price to be 1,000-1,500 over the mustang. I thought a fully loaded 2LT with the RS package/sunroof would be 27-28k, turns out thats the price for just the 2LT! I drive a camaro now, but am in doubt that i will purchase another-might have to go takne my name off the list at my dealer.

This is the Camaro you're talking about:

2010 Camaro 2LT: $27,330
RS on a 2LT: $1450
Sunroof: $900
Total: $29,680

I went to FordVehicles.com and built a Mustang GT, adding in features to make it comparable to the 2LT+RS wherever possible:

2009 Mustang GT: $26,775
18" Aluminum Wheels: $925
Trip Tunes Advanced Audio Connection: $295
Total: $27,995

This car doesn't have heated power seats, HID lights, or the nice stereo, but it comes in under 28k like you wanted. To configure a Mustang with all of the features of the 2LT+RS, you need to start with the GT Premium:

2009 Mustang GT Premium: $28,375
Comfort Package: $575
18" Aluminum Wheels: $925
HID Lights: $900 (would be $525, but requires the $375 security package)
Trip Tunes Advanced Audio Connection: $295
Total: $32,215

You still can't get a sunroof or 20" wheels on a Mustang (maybe as a dealer option, but not from the factory). You can pony up $1995 for a glass roof if you want, but it doesn't open up.

I don't know how the prices will differ on the 2010 Mustang relative to the 2009, but I think the extra $1680 for Camaro is going to make you happiest.

Cool, thanks for the info. Just got back from my dealer, order is placed! 2SS/RS, auto. Is the "Interior Trim Package" just the different colored trim pieces on the dash and doors?

NO, it includes the orange leather on the seat faces, orange stitching on the seats and shift knob and the orange dash panels that light up orange.

don't forget tax and other fees. may be up near 40k for my dream 5th gen. black, 2SS/RS, sunroof, and gray stripes

I wish GM would put up an interactive pricing website that would allow me to check off the things I want and then give me a final price including taxes.

I don't like having to determine whether or not a feature is included in one of the packages or trim levels. I'm sure a lot of people will be calculating prices higher than reality because they will be adding the cost of features that are already included. It would be a shame for GM to lose sales due to consumer math "issues".

it's not a matter of being stuck in 1995 for pricing for me, its a matter of income versus cost.


I personally do not make that much, in my job, and nor does my wife. We are a dual income family, and I work for a Major University in my state, and she works as a neonatal nurse tech /secretary at a major hospital here in our state. Together, our income annually, is around 50k gross. We own our own home, and have normal bills, with NO outstanding car notes, and NO credit card bills. Annually after taxes and everything else our income nets us around 28800 a year. On that income level, we honestly cannot justify buying a 32000.00 car, much less the 40k convertible we'd want. I say this because while we could get approved for the car, credit wise, a 500.00 a month car payment is not something that is do-able. I largely blame the fact that the amount of income myself, and many other Americans make, hasn't really increased since oh, 1982ish, versus what things cost us.

I have took the time to explain all this because i feel that a larger majority of Americans that will want this car will be in the same boat. Yes, many may "downgrade" to a v6, but I've done that in the past, and just ended up making that car a v8, so i know better now to not buy a car without the options i want to begin with.

If I cant get my v8 Camaro convertible at a payment level below 300.00 a month, it just wont happen. I hate to say it but that's life... I refuse to put myself in a financial bind for a car, or anything else for that matter.. and in the current market / economic atmosphere, many Americans need to ensure they don't do just that as well. After all having them do that is some of what got us into this economic mess to begin with.

Now, I realize that we are lucky to have the car back, and I realize we are lucky to have such a great car at the prices listed, but yet, what i've listed above, is prime example as to why many will complain about the price of the v8 car.

Sorry for the soapbox, but i felt like writing, and trying to explain why some folks like me, will be forced to wait to get one used, or not at all until they are more affordable for us.

At first blush with this, its VERY disappointing. I dont have time to go into details why.

The 2010 Mustang GT to be released in Jan 2009 will have the new look, but the carryover drivetrain. The 2011 Mustang GT should have the 5.0 liter, 32 valve, 400hp, 6 speed trans drivetrain. And by then, the Camaro will probably get a couple of price raises. I know Ford must be happy about the new Camaro prices.

Sorry for the soapbox, but i felt like writing, and trying to explain why some folks like me, will be forced to wait to get one used, or not at all until they are more affordable for us.

I think we are in a very similar situation. yes I could maybe afford a v6, but I would feel like I was wasting my money because I would not be happy with it not being a v8 and all.
it would be like finally getting to meet your childhood hero, and finding out they were not at all as great as you thought they would be...walking away a little dissapointed.

IMO ...its not worth the $30k+ price tag..I just had a close friend pick up a new gt stang,with about every opition except leather seats,shaker audio and the bs color changing gauges for $25500 out the door. :(

Well said Purple 92 SS. While it's true that there are A LOT of people that can and will pay those prices, the Camaro was and always should be an ENTRY LEVEL musclecar. Talk to anyone that wanted a 98-02 Z28 or SS, and they will tell you that they didn't get it simply because of the price. I understand that the pricing on this is the same if not cheaper than it was then, but it is definitely removed from the entry level status at that price.

Guess we have to wait for Canadian prices. But the Cobalt is fairly close US to CDN so hopefully the Camaro is too.

V6 car looks be a good price---its a far better car then the Mustang and Challenger.

it's not a matter of being stuck in 1995 for pricing for me, its a matter of income versus cost.


I personally do not make that much, in my job, and nor does my wife. We are a dual income family, and I work for a Major University in my state, and she works as a neonatal nurse tech /secretary at a major hospital here in our state. Together, our income annually, is around 50k gross. We own our own home, and have normal bills, with NO outstanding car notes, and NO credit card bills. Annually after taxes and everything else our income nets us around 28800 a year. On that income level, we honestly cannot justify buying a 32000.00 car, much less the 40k convertible we'd want. I say this because while we could get approved for the car, credit wise, a 500.00 a month car payment is not something that is do-able. I largely blame the fact that the amount of income myself, and many other Americans make, hasn't really increased since oh, 1982ish, versus what things cost us.

I have took the time to explain all this because i feel that a larger majority of Americans that will want this car will be in the same boat. Yes, many may "downgrade" to a v6, but I've done that in the past, and just ended up making that car a v8, so i know better now to not buy a car without the options i want to begin with.

If I cant get my v8 Camaro convertible at a payment level below 300.00 a month, it just wont happen. I hate to say it but that's life... I refuse to put myself in a financial bind for a car, or anything else for that matter.. and in the current market / economic atmosphere, many Americans need to ensure they don't do just that as well. After all having them do that is some of what got us into this economic mess to begin with.

Now, I realize that we are lucky to have the car back, and I realize we are lucky to have such a great car at the prices listed, but yet, what i've listed above, is prime example as to why many will complain about the price of the v8 car.

Sorry for the soapbox, but i felt like writing, and trying to explain why some folks like me, will be forced to wait to get one used, or not at all until they are more affordable for us.

It is commendable that you won't put yourself in a financial bind in order to get a car, but getting a Camaro convertible for less than 300/month without ponying up a hefty down payment wasn't even possible on 4th gens. 300/month doesn't buy much (300/month means financing about 15K-18K total). Unless you are looking at a stripped Cobalt, or some form of Korean car, you aren't going to be buying anything at all.

Here's a link to a handy auto loan calculator:

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/auto-loan-calculator.asp

Damn..........I didn't think they would be that much. :(

Looks like I'll have to wait for a used one.

Pricing is good compared to market and your all comparing to a mustange that is 5 years old. Just because you can't afford it does not mean it is priced wrong for the equipment you get it is priced good. The corvette if you wanted the same equipment you would need a 3LT comparable to a 2ss is an MSRP of 55k and a 3lt corvette convt. stickers for 65k

You can find a v6 mustang for what 16-18k new? Yes its slower..but people are going to be looking at V6 vs V6 and the camaro being 4-5k higher is going to hurt them...(always has). I think GM needs to sell vechiles and price plays a large role in this country...I understand they have taken own a lot of costs....but....V8's starting at 31k with 3.00 gas might not be the best one....

I hope it all the best however...I"ll be looking for a used 5th gen in about 2016...

People on here are acting like this is new info. The rumors around here pretty much had the prices nailed for quite some time now ($23k for a V6 and $30k for a V8.) Did anyone really think that they were going to get a fully optioned V8 car for $30k? Or even $33k? That's what a fully optioned V8 F-body went for 8 years ago (in model years.) That was for a car that pales in comparison to what is offered today.

Also why is there a comparison to "yesterday's" Mustang to the Camaro. We were told that there was going to be a premium over the Mustang and there's a good reason for that. This car is leaps and bounds better than the Mustang is in terms of performance and quality. Of course the Mustang is cheaper. It's almost 5 years old (once again in model years,) makes only as much hp as the entry level Camaro, and has an extremely dated chassis. When they offer the reskin next year you are still going to have all of the drawbacks of the the current car. Despite what anyone may believe there will be a price increase for the reskin. Finally, when they offer the all new car for 2011 you really can't expect to have the car that they are "promising" for a SUBSTANTIAL discount over the Camaro can you? If so then I have some ocean front property in AZ to sell you.

In all, the Camaro is priced right for the quality of the car that it is. Will, the Mustang be cheaper? Maybe, but as in all things in life, you get what you pay for.

This is the Camaro you're talking about:

2010 Camaro 2LT: $27,330
RS on a 2LT: $1450
Sunroof: $900
Total: $29,680

I went to FordVehicles.com and built a Mustang GT, adding in features to make it comparable to the 2LT+RS wherever possible:

2009 Mustang GT: $26,775
18" Aluminum Wheels: $925
Trip Tunes Advanced Audio Connection: $295
Total: $27,995

This car doesn't have heated power seats, HID lights, or the nice stereo, but it comes in under 28k like you wanted. To configure a Mustang with all of the features of the 2LT+RS, you need to start with the GT Premium:

2009 Mustang GT Premium: $28,375
Comfort Package: $575
18" Aluminum Wheels: $925
HID Lights: $900 (would be $525, but requires the $375 security package)
Trip Tunes Advanced Audio Connection: $295
Total: $32,215

You still can't get a sunroof or 20" wheels on a Mustang (maybe as a dealer option, but not from the factory). You can pony up $1995 for a glass roof if you want, but it doesn't open up.

I don't know how the prices will differ on the 2010 Mustang relative to the 2009, but I think the extra $1680 for Camaro is going to make you happiest.


Thanks for doing this, it does make a bit more sense, but perhaps what annoyed me and made me to loose my mind and start bashing on the Camaro is the fact that a V6 Camaro is being placed in the same price range as a V8 mustang-yes they have the same hp, but the mustang can still beat the V6 Camaro and is due to get an "upgrade" next year. There is nothing I would like more than to get a 2010 Camaro-I fell in love with it in 06, and drive an 02-but being a college student and due to the financial crisis going on I might have to wait to get one or buy another car…something I don’t want to do.:no:

**** IT! I cant say no to the Camaro, Once I am out of work and school today I am off to the dealership to order-they say I am 6th on the list so hopefully I can get mine in march :) I just need some luck to make sure i get a $350-400 monthly payment on the 2LT with sunroof and RS package- I can do that! Camaro, its too much to resist.

