Camaro V-6 First Drive - C&D. Sounds pretty good!

Would I take a V-6 version over a Challenger? Definitely. A Mustang-I don't know... you could probably a get a GT for the price of a V-6 Camaro.


http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/corvette_camaro_corner/2010_chevrolet_camaro_v_6_first_drive_review/2010_chevrolet_camaro_v_6/checam_rtv6_10_10/1610610-1-eng-US/checam_rtv6_10_10_gallery_image_large.jpg

Attention, IROC-Z enthusiasts: the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro will not be available with your beloved T-top. If this is hugely disappointing, well, it may finally be time to put on a shirt with a collar, sell your Skynyrd CDs, and scissor the mullet.

In reviving the Camaro, Chevy is doing all it can to make the born-again car remind everyone of the sharp, cleanly styled 1967 original, rather than the more awkward later versions that seemed like accessories to tank-top wear and excesses in facial hair. This writer, the semi-proud owner of a 1995 Z28, knows intimately all the social assumptions that go with late-model Camaro ownership.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/corvette_camaro_corner/2010_chevrolet_camaro_v_6_first_drive_review?cid=2 73

Would I take a V-6 version over a Challenger? Definitely. A Mustang-I don't know... you could probably a get a GT for the price of a V-6 Camaro.



http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/corvette_camaro_corner/2010_chevrolet_camaro_v_6_first_drive_review?cid=2 73

did you see the Genesis coupe they had reviewed? wow. 310 hp v6, 35xx lbs. Good job Hyundai. Is both ford AND camaro v6's going to be out done by a Hyundai? lol

These are the kind of comments I expect to see a lot of:

"The ride quality of the Camaro doesn’t even rate a comparison with the lesser Mustang, and it makes the Challenger’s handling feel plodding."

I wonder if enough of these comments will prompt Ford to put an IRS in the Mustang sooner than later.

did you see the Genesis coupe they had reviewed? wow. 310 hp v6, 35xx lbs. Good job Hyundai. Is both ford AND camaro v6's going to be out done by a Hyundai? lol

Maybe, but damn, its still a Hyundai! I wouldn't be caught dead in it.

Maybe, but damn, its still a Hyundai! I wouldn't be caught dead in it.

I'm impressed with Hyundai coming out with 310 HP @ 3500 pounds, but you're right, I wouldn't be caught dead in one. Might be a nice option for someone looking at a WRX or EVO though who doesn't want all the fugliness that comes with either of those two. :o

The V6 Camaro sounds like a very nice all around car. I wonder how difficult it would be to remove 200 pounds of excess weight. :think: :)

Wow, I'm impressed...VERY positive comments from a "mainstream" mag....except for a few mullet references ;). Pretty nice pics too!

did you see the Genesis coupe they had reviewed? wow. 310 hp v6, 35xx lbs. Good job Hyundai. Is both ford AND camaro v6's going to be out done by a Hyundai? lol

Yeah, I read the article. Seemed like mostly a fluff piece, but it did sound interesting. But the Genesis has 2 things against it:

1) VERY uninspiring styling (in my opinion)

2) It IS a Hyundai. Don't get me wrong....hell, I did the research, decided on & helped my sister-in-law shop for & buy a Hyundai. For her needs a Hyundai Elantra was the PERFECT choice. But for me, unless it has a black horse on a yellow shield, I have NO INTEREST at all in foreign cars. I'll admit it, I'm narrow minded in my car choices....in my 25 years of driving I've had 2 Oldsmobiles, 1 Pontiac, & 9 Chevy's (nothing but GM if you didn't notice!).

I hate that big gold bowtie on the front... :no:

the article was only "ok" to me.

Things will get better with the V8's being tested though by the rags.. i just havent been much of a believer in what the "rag" writers say usually.. Wish more of America was that way.. if they were they'd all be driving AMERICAN Manufacturers instead of damn toyotas and hondas.

