So....the "torque gauge" is dead......

HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!

It still exists, its on the center console in the 4-pk of gauges

In the popular mechanics review it states that it has been replaces with a tranny temp gauge.

It still exists, its on the center console in the 4-pk of gauges

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The optional console mount gauges on Camaros we've seen before have included a "torque meter." This, we thought, was an odd choice for this valuable real estate. Well, apparently the engineers thought so too. Both prototypes had transmission temperature gauges in place of the torque meter. McCormack says the torque meter is history.

In the popular mechanics review it states that it has been replaces with a tranny temp gauge.

I'm glad to hear that and I hope that it's true. :yes:

i agree, the trans temp sensor is 100% better than the gimmicky TQ gauge. The manuals should run a different gauge tho.

i agree, the trans temp sensor is 100% better than the gimmicky TQ gauge. The manuals should run a different gauge tho.

I like the idea of a transmission temp sensor. wouldnt have the slightest idea of what to do with one but I can learn :p It sounds like a good idea. I still want my idea of a computer screen that reads engine codes and tells you what the computer is actually showing as in alert. Its a computer... It can read itself... You shouldnt need a scanner. How cool would it be for your dash to say Oxygen sensor bank 2 is reporting bad rather than your engine light just comming on.

Thats good to hear, but these were always optional right ?

I wonder if they've considered a fuel economy gauge? I'm sure that will be available in the DIC.

Good news for the racers with the big stall torque convertors!

-Geoff

Maybe someone explain to me how the Torque Gauge wasn't just a Tachometer with different units.

Still though, too bad because it was 'clever marketing'.

If you've ever looked at a dyno graph, especially of one with a modern engine with a flat torque curve, you'd see that it wouldn't behave anything like a tach.

Maybe someone explain to me how the Torque Gauge wasn't just a Tachometer with different units.

Still though, too bad because it was 'clever marketing'.
i was thinkin it was more of a throttle positioning sensor reading.

Glad to hear it, I thought it was pretty "gimmicky" myself.

I noticed it was missing in one of the Motor Trend pics, but didn't give much thought to it for some reason.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0811_2010_chevrolet_camaro_v6_first_drive/photo_10.html

Why the hate on the Torque gauge? Using it as a daily driver like 90% of us will, what the hell do we need to see the Tranny temp for? In all the cars I've ever owned, I've never cooked my tranny. (well except my Grand National, but it was covered under waranty) Frankly I'd rather have the "gimmicky" torque gauge. At least I'd see it going up and down instead of climbing to operating temp and staying there.

Better yet, I hear there is a 16 year old kid up in Tennesee (I think) that has made an on car dyno using sensors on the drive shaft at the U Joint. And it WORKS. Now that would be a cool gauge. A true Horse Power gauge. If a 16 year old can make one, why not GM?

I was wondering about this. I read an article a while back that a kid and his father developed and patented a torque guage. They were in the process of marketing it to the big 3. I wonder if it was dropped by legal due to possible patent violations? I know Chrysler has a similar guage and I don think they license with these people either.

Yes there was an article in MOTOR TREND about it. Kid was tired of the expense of having to dyno his car to see what improvements his mods/tuning/etc, made so he with his dads help came up with it.

",,,,they commissioned a machine shop to grind down the U-joint pins that mount to the driveshaft yoke, so they could wrap them with paper-thin (8/1000 inch) Powertech pressure sensors. Their leads connect to a battery-powered signal conditioning unit and wireless transmitter located in a two-piece, weight-balanced plastic collar that bolts onto the driveshaft about halfway between the yoke and the center bearing. Several iterations of this design over a period of two years have yielded sensors that can withstand the torque of his now supercharged V-8 without being crushed, and a collar that doesn't fly apart under the extreme centrifugal forces experienced on the driveshaft. He's even been granted a provisional patent for the concept."

http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/112_0809_technologue/index.html

I'd rather have a tranny temp gauge then a torque gauge. If you're sitting in traffic in traffic on a hot day you can see if your tranny is getting too hot.

Also when you go to the track you can see when your trans is getting too hot and you can stop hot lapping and give the car a chance to cool down.