I think we are in a very similar situation. yes I could maybe afford a v6, but I would feel like I was wasting my money because I would not be happy with it not being a v8 and all.
it would be like finally getting to meet your childhood hero, and finding out they were not at all as great as you thought they would be...walking away a little dissapointed.

Thanks. I kinda feel this way as well with your analogy on the childhood hero.


Well said Purple 92 SS. While it's true that there are A LOT of people that can and will pay those prices, the Camaro was and always should be an ENTRY LEVEL musclecar. Talk to anyone that wanted a 98-02 Z28 or SS, and they will tell you that they didn't get it simply because of the price. I understand that the pricing on this is the same if not cheaper than it was then, but it is definitely removed from the entry level status at that price.

Thanks Hairbear21. Very true. in 01, my SOM z i think listed at 32500.00 and thats a bit pricey for what it was.. that being said, i purchased the car 3 years old, for a more managable price,of 20k, and with only 15k on the odometer.

It is commendable that you won't put yourself in a financial bind in order to get a car, but getting a Camaro convertible for less than 300/month without ponying up a hefty down payment wasn't even possible on 4th gens. 300/month doesn't buy much (300/month means financing about 15K-18K total). Unless you are looking at a stripped Cobalt, or some form of Korean car, you aren't going to be buying anything at all.


Thanks Ed. Yes, I realize there would be a heavy down payment and or trade in's, but it would be more doable if it were a cheaper price. Hence the reason why i stated i was going to probably have to wait for used ones, if at all. My post wasnt just to show my personal situation, it was to hopefully voice the opinion of many others out there, that wouldnt/didnt want to air their situation, and also to explain that a entry level v8 would have probably been a welcome car among those of us that "used to be considered middle class" but no longer consider ourselves as such. I know and HOPE and PRAY this car does well, but for those of us in the lower spectrum of the income brackets, will not be able to buy one new, does nothing for GM to sell tons of them and make them profitable for many years to come.

Perhaps I'm wrong though, perhaps a entry level v8 wouldnt be what the majority wants, and wouldnt sell all that well to those of us in the lower income range. Perhaps, the new v6 will be "all that and a bag of chips" enough to replace the v8 lust that we have.. but for now, without having driven either, i'm still set on a v8... and whats even worse is, i want to keep my Z/28 chain alive, and buy a z/28, so if these are the prices of the SS im seriously dreading the future prices of a possible z/28.. I guess it really dashes my hopes is what i'm saying.

The 2010 Mustang GT to be released in Jan 2009 will have the new look, but the carryover drivetrain. The 2011 Mustang GT should have the 5.0 liter, 32 valve, 400hp, 6 speed trans drivetrain. And by then, the Camaro will probably get a couple of price raises. I know Ford must be happy about the new Camaro prices.

when has mustang ever made a more powerfull car then the camaro??? chevy never let it happen before i doubt they will let it happen now.

I agree with most of that...and I do think the quality will be better.


My arguemnt is that why the orginal camaro failed due to mustang outsellingit all the time by tons of units due to the mustang v6 being cheap. I dont' want to see the new camaro to fail..but with the economy etc...I doubt the general public(not us camaro friends here) will want/can pay close to 25k out the door after dealers....

I really hope it does...but if the gas MPG things are correct too it getting less mpg then the lt1 4th gen 6 speeds is not going to help them either lol....

Also this reminds of GTO where the sticker is higher thanthe mustang...and closer to a vette....hope it dont' fail...

You guys are lucky you even have to struggle over V8-VS-V6. I couldn't even afford a 1995 that has been slammed into a telephone pole caught fire and drowned in a river. I just keep telling myself someday this degree I am seeking will be worth it.

IMO ...its not worth the $30k+ price tag..I just had a close friend pick up a new gt stang,with about every opition except leather seats,shaker audio and the bs color changing gauges for $25500 out the door. :(


and when he gets smoked buy a new camaro the driver of that camaro will think... "glad i saved my money and bought a camaro"

gotta remember the people who comparison shop that don't care too much about the chassis, IRS, etc. if I was someone who liked the design of both and looking for a cheap v6 to drive around daily. yeah I would probably go for the cheaper mustang.

I don't buy new anymore -- it's just not worth it on any car, so I'll just hang on until some poor soul wrecks theirs and buy it from the auction yard (and will hope happens soon so I can have some of that new car smell, lol).

and when he gets smoked buy a new camaro the driver of that camaro will think... "glad i saved my money and bought a camaro"

Wasn't the camaro faster than the mustang 2002? And we all seen what happened to the camaro production then. Just because it's faster it does not mean it's going to sell more.

Did the math... and while the payments are not TOO dissimimilar, they are enough to warrant me to seriously look into a new corvette.

I am approved for 60k for 72 months at 6.24%... MY personal max is 500ish/month payment...This does not include down payment which is what will push me one way or another. The more i have to put down for a $500/mo payment the more its worth it for me to go into a vette.

Mustang GT base:
$27,750 MSRP (includes destination)
$2233.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$414.00 Registration/license
Total $30,217.00
Payment $ 504.21

Mustang GT Premium
$29,570 MSRP (includes destination)
$2295.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$444.00 Registration/license
Total $32,409.00
Payment $ 540.00

1SS
$30,992 MSRP (includes destination)
$2510.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$465.00 Registration/license
Total $33,967.00
Payment $ 566.78

2SS (What I was after AT close to the GT premium price)
$34180.00 MSRP (includes destination)
$2769.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$513.00 Registration/license
Total $37,462.00
Payment $ 625.10

I am VERY disappointed, YES we were told premium to the mustang... but hundreds.. NOT THOUSANDS premium. I guess my Signature needs an update because its WRONG.

For now I am too upset with this news to write anymore about this.

Also why is there a comparison to "yesterday's" Mustang to the Camaro.
Because "yesterday's" Mustang is the one that you could walk into a Ford dealership and order today, same as the Camaro. You'd get your Mustang a few months sooner, but those are the facts. We don't have anything else to compare it with yet!

There is nothing I would like more than to get a 2010 Camaro-I fell in love with it in 06, and drive an 02-but being a college student and due to the financial crisis going on I might have to wait to get one or buy another car…something I don’t want to do.:no:
You're in college, have an '02 SS, and can't wait a little longer to buy a brand new car?

I'm 28, have an '02 Z28, and have no plans to purchase a new 2010 Camaro. There's simply no way I could afford one.

I just need some luck to make sure i get a $350-400 monthly payment on the 2LT with sunroof and RS package
Luck? You're going to need more than luck.

Even at 0% interest, you're looking at at least $494/month (with no down payment). At 10% (almost three grand) down, you could get it to $445. To get it under 400/month, you're talking about no less than $5,680 down. And, again, that's with 0% interest. I doubt that GM will be offering a rate that low. At a more typical 5.9% interest, you're talking about $433/month ($5,680 down) up to $515/month (no money down).

when has mustang ever made a more powerfull car then the camaro??? chevy never let it happen before i doubt they will let it happen now.
Well, it's debatable whether this counts, but 2003 and 2004 come to mind. :)

This car is leaps and bounds better than the Mustang is in terms of performance and quality. Of course the Mustang is cheaper. It's almost 5 years old (once again in model years,) makes only as much hp as the entry level Camaro, and has an extremely dated chassis.

Extremely dated?
Didn't know 2005 was that old :lol:
And when exactly did Zeta see the light of day? ... wasn't it around 2006 in a holden?

Just sayin..made me laugh

I'm going to have to wait to see it in person. And I'm going to have to really study the options. Just adding the numbers together for a 1LT/RS with a sunroof puts the car over $27k. :eek:

Looking back at the window sticker I kept from my 2000 Z28, it was a fully optioned car and topped out around $29,000. I realize we're 9 years down the road, but in the V6 world I'm feeling like GM outclassed itself and left a gap where the little V6 Camaro fit in that $17k range for a base model.

This is going to be a really tough call. I don't need a new car. I should really be spending my money elsewhere or saving it. But, I've always wanted a *new* Camaro, and I missed the boat on the last of the 4th gens because I just didn't have that sort of buying power my first year of college :lol:

It is commendable that you won't put yourself in a financial bind in order to get a car, but getting a Camaro convertible for less than 300/month without ponying up a hefty down payment wasn't even possible on 4th gens. 300/month doesn't buy much (300/month means financing about 15K-18K total). Unless you are looking at a stripped Cobalt, or some form of Korean car, you aren't going to be buying anything at all.

Seriously, my wife's pretty much base 4 bangin Altima is costing us $373 with $2k down and 1.99% financing. I put $6k down on my colorado crew cab with 6.8% and it costs $325. Unless you're going with a micro econobox or a korean crap car, the days of a sub $300 payment with little down are long gone...

I think the pricing is pretty good for what you get. The base models are where they'll make their money and in terms of value I think they'll sell quite a few.

As far as approaching the cost of a vette, there's a lot of other things that go into deciding between a vette and anything else, a prime one for a lot of people is the vette being a 2 seater. I'd kinda like to have a vette, but considering by the time I get ready to buy, my wife and I are probably looking at having being close to Nova Jr running around, a 2 seater just won't work. I'd imagine they'll sell quite a few SSs to family men/women that could afford a vette, want something sporty and fast but have a kid or two running around that just won't fit in a vette...

Did the math... and while the payments are not TOO dissimimilar, they are enough to warrant me to seriously look into a new corvette.

I am approved for 60k for 72 months at 6.24%... MY personal max is 500ish/month payment...This does not include down payment which is what will push me one way or another. The more i have to put down for a $500/mo payment the more its worth it for me to go into a vette.

Mustang GT base:
$27,750 MSRP (includes destination)
$2233.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$414.00 Registration/license
Total $30,217.00
Payment $ 504.21

Mustang GT Premium
$29,570 MSRP (includes destination)
$2295.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$444.00 Registration/license
Total $32,409.00
Payment $ 540.00

1SS
$30,992 MSRP (includes destination)
$2510.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$465.00 Registration/license
Total $33,967.00
Payment $ 566.78

2SS (What I was after AT close to the GT premium price)
$34180.00 MSRP (includes destination)
$2769.00 Tax (8.10% Arizona)
$513.00 Registration/license
Total $37,462.00
Payment $ 625.10

I am VERY disappointed, YES we were told premium to the mustang... but hundreds.. NOT THOUSANDS premium. I guess my Signature needs an update because its WRONG.

For now I am too upset with this news to write anymore about this.

Im kind of upset to. Im praying that my dad gets a big break at work (which he will help me with my car) and pay cash or just wait and save up for a bigger down payment. Who knows even if I may get a new Camaro. That there for me is a scary thought.

You guys are lucky you even have to struggle over V8-VS-V6. I couldn't even afford a 1995 that has been slammed into a telephone pole caught fire and drowned in a river. I just keep telling myself someday this degree I am seeking will be worth it.

the degree is completely worth it, hang in there. I know how you feel. I finished school about two years ago and have since bought an '02 Z28 (my dream car since high school :lol:) and plan on buying a 5th gen in a few years as well.