Maybe, but damn, its still a Hyundai! I wouldn't be caught dead in it.
actually, based on resale values, people think higher of Hyundai and what it gives them over Chevy (and a ton of other brands)


Resale values by brand Average percentage of original value retained after five years for 2007 models:
Year Make..................... Average Combined
2007 MINI..................... 59.5
2007 SCION.................. 57.88
2007 LAND ROVER.......... 56.29
2007 VOLKSWAGEN........ 55.56
2007 ACURA.................. 55.46
2007 BMW.................... 55.11
2007 HONDA................. 54.69
2007 PORSCHE............... 54.18
2007 LEXUS.................. 54.04
2007 INFINITI................ 52.96
2007 TOYOTA................ 52.24
2007 AUDI..................... 52.19
2007 SUBARU................. 52
2007 MERCEDES-BENZ..... 50.34
2007 SAAB.................... 49.14
2007 NISSAN................. 48.88
2007 HUMMER................ 48.83
2007 SATURN................. 48.68
2007 CADILLAC............... 48.6
2007 PONTIAC................ 46.93
2007 MAZDA.................. 46.74
2007 VOLVO.................. 46.6
2007 JEEP..................... 46.02
2007 HYUNDAI............... 45.03
2007 DODGE.................. 44.83
2007 MITSUBISHI........... 44.43
2007 FORD.................... 42.97
2007 CHEVY.................. 42.55
2007 LINCOLN................ 42.3
2007 BUICK................... 42.23
2007 GMC..................... 42.07
2007 MERCURY.............. 42.04
2007 JAGUAR................. 41.95
2007 CHRYSLER............. 41.75
2007 KIA...................... 37.53
2007 ISUZU.................. 37.25
2007 SUZUKI................. 36.83

Note: The average 5-year resale value for each make includes all models. The listing takes into consideration all vehicles, regardless of price, production volumes, performance, sales or number of vehicles in each brand's fleet.

Source: Kelley Blue Book and kbb.com.

did you see the Genesis coupe they had reviewed? wow. 310 hp v6, 35xx lbs. Good job Hyundai. Is both ford AND camaro v6's going to be out done by a Hyundai? lol

Since the V6 Genesis is supposed to start @ $33k I really don't think so. For the price point difference I would think you could probably get the Camaro down to pretty close to that weight

Since the V6 Genesis is supposed to start @ $33k I really don't think so. For the price point difference I would think you could probably get the Camaro down to pretty close to that weight

from the website:

"Expect the four-banger to start around $24–$25K and a six-cylinder model to command $28K or so..."

0 to 60 in 6.1 secs. and 1/4 mile in 14.5 @ 97 mph. That right on top of some 4th gen LT1s times. Impressive for the V6 and I hope comes in under 25K if the V8 is going to start at $29,995.

from the website:

"Expect the four-banger to start around $24–$25K and a six-cylinder model to command $28K or so..."

No way. They start @ 32,250 on the Hyundai website.

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/Genesis/trim/comparetrim.aspx

No way. They start @ 32,250 on the Hyundai website.

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/Genesis/trim/comparetrim.aspx

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

They're talking about the Genesis COUPE (not the official name), competition for the camaro and mustang. You've linked to the Hyundai Genesis pseudo-luxury full sized sedan...which weighs far more than 3500lbs.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

They're talking about the Genesis COUPE (not the official name), competition for the camaro and mustang. You've linked to the Hyundai Genesis pseudo-luxury full sized sedan...which weighs far more than 3500lbs.

Oh hell! Didn't know there was such an animal. :mad:

All I knew about was the luxury car that my cubemate here at work keeps talking about. :lol:

These are the kind of comments I expect to see a lot of:

"The ride quality of the Camaro doesn’t even rate a comparison with the lesser Mustang, and it makes the Challenger’s handling feel plodding."

I wonder if enough of these comments will prompt Ford to put an IRS in the Mustang sooner than later.

I doubt you'll ever see "doesn't even rate", I dont think a magazine could take the punishment dished out by the faithful and Ford itself. I doubt you'll see an IRS in the S-197 cars, might see it in the GWRD platform though. Ford is happy being where they are at and it will take alot more than Camaro and Challenger to get them to put an IRS in the car.

Wierd as it may seem to some people, Mustangs aren't built to satisfy magazine types, if the average Mustang guy likes a live axle, if the average car buyer doesn't give a damn where the power gets down or what keeps the gas tank from draging on the road, then Ford will continue with the live axle both to keep Mustang as the price leader and to make it profitable thats just what Mustang does and its worked for 45 years non-stop.

Notice the context...


"...although the Camaro is nearly as wide as the Dodge it doesn’t feel as big."

...

"Based on our early impressions, though, the Camaro outclasses its competitors on a few fronts. (Did you think it would one day be possible to see “Camaro” and “outclass” in the same sentence?) The ride quality of the Camaro doesn’t even rate a comparison with the lesser Mustang, and it makes the Challenger’s handling feel plodding."

