My Ultimate build

Some of you may know about my future financial status, some of you may not. Reguardless, im starting to plan out my "Ultimate" build. It will be based on a 96SS Impy. i chose an Impala (was gonna go with a 86-88 monte SS but its not big enough) becasue it a full frame car that can handle crazy power, it handles extremely well for a big car, its roomy and well, cuz there bad@ss..

It HAS to be able to go to the strip change the tires, adjust the suspension and run great times, change around the suspension settings and go run on a road course smacking around everything there and then put it back to "street" trim and sit and idle in rush hour traffic on the way home, or cruise all afternoon at 80mph.


For power im looking for a big inch LSX based twin turbo fuel injected motor that will make 1,500 ponies set on "KILL" and around 900-1000 for the guys that are feeling frisky at a light or hiway. id prefer a smallblock due to packaging and the heat from the turbos hindering its ability to sit in stop and go traffic. Ill use adjustable wastegates to control the power through boost with hopefully 3 settings. "Normal" will be with the wastegates fully open to basically run "on motor" . "Woah" will be at the 900-1000hp mark, what ever amount of boost will produce this power level. "KILL" will be with max boost to produce around 1,500 ponies again depending on the turbo and engine size, aswell as boost

I need your help to figure what kinda engine package im going to run. Like i said id prefer a big inch small block, hopefully around 500 cubes. If thats not big enough for what i want i can go big block. Im looking for help deciding combuination. Cam profiles, Head size and type (was thinking those arao 32v's would be INSANE on a turbo motor) , port design and angle are what im looking for help on. Aswell as turbo size, intercooler size and all that jazz.

Once i figure out what i need to do with this, i will be getting help with stuff, this will be my first major build and i dont want to make any mistakes or cost me any more moeny then it has to (dont worry my wife knows itll be 100k:eek:)..This car will be able to do everything equally excellent. and no exspense will be spared to acheive this difficult goal.




Thanks for your help guys and this will be an intresting and difficult build for me and i want input from guys who have been there.

Ever come into a thread about a build and have some craz idea that may work, well spout if off lets hear some ideas

Building an LT1?

Everything has probably been covered, 50 times.

:lol:

you have no idea, 1500 h.p. in a tug boat car.........she will be in the ditch or around a tree before you get to the track.


I would just build a little 400 h.p. motor and see how you like that first. and If I was going to spend an unlimited amount of money I sure as hell wouldn't put it in an impala.

well I see why noone replied to it now.....

Good luck with the project.

well I see why noone replied to it now.....

Good luck with the project.


Meaning?..

i never posted in there for the reason that have been said..if you werent in the "crowd" noone cared what you said. Ive learned a lot in the years ive been here and i want to put it to use..i know theres some smart guys here still and i was hoping i could get some insight

I gotta agree with mdacton, 1500 hp is a **** ton of power. I would think you would want to try something milder first to get used to the power.

Meaning?..

i never posted in there for the reason that have been said..if you werent in the "crowd" noone cared what you said. Ive learned a lot in the years ive been here and i want to put it to use..i know theres some smart guys here still and i was hoping i could get some insight

I mean your asking a very basic question........

You need alot more basic knowledge before you just ask b/c noone will answer.

Also how much power have you had before?

you can't just jump behind 1500 h.p. you can't just jump behind 5-600 h.p.

Didn't mean it in a bad way......Its just a vauge question, now if you had asked a specific question about the engine or a part etc. you will get answers. But a "how can I make 1500 h.p.?" no cigar

There isn't anyone on this site that makes that much power. A damn pro stock don't make that much power

:lol: I find this thread amusing. Guy doesn't even realize what 1500hp will do on slicks and a track much less 1000hp on street tires at a light. Save your $$ man and build a street car or a drag car and don't waste the $$ on an impala. 100k would be better invested elsewhere I just sold a blown 383 making just over 500 off the bottle and over 650 on the bottle. It was a PITA to drive on the street and in all honesty it was not fun to drive anymore. Do more research and build a drag car if you want but build something capable of holding the power you plan to put to it.

Go down to Chevy Dealer, Buy 2008 Z06.. Call Vortech, Order Supercharger.. Enjoy life...

Seriously man, thats once EXPENSIVE project.. 1,500 HP????? How did you come up with that number?

1500hp in a street driven impala..:lol::lol: when you wrap it around a tree take a pic and be sure to post it here.

1,500 hp?

You better have about...$75,000 if not $100,000

I forgot to add that no matter how well you build that engine and how expensive the parts are that you put in it. It will need to be tore down and rebuilt very often.

1,500 hp?

You better have about...$75,000 if not $100,000


from the advanced tech thread:

this will be my first major build and i dont want to make any mistakes or cost me any more moeny then it has to (dont worry my wife knows itll be 100k)..