Put in the hard work now and it will pay off. :thumb: Dont try to make a major purchase while in school. Unless mommy and daddy are fronting the bill no one should be buying a brand new sports car while in school.

and when he gets smoked buy a new camaro the driver of that camaro will think... "glad i saved my money and bought a camaro"
Also if you put the extra money that he saved in the mustang and then see who gets smoked.. :yes:

The pricing seems to be about $1k higher across the model lines than I thought. It's also obvious they are charging a real premium for the V8 and especially the 2SS.
The problem I see with the ordering list and price is that the V6 2LT has a lot of standard content that's not even available on the 1SS.
So for me to get the Orange inferno interior I'll need to cough up an extra $3100 just for the option to spend another $500 on the interior because leather is only available the 2SS. So I'll be spending $36K + for a V8 Camaro coupe 6M with leather but w/o a sunroof.
I can't imagine where convert prices will start.

Setting aside the various expectations of a 30k loaded SS that many here had, I think the pricing is pretty much what I expected. One of my concerns have been that because the Camaro will offer no less than MSRP for quite a while and many of its competitors will be discounting off of MSRP and offering closer to invoice. An example is that Boardwalk Chevy in California has a 2008 Corvette brand new with Z51 and NPP for $38,740. When I price out my desired Camaro SS/RS it is $37,535. I love the Camaro but in this case the Corvette is very appealing. I suspect I am not the only one who will do this kind of comparison.

And when exactly did Zeta see the light of day? ... wasn't it around 2006 in a holden?
The Zeta platform underpinning Camaro is based on, but is not the same as, the Holden Zeta platform. The updated version hasn't hit the road in anything but Camaro. You'll have a hard time convincing anyone that such a thing could be considered dated.

I am VERY disappointed, YES we were told premium to the mustang... but hundreds.. NOT THOUSANDS premium.

Try equipping those Mustangs with all of the stuff that comes stock on the Camaro. Their base prices are lower because they don't come with all of the same stuff!

Even when you load up the Mustang, it still doesn't come with 422hp, a six-speed transmission, 20" wheels... the list goes on.

I know we're all in different financial boats here, but I would like to express an opinion of a potential owner of the fifth gen as a second car. With the information released today, I will find it difficult to justify a loaded Camaro over a 1-2 year old Z51 C6. I don't think it's a stretch to consider that a chunk of buyers of loaded 2SS cars will not likely be using them as daily drivers, but instead as weekend/fairweather cars, foregoing daily driver necessities like backseats. Taking price into consideration, I can't justify a loaded 2SS over the beforementioned C6, even an LS2 version, and even while comparing options. This is just one man's opinion.

***Edit - Pruettfan beat me to it.

An example is that Boardwalk Chevy in California has a 2008 Corvette brand new with Z51 and NPP for $38,740. When I price out my desired Camaro SS/RS it is $37,535. I love the Camaro but in this case the Corvette is very appealing. I suspect I am not the only one who will do this kind of comparison.

Nope your not the only one. People on this board still fail to realize that the new Camaro will not sell below MSRP just like you said. If i can get into a brand new corvette in the same price range, i will and so will many other people and guess what? I'll be 2000-2002 all over again.

Anyone know how much the new camaros weigh?

around 3800lbs

it really isnt base entry level any of that crap muscle. its supposed to be a bit higher with all of its extra amenities and omgz!! we have to pay an actually fair amount for a 400hp+ corvette motor! quit looking at it that way, think about what else comes with the 1SS. convertibles won't be out for 1 year+, pricing is not available yet, and it offers no actual useful utility, so there.

i'll be getting a white hardtop LS (no sunroof) with only minimal of options i think are neccessary. auto or manual, we'll see how they drive.

Setting aside the various expectations of a 30k loaded SS that many here had, I think the pricing is pretty much what I expected. One of my concerns have been that because the Camaro will offer no less than MSRP for quite a while and many of its competitors will be discounting off of MSRP and offering closer to invoice. An example is that Boardwalk Chevy in California has a 2008 Corvette brand new with Z51 and NPP for $38,740. When I price out my desired Camaro SS/RS it is $37,535. I love the Camaro but in this case the Corvette is very appealing. I suspect I am not the only one who will do this kind of comparison.
This is where GM has gone a little wrong. The Camaro was always the value car, for that matter Chevrolet was always the value brand (before anyone says "But the Corvette...", note that there's no bowtie to be found on a Corvette). In '02, I could have bought a Z28 coupe with T-tops and electrics for under $22k, and I bought my SS vert for about $30k thanks to supplier pricing and the incentives that were around to clear out the inventory - this was November '02, after production stopped, and many dealerships were putting big premiums on the remaining F-bodies in the hope they would be considered collectible - they weren't convincing many buyers. Likewise you couldn't get a GTO in the first year without a 'market adjustment', and sales were very slow.
As for Corvettes, they were supposed to be the premium sportscar, and for many years they sold close to sticker, but during the 4th gen's time, the C5 outsold the Camaro, and despite production cuts at one point, GM started discounts and special pricing to keep them moving. The differential was narrowing, and I did find myself looking at Corvettes during my shopping trip. The price premium does get a lot of extra technology, like composite bodywork you won't get on a Camaro (the composite panels on the 4th gen were there to keep down tooling costs, but came at the expense of part price, plus they weren't the same lightweight material the Corvette uses).
Now is not the time to be launching a high end Chevrolet, I'd think this should be significantly cheaper, save the trick features for a special version, or maybe the parallel Pontiac range. Do we think they'll do that this time? I'd have still gotten a Formula Firebird over a WS6 last time.

Sure you will be able to get the Camaro SS at Invoice when it hits dealers lots.
It takes no smarts to know Chevy dealers are closing all over the country as of now.
Banks are not loaning GM dealers moneys and dealers have cars and trucks they cannot get rid off...
People are not even walking into dealers........
When Feb or March rolls around it will be harder to get a low interest rate
or maybe many people will not be able to get credit...

When the chevy dealers first get the 2010 Camaro SS in,,,they will give you the car at INVOICE....
Reason is GM will flood that market place with these cars and dealers know that the cars will be sitting on their lots if they want MSRP or over..
But then again they might just sit there anyway....
But then again GM might not be in business at that time?????

I will have to wait for somebody to buy a SS and sell it back to Chevy and hopefully they get the options I want and buy it used:think: Maybe the price might drop acouple of hundred dollars:shock:

it really isnt base entry level any of that crap muscle. its supposed to be a bit higher with all of its extra amenities and omgz!! we have to pay an actually fair amount for a 400hp+ corvette motor! quit looking at it that way, think about what else comes with the 1SS. convertibles won't be out for 1 year+, pricing is not available yet, and it offers no actual useful utility, so there.

i'll be getting a white hardtop LS (no sunroof) with only minimal of options i think are neccessary. auto or manual, we'll see how they drive.

Do you mean LS or LT? There are no options available on the LS other than auto trans, floormats and a spare tire.

So am'I blind or what? I don't see a ttop option? I see a power sunroof.

Excuse my stupidity. :o

So am'I blind or what? I don't see a ttop option? I see a power sunroof.

Excuse my stupidity. :o
No T-tops for the new Camaro. Someone had a photoshop version and it actually looked really good.

I could be wrong, but it looks to me like GM killed it before it even hit the street. All I have wanted for as long as I can remember is a brand new Camaro with a v8 and no options(get into it for a good price and haul some ass), but it looks like they have gone the same route as the 4th gen(which if you don't remember killed the platform)and only offer fully loaded over priced cars. I have had 2 v8 4th gen cars and yeah they ran good but the quality is horrible. From looking at new GM products it looks like the quality hasn't gone up any, but the price sure has.

You guys can say what you want about the new Mustangs being dated, but I see them on the street and at the track, and for the money the camaro doesn't stand a chance in sales.

Lets face it Camaro's have never held their value, and to get a v8 model you are looking at spending $35k+ on a car that is going to lose a lot of value before you even pay it off.

And that's if GM can stay open until the release date lol.

Because "yesterday's" Mustang is the one that you could walk into a Ford dealership and order today, same as the Camaro. You'd get your Mustang a few months sooner, but those are the facts. We don't have anything else to compare it with yet!

It's still an apple to oranges comparison.

Extremely dated?
Didn't know 2005 was that old :lol:
And when exactly did Zeta see the light of day? ... wasn't it around 2006 in a holden?

Just sayin..made me laugh

The Zeta platform underpinning Camaro is based on, but is not the same as, the Holden Zeta platform. The updated version hasn't hit the road in anything but Camaro. You'll have a hard time convincing anyone that such a thing could be considered dated.



Try equipping those Mustangs with all of the stuff that comes stock on the Camaro. Their base prices are lower because they don't come with all of the same stuff!

Even when you load up the Mustang, it still doesn't come with 422hp, a six-speed transmission, 20" wheels... the list goes on.

Jake answered most of it. However, I also wouldn't go on to say that when compared to the other cars in its segment that the Mustang's chassis is "cutting edge." Actually to think that the current Mustang's suspension is modern at all is laughable.

Also if you put the extra money that he saved in the mustang and then see who gets smoked.. :yes:

:rolleyes:Sure, but if my buddy put a turbo on his new Camaro then who would be laughing then...:rolleyes:

No T-tops for the new Camaro. Someone had a photoshop version and it actually looked really good.


See, that right there kills it for me. The ttops made that car I think. I've had several f bodies and they all had ttops. For me personally that is a must for an fbody.

What a sad sad day it is...

It's still an apple to oranges comparison.





Jake answered most of it. However, I also wouldn't go on to say that when compared to the other cars in its segment that the Mustang's chassis is "cutting edge." Actually to think that the current Mustang's suspension is modern at all is laughable.



:rolleyes:Sure, but if my buddy put a turbo on his new Camaro then who would be laughing then...:rolleyes:
Ooook...lol..now you have a $50000 camaro :lol:

I think we are missing the point here.

The DOHC V6 Camaro will have over 300HP--very competitive with the V8 Mustang. While Ford plans to up the power on the Mustang, we haven't seen how the will price the more powerful 'Stang.

You can get a "Mustang Clone" 300-plus HP Camaro for a price competitive with the same HP 'Stang.

The V8, Brembo, 6 Sp Super Camaro will be a baby Corvette for the high 30K range-still much cheaper than a Corvette. It will likely run with the Corvette but for its extra weight. It will demolish the heavy, underpowered current Mustang. My guess is the higher-HP Mustang promised will be priced about the same.

We are in strange times. When the economy returns to normal, the Camaro will be much cheaper than a Corvette and you will get nearly Corvette performance from it but for the extra heft.

And gas prices are going back down now....:yes:

Sure, but if my buddy put a turbo on his new Camaro then who would be laughing then...
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Geee I don't know what you are talking about
GM might not be around in March and No New camaros.
I think you have no idea,,,yep no idea,,,,lame

I know we're all in different financial boats here, but I would like to express an opinion of a potential owner of the fifth gen as a second car. With the information released today, I will find it difficult to justify a loaded Camaro over a 1-2 year old Z51 C6.
It's a very rare case that a new car makes more financial sense than a lightly-used (1-3 years old) car.

