SS to sneak in under $30K

2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS Revealed by...Fergie?
Date posted: 08-21-2008

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DETROIT — From the department of WTF comes the release of the first official image of the 2010 Camaro SS. The reveal, such as it is, comes in an advertising photo spread Chevy has produced with New York magazine publishing giant, Conde Nast.

The advertisement is part of Conde Nast's free supplement Fashion Rocks — which we suppose explains why singer Fergie is photographed beside the car.

In Chevy-speak, the SS means a Camaro powered by the (estimated) 422 horsepower 6.2-liter V8. And, while it doesn't look much different than the V6 RS models that the company has released photos of, there are some telltale differences. The mail-slot air intake on the top of the deeper front fascia is a full production piece. This is to say nothing of the "SS" badge in the grille. Also, the big front brake rotors are the 14-inchers carrying big Brembo calipers. There's not enough detail in the photograph to tell, but the calipers will carry both the Brembo and Chevrolet names.

The Camaro SS will go on sale in mid-March 2009 — the same time as the V6 models. The V6 cars will start in the low $20Ks and the SS will sneak in under the $30,000 mark.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=131010

Not too suprising to me given the price of the G8 GT starting under 30K but I know there are a few pessimist around here who were thinking 35-40K. Lets hope this holds true.

whats a mustang gt go for?


for 30k i might be tempted......

I think my buddy paid $27K for his GT....

So how is Edmunds privy to pricing information that, in all likelihood, GM doesn't even have yet.

However, if this is true, this car will dominate the Mustang and Challenger.

GM has been saying that the Camaro will be priced very closely to the Mustang, but at a premium. I would expect the SS to start below $30K and a fully loaded one to come in in the high $30K range.

This doesn't surprise me at all. I've said all along I think the SS will be under $30k.

It will be well over 30K when the Stealer's mark em up.

It will be well over 30K when the Stealer's mark em up.

There's a simple remedy to that. Don't pay it. Shop at a dealership that doesn't play these games.

There's a simple remedy to that. Don't pay it. Shop at a dealership that doesn't play these games.

In south Florida where I live they all play that crap. I'll have to find a reputable dealer if there are any left and order mines from them.

Great under 30k for the people that want an SS with no options I am sure the SS like I want and most other LOADED! will be closer to 35. Which is fine with me I will gladly pay that I am just saying that it will start under 30k.

I get the sense that under $30K is the 'magic number'. Even if that turns out to be $29,995.

Do you guys think the SS is equivalent to the Mustang GT and the SS/RS to the Mustang GT Premium? I would like to think so. If this is true an SS/RS with a good selection of options can cost 30K and this means I will be a happy SS/RS owner. I might add 1-2K for the “premium” position of the Camaro but near or over 35K NEVER and it will destroy the Camaro in sales.

If you build a 2009 Ford GT premium and you add, the better stereo, better wheels as the standard premium wheels are 17", the apperance package, and the HID headlights + 122 less horsepower this vehicle still stickers for 33,445 without navigation so I don't see how 35 for a completly loaded camaro with more horsepower is out of the question!!!.

Oh wait I did not ad the glass roof or the heated seats if you want those on your POS Ford that makes it 36,015 MSRP.:eek:

I get the sence that under $30K is the 'magic number'. Even if that turns out to be $29,995.

Yep.

I can see the SS at $29,995 (same price as a Dodge Challenger R/T).

I can also see the 2010 Mustang GT holding steady at the 2009's $26,425.

At a $4,500 price difference, the customer will probably have actually have to think before buying.

Yep.

I can see the SS at $29,995 (same price as a Dodge Challenger R/T).

I can also see the 2010 Mustang GT holding steady at the 2009's $26,425.

At a $4,500 price difference, the customer will probably have actually have to think before buying.and buy the mustang...........


till the rebates show up.......

Yep.
I can see the SS at $29,995 (same price as a Dodge Challenger R/T).
I can also see the 2010 Mustang GT holding steady at the 2009's $26,425.
At a $4,500 price difference, the customer will probably have actually have to think before buying.