I forgot to add that no matter how well you build that engine and how expensive the parts are that you put in it. It will need to be tore down and rebuilt very often.

I have quite a few friends at the 1000h.p. mark and they have to tear them apart after every race most of the time just b/c you can't risk a small problem taking out a 80k motor.

We have one guy witha 632 we did with a 850 hit on it runs in the 7's........We have pulled it out after every event this year. Its a huge pita, I think the guy just wants a 540 with a 300 hit on it for next year b/c this thing is such a hassle. He might be making 1200 or so....I don't know, at orlando world street he was in heavy@ 3500# and went 182mph.

There is at least one TT LSx b-body build underway which I think comes close to your wishes. Best thing you can do is wait for it to be done then contact the guy and find out what he would do the same and maybe more importantly do differently. The guy would not want me to post his name but once it is done the cat will be out of the bag, and he is someone I trust to be able to admit his mistakes, not a lot of guys can.

I do however agree with the above posts that you have no idea what you are looking to get into, half that power is going to be hard to control on the street on slicks. A 400rwhp car even a heavy one in average weather will run low 12s without a "drag" suspension setup. I run handling shocks on my car and manage to run 11s in good weather with something around 400rwhp after a 150 mile drive to the track.

Point being you really do not need a rediculous amount of power to ET well.

Can you imagine cooling a 1000 hp engine on a daily drive and 40+ sec stops at red lights? Not gonna happen. That thing might make it 2 miles before it melts some rings.

Can you imagine cooling a 1000 hp engine on a daily drive and 40+ sec stops at red lights? Not gonna happen. That thing might make it 2 miles before it melts some rings.

if that.....then put a turbo on it too...:lol:

I will say going to alky, I have seen a car run without water at 15:1 and 45 of timing and it was cool enough to put your hand on after. My 383 will get up to 210 after a pass.....that with fans and water wide open from the time it starts.

You ready to throw down some serious cash? All the best parts and precise machine work with some big twins will get you there.

Aside from the motor, you need a purpose built chassis & drivetrain if you ever hope to get that power to the ground. And I'm only talking about a drag car - road-racing that thing would just be stupid and pointless.


Wait....you want to drive this thing on the street too??? I think you need to set some more realistic goals for something that will be street driven.

Yea mine used to get warm too. I carried a box fan with me to the track and ran a drop cord to a small generator and would open the hood after a run and let the fan cool the engine. I hit it with a 250 single stage shot the last time I went to the track and it got very warm. I would say in the 240 range. I then pulled the engine and sold it. :lol:

Yea paper thin cylinder walls + excessive heat from turbos + no efficient cooling system that can handle 1500hp = Kaboooom

Wouldn't you fill a 1500hp block anyway?

Wouldn't you fill a 1500hp block anyway?

I wouldn't know......

not a big deal with a dart block and thats mostly all I ever see when I do anything at the shop. Or a ford eliminator or the aluminum one. There is a 814 being finished up going in a brand new jerry bickel first gen mustang 2200# so it should see 200+ easy and go 6's. Guy also has a 770 to test with. Its a sheet intake with split dominators etc. etc. 100k motor

this thread is making me want to build another 383. :(

Look up Project F-Bomb and the motor built by Nelson Racing Engines. I wouldn't use an Impy to do it, but other than that, taking a 454 LSX block and throwing twins on it shouldn't be a problem considering you are looking to spend $100K. There are plenty of reputable shops that will be glad to take your money. You say just out of D-Town, is that Dallas, Detroit, Denver, etc?

I mean your asking a very basic question........

You need alot more basic knowledge before you just ask b/c noone will answer.

Also how much power have you had before?

you can't just jump behind 1500 h.p. you can't just jump behind 5-600 h.p.

Didn't mean it in a bad way......Its just a vauge question, now if you had asked a specific question about the engine or a part etc. you will get answers. But a "how can I make 1500 h.p.?" no cigar

There isn't anyone on this site that makes that much power. A damn pro stock don't make that much power


i understand what your saying. When i read posts about people building stuff i see other say all the time "what are your goals" "what do you want to do with it" "how much money you have" i have gone over that in my head and have answerd those questions in my thread. i read threads over at www.digitalcorvettes.com. theres guys over there that are making 1000+ in daily drivers. theres a guy right now building (2 actaully) a LS based motor witha dart block. he going for 1,200 hp with a turbo going to spin 8 grand and last 100,000 miles..dont beleive me? heres the link http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96631&highlight=DART
My GTA had about 450 at the crank and another 150 on juice so i can handle power, it took me a few runs to get used to it but im confident in my ability not to stomp in through the floorboard the first time i get into it

1500hp in a street driven impala..:lol::lol: when you wrap it around a tree take a pic and be sure to post it here.