Anyone know how much the new camaros weigh?
3750 for the V6, 3900 for the V8. Actual weights will vary depending on options, of course.

I could be wrong, but it looks to me like GM killed it before it even hit the street. All I have wanted for as long as I can remember is a brand new Camaro with a v8 and no options(get into it for a good price and haul some ass), but it looks like they have gone the same route as the 4th gen(which if you don't remember killed the platform)and only offer fully loaded over priced cars. I have had 2 v8 4th gen cars and yeah they ran good but the quality is horrible. From looking at new GM products it looks like the quality hasn't gone up any, but the price sure has.

You guys can say what you want about the new Mustangs being dated, but I see them on the street and at the track, and for the money the camaro doesn't stand a chance in sales.

Lets face it Camaro's have never held their value, and to get a v8 model you are looking at spending $35k+ on a car that is going to lose a lot of value before you even pay it off.

And that's if GM can stay open until the release date lol.
You're welcome to your opinions, but your predictions for the future overall are way off base. GM isn't closing their doors any time soon. They just announced in the news that they aren't even considering filing for bankruptcy anymore. Their stock is up 30+% just today, and tons of people have already ordered their new Camaros, even though that's only been possible for a few hours.

I'm sad to hear that Camaro isn't what you wanted it to be, but you're in the minority.

It's still an apple to oranges comparison.
Camaro vs. Mustang has always been an apples-to-oranges comparison. What's your point?

The DOHC V6 Camaro is priced with the 300HP V8 Mustang GT.

When the new 400HP Mustang comes out (if it does), it will cost more and I am sure the V8 Camaro will be price-competitive, and it will have a superior suspension, more power and Brembo brakes.

And gas prices are coming down.

The Camaro is priced right. As soon as this economy comes back to normal, you will not see new Corvettes anywhere near the price of the V8 Camaro. It will be about 50K to about 38K. And Camaros will deliver near-Vette perf, but for their extra weight. A Mustang just won't.

And I do not think GM is going anywhere. I bought some stock in them today at about 6.00 per share. :yes:

I will probably just stick with Corvette for my next car purchase.

When the new 400HP Mustang comes out (if it does), it will cost more and I am sure the V8 Camaro will be price-competitive, and it will have a superior suspension, more power and Brembo brakes.

This is a good point. Mustang's prices are very likely to increase along with its performance. :)

Price is pretty much where I expected it. Now I just have to wait until they bring out HUD :)

Hmm.....GM just stopped production on the ZR-1 for financial reasons. So where is that gonna leave the Camaro convertible?

A leftover 2008 Vette coupe for $8000 under sticker is looking pretty good now. 430hp, 3200 pounds, better aerodynamics, faster, better gas mileage, and a standard removeable targa roof panel. You could also have one in your driveway tonight.

Hmm.....GM just stopped production on the ZR-1 for financial reasons. So where is that gonna leave the Camaro convertible?

Absolutely a false rumor that has been debunked.

Hmm.....GM just stopped production on the ZR-1 for financial reasons. So where is that gonna leave the Camaro convertible?

Not true.

http://jalopnik.com/5060371/rumor-busted-corvette-zr1-production-not-canceled

You're welcome to your opinions, but your predictions for the future overall are way off base. GM isn't closing their doors any time soon. They just announced in the news that they aren't even considering filing for bankruptcy anymore. Their stock is up 30+% just today, and tons of people have already ordered their new Camaros, even though that's only been possible for a few hours.


I gotta say I like your optimism on GM, but I'm afraid its misplaced. Just looking at the numbers, its gonna take a lot more than the Camaro to turn GM around and its gotta happen sometime in the next 7-8 months.

Stock price has little or nothing to do with whether they go under or not. Its nothing but a confidence measure. Sometimes its a good indicator of the health of a company, sometimes its not because even the wisdom of a crowd can be wrong.

I know they say they're not considering bankruptcy, but they HAVE to say that. If they come out and say "hey the company is going down the tubes" the stock price will collapse to near $0. Even given that, GM may not have a choice, creditors can FORCE them into Chapter 11 bankruptcy under the right conditions.

The latest numbers I saw had GM with $20 billion in cash on hand, burning about $1 billion a month and last I heard they need approx $11 billion in cash per month just to continue operations. They're not currently making any money, they're debt rating has been junk status since 2005, and they've already got $43 billion in debt, which is going to make it damn near impossible for them to borrow any more money to cover operating expenses the credit markets being what they are. Companies like caterpillar, which have debt ratings just under the federal gov't are having trouble borrowing money, what do you think that does to companies with junk ratings.

That being said, don't think GM would go away just because of the bankruptcy. The creditors would own GM and the stockholders wiped out but GM would probably come out in a much better position because Ch 11 renegotiates and/or cancels debt and a lot of contracts, including the huge albatross around GMs neck that is the UAW contract.

Bottom line is, GM has to break even and has to do it now. The numbers don't lie, if they don't, there's a high probability they'll be in Chapter 11 bankruptcy court right after the first Camaros come off the line. But don't worry about the Camaro even if they do. GM will in all likelihood keep operating and keep cars rolling off the line...

And since I never answered in my first post I'll take a manual 2SS/RS in red jewel. :D

Not true.

http://jalopnik.com/5060371/rumor-busted-corvette-zr1-production-not-canceled

Yep, I was at the vette factory a little over a week ago and ZR1s were still rolling off the line. I counted almost a dozen just in my tour, including one that was just coming off the line as we got to the end of the tour.

Ooook...lol..now you have a $50000 camaro :lol:

I fail to see your point here. Unless you are referring to my "turbo Camaro" then you missed my point in regards to a previous quote.


Camaro vs. Mustang has always been an apples-to-oranges comparison. What's your point?

My point is that when comparing the current Mustang to the current Camaro it's not a true (or even fair) assesment of the two cars. GM has had 4 years to see what the Mustang has to offer and used that information (along with many other sources) to build a car that is better than the Mustang. In 2011 when the new Mustang comes out Ford will have had a couple of years to see what the Camaro has to offer and "should" come out with something equal to if not better. They have always played Leapfrog with each other. So it should be no suprise that 1) The Camaro is a far superior car to the current Mustang and 2) both cars will continue to be priced appropriately for the content they carry. Right now you can pay a premium for a car that outclasses its competitor or you can play the waiting game and see IF the new Mustang will be better than or equal to the Camaro for less money. My gut feeling is that when the next gen Mustang comes out it will cost less but it will dramatically close the price gap between the two while offering less content.

lets see, new camaro or slightly used vette...........hmmmmmm thats a tough one.

Must be a tough decision for everyone i cant turn a corner anymore without seeing a c5 or c6 vette.

You know what, I was in the same spot as some of the people here. To be honest when people saw me at school today, they saw I was down (more like disheartened) and my friends would ask me why I was like that. I told them it was because of a car's price and they started laughing at me. LOL. I mean, all I wanted was an 1LT auto with RS and Connections and Connectivity package for around 25-26K. Now looking at the prices, I knew I could buy anything like that. Then while I was sitting, I asked myself, why not just buy a basic car and modify it yourself. As I looked to the pricing, I felt confident about what I wanted in my purchase. Dont get me wrong, I am still angry at the prices, but for me is that if I dont get this car, it will really hurt my image among my friends as a "Camaro Guy" and also, I am in love with this car. So I decided the following:

1) Buy an LT1 with auto, Connections and Connectivity Package, and interior trim package(If someone could let me know what it consists of) . Who knows, If I am allowed by my parents, I may not even take the Auto and stick with a manual. Keep in mind I wont get the RS package (Trust me, saying this is painful)

2) 2nd, I will pay close attention to SEMA and look at the cool looking third party customized camaros and make purchases that will add personal styling to the car. That way I save money and make it look nice and clean. My hopes have risen hire by writing this. Hey, if theres a will, theres a way.

I have a hard time spending 31K for a base 1SS then adding on another 5K for a convertible option. Plus another $665 for an automatic. When all is said and done it with taxes and license it will be damn near 40k if not over. My wife and I have a combined income north of 140K a year. No bills except for a mortgage and normal house bills. To pay that much for a car that will only be driven May through early October here in Minnesota is just nuts. I just did the financing with 25k down and financing 15K over 5 years my payment is $371. I am not going to go with the V6 as I have always wanted a new V8 Camaro. I had a 68Z and a 69SS. I want this car to evoke those fun times and not break the bank. It appears as though Chevrolet has screwed the pooch again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

just don't load them up with fancy options and they are alot more affordable!;)

I see a lot of people complaining about the price. It’s been almost 4 years since the Camaro debut at the Detroit auto show. Once GM said they will put it into production I immediately starting saving for it. Just putting away like $25 dollars a week it is not much but it eventually adds up.

The prices came out today and it seem like some people are stunned. If it is $2000 dollars over the amount you expected then just save the difference that you was willing to pay, if you really wanted the Camaro. Then I hear people saying well I just get the mustang because it going to be lighter and faster if that is the case then good for you, I’ll see you in my rear view mirror. I know I’m bias because I can never see me buying a Ford no matter how good it looked. Anyway it is contenders and pretenders, about people who stated they would buy the 5th gen Camaro. If a couple of thousand out your price will make you change your mind than you wasn't serious about purchasing it in the first place.

Let's see a few thousand more in these tough times. Yep I am going to spend it. Let's be real for a moment. My 401k dropped last week as much as a 2SS Camaro. It is down the price of a Z06 this year. Should we all not complain about a few lousy thousand dollars? I don't know about you, but I think I can vouch for quite a few people that would like that few thousand in their pocket at this moment. Don't mean to rant but I really thought I could get a V8 Convertible for around 32K.

A very nicely equipped 2009 mustang GT premium has a 29k sticker price. I don't think GM learned their lesson from last time, if you purchase a nicely equipped 2SS you are then in the market for a corvette. Isn't this the EXACT issue that killed the camaro first time around ? .

I never thought Id go here , Im quite shocked I am really :D ...but , if what is read about the Camaro's quality and driving habits at a base level ( press drove base v6 IVER cars ) ...the Camaro is looking to best the stang in every possible way . And Im not talking just speed , the car as whole car u have to live with every day . I read 2 comments from the press that compared the Camaro to more G37 league than Mustang or Challenger league . If that is the case , I wont have a problem at all paying more for a Camaro if it truely is more of upmarket car . Im older now , my 4th gen is a drag car and it would kick ass to have new Camaro that does EVERYTHING right and doesnt feel cheap ....that cant be said about a GT . 1SS with a RS package , manual trans and call it a day :)

I see a lot of people complaining about the price. It’s been almost 4 years since the Camaro debut at the Detroit auto show. .
It debuted in January of 2006.

For me, the V6 is about $1000 over what I expected, the V8s about $2000-$3000. Not a dealbreaker, but more "premium" than I had expected.

I have a hard time spending 31K for a base 1SS then adding on another 5K for a convertible option. Plus another $665 for an automatic.......