According to KBB the base 2009 "deluxe coupe" Mustang GT stickers at $27,570
http://www.kbb.com/kbb/NewCars/PricingReport/2009_Ford_Mustang_Coupe_235074.aspx
$2400 more for a car with a ton more content is not that unreasonable.
(Although I was hoping for $28,500 for a base sticker price....)

BUT, my local high volume dealer is offering huge discounts on Mustangs right now.... $500 over invoice on all '08's making the same GT Deluxe coupe $25,500 plus the Ford $1500 rebate in the norteast region. $24,000 for a new GT.... You're right, that might make people stop and think a little.

According to KBB the base 2009 "deluxe coupe" Mustang GT stickers at $27,570
http://www.kbb.com/kbb/NewCars/PricingReport/2009_Ford_Mustang_Coupe_235074.aspx
$2400 more for a car with a ton more content is not that unreasonable.
(Although I was hoping for $28,500 for a base sticker price....)

BUT, my local high volume dealer is offering huge discounts on Mustangs right now.... $500 over invoice on all '08's making the same GT Deluxe coupe $25,500 plus the Ford $1500 rebate in the norteast region. $24,000 for a new GT.... You're right, that might make people stop and think a little.

Correct...BUT... Fords site has the base deluxe GT at $26,775.00, THEN you add the destination charge to up it to $27,570.00 ($795.00 destination charge)

Even if the MSRP starts at $29,995.00 for the ss.. you gotta add that dest charge.. bam over 30k.

Much as it may have more content standard if the ss starts at that price I'm going to start looking at used vettes. Just the base for me with ttl is going to put me at or over my total budget of 32k.

The SS for under 30K is where is needs to be and it looks like it may well be.
Very good news!!!! :)

I get the sence that under $30K is the 'magic number'. Even if that turns out to be $29,995.

I smell G8/Solstice pricing. It'll debut at $29,995 so Chevy can claim the title of "most powerful car under $30,000"....for oh, about three months. :lol:

Solstice was the coolest car under $20,000 (at $19,995), I seem to recall that also only lasting a few months.

Dedpends on how the ss is contented. it might be closer to the content that is in the GT premium instead of the delux. With supplier pricing I paid 26k out the door on a 32k sticker.

The pontiac solstice at 19,995 also had no A/C

Yep.

I can see the SS at $29,995 (same price as a Dodge Challenger R/T).

I can also see the 2010 Mustang GT holding steady at the 2009's $26,425.

At a $4,500 price difference, the customer will probably have actually have to think before buying.

If the customer sees a $4500 difference he needs to rethink his math before buying too.

Lol. Seriously though, the mustang will have a lot of monetary incentives that the Camaro will not have since it's in the release year.

08 Mustang GTs are going for $8000 off here in the Detroit area. I got my Bullitt for $4700 off in April when it was a hot item.

08 Mustang GTs are going for $8000 off here in the Detroit area. I got my Bullitt for $4700 off in April when it was a hot item.
18k for a new GT?

The problem with this discussion is that we're boiling it down to a numbers game - and buying a car isn't just about the numbers.

Some people will want the Camaro more than Mustang because it's a Camaro, or because of how the car looks, or because they like the interior better, or because the Camaro gets better mileage (assuming it does) or because of any number of other things. Depending on what criteria a person has, Ford may not be able to throw any amount of money at them to get them from a Camaro to a Mustang. For those that can be swayed by money, you can bet Ford will use tons of incentives. But with these cars, the majority of sales won't come from those who are unmoved beyond money by the car.

Dedpends on how the ss is contented. it might be closer to the content that is in the GT premium instead of the delux. With supplier pricing I paid 26k out the door on a 32k sticker.

I think that is a key point. I think/hope the SS will be equal to or better than the Mustang GT premium in terms of content, all while offering things the Mustang simply cannot. Things like IRS, 422hp, Brembo brakes, larger wheels, hopefully better fuel economy, etc. That is where the extra few thousand are justified.

I think that is a key point. I think/hope the SS will be equal to or better than the Mustang GT premium in terms of content, all while offering things the Mustang simply cannot. Things like IRS, 422hp, Brembo brakes, larger wheels, hopefully better fuel economy, etc. That is where the extra few thousand are justified.