...

Chevy is casting its new Camaro as a modernist sports coupe rather than a revisionist pony car, and their case holds water.

err wow, I guess they did (runs to get some pen and paper for the C&D hatemail)

Was looking for that line in the article, guess I'll have to re - read.

It always cracks me up when the magazines compare a V6 car to that of a top of the line V8 car and acts as if this is a reasonable comparison. In the real world we compare apples to apples so it is pretty easy to see that the V6 Camaro will be very competive with the Challanger and Mustang.

As far as the Hyundai is concerned are you guys serious? It is a freaking Hyundai.

As far as the Hyundai is concerned are you guys serious? It is a freaking Hyundai.

Word. Is there even a comparison?

And it's 310hp...at 6000rpm. :rolleyes: How impressive. Done specifically to get the attention of people who don't have a clue.

Hyundai is a **** car. Period. Modern-day Yugo.

It always cracks me up when the magazines compare a V6 car to that of a top of the line V8 car and acts as if this is a reasonable comparison. In the real world we compare apples to apples so it is pretty easy to see that the V6 Camaro will be very competive with the Challanger and Mustang.

As far as the Hyundai is concerned are you guys serious? It is a freaking Hyundai.

it was compared to the v8 because that's what the v6 camaro is aiming for is is reasonably close in what they will think the price will be.

and it wasn't "the top of the line" v8, that's the GT500.

Good article. I enjoyed the jabs at Camaro stereotypes.

I can see a pattern developing already in comparing the V6 Camaro to Mustang GT and Challenger RT because sure those cars have more V8 power but also cost quite a bit more and it makes the Camaro seem like a bargain. It also shows that as a car in ride, handling and content the Camaro is a better car. I'd expect the SS test to be very interesting.

Could Camaro V6 RS potentially get on C&D's 10 Best???

Word. Is there even a comparison?

And it's 310hp...at 6000rpm. :rolleyes: How impressive. Done specifically to get the attention of people who don't have a clue.

Hyundai is a **** car. Period. Modern-day Yugo.

That speaks volumes of what people think of Chevy when their value drops EVEN MORE than hyundai.


And as for the 310 hp @ 6000 rpm, have you even looked at the specs of the v6 camaro?? 300 hp @ 6400 rpm. Looks like you need to get a clue.

Could Camaro V6 RS potentially get on C&D's 10 Best???
i can see the base v6 sneaking in there, not so much the rs though.

:lol: You realize you will never win a "Hyundai could possibly be better" argument on a Camaro board, right?

I mean, I totally see your point, and numbers prove the fact that *certain* car brands have awful resale values year after year.

But you'll never get them to agree. I have as high or higher hopes for the Camaro as anyone on here, but I doubt it's going to be a super-car. It will be a lot of fun, but the base model won't be earth shattering awesome. Just like the days of 200hp V6's are mostly bygone, ~300hp out of a v6 is no longer a shocking number. Hyundai has figured it out. Hell, a couple of manufacturers (VW/Audi, and GM) are putting out turbo 4's with 270, and 260hp, respectively. But, we can hope that the Camaro is slightly better than its latest competition, or wins based on styling and heritage.

:p



actually, based on resale values, people think higher of Hyundai and what it gives them over Chevy (and a ton of other brands)


Resale values by brand Average percentage of original value retained after five years for 2007 models:
Year Make..................... Average Combined
2007 MINI..................... 59.5
2007 SCION.................. 57.88
2007 LAND ROVER.......... 56.29
2007 VOLKSWAGEN........ 55.56
2007 ACURA.................. 55.46
2007 BMW.................... 55.11
2007 HONDA................. 54.69
2007 PORSCHE............... 54.18
2007 LEXUS.................. 54.04
2007 INFINITI................ 52.96
2007 TOYOTA................ 52.24
2007 AUDI..................... 52.19
2007 SUBARU................. 52
2007 MERCEDES-BENZ..... 50.34
2007 SAAB.................... 49.14
2007 NISSAN................. 48.88
2007 HUMMER................ 48.83
2007 SATURN................. 48.68
2007 CADILLAC............... 48.6
2007 PONTIAC................ 46.93
2007 MAZDA.................. 46.74
2007 VOLVO.................. 46.6
2007 JEEP..................... 46.02
2007 HYUNDAI............... 45.03
2007 DODGE.................. 44.83
2007 MITSUBISHI........... 44.43
2007 FORD.................... 42.97
2007 CHEVY.................. 42.55
2007 LINCOLN................ 42.3
2007 BUICK................... 42.23
2007 GMC..................... 42.07
2007 MERCURY.............. 42.04
2007 JAGUAR................. 41.95
2007 CHRYSLER............. 41.75
2007 KIA...................... 37.53
2007 ISUZU.................. 37.25
2007 SUZUKI................. 36.83

Note: The average 5-year resale value for each make includes all models. The listing takes into consideration all vehicles, regardless of price, production volumes, performance, sales or number of vehicles in each brand's fleet.