Actually, I think the automatic is $995, the Connections and Connectivity package is around that $665 or around that. I know, I hear ya, wish the prices were a bit lower. I dont know, but how much were V6 Camaros during the mid to late 90's ?

Don't mean to rant but I really thought I could get a V8 Convertible for around 32K.

Don't take it the wrong way, but I dont think you could have gotten that even in 2002, not sticker anyway.

For those prices for a SS, I may as well go ahead and get the vette. By the time it gets to the dealer, you know it is going to be even higher when they mark it up.
I see GM has not learned its lesson yet. I see why so many has changed over to the pony car.

SO VETTE HEAR I COME.

Buy an LT1

:lol: Yep, that'd be one way to save money. :lol:

;) :p

Don't know how much they were in 02. Bought my 95 and it was a year and a half old and paid $12,500 for it. Granted it isn't the 90's anymore. I was just hoping that I could get one this time around. I could get a used Vette but with an 11 and 9 year old plus the boss lady that just isn't possible right now.

I dont know, but how much were V6 Camaros during the mid to late 90's ?

A 2002 V6 based at $18,415.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics inflation calculator, that's $22,426 in today's dollars - so pretty darn close to the 2010 LS.

Don't take it the wrong way, but I dont think you could have gotten that even in 2002, not sticker anyway.

2002 Z28 convertible base price was $29,925. That's $36,443 in today's dollars.

I don’t think a lot of people of realistic expectations for the price of this car and/or understand the content that is included in the trim levels.
I think it has been priced very competitively and nothing comes to a shock to me. Back in 2006 I put together a pricing list that many of you have seen. I know its not apples to oranges but it looks like I was with in $1500 of the current price today.
I wonder how many of you complaining over the price are in the actual target demographic.

Those are MSRP prices, so shave 10-15% off that, and you should be able to make a deal. Especially with the way things are now.

I wont be buying one, simply because this whole retro interior thing has gone too far. Pay 35K for a car that has a 60s look on the inside, no thanks.

It debuted in January of 2006.

For me, the V6 is about $1000 over what I expected, the V8s about $2000-$3000. Not a dealbreaker, but more "premium" than I had expected.

That was my first reaction as well. But I still feel they are reasonably priced.

I wont be buying one, simply because this whole retro interior thing has gone too far. Pay 35K for a car that has a 60s look on the inside, no thanks.

Funny thing.......since 2006, its actually grown on me.

I'm looking forward to a test drive in a few months.

I also really want another car with a HUD. I loved that option on my GTP.

my 4th gen is a drag car and it would kick ass to have new Camaro that does EVERYTHING right and doesnt feel cheap ....that cant be said about a GT . 1SS with a RS package , manual trans and call it a day

My thoughts exactly. I want a stripper :D . I really like the fact that GM is giving this as an option. I don't need any fancy gizmos, I know I won't use them when I'm driving. And I don't really care about leather.

Idk about you guys, but ever since I saw the concept back in 06' I have been hooked. I joined this forum and have been checking for leaks,info,pics, whatever possible tidbit everyday. Point is this has been my passion for almost 3 years now. I'm definitely not gonna jump ship to a corvette because its only a two seater, and I will NEVER buy Ford. :no:

$29,775 is what I was expecting to pay for a 2LT/RS A6, since that package seems to be the equivalent of the impala LTZ, to me anyway.

Mentioned this in another thread...

Here's the actual GM Buypower online window sticker from my 2002 SS

http://www.phantomss.com/camaro/windowsticker/index.html

Loaded up, $31,790.00

That doesn't include things that are standard on a 2010 or that didn't even exist then. What folks are not understanding is that value doesn't mean low price and that's it. Value means low price for what you get.

Someone needs to show me where there is a better dollar to value performance vehicle out there.

If GM wants to sell a SH*T Load of these then there only hope is the LT!!! But it's not for me, Only a V8 will do. Here in good old Canada where their being built, they will be Half as much again($28000 US = $42000 Cnd) So either way I'm F***ED!!!!

My question is......how many of these people bitching were really gonna buy a 5th gen in the first place? I won't be getting one this year simply because I have other priorities. I'm saving to build a house at the moment and will hopefully have our first baby on the way soon.

I will buy one but it will be at least a year from now. I think the prices are good for what you get. You aren't paying $7000 just for the V8. You get alot more than that for your money.

Combined with the trim levels you can now pretty much build your new Camaro :)

it sucks, I want the HUD, but cloth seats

SO many dumbasses in here. I have no idea where to start. Just wow. Ford hasn't released the price for the updated Mustang I can't wait til they do so I can bring this thread back and laugh. I mean wtf is wrong with people.

THIS IS MSRP..............Let me type that again.......... MSRP MSRP MSRP MSRP. If any of you have ever paid MSRP your an idiot. That $1500-$2000 everyone is slitting their collective wrists over will probably dissappear. IT is so much more car than the Mustang in just terms of options and standard equipment.

I saw a guy who broke down the payments and is saying how the Camaro was way overpriced because it was $85 more a month. I'm sorry but if your willing to spend $540 on a premium GT but not $625 on a Camaro SS then wtf is wrong with you. Are you pushing your budget that close? Not too smart. Then I saw about how the Camaro is the same a Brand New Corvette which is just absurd. There is a $10K price difference in MSRP alone so obviously he meant a USED vette which has always been the case.

Numerous people have pointed out how the MSRP of the last of the 4th gen was around $30K but not a single idiot has acknowledged that. Where was the bitching then? I remember seeing a 35th anniversary with a sticker of $34K. The 4th gen wasn't half the car the 5th gen will be.

I'd say a lot of the people who want the car within the first 6 months on the road are going to be paying MSRP. I don't think we'll see "below sticker" deals as commonplace for a while.

The prices are about what I expected: LS a little higher, SS a little lower. Overall not bad.
I will be ordering one as soon as I find a dealer that will give me a good deal, defined as significantly below MSRP, possibly invoice.
I know it may be a few months or a year, but that's OK.

If any of you have ever paid MSRP you're an idiot.

Fixed.

Grammar aside, what's wrong with paying MSRP for a brand-new, highly anticipated car? I have big issues with people paying over MSRP (ever), and it's obviously desirable to get something for less than that, but it certainly doesn't make someone an idiot.

So far as I can tell, signs point to you being the idiot.

Thank you..beat me to it. MSRP that I've seen, while being about 1000 dollars higher than I'd thought it would be, is about in line with what you get for the money. That's a fair price to me, maybe not to everyone...but you can choose to pay it or not. A different opinion doesn't make one an idiot.

Someone needs to show me where there is a better dollar to value performance vehicle out there.

If such a thing exists, I'd say it's another GM product. Cobalt SS, Corvette, and G8 GT all make very compelling arguments for affordable performance in their respective markets.

The Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR, for a bit less than a ZR1, is also a bit of a performance bargain, although there's a big sacrifice in livability there.

And, of course, I'll open another can of worms and say that the Nissan GT-R offers pretty darn good performance for the money (although warranty issues and sky-high repair bills make this questionable).

Mentioned this in another thread...

Here's the actual GM Buypower online window sticker from my 2002 SS

http://www.phantomss.com/camaro/windowsticker/index.html

Loaded up, $31,790.00

That doesn't include things that are standard on a 2010 or that didn't even exist then. What folks are not understanding is that value doesn't mean low price and that's it. Value means low price for what you get.

Someone needs to show me where there is a better dollar to value performance vehicle out there.


Thank you Jason :yes:

This is what has been going through my mind as I have read page after page of people complaining about the prices. My loaded 1994 stickered at $27900, my loaded 1998 stickered at $29600, my 02 was only 23000 but the only option on it was the Hurst shifter. I remember a salesman when I was picking out my 98 trying to talk me into a 97 30th aniversary edition SS that had a sticker that was nearly $40000!! These prices are right in line with what I was expecting. My only complaint is the no blue for the SS. But since I plan on waiting till 2010 or 2011 to purchase, maybe it will be available then. This car is HOT!! Let the masses buy the cheaper Mustang! If you are truly looking for style and performance (with more than 2 seats Vette guys :D ) this is the car you need!

Jman

I am just disappointed that there seems to be about a $3000 premium over a comparable mustang. I thought GM would try to come in more competetive than they are. Mustangs still have an MSRP under $20,000 for a base car. And yea, the Camaro is WAY better for only $3000, but a lot of people are going to get turned off by the price when they compare side by side. And for this Camaro to last, the V6 needs to sell well.

-Geoff

I'm disappointed the auto is extra cost.

Also: Why is the block heater not available on SS? It gets dang cold where I live.

I really have to start making extra payments on my G6. As soon as it's paid off I can budget a Camaro 2SS weekend driver. :D

Fixed.

Grammar aside, what's wrong with paying MSRP for a brand-new, highly anticipated car? I have big issues with people paying over MSRP (ever), and it's obviously desirable to get something for less than that, but it certainly doesn't make someone an idiot.

So far as I can tell, signs point to you being the idiot.

Is "Fixed." a proper sentence Mr. Smartypants? I don't type to impress anyone and you certainly fall into that category. What's wrong with paying MSRP you ask? Nothing if you don't mind wasting money.

Those are MSRP prices, so shave 10-15% off that, and you should be able to make a deal. Especially with the way things are now.

There's only a 5% markup in the car invoice to MSRP

I wont be buying one, simply because this whole retro interior thing has gone too far. Pay 35K for a car that has a 60s look on the inside, no thanks.

Then go away.

That was my first reaction as well. But I still feel they are reasonably priced.

YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Is it really that hard to understand. While I agree that we had been led (more probably led ourselves) to believe we could go to Ford.com, click build your own Mustang, and know within a grand what the Camaro would cost, we missed the other half of the equation that included the Challenger. While you may think Ford is laughing at Chevy, Dodge certainly isn't.

SO many dumbasses in here. ...
THIS IS MSRP..............Let me type that again.......... MSRP MSRP MSRP MSRP. If any of you have ever paid MSRP your an idiot....I'm sorry but if your willing to spend $540 on a premium GT but not $625 on a Camaro SS then wtf is wrong with you....The 4th gen wasn't half the car the 5th gen will be.

So, on one hand you're telling me I'm an idiot for paying MSRP this morning, then you follow it up by how superior this car is to anything in the past. :lol:

Is "Fixed." a proper sentence Mr. Smartypants? I don't type to impress anyone and you certainly fall into that category. What's wrong with paying MSRP you ask? Nothing if your a fool.

Ok, then I'm a fool. BUT, I'll be banging my 2SS/RS through all 6 gear shifts by March. Will you?

Geeze, you people kill me. THIS IS NO SHOCK THAT THE CAR IS THIS MUCH. We ALL wanted it to be cheaper- duh.

o.k. im a little confused

LS = V6
SS= 6.2L V8
LT = ?????

o.k. Im a little confused

ls = v6
ss= 6.2l v8
lt = ?????

lt=v6

You need to chill out, everyone is entitled to their opinion so don't bash them for it. If someone thinks it's too expensive then let it be, you don't manage anyone's funds. Everyone expected it to be in the Mustang price range, too bad it's not and it's driving a few people that were interested in purchasing away now. I, myself am no longer interested and it makes my decision making even better for a new Corvette, i really expected the base 1SS to be in the 26k range. Hopefully GM will not be making a mistake with this one, and we better hope the new Mustang will be priced around the same.