Bingo!

I might have enough left over to have mine repainted Lemans Blue like I originally wanted. Thanks Chevy, way to lay an egg when it came to colors, nice looking car though.

Why would this pic come out with Fergie!!! That car wants to crush her and be the main focus soo bad! Could have at least picked someone better looking than Fuglie, like Carmen Electra and maybe had her along side of it.

The '02 SS's went for over $30K. How can a better car 7-8 years later go for less? Doesn't make sense. I'll be VERY surprised (pleasantly) if the SS is under $30K. I expect mid to upper 30s.

The '02 SS's went for over $30K. How can a better car 7-8 years later go for less? Doesn't make sense. I'll be VERY surprised (pleasantly) if the SS is under $30K. I expect mid to upper 30s.

I'm not going to predict price, but just remember that the 4th generation SS was done by an outside contractor to completely finished Z28's. Lots of parts that were on the assembled car were removed and replaced by upgrade SS parts. That has a cost.The 5th generation SS will roll of the line, and into the showroom with no further cost applied to upgrades. This prevents a direct comparison of 4th gen to 5th gen SS. Surely, building it in house will be less expensive than done previously; monetary adjustments for inflation not withstanding.

Bob

Today's SS is yesterday's Z28...

It will be well over 30K when the Stealer's mark em up.

:yes:

I'm not going to predict price, but just remember that the 4th generation SS was done by an outside contractor to completely finished Z28's. Lots of parts that were on the assembled car were removed and replaced by upgrade SS parts. That has a cost.The 5th generation SS will roll of the line, and into the showroom with no further cost applied to upgrades. This prevents a direct comparison of 4th gen to 5th gen SS. Surely, building it in house will be less expensive than done previously; monetary adjustments for inflation not withstanding.

Bob

Hmmm..... I could have sworn SLP did the early SS and Firehawks. Chevy did the last few years in house???

And yes, some of the SS and Trans ams stickered for 39 to 40k.

Why would this pic come out with Fergie!!! That car wants to crush her and be the main focus soo bad! Could have at least picked someone better looking than Fuglie, like Carmen Electra and maybe had her along side of it.

because fergie is actually relevant right now, carmen electra isn't. it's not that hard to figure out.

Hmmm..... I could have sworn SLP did the early SS and Firehawks. Chevy did the last few years in house???

And yes, some of the SS and Trans ams stickered for 39 to 40k.

I thought that SLP did all of the Camaro SSs and I know they did all the Firehawks. SLP did the WS6 to start with then Pontiac moved some of the WS6 modifications in-house on the later models and subsequently outsourced the body mods to ASC.

The '02 SS's went for over $30K. How can a better car 7-8 years later go for less? Doesn't make sense. I'll be VERY surprised (pleasantly) if the SS is under $30K. I expect mid to upper 30s.

Today's SS is yesterday's Z28...

If you want to do apples to apples, you have to compare a 5th gen SS to a 4th gen Z28.

What is so surprising about an SS comin in under $30,000? The G8 right now is coming in at $29,995 or so with a V8 and it is the same architecture. If anything, a G8 is a higher contented car than a base Camaro with a V8 too.

-Geoff

If you want to do apples to apples, you have to compare a 5th gen SS to a 4th gen Z28.

What is so surprising about an SS comin in under $30,000? The G8 right now is coming in at $29,995 or so with a V8 and it is the same architecture. If anything, a G8 is a higher contented car than a base Camaro with a V8 too.

-Geoff
what more content does it contain?

I thought that SLP did all of the Camaro SSs and I know they did all the Firehawks. SLP did the WS6 to start with then Pontiac moved some of the WS6 modifications in-house on the later models and subsequently outsourced the body mods to ASC.

SS came from the factory. SLP took some, not all, and added an airbox and a few other things and put their label on. But you could get a non-SLP SS. The price wasn't that much different.

I believe the 96-97 Z28SS's were from SLP only and GM brought the program in house in 1998. Firehawk was always an SLP only option. But WS6 was a GM program. I'm not saying SLP didn't support the projects in 98-02 but they we're not an SLP order only. That is unless you decided to add options like chrome wheels, SS grille and floormats etc. then those were extra SLP options on your GM SS package in the LS1 years.