I'd rather have a tranny temp gauge then a torque gauge. If you're sitting in traffic in traffic on a hot day you can see if your tranny is getting too hot.

Also when you go to the track you can see when your trans is getting too hot and you can stop hot lapping and give the car a chance to cool down.

Is that really a problem? The only reason I ever overheated a tranny was because I used to back to back street race in my Grand National back when it was new. But that was hardly daily driver duty. And like I said, 90% of the Camaros on the road won't see track duty, or even street race duty. How about tire air temp gauge? Seems just as useful as a tranny temp gauge. :p

You know, as silly as it sounds, a tire pressure sensor would be pretty sweet. It would have to have 4 little needles in the guage, but w/ all these MPG worries, folks actually care about that (as they should).

Hopefully eventually there will be a boost gauge there:-) for my car. I could care less about transmission temp, I don't drive at the drag strip and I don't plan on towing a horse trailer with my Camaro. If GM is having a tough time filling the 4th spot lets get real creative. How about a chick detector? Or for the global warming nuts an CO2 emissions gauge?

Why so much hate for the torque gauge?

Maybe they could build in a scale in the driver's seat and that gauge could tell you how fat you are.

So then...all the threads and posts with negative remarks about it were possibly all for nothing now that some production facts are trickling out? Imagine that! :lol:

Hey, I am glad it is gone as well. :thumb:

You know, as silly as it sounds, a tire pressure sensor would be pretty sweet. It would have to have 4 little needles in the guage, but w/ all these MPG worries, folks actually care about that (as they should).

That should be on the Driver Information Center between the speedo and tach. It was on the cars we played with at the last focus group.

Why so much hate for the torque gauge?

Some saw is as more of a gimmick than something even cool or useful. Maybe nothing to hate anymore anyway.

The number 1 cause of transmission failure is overheating. It is a good idea.

So then...all the threads and posts with negative remarks about it were possibly all for nothing now that some production facts are trickling out? Imagine that! :lol:

Perhaps all the negative remarks led to this becoming a production fact... Either way, glad to see something a bit more beneficial in place. :yes:

Perhaps all the negative remarks led to this becoming a production fact...

Perhaps.

I can see the usefulness for a transmission temp gauge on an automatic, but for a manual slushbox? :no:

Replace mine with a "boost" gauge please... I'll need it to monitor the LSA. ;)

the manuals should get a differential temp gauge or something. it would atleast make more sense.

Why so much hate for the torque gauge?

I don't have an hour to explain. :yes:

Good move, IMHO. Useless, gimmicky stuff is....well....useless on a car like the Camaro, and actually detracts from its purpose, from my POV (which I realize is likely different from most buyers).

Will be interesting to see what the M6 has, as a tranny temp gauge is obviously OBE with a manual. I'd like to have an engine vacuum gauge, but most folks wouldn't know what good that would do either, so who knows. :)

Well that brings up the question, if you get the 6M, (like I plan on) will you still get the tranny temp guage? It would be nice to at least OFFER the torque gauge. And for those that hate it because it's gimmicky, what about the cool accent lighting on the dash? Hate that too? And the Halo headlights? Neither are "needed". They add custom touches to the car.

Glad its gone, I'd rather have a guage, something that was created to give me information, actually give me information.

As to the halos and accent lighting... halos provide warning and lighting (parking lights/driving lights) and the accent lighting.. accents.. with lighting... it has a purpose..

A torque gauge is something that doesn't even fulfill a purpose..

If you've ever looked at a dyno graph, especially of one with a modern engine with a flat torque curve, you'd see that it wouldn't behave anything like a tach.
Whoops, I meant to imply that it was just driven off a table from the dyno graph.

Well that brings up the question, if you get the 6M, (like I plan on) will you still get the tranny temp guage? It would be nice to at least OFFER the torque gauge. And for those that hate it because it's gimmicky, what about the cool accent lighting on the dash? Hate that too? And the Halo headlights? Neither are "needed". They add custom touches to the car.

Hate? No. Do without them? You bet - especially if it saved money and/or weight. But that's just me.

And if it comes from the factory....well....*custum* just doesn't apply, IMHO.