You need to chill out, everyone is entitled to their opinion so don't bash them for it. If someone thinks it's too expensive then let it be, you don't manage anyone's funds. Everyone expected it to be in the Mustang price range, too bad it's not and it's driving a few people that were interested in purchasing away now. I, myself am no longer interested and it makes my decision making even better for a new Corvette, i really expected the base 1SS to be in the 26k range. Hopefully GM will not be making a mistake with this one, and we better hope the new Mustang will be priced around the same.

I'm not bashing anyone- just defending being apparently an "idiot". I honestly think a lot of people fooled themselves into believing the SS line would be 4-5k cheaper. It just wasn't real. Everyone wanted to look at the Mustang and ignore the Challenger. The Camaro fell in between where it should have. Some may say I paid too much for the 2SS/RS - so be it. I contend that I got a lot more car for 36k than the Challenger for 42k.

well i am headed to the dodge dealer then if I have to pay that much for a camaro with a V8.

well i am headed to the dodge dealer then if I have to pay that much for a camaro with a V8.

What did I just say? The 425 HP SRT Challenger is 42k compared to 36 for the 422HP Camaro. But, ok, go buy a Dodge.

Common, You know this is a much better buy then dodge. you know and I know it. Sheesh, the Dodge people are scared of the V6 monster and the V8 Super Monster. Calm Down man.

A 2002 V6 based at $18,415.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics inflation calculator, that's $22,426 in today's dollars - so pretty darn close to the 2010 LS.



2002 Z28 convertible base price was $29,925. That's $36,443 in today's dollars.

I was thinking SS vert

so much for scott saying the car would be priced similar to a mustang...a loaded 2SS is only 6k less than a barebone C6...

this also likely means a convert 2SS is over 40k...so much for the camaro being the corvette for every man

Also: Why is the block heater not available on SS?

......because the standard engine oil cooler mounts in the same place as the engine block heater.

so much for scott saying the car would be priced similar to a mustang...Have you seen 2010 Mustang pricing? :p

INFLATION!!!

Base cost for an '02 Z/28 Coupe, no options was $22,800. If we do 7 years of inflation on this base price @ 3% inflation we net $27,500.00. At 4% inflation we are at $30,000 even. All things considered, the base is roughly the same cost as it was in 2002, inflation adjusted. I did not include tax, destination charge, etc for ease of reading.

For the SS, it started at $32,780. Again, at 3% inflation for 7 years we net $40,300. At 4% we net $43,000.00.

Bottom line, prices are roughly where they were 7 years ago, so I dont understand why everyone is complaining.



As for the mustang comparison, you get what you pay for and I will leave it at that :lol:

INFLATION!!!

Base cost for an '02 Z/28 Coupe, no options was $22,800. If we do 7 years of inflation on this base price @ 3% inflation we net $27,500.00. At 4% inflation we are at $30,000 even. All things considered, the base is roughly the same cost as it was in 2002, inflation adjusted. I did not include tax, destination charge, etc for ease of reading.

For the SS, it started at $32,780. Again, at 3% inflation for 7 years we net $40,300. At 4% we net $43,000.00.

Bottom line, prices are roughly where they were 7 years ago, so I dont understand why everyone is complaining.



As for the mustang comparison, you get what you pay for and I will leave it at that :lol:

The only problem I have w/ that analogy is that the 5th gen SS is more akin to the 4th gen Z28. W/ the 4th gen SS, not only did you get the V8 and associated hardware, but you got a different hood, spoiler, and exhaust. It would have been nice for the 1SS and 2SS to have a bit more exterior distinction than its V6 bretherin, which was the same argument made against the 4th gen Z28.

......because the standard engine oil cooler mounts in the same place as the engine block heater.

Okay. Thanks, I didn't know that.

I think a major reason people are upset is while you are right adjusted for inflation the price is in line with 2002. But what your forget to add is the average Joe like me and many others have not had our wages increase to keep up with inflation at 3% per year. I am actually taking home less per week than 6 years ago if you factor in insurance, gas prices, food etc.

INFLATION!!!

Base cost for an '02 Z/28 Coupe, no options was $22,800. If we do 7 years of inflation on this base price @ 3% inflation we net $27,500.00. At 4% inflation we are at $30,000 even. All things considered, the base is roughly the same cost as it was in 2002, inflation adjusted. I did not include tax, destination charge, etc for ease of reading.

For the SS, it started at $32,780. Again, at 3% inflation for 7 years we net $40,300. At 4% we net $43,000.00.

Bottom line, prices are roughly where they were 7 years ago, so I dont understand why everyone is complaining.



As for the mustang comparison, you get what you pay for and I will leave it at that :lol:

I understand the frustration with the pricing being as high as it is. I really feel GM will once again be out pricing its target market and sell at a distant second to Mustang.

Your correct in assuming the inflation changes from 2002 to 2008; however you are not factoring in the change in household incomes.

According to the Census Bureau household incomes in 2003 were $45,324 and in 2007 $50,233 resulting in a overall increase of 10.3%. The change in prices of a base V8 Camaro from 2002 at $22,800 and the new base V8 Camaro at $30,992 is an increase of 35.92%. This is quite a difference in price relative to average household purchasing power.

Add these facts on top of a currently bleak economic outlook, the Camaro looks even less appealing; especially considering its sacrifices in functionality.

At the current price structure I predict the Camaro to be a success but not anything that will greatly improve GM's profitability. The fact that it is not close to the Mustang in strictly price will be a large factor in the Camaros insignificance from a pure business standpoint.

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/pdf/2010+Camaro+Specifications.pdf

did they just add the pricing and options stuff to that or am i just crazy?

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/pdf/2010+Camaro+Specifications.pdf

did they just add the pricing and options stuff to that or am i just crazy?

You're not crazy. There were no "base" prices across the top column yesterday.

I think a major reason people are upset is while you are right adjusted for inflation the price is in line with 2002. But what your forget to add is the average Joe like me and many others have not had our wages increase to keep up with inflation at 3% per year. I am actually taking home less per week than 6 years ago if you factor in insurance, gas prices, food etc.
This is a good point and could be justified with wage statistics. A lot of people make less money in real terms than they did 10 years ago.

These prices are right along what I expected -- very competitive with everything except a stripper Mustang. The tough part will be the economic conditions.

Also for those saying it's a little too expensive, GM has a tenancy to run "loyalty" rebates and "new owner" rebates, so just about everyone should qualify for 1-2K off the sticker through some program.

I wish they give a 5k loyalty for owning a 4th gen.

The base SS and the stereo is enough for me. The rest are just $$$ frills

when has mustang ever made a more powerfull car then the camaro??? chevy never let it happen before i doubt they will let it happen now.

Heh, since two thousand and three.

Anyways,

The real question is if Ford drops the 400hp bomb in a mass neutral, or slightly heavier Mustang and it edges out the SS in straight line performance, will GM drop say a 450-475hp Bomb on Ford's door. Will Ford respond with a 425hp 5.0 and will GM retort with a 500hp SS??????!!!!!!

If GM drops a 550hp Z/28 on the GT500 will Ford drop a 600hp GT500 on the Z/28 and will GM retort with a 800hp Z/28?????!!!!!!

Inquiring minds want to know! :D

The more I thought about it during the day, the more I feel the car is overpriced.
A fully loaded SS coupe should have come in for about $30-33K. A fully loaded SS vert should come in at 35-38K, not the $40-42K that it will be. And then add HUD and park assist that is coming and the price will go up further. Plus they will keep raising the price 1-2 times per year.
So by 2012-2013, a fully loaded SS vert will probably run around $45K. WOW!!!
Car companies should not price vehicles with respect to the previous model or year, but instead by what their target demographic makes in wages.

While I could afford a $40-45K car, I don't think I can justify it. I may have to buy used, but any difference in price will be wiped out by the difference in the interest rate between new & used cars.

Jeez, I really hope they dont have to discount the F5, that doesn't bode well for the future.

I'm sad to hear that Camaro isn't what you wanted it to be, but you're in the minority.

I'm not so sure about that....I think it's more of a 50/50 split. We need a poll to find out.

I hate to jump on the fail boat wagon, but I am predicting that this thing will last about as long as the "GTO".

Prices were a little lower than I expected......doesn't matter to me though.... I will not be purchasing one.

When thinking about it....I think GM is trying to target the baby boomers who want to try and recapture the "old" days(while GM rakes in their life's savings). In doing so, they have totally forgot what this car is supposed to be.....a decently priced V8 performance car that the average Joe/Jane can afford.

Someone needs to show me where there is a better dollar to value performance vehicle out there.

Used C5 with a freshened up, cam/heads LS1.....LS6 even. How can you not even consider it?????? The Corvette is a step up from the Camaro.....the only reason you didn't do this with a C4 is because of the L98. The LT1 in the 4th gen spanked it(stock for stock). If you're a guy/girl looking for performance and want something that can do it in comfort.....a used C5 is it. If you need a back seat....not so much so...

The only way not to consider a Vette, to the new Camaro, is if you need a back seat or are just a blinded Camaro fanatic. That, sadly enough, is not going to keep this car going. The Camaro team should have taken a page from the Corvette team.....they saved the Vette from the ax and have boosted Vette sales doing it.

In the new car arena, with the economy these days, I'm sure the Mustang will more than compete with the new 5th gen....I'm more than confidant about that.....

I really think this is a swing and miss by GM.:(

Of course, the future is not written......I hope I'm dead wrong on all of this......but to me it does not look good.

Of course this is all your personal opinion ;)

I've got a 2006 Corvette Coupe and I can't wait to get rid of it for the 2010 Camaro SS! :)

maybe I will be lucky enough to find a good 2010 1/2SS that's leftover and the dealers needs to move for 2011.

GMAC has announced a purchaser of a new GM vehicle needs at least a 700 FICO score for a 60 month loan and 750 for a 72 month loan.

Ace1252,

As far as a affordable V8 Camaro goes, since 1993 you had to buy a Z28 to get a V8 Camaro.

6 cylinders have always been a huge percentage of Camaro sales. V8s became a larger part of sales during the late '70s and '80s when the V8s were only producing 140-170hp.

And don't forget about rebates incentives. These cars will be selling near invoice, they will have rebates and they will have incentives soon after they are released.

It's a Chevy Camaro not a Ferrari, GM wants to build and sell a lot of them and they will do whatever it takes to stay a viable company and that includes taking sales away from Ford and Chrysler not to mention the Asians.
Nothing would make GM happier than to sell 150-200,000 of them a year and have them on every street corner across America.

So it costs me $9,000 more to get a V8? This is the one spot where this car truly is failing at.

1) A base Mustang GT V8 will MSRP at, what, under $28,000? I know the V6 makes the same HP in the Camaro, but the Stang is faster for less money, and has the rumble of a V8.
2) Why does the Camaro V8 have to sticker at an even higher MSRP than the G8 and Challenger V8s? Both are larger vehicles.