In regards to pricing. I was hoping the Camaro SS in 2010 would be $27-28K to start as it needs to be in line with the Mustang although I'd understand it being priced slightly higher. We have to get over the SS and it's relation to the 4th Gen as now it's the base model V8 Camaro. The same base Z28 in the 4th Gen could be had for almost par for a Mustang GT depending on options.
IF this car just slides in at $29,999 then it's obvious that GM has moved the V8 price up to a premium level over the Mustang. I'm not sure if that's a good move.

what more content does it contain?

Go look at some G8's. Camaro has multiple interior trim levels and an RS package. They have all that stuff baked in on the G8. If you get a Base V8 Camaro they will probably come in under $30k. I would bet you will be able to spend up to $40K, though, and get all the bells and whistles.

Why is this such a hard concept for people to fathom?

-Geoff

I know why the SS is a tick under 30k, it will be marketed as the most powerful V8 car (or the only V8 car to offer 422hp) under 30k.

Go look at some G8's. Camaro has multiple interior trim levels and an RS package. They have all that stuff baked in on the G8. If you get a Base V8 Camaro they will probably come in under $30k. I would bet you will be able to spend up to $40K, though, and get all the bells and whistles.

Why is this such a hard concept for people to fathom?

-Geoff

so what more "content" does the G8 have exactly? i missed that part of your post.

I believe the 96-97 Z28SS's were from SLP only and GM brought the program in house in 1998. Firehawk was always an SLP only option. But WS6 was a GM program. I'm not saying SLP didn't support the projects in 98-02 but they we're not an SLP order only.

I know that WS6 was a GM program but I could swear that SLP did the actual conversions at least for 1996 and 1997.

so what more "content" does the G8 have exactly? i missed that part of your post.

How about 2 more doors?

How about 2 more doors?

HAHAHA try again. :lol:

HAHAHA try again. :lol:

Oh I know, non functional hood scoops? D'OH!:D

so what more "content" does the G8 have exactly? i missed that part of your post.

You must not have read my post at all then. How many interior trim levels on a G8? I will try to go through this real slow since you are a mustang guy.

-Geoff

How about 2 more doors?

Actually, that is definitely a content increase. If you have two interiors - one with two doors and one with four, which one is cheaper to build? The individual parts might be slightly less because of raw material cost, but it is double the labor to assemble and double the tooling cost.

Is the content concept starting to make sense yet?

-Geoff

Actually, that is definitely a content increase. If you have two interiors - one with two doors and one with four, which one is cheaper to build? The individual parts might be slightly less because of raw material cost, but it is double the labor to assemble and double the tooling cost.

Is the content concept starting to make sense yet?

-Geoff
using the civic as an example, the cost of adding two doors is ~$430. Where's the rest of it? At this point, the Camaro has higher "content", using a premium engine and transmission that will be $35-38k in the GXP among other things.


the G8 GT isn't under 30k starting.

again, what "higher content" does the G8 GT have that warrants it to cost MORE than the Camaro SS?

using the civic as an example, the cost of adding two doors is ~$430. Where's the rest of it? At this point, the Camaro has higher "content", using a premium engine and transmission that will be $35-38k in the GXP among other things.


the G8 GT isn't under 30k starting.

again, what "higher content" does the G8 GT have that warrants it to cost MORE than the Camaro SS?

Th point regarding assembly time/cost and tooling cost is valid. I see your point about the LS3, but the transmission in the G8 GT and SS are the same, also shared with the STS-V and Corvette. Similarly, the LS3 is shared with the Corvette and will be in the GXP, so that helps.

However, the biggest thing on the Camaro's side compared to the G8 is VOLUME!!!!

The G8 isnt under $30k starting??? Someone forgot to tell Pontiac.

http://www.pontiac.com/g8/build-your-own/

Even fully optioned, its still cheaper than a fully optioned Mustang GT.