Bob

Well that brings up the question, if you get the 6M, (like I plan on) will you still get the tranny temp guage? Why not? Manuals can overheat as well.

Some people who race these cars participate in competitions that last much longer than 13 seconds. Some people who race these cars make many, many more than three shifts once an hour.


Hate? No. Do without them? You bet - especially if it saved money and/or weight. But that's just me.

And if it comes from the factory....well....*custum* just doesn't apply, IMHO.
Me too.
Mine too.

So then...all the threads and posts with negative remarks about it were possibly all for nothing now that some production facts are trickling out? Imagine that! :lol:

Hey, I am glad it is gone as well. :thumb:

I have to disagree to a point. Id argue that this is a good example of good feedback to a point making something better on the way to production. It may have been one of the things that pushed the decision. Its the difference between negative feedback here and someone getting in the car and saying yeah this is cool but what the hell is the torque gauge for? Transmission temp sensor seems more usable.

I have to disagree to a point. Id argue that this is a good example of good feedback to a point making something better on the way to production. It may have been one of the things that pushed the decision. Its the difference between negative feedback here and someone getting in the car and saying yeah this is cool but what the hell is the torque gauge for? Transmission temp sensor seems more usable.

Are you kidding? It can be used to track improvements without having to go to a dyno. You can also calculate hp from TQ.

Honestly I dont get you guys. If I were to choose I would have picked the TQ guage over a tranny temp sensor.

Has anyone addressed what, if anything, will replace this gauge?

Are you kidding? It can be used to track improvements without having to go to a dyno. You can also calculate hp from TQ.

Honestly I dont get you guys. If I were to choose I would have picked the TQ guage over a tranny temp sensor.

Are you kidding? Do you think the torque guage was based on anything other than the theoretical torque calculations used as a part of torque management? In other words, totally useless for anything but a stock engine, abd even there it's value is dubious.

And you really intended on staring down your torque guage conveniently mounted under the frckin radio while making a WOT blast in a 430hp car? Do you put on your lipstick while sitting in traffic on the way to work too?

Are you kidding? Do you think the torque guage was based on anything other than the theoretical torque calculations used as a part of torque management? In other words, totally useless for anything but a stock engine, abd even there it's value is dubious.

And you really intended on staring down your torque guage conveniently mounted under the frckin radio while making a WOT blast in a 430hp car? Do you put on your lipstick while sitting in traffic on the way to work too?

Hey, it would give my passengers something to watch while their heads are pinned to the headrest.

Are you kidding? It can be used to track improvements without having to go to a dyno. You can also calculate hp from TQ.

Assuming this torque gauge actually "worked" (meaning it was accurate), you'd also have to look at RPMs at a certain torque level to calculate HP. So what you're telling me is that you'd like to have one eyeball on your tach, one on your torque guage, and one hand on your calculator to figure all this stuff out -- while driving. :think:

Guys, this gauge was about as useful as this product:

http://www.sunamiturbo.com/sunamiturbo.html :lol:

Are you kidding? It can be used to track improvements without having to go to a dyno. You can also calculate hp from TQ.

Honestly I dont get you guys. If I were to choose I would have picked the TQ guage over a tranny temp sensor.

Not sure how you can calculate TQ from HP...

Not sure how you can calculate TQ from HP...

TQ = HP / rpm * 5252

Whoops, I meant to imply that it was just driven off a table from the dyno graph.

It couldn't be unless GM assumes that the car will always be driven at full throttle. I guess they could just measure the throttle opening as a % and multiply the max torque by that amount, but it would not be very accurate.

The ECM has a pretty good idea of its engine’s current output (based largely fuel use & RPM), why not use that (less estimated parasitic losses)?

Are you kidding? It can be used to track improvements without having to go to a dyno. You can also calculate hp from TQ.

Honestly I dont get you guys. If I were to choose I would have picked the TQ guage over a tranny temp sensor.

Have you seen the size of the gauge? There is no way you could track any change that didn't involve adding Nitrus or a blower. Assuming that a given mod even flowed through to the caclulations used to estimate torque, because some won't.

BTW: I think that the M6s will still get the torque gauge.