A lot of people aren't gonna want to pay $600+ per month just to get a V8. Gas prices be damned (and look at where they're falling to now!!!), in my opinion many still want a V8. I like where the base car starts, and even the mid-level prices...but I crowed on here for about 4 years that what we needed was a base car with a V8 engine option.

Now how many of those would've sold???????????? Going into this market, right now? Its a great car, but a lot of people don't want to part with their $$$. Its just too bad it costs so much to get a V8....
well then go buy a mustang. but your not going to get camaro power.

Used C5 with a freshened up, cam/heads LS1.....LS6 even. How can you not even consider it?????? The Corvette is a step up from the Camaro.....the only reason you didn't do this with a C4 is because of the L98. The LT1 in the 4th gen spanked it(stock for stock). If you're a guy/girl looking for performance and want something that can do it in comfort.....a used C5 is it. If you need a back seat....not so much so...

The only way not to consider a Vette, to the new Camaro, is if you need a back seat or are just a blinded Camaro fanatic. That, sadly enough, is not going to keep this car going. The Camaro team should have taken a page from the Corvette team.....they saved the Vette from the ax and have boosted Vette sales doing it.

In the new car arena, with the economy these days, I'm sure the Mustang will more than compete with the new 5th gen....I'm more than confidant about that.....

I really think this is a swing and miss by GM.:(

Of course, the future is not written......I hope I'm dead wrong on all of this......but to me it does not look good.hahaha! you couldnt be more wrong.

I think the pricing is correct for the content.
The only problem I have personally is for around $35,000 I have a lot of choices.
Figuring out best bang for the buck is tougher.
We need the publications to get their hands on these cars and show us what they will do. Real world track times, (strip and road) real world modification gains, real world MPG numbers..... I would feel a lot better hearing from a few sources how this new Camaro stacks up to other options in the same price category. (and my usual, "if the IRS will hold up to sticky drag launches".....)
How soon could production style cars be released to the media?

im 22 got 10k saved.. 21 more to get an SS base model? Fail ill go finish my 383 iroc

Used C5 with a freshened up, cam/heads LS1.....LS6 even. How can you not even consider it??????

Well, yeah, of course that is awesome and a pretty good idea if we are talking about comparing a new Camaro price to any used car price. I can buy a $5,000 LS1 semi-beater Camaro and dump $20,000 into it and run 9s all day long blindfolded. Wait....hmmmm.... :think:

Uh...yeah...anyway... :D

The 2010 Camaro as a new car is an outstanding value for what you get. People are saying it is overpriced. Sure, when you compare to a used car with 40k miles on it, you bet but that really isn't a fair comparison. Some are also saying it is overpriced because it is not in their budget. That sucks but is also not a fair comparison.

My point is that for example, some people are expecting a much better car with more performance capability and tons more features to come in at a lower price point than a less-powerful and less equipped car in 2002. In a perfect world, yes but even when projecting 2002 Camaro prices to 2010 prices, it is still a very good value. My window sticker posted above shows this.

I think the Camaro costs more because its not some cheap Mustang. People think they are the same and thats just not the case.

Just by looking the V6 car I can see that GM went far above and beyond the Mustang and Challenger V6.

I've got a 2006 Corvette Coupe and I can't wait to get rid of it for the 2010 Camaro SS! :)
So, are you actually going to put some miles on the Camaro, or is it just going to sit in your garage and collect dust too?

GMAC has announced a purchaser of a new GM vehicle needs at least a 700 FICO score for a 60 month loan and 750 for a 72 month loan.
Good. It's about time they started raising their standards.

GMAC has announced a purchaser of a new GM vehicle needs at least a 700 FICO score for a 60 month loan and 750 for a 72 month loan.

probably would try going through my credit union anyway.

im 22 got 10k saved.. 21 more to get an SS base model? Fail ill go finish my 383 iroc

Again, WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING? Did you expect the SS to come in at 25K? Everybody has speculated that it would come in around this price, maybe a grand less. It blows my mind how this is turning some peoples' worlds upside down like they never could have imagined it.

This is a good point and could be justified with wage statistics. A lot of people make less money in real terms than they did 10 years ago.

According to the Census Bureau household incomes in 2003 were $45,324 and in 2007 $50,233 resulting in a overall increase of 10.3%. The change in prices of a base V8 Camaro from 2002 at $22,800 and the new base V8 Camaro at $30,992 is an increase of 35.92%. This is quite a difference in price relative to average household purchasing power.

Again, WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING? Did you expect the SS to come in at 25K? Everybody has speculated that it would come in around this price, maybe a grand less. It blows my mind how this is turning some peoples' worlds upside down like they never could have imagined it.

I think people expected a fully loaded SS to come in around $30-33K, not $38-39K.

This pricing pushes the car outside of a LOT of people's budgets. And that's what they're mad about. They've been drooling over this car for for what, 2-3years now? And now they learn they can't afford it. Of course they're upset.

According to the Census Bureau household incomes in 2003 were $45,324 and in 2007 $50,233 resulting in a overall increase of 10.3%. The change in prices of a base V8 Camaro from 2002 at $22,800 and the new base V8 Camaro at $30,992 is an increase of 35.92%. This is quite a difference in price relative to average household purchasing power.


I started a poll here, about income levels vs price to be able to purchase a new camaro : http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=642059

As i find myself in the position that i actually make less now, than i did in 2003, heck, less now than i did just 6 months ago... and i felt that the purchasing power of households versus the cost of the car would be interesting to see what folks say/ plan to do.

Of course this is all your personal opinion ;)

I've got a 2006 Corvette Coupe and I can't wait to get rid of it for the 2010 Camaro SS! :)

lol, I feel the same way about my '08, and I love that car too, but the Camaro is just a different animal w/ a different feel. W/ the Corvette, all their message boards want to know is how many coats of wax you have on it and why you don't wave more.

I think people expected a fully loaded SS to come in around $30-33K, not $38-39K.

This pricing pushes the car outside of a LOT of people's budgets. And that's what they're mad about. They've been drooling over this car for for what, 2-3years now? And now they learn they can't afford it. Of course they're upset.

I am truly bummed for anyone who is stuck in that situation and I am not judging anyone, but it simply isn't reasonable to expect that anything to be better but the same price or less as its predecessor 6 years ago. To put it in current situation, can anyone today reasonably expect a new 2016 model year Camaro to be theoretically much better, more powerful, and have more features but cost less than it does right now?

A fully loaded SS wasn't $30k in 2002. Here is my window sticker:
http://www.phantomss.com/camaro/windowsticker/index.html

Heck, my 1996 Camaro SS was around $30k, closer to $31k if I remember correctly. That car was great then, but is only a fraction of what a 2010 Camaro is. Take a 1996 Camaro SS at sticker price. Paying 1996 prices, buy whatever items and services it takes to be equivalent to a 2010 Camaro SS in performance and features and you will be WELL above a 2010 Camaro price.

Make no mistake, I wish it was not as much either. No one is thrilled about paying more for anything. Hell, I wish it was less than $25k for a 2010 Camaro loaded to the hilt but expecting it to be that way simply isn't reasonable.

W/ the Corvette, all their message boards want to know is how many coats of wax you have on it and why you don't wave more.

:lol:

I think many of the frustrations lie with the intense focus on the V6 car by GM, which unfortunately is not on many of our (the posters on this board) horizons . The V6 is going to be the home run hitter, and I am hoping that it will register loudly with the general buying public. It just so happens that it's not even anything that most anyone on this board will consider, including myself. Congrats to GM for creating a truly awesome car for the money in the V6, and my condolences to those who wanted a cheaper V8.

I am truly bummed for anyone who is stuck in that situation and I am not judging anyone, but it simply isn't reasonable to expect that anything to be better but the same price or less as its predecessor 6 years ago. To put it in current situation, can anyone today reasonably expect a new 2016 model year Camaro to be theoretically much better, more powerful, and have more features but cost less than it does right now?


Unfortunately im in that position. Cost of wages has not gone up with the cost of living, sadly, and in my area, Southern State that it is, unfortunately may be hit harder than other areas.

I am a computer person at USC here, and I can relate to what you say about it not being reasonable to expect that a better product at lower price isnt reasonable, but at the same time, why not? look at computers. Today you can buy and build you a 1000 times better pc than you bought in 2001 or 2002 for LESS. Much less when you incorporate value versus dollar. I've been in Computers for my entire career since 1997, and that's been the trend, lower prices, more product since they debued. yes, the inital price of the part is expensive, but the price does go down hill quite rapidly.




Make no mistake, I wish it was not as much either. No one is thrilled about paying more for anything. Hell, I wish it was less than $25k for a 2010 Camaro loaded to the hilt but expecting it to be that way simply isn't reasonable.

yea, and i think thats my hang up. The fact that I do not make more than i did in 2001 or 2002,(when in fact i now make less) where as cost of gas has tripled, cost of food has doubled, etc etc.. and thus i think the majority of "Joe Sixpack" (lol ;) ) folks are not going to be able to buy a v8 car new... and we all know that the v8 cars is what most of us on the forums here or elsewhere want, and also know that we cant afford them takes the wind out of our sails so to speak.

It's not GM's fault per sae.. its more of the problems we're facing in our economy / government, but thats another argument entirely.

I think the price is too close to the vette and will essentially just spur people onto that car instead.

I have not been a fan of this car admittedly and the interior is the deal killer for me (as if the lack of T-tops wasnt)..

At over 35K for a V8 and forcing people to have "packages" instead of strippers its just not worth it. I like my stuff MY WAY.. Burger King got it right..

I think the price is too close to the vette and will essentially just spur people onto that car instead.

I have not been a fan of this car admittedly and the interior is the deal killer for me (as if the lack of T-tops wasnt)..

At over 35K for a V8 and forcing people to have "packages" instead of strippers its just not worth it. I like my stuff MY WAY.. Burger King got it right..

The pricing is nowhere near close to the Vette. Unless of course you're looking at left over 08's with the huge discounts. Let's compare apples to apples to be fair.

don't forget to think about full coverage insurance on a brand new vehicle too.

don't forget to think about full coverage insurance on a brand new vehicle too.


and taxes.. shoot in 2003, my 01 z's annual taxes were 650.00

highway robbery.

and taxes.. shoot in 2003, my 01 z's annual taxes were 650.00

highway robbery.

Annual taxes on cars? Must be state-specific. How does it work?

Other than insurance, all we have to do in Michigan is keep the car registered. Costs me ~$100/year for my '02.

here in SC we get hit for taxes on our personal property. Both houses and cars. On top of cars, we get hit for registration fees as well, and they have some sort of formula they use for the taxes, based on county / school district. For instance, my taxes and registration for my 91 z droptop was 45.00 this year, however for my 2001 z28 it was 267.00 this year. Every 2 years we also get hit with a license plate renewal as well which doubles the normal registration from 18.00 to like 36.00 or soemthing.. kinda backwards.

houses get the same treatment for property taxes, as does land.