Source: Kelley Blue Book and kbb.com.

And as for the 310 hp @ 6000 rpm, have you even looked at the specs of the v6 camaro?? 300 hp @ 6400 rpm. Looks like you need to get a clue.

I agree - I'm not a fan of the Camaro V6, either. It's just an inflated hp number to make people think they're getting V8 output from a V6. They're not.

(This is where somebody says, 'but compare this V6 to the V8 of 1995!' To which I respond: This is not 1995.)

So going by your little thing there, someone would rather be in a Hyundai Sonata then a Jag XF?
That someone would rather have a Honda Accord Coupe over a 911 Turbo?
VW Jetta vs a MB E350?
Scion xB over a Land Rover Range Rover Sport?

No. The Hyundai coupe is a cool looking sports car, but will talked about being a rip off of teh 350/G35, Honda Accord, and other Japanese coupes.
Camaro needs to get into the market that teh Gensis coupe is going into. Getting larger mass market attention.

I agree - I'm not a fan of the Camaro V6, either. It's just an inflated hp number to make people think they're getting V8 output from a V6. They're not.

(This is where somebody says, 'but compare this V6 to the V8 of 1995!' To which I respond: This is not 1995.)


ok, in that, i do agree with you. i mean, a previous generation manual transmission accord was running low 14's @ ~97.

I doubt you'll see an IRS in the S-197 cars, might see it in the GWRD platform though. Ford is happy being where they are at and it will take alot more than Camaro and Challenger to get them to put an IRS in the car.

I think that is so stupid though. I mean, the damn chassis was designed from the ground up for the IRS, so why not put it in it when all of your competition is?

I think Ford is happy where they are now with the Mustang. What I was trying to say is that it is very possible they could be less happy in the future if they don't keep up with their competition. Thats common sense. So the thought was, how many years of getting ridiculed for their stick axle (we will call this year one) will it take before they put the darn IRS in that the chassis was designed for. Now, I see your point about price, so that statement is based on their competition only being slightly more expensive (say $3k) and people thinking they are worth it.

I doubt you'll ever see "doesn't even rate", I dont think a magazine could take the punishment dished out by the faithful and Ford itself.

Looks like you might have to get used to it!

From MotorTrend:

"The Mustang can only dream of delivering handling at this level of performance and sophistication."

"Mustang? Nah. The new Camaro feels more akin to an American Infiniti G37. And remember: Thus far our driving has been limited to the base V-6 version."

...The V6 Camaro sounds like a very nice all around car. I wonder how difficult it would be to remove 200 pounds of excess weight. :think: :)

Tell your girlfriend to get out. :D

and they even loved the exhaust!


"The high-pitched exhaust note is decidedly non-musclecar; it almost says "Asian tuner car."

and they even loved the exhaust!


"The high-pitched exhaust note is decidedly non-musclecar; it almost says "Asian tuner car."

Is this a similar exhaust experience that the Disciples had? Seemed more meaty in the videos we saw.

and they even loved the exhaust!


"The high-pitched exhaust note is decidedly non-musclecar; it almost says "Asian tuner car."

Well, I don't think the exhaust is finalized, but what are you expecting from a high reving V6? It isn't going to sound like a V8 and it shouldn't. I think sounding like a high-end tuner car such as the G37 is not a bad thing at all.

Tell your girlfriend to get out. :D

Dayum! :lol::o

Well, I don't think the exhaust is finalized, but what are you expecting from a high reving V6? It isn't going to sound like a V8 and it shouldn't. I think sounding like a high-end tuner car such as the G37 is not a bad thing at all.

most people don't like that sound. personally, it doesn't bother me at all.

most people don't like that sound. personally, it doesn't bother me at all.

I'm with you. I think V6s that try to be throaty with rumble just come of sounding more like a shallow "pop, pop" and it just doesn't work. The more high pitched, pseudo exotic sound is better in my opinion.