thats what the adjustable wastegates are for..ill have them fully open untill i feel "comfortable" upping the boost. ive driven some nasty cars so im not some dude going from a corsica to a corvette lol..the way i see it with the gates fully open it will "only" be making 6-700 hp. about 100 more then what my GTA had..that and the impy weighs 4,500 pounds it will be rougly the same speed..

this thread is making me want to build another 383. :(

Im going to build one once my LT1 goes, but its only got 45K miles so its going to be a while :cool:

Can you imagine cooling a 1000 hp engine on a daily drive and 40+ sec stops at red lights? Not gonna happen. That thing might make it 2 miles before it melts some rings.

read that thread i posted..these guys drive 1000 horse vettes on the street daily without any problems.. i dont see a problem with cooling it.

guys comon read a little first..i said 1500Hp set on "kill". which menas max boost, max timing, full race out setup..probly wont see that but a dozen times a year..kinda like havein somthing a little extra if i need it ya feel me.

the wastegates will be open 99% of the time while its drivein on the street. that means itll make 1-2 pounds of boost if that, run very conservative timing and make "only 6-700 hp" which imo is pretty common nowadays

i know all about neilson racing engines..i saw there video he had on youtube with that 555inch twin turbo in a chevy 2 i think it was..he was like "we have the boost turned way down to about a 1000hp..2000 is a bit to much for the street" lmfao

i chose the impala becasue i want a full frame car. i was thikning about a monte carlo ss but imo i dont think its strong enough. the motor that was in my GTA i put in my caprice and it ran real good. ran mid 12's with 450 ponies.


What do you guys have against an impala>?

Go down to Chevy Dealer, Buy 2008 Z06.. Call Vortech, Order Supercharger.. Enjoy life...

Seriously man, thats once EXPENSIVE project.. 1,500 HP????? How did you come up with that number?

were gonna try to order a ZR1. SHE insisted on that idea lol

i came up with 1,500 becasue theres a guy buling a 427 turbo LS based motor using a DART block..i was looking for more inches so thats were 1,500 came from..keep in mind it wont be making 1,500 99% of the time

Even with a rollcage 1500hp gets a little dicey in the Imp chassis. Once I thought about it more I know another guy with a car that likely makes maybe 1300 or so, full weight, lots of stock parts on the car. Converted Donovan 434 to accept all the LT1 specific stuff and a blower for the boost, boost is fairly low maybe about 15psi with a small shot of nitous to cool it. Car makes enough power to trap mid to high 140s, between breakage and traction issues he is only getting mid 9s out of it though, and he did a minitub on it to get more rubber under there. It is still stock style suspension.
Maybe the craziest thing about the whole thing is he is using the OEM engine/tranny management, the 4L60E and 8.5" 10bolt have to round out the top three craziest things he has kept. It is street driven and dragged, don't think it will road race though, the suspension work needed to get this kind of power to hook in a straight line usually wont corner well. For example they use an antiroll system that keeps the axle and chassis dead parallel, at low speed cornering it feels good but try and push it and the rear will suddenly break away because it is like having way too stiff a rear swaybar, bet if you had stickey enough tires you would actually lift the inside rear tire in a hard corner. For fast cornering you need some articulation.

There is a car in Sweden that comes close to what you are looking for too, this one a blower actual LT1 block, runs high 9s, lots more work in the rear suspension, like Fab9" and 4 link, BIG boost numbers high 20s-30, he actually does all you want to some degree. Appears to me DEEP pockets built that car, aftermarket management, 4L80E with seperate controller. Running the weight and mph numbers this may be about 1000hp, nowhere near the 1500 pipedream you have.
http://www.blackout.nu/
quickss is a good friend of his and could add more about the car.


I don't think you have any gasp of what this sort of thing takes, both of these guys are a bit older, wiser and more experianced.

I have an idea for you, go to the chevy dealership and get a SS full size truck. Get yourself a nice trailer, then go buy a dedicated racecar. You will still have money left and you will be better able to enjoy them for what they are.

Honestly, that kind of hp will twist a factory impy in half and just about any other factory car for that manner. If you have the coin like you say your coming into build the body style you like and let your chassis guy figure it all out. A project like this is going to take considerable time (read about 1 year) if you want it done right.

A good friend of mine won the lottery (24 mil.) and he started projects like the one your describing except using corvettes, he finished 2 of the vettes (each with over 1100 hp) and honestly they are not "all that" and they are very underperforming for the amount of hp on tap. He has a new z06 vette and he loves it compared to his project cars, its much cheaper to insure (try insuring a 1100 hp vette at replacement cost), he can drive it anywhere and not worry about if it breaks who will fix it. For example the brakes on his vettes are the same Brembo brakes used on the Ferrari F40, to get a "basic brake job" done is $4000.00!!!! and that with him doing the labor.

Building high end cars need/get high end maintenance just remember that when starting a serious project, It takes big money to build them, drive them, and work on them.