Holy crap! Everyone talks about the Mustang GT in terms of base prices, which we alway seam to round down, like we say $28k for a GT Premium, which is actually $29,520 after destination. Have any of you actually gone to Fords website and built one of these things?!?!

http://www83.forddirect.fordvehicles.com/Dispatch.jsp?.CurrentState=ConfigTrimSelectFlash

I just built mine, which is moderately loaded and does NOT include the Bullitt package or California Special, nor the glass roof option, nor navigation. I also did NOT add any accessories. My 300hp Mustang GT came out to a cost of $34,415 with a manual transmission.:eek:

Adding an automatic, navigation and the glass roof brought the price to $37,755:eek::eek::eek:

I had no idea the Mustang GT could get that expensive.

using the civic as an example, the cost of adding two doors is ~$430. Where's the rest of it? At this point, the Camaro has higher "content", using a premium engine and transmission that will be $35-38k in the GXP among other things.

Wow, you are just in left field now. If you have two cars that are basically the same, except one has two foors and one has four, the two door costs less to build. That is my point about content. You know the cars both have basically the same powertrain, right?

the G8 GT isn't under 30k starting.
Wrong. Just plain wrong. Go to the Pontiac Website and build your own. Base G8 is 29,995 with the V8.

again, what "higher content" does the G8 GT have that warrants it to cost MORE than the Camaro SS?
Doors.

If I didn't know better, I would think you are just trying to start an argument at this point.

-Geoff

FYI, on the site http://truedelta.com, they have a price comparison feature which accounts for different features and options.

The Mustang GT Premium seems to come in a couple grand under the G8 GT, but the G8 has a bunch of things the Mustang doesn't (side curtain airbags, climate control, stability control, tilt/telescope). Net those, its about a wash.

Actually, that is definitely a content increase. If you have two interiors - one with two doors and one with four, which one is cheaper to build? The individual parts might be slightly less because of raw material cost, but it is double the labor to assemble and double the tooling cost.

Is the content concept starting to make sense yet?

-Geoff

oh really kinda like the price difference between the Charger SRT and Challenger SRT?
The 2-door Challenger actualy costs $105 MORE MSRP! whaaaaaaaaat?!?!there goes your theory

Wow, you are just in left field now. If you have two cars that are basically the same, except one has two foors and one has four, the two door costs less to build. That is my point about content. You know the cars both have basically the same powertrain, right?


Wrong. Just plain wrong. Go to the Pontiac Website and build your own. Base G8 is 29,995 with the V8.


Doors.

If I didn't know better, I would think you are just trying to start an argument at this point.

-Geoff

Earth to WhiteHawk, you do know that pricing was for the last model year, right? :lol: In the car world, it's '09 now. The '09s have rolled out.

And the Camaro does have more content. It has those cool little gauges, some neato 20' wheels, wider tires, an LS3 engine, 40-60 hp more (which is actually MORE powerfull than the G8's PREMIUM engine) some interior mood lighting, much MUCH larger brakes (which the rears are actually LARGER than the G8's PREMIUM model) and a supposed stronger rear end (mag article said it was an 8.5 while the G8's is an 8.3). But I guess either that's all free, or G8 owners are getting torn a new one by GM.

Holy crap! Everyone talks about the Mustang GT in terms of base prices, which we alway seam to round down, like we say $28k for a GT Premium, which is actually $29,520 after destination. Have any of you actually gone to Fords website and built one of these things?!?!

http://www83.forddirect.fordvehicles.com/Dispatch.jsp?.CurrentState=ConfigTrimSelectFlash

I just built mine, which is moderately loaded and does NOT include the Bullitt package or California Special, nor the glass roof option, nor navigation. I also did NOT add any accessories. My 300hp Mustang GT came out to a cost of $34,415 with a manual transmission.:eek:

Adding an automatic, navigation and the glass roof brought the price to $37,755:eek::eek::eek:

I had no idea the Mustang GT could get that expensive.


Bud, read back to my post to which you replied.......that was my point

oh really kinda like the price difference between the Charger SRT and Challenger SRT?
The 2-door Challenger actualy costs $105 MORE MSRP! whaaaaaaaaat?!?!there goes your theory

Cheaper to build doesn't mean they always pass it along. I think $30,000 is a price target GM wants to be under, and I think they will pass it along and meet that target. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Back a few pages, this thread was about about the Camaro coming in under $30k. I still think it can, and I say that because a base G8 with a V8 comes in at $29,995.