Taxes on autos, was a major reason a couple years ago when we were looking at new Tahoes, for us not getting one. I think first year tax bill for it was somewhere upward of 1600.00

here in SC we get hit for taxes on our personal property. Both houses and cars.

Same here in Missouri - houses, cars, boats, livestock. Any "real" property.

They use an amortization schedule, so the taxes on your vehicle are highest when they are new and then gradually go down from there. For a $25,000 vehicle they are usually around $1,200.

It's a real factor when car shopping in states that charge personal property tax.

We also have the joys of having to have an annual state safety inspection of your vehicle to renew your plates here.

yea, that amortization scheudle sounds right for SC as well.

We dont have inspection anymore, so at least we have that plus.

I think the price is fair... Unfortunatly there will be people bummed out about it as it is out of their budget - can't blame em for wanting it for less :) It is a privledge and a luxury to own this car, and the price (to me) is about right for that...

I think the price is fair... Unfortunatly there will be people bummed out about it as it is out of their budget - can't blame em for wanting it for less :) It is a privledge and a luxury to own this car, and the price (to me) is about right for that...

I totally agree. I don't think I'll be able to budget it this year due to other commitments, but it's definitely on my buy list for the 2011 model, unless I decide to use my down payment on a house, which would be a more intelligent choice.

At over 35K for a V8 and forcing people to have "packages" instead of strippers its just not worth it. I like my stuff MY WAY.. Burger King got it right..
I remember thinking that about the 4th gen - there were some options, like suspension choices, but for an enthusiast car that is likely to get modded, a more a la carte approach would be better, with you being able to order a base model plus exactly what you want. The same type of option structure is present on most Chevys today, looking at the HHR's options, it almost feels like you're paying for the option to have options with some of the trim levels. Can't even have a tailpipe trim on a base model. For the HHR SS there's options for performance seats, and Brembo brakes...no suspension options though. GM's production systems seem to have never been flexible enough to deal with this approach, but they're going to have to change to survive.

GMAC has announced a purchaser of a new GM vehicle needs at least a 700 FICO score for a 60 month loan and 750 for a 72 month loan.

One more thing checked off the list ;)

Thanks for posting that up!

Just thinking about it, I am still stuck in 96-99 when I was looking, scheming, and dreaming of getting that 4th gen Z28.

I guess when I think of 35K-40K for a car I think....that's the price of a single wide home.....well it was back when the wife and I were looking at that option back in '97(we ultimately decided to rent and now own a home...that is not a single or double wide:D:D;);)).

GM is in a tough spot because of the economy......delay it and you have trouble.....release it and they still may have trouble.

It's true enough, in regards to the 5th gen, I'm like one of those people standing on the street corner with a sign "The end of the world is near". I don't mean to rain on the party.....I want to see the car blow the doors off the sales charts. I'm just not a fan of the retro stuff and the timing with the economy could not be worse for it's release.

Mentioned this in another thread...

Here's the actual GM Buypower online window sticker from my 2002 SS

http://www.phantomss.com/camaro/windowsticker/index.html

Loaded up, $31,790.00

That doesn't include things that are standard on a 2010 or that didn't even exist then. What folks are not understanding is that value doesn't mean low price and that's it. Value means low price for what you get.

Someone needs to show me where there is a better dollar to value performance vehicle out there.

Can I get an AMEN??

I was expecting an MSRP at 40,000, (look at the Challenger) which I would have passed on entirely. My 2SS/RS at 35,380?? SOLD!

I understand Camarois an expensive car, but this price is completely reasonable and team Camaro should be commended for bringing us all the equipment at such a cost.

Hey JasonD, are you trading in the 02 SS, or starting your own little museum?

I think the price is too close to the vette and will essentially just spur people onto that car instead.

I have not been a fan of this car admittedly and the interior is the deal killer for me (as if the lack of T-tops wasnt)..

At over 35K for a V8 and forcing people to have "packages" instead of strippers its just not worth it. I like my stuff MY WAY.. Burger King got it right..

a new vette base price is 42000.00 base price for a v8 camaro is 30000.00
not even close. and both have alot of room for customization and upgrades to make it as expensive as you want.

^You dont have to use GMAC, but most banks are doing the same thing. A Credit Union would probably be a better way to go.

Jason sold his 02 SS a couple years ago and it is now in the current issue of GM High Tech Performance magazine as a feature car.

I see that alot of people are disappointed with pricing, can't really blame them. Alot of comparisons are being done with inflation from the 4th gen. Well, in my opinion, the 4th gen when it was new fully loaded was overpriced near the end of its life cycle. It will only take about 2 or 3 model years of GM price increases to get the loaded SS into the 40's, THE 40'S!!!! Let's forget what the convertibles will go for!. That's pathetic!!! But unfortunately there's nothing that can be done. The LS-LT models will be the bread and butter for GM. Anyone who wants to own a v8 car will have to pay a premium, thanks to the sad state of our economy and the way business is dealt these days. :mad: There are also people who are thinking about getting a Vette instead, well why wouldn't they? A loaded SS will go for 37-38k while Kerbeck has brand new 09 Vette's heavily discounted available now. Anyone who doubts this can just check their website. I personally am not sure what I'm going to do. I plan to wait and see the car in person and decide then. I still have time. :yes:

Like so many others, I was expecting a tad bit lower base prices, but I guess GM's beancounters and marketing people have done their homework and set the prices where they should be to be both profitable and lure in buyers. :shrug: We'll see.

To me it doesn't matter since I can no purchase one in a few years, so I will have to wait for the used market. :(

a new vette base price is 42000.00 base price for a v8 camaro is 30000.00
not even close. and both have alot of room for customization and upgrades to make it as expensive as you want.

Actually the base of an '09 Vette is $49.xxx. So that is bascially a $20K difference. Now I know you can get a phenomenal deal on a new '08 Vette, but even still you are looking at around $40K for a base 1LT Vette and comparable to a loaded SS is at least $50K or so. I think the SS, even loaded, is a great deal, probably one of the best deals for this kind of power/performance/styling/handing...etc!

Great cars, ok prices, but very bad timing.

GM DOESN'T CARE ABOUT V8 SALES!! They want to sell v6's..... why don't you people understand that???

To say they don't care is very short-sighted. However, I do agree that in the long run, the V6 "edition" will be the one that dominates the market in that class. The V8 will not; it will continue to be the Mustang that dominates based solely on pricing. Is the V8 Camaro far superior and "worth" the difference? Of course. Are the people in that demographic able to afford the difference or even care to see the difference, probably not.

The V8 is priced $2.00 dollars more than the Challenger V8. I would assume the next mustang is going to be near or at this price as well.

Oh, and the Challenger costs 1k to get a manual transmission. Camaro charges 1k for an auto.


Pricing is fine. People who want the 25-28k V8 probably won't be able to afford the gas for the car. I think the pricing is spot on. Toys cost alot of money.

The V8 is priced $2.00 dollars more than the Challenger V8. I would assume the next mustang is going to be near or at this price as well.

Oh, and the Challenger costs 1k to get a manual transmission. Camaro charges 1k for an auto.


Pricing is fine. People who want the 25-28k V8 probably won't be able to afford the gas for the car. I think the pricing is spot on. Toys cost alot of money.

No it isn't. You can't look at the "mid-range" Challenger V8 and compare it to the SS. I submit that in fact, the SS is priced over 6k cheaper than the comparable Challenger.

Don't forget about the ADDED VALUE dealer sticker for the first year sales.
I think 10 - 20 thousand should cover it.

My 94 Z28 looks better and better.

Don't forget about the ADDED VALUE dealer sticker for the first year sales.
I think 10 - 20 thousand should cover it.

My 94 Z28 looks better and better.

Not happening. Some are trying to get away with it, but by far and large, I would venture to say 95% of the people posting here (and elsewhere) are not paying a penny over MSRP. The "proof's in the pudding" so to speak.

Don't forget about the ADDED VALUE dealer sticker for the first year sales.
I think 10 - 20 thousand should cover it.

My 94 Z28 looks better and better.

Don't forget about the ADDED VALUE dealer sticker for the first year sales.
I think 10 - 20 thousand should cover it.

My 94 Z28 looks better and better.

What part of I got mine at MSRP EASILY, and so did a bunch of others here, don't you get?

According to the Census Bureau household incomes in 2003 were $45,324 and in 2007 $50,233 resulting in a overall increase of 10.3%. The change in prices of a base V8 Camaro from 2002 at $22,800 and the new base V8 Camaro at $30,992 is an increase of 35.92%. This is quite a difference in price relative to average household purchasing power.

True, but averages don't tell the whole story. What's happened is that incomes on the lower-end are down, while incomes on the higher end are up.

This I think is why luxury cars have been doing so well, while more blue-collar brands have been in decline. It also might explain the increase in price of the 'base V8' model -- perhaps Chevy feels there's more purchasing power at the upper end of the market.

Don't forget about the ADDED VALUE dealer sticker for the first year sales.
I think 10 - 20 thousand should cover it.

My 94 Z28 looks better and better.

there are a lot of people who are able to get MSRP. no one should pay over that

True, but averages don't tell the whole story. What's happened is that incomes on the lower-end are down, while incomes on the higher end are up.

This I think is why luxury cars have been doing so well, while more blue-collar brands have been in decline. It also might explain the increase in price of the 'base V8' model -- perhaps Chevy feels there's more purchasing power at the upper end of the market.

Perhaps you are right, but I think we both can agree that the Camaro has always been a blue-collar product. Frankly I have not seen, nor do I expect to see, the Camaro at any price or any quality winning over higher end purchasers.

Again, I think it is a mistake to price the Camaro over the Mustang regardless of perceived "bang for the buck" performance the Camaro offers.

Agreed that the Camaro is a blue collar car, and so it should have carried blue collar pricing. GM should be willing to forgo a large profit on this car in order to get the sales they want. This car's price should have been determined by real wages of these blue collar workers and the current state of the economy rather than where the last Camaro ended up, or where the competition is priced at, or what equipment a buyer gets at a particular price point.

And to be clear, I've never said $25-27 for a V-8 car. I think $30-33K for a fully loaded 2SS coupe is fair and $35-38K for a fully loaded 2SS vert is fair.

The Camaro is a no go for me, I just cut a deal for a brand new 08 corvett for 38K.

Its a beauty, don't get me wrong. But the price on the V8 side is a bit pushing the "corvette" range, and its just outside the Mustang range.

And sure, economy, economy, blah blah, the reason it hasn't effected any of the camaro owners (like us) is becuse noone today ows payments on a camaro. So we all have money for upgrades.

I think the car is awesome...but I love having money for upgrades...It will be hard to see what I choose to do.


JW

I went to a local Chevy dealer last night and was told that they don't have the ability to order the Camaro with options yet in Canada. They also don't have a price breakdown on anything and have told me that pricing information hasn't been released anywhere yet.

He did say that they've got deposits on 40 of them so far, and that I shouldn't expect to have one available to me for at least 6 months after production starts. He also told me to expect the 2SS model to be at least $50,000. :rolleyes:

So......

I'll be going to a different dealer to order mine when I order it.