I would say you need to find a shop to build this for you. I havent seen any lt1's here in the last few years making any thing close to 1500 hp, probably for good reason. I'm sure those vettes are LSX based so the heads are miles above any lt1 unit.

Even with a rollcage 1500hp gets a little dicey in the Imp chassis. Once I thought about it more I know another guy with a car that likely makes maybe 1300 or so, full weight, lots of stock parts on the car. Converted Donovan 434 to accept all the LT1 specific stuff and a blower for the boost, boost is fairly low maybe about 15psi with a small shot of nitous to cool it. Car makes enough power to trap mid to high 140s, between breakage and traction issues he is only getting mid 9s out of it though, and he did a minitub on it to get more rubber under there. It is still stock style suspension.
Maybe the craziest thing about the whole thing is he is using the OEM engine/tranny management, the 4L60E and 8.5" 10bolt have to round out the top three craziest things he has kept. It is street driven and dragged, don't think it will road race though, the suspension work needed to get this kind of power to hook in a straight line usually wont corner well. For example they use an antiroll system that keeps the axle and chassis dead parallel, at low speed cornering it feels good but try and push it and the rear will suddenly break away because it is like having way too stiff a rear swaybar, bet if you had stickey enough tires you would actually lift the inside rear tire in a hard corner. For fast cornering you need some articulation.

There is a car in Sweden that comes close to what you are looking for too, this one a blower actual LT1 block, runs high 9s, lots more work in the rear suspension, like Fab9" and 4 link, BIG boost numbers high 20s-30, he actually does all you want to some degree. Appears to me DEEP pockets built that car, aftermarket management, 4L80E with seperate controller. Running the weight and mph numbers this may be about 1000hp, nowhere near the 1500 pipedream you have.
http://www.blackout.nu/
quickss is a good friend of his and could add more about the car.


I don't think you have any gasp of what this sort of thing takes, both of these guys are a bit older, wiser and more experianced.


im almost 30 and been around this stuff since i can remember..i know i dont have the knowledge of a lot of guys, but im a sponge and a fast learner and will a little help and guidence i could do this myself. that being said, i will definetly have some shops who specialize in each area help me out with things i feel are over my head. this build will take atleast a year to complete. i will not rush it or cut corners, i want it done right the first time. i will use parts that WONT break and parts that will be riliable. I resgisterd over at impalassforum a couple years ago and saw a few guys that road race them, and i feel that if i can find a shop that knows what there doing can setup the suspension very well. This wont be my first B-body i know there a little twitchy, but i think theres enough technology out there to make it comfortable

I have an idea for you, go to the chevy dealership and get a SS full size truck. Get yourself a nice trailer, then go buy a dedicated racecar. You will still have money left and you will be better able to enjoy them for what they are.

Honestly, that kind of hp will twist a factory impy in half and just about any other factory car for that manner. If you have the coin like you say your coming into build the body style you like and let your chassis guy figure it all out. A project like this is going to take considerable time (read about 1 year) if you want it done right.

A good friend of mine won the lottery (24 mil.) and he started projects like the one your describing except using corvettes, he finished 2 of the vettes (each with over 1100 hp) and honestly they are not "all that" and they are very underperforming for the amount of hp on tap. He has a new z06 vette and he loves it compared to his project cars, its much cheaper to insure (try insuring a 1100 hp vette at replacement cost), he can drive it anywhere and not worry about if it breaks who will fix it. For example the brakes on his vettes are the same Brembo brakes used on the Ferrari F40, to get a "basic brake job" done is $4000.00!!!! and that with him doing the labor.

Building high end cars need/get high end maintenance just remember that when starting a serious project, It takes big money to build them, drive them, and work on them.

the point if this build is to DRIVE it. if i want a trailer or garage queen id buy one. i want to build a car that makes stupid power, rip off single digit times, out handle the best sports cars and cruise it on a sunday. all between driving it to the corner store. Probly not a daily driver but it could be (hopefully well be able to find a ZR1 or CTS-V for that). The parts that go into the motor may be a little pricey but nothing on this car will "exotic" nothing that i cannot work on myself. i may need some help building it, but im sure i can work on it..
Im sure the chassis shop i find to do this for me can add a cross member or 2 and with a 12pt cage it will be plenly strong enough, maybe even a midplate or something..This is why i posted this guys. i need some assistance in getting this writtin down what i want. i want to be able to call these shops and tell them EXACTLY what i want, what will work and what wont

I would say you need to find a shop to build this for you. I havent seen any lt1's here in the last few years making any thing close to 1500 hp, probably for good reason. I'm sure those vettes are LSX based so the heads are miles above any lt1 unit.