-Geoff

using the civic as an example, the cost of adding two doors is ~$430. Where's the rest of it? At this point, the Camaro has higher "content", using a premium engine and transmission that will be $35-38k in the GXP among other things.


the G8 GT isn't under 30k starting.

again, what "higher content" does the G8 GT have that warrants it to cost MORE than the Camaro SS?

ACTUALLY i was looking at the MSRP's and the 4 door Civic LX costs $200 more than the 2-door and the EX version of the 4 door costs only $9 more then the 2door version..........

Cheaper to build doesn't mean they always pass it along. I think $30,000 is a price target GM wants to be under, and I think they will pass it along and meet that target. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Back a few pages, this thread was about about the Camaro coming in under $30k. I still think it can, and I say that because a base G8 with a V8 comes in at $29,995.

-Geoff

it would indeed suit GM more if the camaro SS did indeed come in under 30K (which is still more than traditional camaro owners would like to pay for a base model V8 car) but looking at whats available out there, it wouldnt surprise me if it "missed the mark" by a bit. Maybe by about 10% .
BTW for 2009 the base G8 GT is almost $1000 MORE sitting at $30,675

Earth to WhiteHawk, you do know that pricing was for the last model year, right? :lol: In the car world, it's '09 now. The '09s have rolled out.

And the Camaro does have more content. It has those cool little gauges, some neato 20' wheels, wider tires, an LS3 engine, 40-60 hp more (which is actually MORE powerfull than the G8's PREMIUM engine) some interior mood lighting, much MUCH larger brakes (which the rears are actually LARGER than the G8's PREMIUM model) and a supposed stronger rear end (mag article said it was an 8.5 while the G8's is an 8.3). But I guess either that's all free, or G8 owners are getting torn a new one by GM.

Wow, if you don't know the difference between standard and optional content, then I now understand your inability to wrap your mind around what I am saying.

What I see here is a mustang guy, just PRAYING that he can find something to comlpain about with a new Camaro. Good luck, I am not going to waste the keystrokes trying to educate you anymore. I might make fun of you some more, but no more car lessons.

-Geoff

it would indeed suit GM more if the camaro SS did indeed come in under 30K (which is still more than traditional camaro owners would like to pay for a base model V8 car) but looking at whats available out there, it wouldnt surprise me if it "missed the mark" by a bit. Maybe by about 10% .

Like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think there will be an SS under $30k. It will have base wheels, no trick gauges, no RS package, no sunroof, and cloth seats, but it will blow the doors of a stock Mustang GT that costs the same. That is my prediction.

-Geoff

Wow, if you don't know the difference between standard and optional content, then I now understand your inability to wrap your mind around what I am saying.

What I see here is a mustang guy, just PRAYING that he can find something to comlpain about with a new Camaro. Good luck, I am not going to waste the keystrokes trying to educate you anymore. I might make fun of you some more, but no more car lessons.

-Geoff

but does that mean youre not gonna tell him what MORE content the G8 GT has to offer than the camaro SS?

BTW the base G8 GT (with MUCH less under the hood, less braking power,smaller wheels among other things than the Camaro SS) comes in at $31,360 MSRP w/destination charges

ACTUALLY i was looking at the MSRP's and the 4 door Civic LX costs $200 more than the 2-door and the EX version of the 4 door costs only $9 more then the 2door version..........

i was going off (faulty) memory. GOOD FIND!! :metal:

Wow, if you don't know the difference between standard and optional content, then I now understand your inability to wrap your mind around what I am saying.

What I see here is a mustang guy, just PRAYING that he can find something to comlpain about with a new Camaro. Good luck, I am not going to waste the keystrokes trying to educate you anymore. I might make fun of you some more, but no more car lessons.

-Geoff

what did i list off that was 'optional'? i still see more "content" in the SS than the cheaper, slower G8 GT.

How about 2 more doors?

Big strike right there against the G8...

That's great news. Just give me a manual tranny, A/C, cloth seats and a CD player.