It will be LSX based :D..the heads the guys is using in the link i posted flow almost 400cfm

What platform would you guys suggest?..maybe a 67-72 A-body? and 70 442 would be bad@ss,

It will be LSX based :D..the heads the guys is using in the link i posted flow almost 400cfm

You can get a sbc 13* head that will outflow that.

100K won't last any time....

I know guys that run the nmra stuff...shoot they go through 100K like play money.


Set a realistic goal...if you want an impala then do a head cam 383 or something, then add a power adder later if need be.

Also don't get too many ideas if you haven't gotten a settlement yet. b/c lawyers are going to eat up just about all of it. I been through that.

I am normally the guy not telling people this or that cant be done but this is almost impossible. I think your 100k budget is going to go out the window if you proceed with it. I would also be more realistic, maybe 1200hp goal. and i mean flywheel, so around 1000rwhp or so.

Adjust your budget or goals. The two you have right now shouldnt be in the same sentence.

Honestly, your goals of single digit Et's, out handling the best sportscars and being a great driver for 100k is unrealistic esecially if you want it nice and plan to keep it nice.

Find a good shop, develope a good relationship with them and have them build the car with your specifications: 1000 plus rwhp, single digit ET's, outhandle sportscars, and be subtle enough to be a driver. Don't waste your time talking to us hillbillies and gathering constructive critisism on the project. Build what you want and not worry about us. If you spend enough money maybe you can get in Hot Rod magazine or join the next Powerless Tour.

Could you drive this on the street? Do you think it would go around corners? And its only making 1,350 at the flywheel with a 383ci Dart Iron Eagle block.

http://www.injuneer.com/images/Videos/GeorgeBax%20876.WMV

First pass on the new motor. Eventually ran low 8's in the PROEdelbrock Xtreme Street series.

I know AI has a f-body customr out there with a over 1000rwhp 355 Lt1.

You really do need to stop planning and start learning. The LT1 is capable of a lot more than it is given credit for and sticking with the original platform would save some money and hassle. Combine that with scaling down your goals and I think you can have a monster of a car.

You can get a sbc 13* head that will outflow that.100K won't last any time....I know guys that run the nmra stuff...shoot they go through 100K like play money. Set a realistic goal...if you want an impala then do a head cam 383 or something, then add a power adder later if need be. Also don't get too many ideas if you haven't gotten a settlement yet. b/c lawyers are going to eat up just about all of it. I been through that.

with a 13* head wont that require custom intake and headers? or is the exhaust port the same as a 23* head?..

BTW that pm i sent you.. thats AFTER the lawyers

im coming here to get input. that way we can come up with ideas concerning the goals i have and then i take it to a shop that will make it happen..and besides i want to learn a little on the way to..i dont just want to walk into a shop with a breifcase full of cash drop it on his desk and say "heres my goals now build me something" i want to have a hand in it so to speak

with a 13* head wont that require custom intake and headers? or is the exhaust port the same as a 23* head?..



stahl flanged, at that power level everything in it will be custom anyway

Could you drive this on the street? Do you think it would go around corners? And its only making 1,350 at the flywheel with a 383ci Dart Iron Eagle block.

http://www.injuneer.com/images/Videos/GeorgeBax%20876.WMV

First pass on the new motor. Eventually ran low 8's in the PROEdelbrock Xtreme Street series.

as soon as the video started loading and it said GBAX i smiled..i know all about that guy lol..how big is the turbo..
i was thinking about the 500 cube mark becasue it wouldnt have to as radical to make the power..you know what i mean..
i cant tell if your asking weather i could handle driving it on the street or if you know if cant be drivin on the street or a road course and your asking me to see if im retarted lol..
what does he have done to the chassis/rear suspension?

I know AI has a f-body customr out there with a over 1000rwhp 355 Lt1.

You really do need to stop planning and start learning. The LT1 is capable of a lot more than it is given credit for and sticking with the original platform would save some money and hassle. Combine that with scaling down your goals and I think you can have a monster of a car.

i know the LT1 is capable of crazy numbers, but i want that type of power reliably..thats why i want a bigger engine. to make the power but without 30 pounds of boost, something that CAN be drivin on the street. It would be a kitty cat during normal driving. No cam surge, plenty of vacuum for the breaks, just complety docile day to day driving, and i feel like 500+ inch engine with some boost will fit that bill..i know you can make 12-1,300hp with a 383, but drivability is drastically reduced and that defeats my entier purpose for the build..
no disrespect intented but i know enough as of right now to start thinking about what i want to build. like i said this will take a year to do the whole car so nothing is in concrete right now. Im here to get ideas so i can start planning things..im in the "brainstorm" stage right now. As i progress through the build ill learn things along the way and things that are to much for me to handle ill have a "professional" help me along..

stahl flanged, at that power level everything in it will be custom anyway

i figured that the intake and headers would have to be..iirc i dont think theres a company that makes a turbo "plumbing" kit so that will have to be made aswell..

can you hit me up with a link for those flanges?

If you are going LSx then those flanges wont matter anyway. He posted about that encouraging you to stick with a gen1/2 smallblock.

If you are going LSx then those flanges wont matter anyway. He posted about that encouraging you to stick with a gen1/2 smallblock.


ohh i know that..like i said im brainstorming right now..id really like a smallblock package..how big can aftermarket Gen1/2 smallblocks be made?..ive seen 434's 454's and even a 472. is that about as big as they can get?.. what about reliability? i really like the LSX block or the DART LSX block..they can hold 30 pounds and support almost 2000hp :eek:

please shoot me some links if you have them for some aftermarket gen 1/2 blocks

That video is at least 4 years old.... and the car is long gone. No turbo... its a Vortech SC.

Not questioning your driving ability... just trying to be sure you are aware of what a handfull a car like that is. I drove it on the street when it was still an LT1 and only making 1,125HP, and it was driveable. But when he built the version in the video, it's not something that you would ever want to drive on the street. Suspension is totally "drag" oriented. Doubt it would generate any G's at all through a corner. PA tubular K-member, Afco drag shocks/springs, front-end travel limiters, no front sway bar, Mark Williams light-weight brakes, Spohn rear suspension including your typical adjustable torque arm, tubular LCA's, LCA relocation brackets, relocated panhard bar, and a Wolfe sway bar.

Do a search. There's a guy here who claimed he was making about 1,500HP with a turbo'd LT1, running in the 8's. Did most of the work himself, it you accept what he posted. Bottom end finally let go a couple months ago, though.

MY91Y84
I like your plans! I'm a B-body fan also. I've got a 91 Caprice, 96 Impala SS, and my dad has a 96 Imp SS also.

My suggestion is to go with a big inch aluminum big block. You can make more power than you can use realiably.

Check out this thread on ISSF: http://www.impalassforum.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=78789

I've got plans also, but I don't have the $$$ to move on it yet...

adioSS, im registed on that site..My screen name is B-crazy
im reading thorugh that link you posted and thats insane..i love the chassis pics he posted. this is what im looking for http://www.impalassforum.com/vBulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=3430&d=1209092270

heres another pic of a 96 impay chassis 25.5 certified for 8.50's

http://www.impalassforum.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=78789&page=11

you have to scroll down about 3/4 of the page..its a 555 twin turbo big block,.. hes going for 1,500 hp on pump gas and 10 pounds of boost.. it made a little under a 1000 on motor alone..rear end is a 4 link with coil overs and an S60 rear end..its a starnge case with dana 60 gear sets..

yeah, Nathan's car is going to be awesome. Hell, it is already there!

His engine made ~1000 before being prepped for boost. They knocked it down to about 800hp with lower compression, different camshaft, etc. It should be able to make closer to 2000hp will good fuel and plenty of boost.

An LSX engine shoul be able to make the power you want while keeping the weight down. If you dig around enough on ISSF then you'll find Mike Smith's tube-frame BBC Caprice that should provide more inspiration... ;)

Heck, here's a picture..
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7cc39b3127cceb27b6f12ae3f00000026100ZZsmrJoxA

I thought this was a "F-BODY FORUM" and not a B-body forum? This should be moved to a different part of the board.

I thought this was a "F-BODY FORUM" and not a B-body forum? This should be moved to a different part of the board.

it is and thank you for pointing it out..its also advanced tech. and i dont know about you but this is defently advanced tech.. if you remember correctly i started this thread with engine plans that will make 1,500hp. and be able to daily drive, cruise, road course and 1/4. Thats advanced tech. The platform was chosen by me and wasnt relevant untill a couple night ago.
And goin by what more htena few of you have said there are B-bodies (again irrelevant) that can take the power im planning on making.

Ive been busy that last few days making phone call and such. ive been talking to nelson racing engines, victory racing engines and the guys that are building that 1,200 horse LSx for that DAILY drivin vette DPE.

i posted here becasue i want to learn more about turbo motors. the ADVANCED side of turbo motors..

daily drive a 25.5 chassis and road course.....:lol:

If I'm, going to spend 250k to build a 25.5 car from the ground up why the hell put it in a huge ass boat of a car.....kind of defeats the purpose.

Your 150k won't even cover the engine....

Guess you want it to burn pump gas too? I know I know...make it air powered...or water......

daily drive a 25.5 chassis and road course.....:lol:

If I'm, going to spend 250k to build a 25.5 car from the ground up why the hell put it in a huge ass boat of a car.....kind of defeats the purpose.

Your 150k won't even cover the engine....

Guess you want it to burn pump gas too? I know I know...make it air powered...or water......

wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning did ya?..
read that link i posted..he bought the enigne and had it all turbo prepped for under 30k..hes done 90% of the chassis work himself..
i told you why i chose the platform i did..its strong as hell and just becasue you havent seen anyone do it before doesnt mean it cant be done..fill up your glass a little eh

I'll add a small comment and say that I don't think you're realistic in your goals with regards to your budget or the scope of this project.

Speaking from experience, building a car that comes close to what you are looking for is a huge undertaking that should not be taken lightly. Beyond the cost alone, there are many logistical issues that will need to be considered along the way. I strongly encourage you to plan a lot of time now for managing this project, because if you are not the project manager you will need to find one. If you don't take on this responsibility or find someone to do so, you will end up with a car that is in and out of various shops, lack of communication, and lots of wasted money and time. Trust me on this.

One other thing. Find a recipe or proven example and use that as your guide. If you want to do something for the first time or be really original it ends up costing way more and generally drags out the timeline. Contrary to what you believe or may read on the internet, new ideas that have not been done before rarely work the first time.

Or, here's another thought. Go to www.racingjunk.com and shop around until you find a project someone else has got tired of or can't afford any more. Then take whatever you buy and make it more into what you want. You'll probably save a bunch of time and money doing this.

it is and thank you for pointing it out..its also advanced tech. and i dont know about you but this is defently advanced tech.. if you remember correctly i started this thread with engine plans that will make 1,500hp. and be able to daily drive, cruise, road course and 1/4. Thats advanced tech. The platform was chosen by me and wasnt relevant untill a couple night ago.
And goin by what more htena few of you have said there are B-bodies (again irrelevant) that can take the power im planning on making.

Ive been busy that last few days making phone call and such. ive been talking to nelson racing engines, victory racing engines and the guys that are building that 1,200 horse LSx for that DAILY drivin vette DPE.

i posted here becasue i want to learn more about turbo motors. the ADVANCED side of turbo motors..

A) What is the name of this website?

B) What is the forum heading you posted under?

Let me give you the answers....

A) CAMAROZ28.COM

B) 1967 TO 2002 F-BODY TECHNICAL DISCUSSION

To further answer your question, no this topic (called My Ultimate Build) isn't of advanced tech, its of a person (you) that has unrealistic goals for a pie in sky car that he wants to build some day. If you came to learn advanced tech then you need to read more, alot more and get real with yours goals.

If you have an engine question put it there, if you have a turbo question put it there, if you have a chassis question put it in the ImpalaSS forums where it belongs.

Thats great you spoke to an engine builder, I'm waiting for you to call a chassis shop or a custom shop to talk about your goals and how realistic they are. Back the Brinks truck up to the door is the first thing your going to hear them say.

Enough said...

I thought this was a "F-BODY FORUM" and not a B-body forum? This should be moved to a different part of the board.

A) What is the name of this website?

B) What is the forum heading you posted under?

Let me give you the answers....

A) CAMAROZ28.COM

B) 1967 TO 2002 F-BODY TECHNICAL DISCUSSION

To further answer your question, no this topic (called My Ultimate Build) isn't of advanced tech, its of a person (you) that has unrealistic goals for a pie in sky car that he wants to build some day. If you came to learn advanced tech then you need to read more, alot more and get real with yours goals.

If you have an engine question put it there, if you have a turbo question put it there, if you have a chassis question put it in the ImpalaSS forums where it belongs.

Thats great you spoke to an engine builder, I'm waiting for you to call a chassis shop or a custom shop to talk about your goals and how realistic they are. Back the Brinks truck up to the door is the first thing your going to hear them say.

Enough said...

Might want to stick to the "tech" part, and let the moderators handle what belongs where. You are way off base, based on the topics that are handled on the Advanced Tech forum, now and in the past. There is no limitation on this site to "F-Bodys", when the engines involved are similar - e.g. Y-Body, B-Body and F-Body. The primary emphasis in this forum is topics that push the envelope... but the call on what fits and doesn't fit is very subjective. If I didn't feel this wan an acceptable topic, I wouldn't have responded, and would have moved it.

Please let me do my job.

thanks Fred.

I don't see why somebody that has pushed the envelope with bolt-on LT1 performance is being so negative about pushing the envelope of B-bodies?

Why do people build up old POS Camaros, Novas, Chevelles, etc? They like that particular body-style and want to make the rest of the car better. Think back 10-15 years ago and tell us what people thought about 2nd Gen Camaros. At that time the 4th Gens were in production. Generally anything other than the earliest second gen F-cars were "white trash" mullet-mobiles. (No offense to anybody anywhere.) In the past few years those cars have become much more desirable thanks to cars such as the F-bomb that Friedburger and Nelson built in Hot Rod.

There are some of us that really like the big body cars. They had a BUNCH of room, very decent power, and many modern comforts. They were also built on chassis designs from the 70s that are vey similar to that of the A-body cars (Chevelle, etc.)

I've got my first car (91 Caprice) sitting under a carport at my grandparents house. They've had several people stop by to ask if it is for sale. Everybody wants me to sell the car. I'm too stubborn. The car isn't costing me anything sitting there. I tell them to think of that car like you would think of a 55 Chevy or 69 Camaro. Of course they don't see it, but I see a future of that car. Someday I want to run that car at Bonneville...

Injuneer, I disagree still, but its YOUR board and I understand the Golden Rule.

AdioSS, I won't even comment on this.

Injuneer, I disagree still, but its YOUR board and I understand the Golden Rule.

AdioSS, I won't even comment on this.

Apparently your insulting PM to me was not enough, and you have to continue it here. Keep it up.... becasue there IS a hard-and-fast rule regarding continuing arguments with a moderator in a thread, and once again, you're over the line.

PS - It is NOT "my" board.... it belongs to Chris Frezza and Jason Debler. If you have such a big problem with me as a moderator, and feel I'm playing some kind of a "game", take it up with them.

i may have found an engine..i like the looks of this

http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/pricesheets/lsx/hotrod/tt/hrs_454lsx_tt.pdf

Tubular K-Member / A-Arms / Coil-Over Package $1284.00 $1284.00
K-Member Material Type: 4130N Chromoly $250.00 $250.00
LSX Swap Motor Mount Pads $50.00 $50.00
4130N Chrome Moly A-arms w/ Spherical Rod Ends $200.00 $200.00
Coil-Over Kit Choice: Pro-Tour w/ 325# Springs
Color: Bright Red

Strange Engineering - Dana 60 Rear - Complete $2035.00 $2035.00Center Section: 35 Spline Detroit Trutrac $314.00 $314.00
Rear Cover: Aluminum Girdle Cover $45.50 $45.50 3.73 - Street Gear Ratio & Type: 3.73 - Street
Wheel Studs: 1/2" SAE
Pinion Yoke: Chrome Moly 1350 Pinion Yoke $51.85 $51.85

Tubular Adjustable LCA with Spherical Rod Ends $245.00 $245.00 Material Type: 4130N Chrome Moly $30.00 $30.00
Color: Bright Red

Rear LCA Relocation Brackets -Strange Rear Ends $65.00 $65.00

Rear Coil Over Kit - QA1 Double Adjustable Shocks $750.00 $750.00Spring Rate: Variable 130#-250# $30.00 $30.00


Koni "Yellow" Front Struts - Pair $499.95 $499.95

Spohn Sway Bars Set - Solid 4140 Chrome Moly $329.00 $329.00
Color: Bright Red



Aftermarket Rear - Sway Bar Installation Kit $75.00 $75.00Axle Tube Diameter: 3.00"
Color: Gloss Black



Panhard Bar - Tubular Adjustable with Spherical Rod Ends $170.00 $170.00Material Type: 4130N Chrome Moly $30.00 $30.00Color: Bright Red


LSx Motor Mounts Hardware Kit $8.95 $8.95

Tubular Sub-Frame Connectors - T-Top & Hard Top Cars $199.00 $199.00Finish: Bare Metal


SUBTOTAL: $6673.20


I Think im gonna save the B-body for later..maybe for a "cruiser" later on.
i havent included the cage yet in those prices above..i have to call them tomorrow to see if there 14 point cage will be "compatable" with there k-member..also didnt list a torque arm driveshaft or a tranny cross member yet because i have to find a shop that either sells a complete or "build you own" T-56 or tremec to handle this power.. figure another 12 or 13 thousand for the tranny, Torque arm, driveshft, crossmember, car, cage and brakes
with the subframe connectors and the cage the chassis will be plently strong.
Great thing about this is i can do 99% of the owrk myself

AdioSS, I won't even comment on this.

Why not?

If you recall, when people were saying that your carb LT1 shouldn't be considered a "bolt-on" car, I was on your side.

There are several people who are more comfortable in a large fullsize car than a small ponycar.

Why are people racing F-bodies when a dedicated dragster will do it better for safer?

It says goals or 8 seconds...I wonder what it really runs? 11.50's?

Good luck with the project.

I'm gonna guess that it really runs quicker than your car... ;) :p :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF3TP0HTqpk

I really think you should try to find as many 1500hp LSX motors as you can for reference. I dont think your going to find many but there should be a few. Than i would try to find the best performing B Body and copy and learn as much as you can from each car/owner. Use the motor advice/info and the b body advice/info, put the two together and theres your car.;)

Im not trying to be an ass but i think your goals are over reaching your budget. I dont think your going to be able to do what you are intending. It is just too crazy of a build to make happen with 100k.

I know everyone keeps bashing you for a reason. Some are just plain old stupid and have no clue to what they are really talking about. They are just being dickheads to be dickheads. The few that know what they are talking about tell you no way because in their experience your plan is not going to happen. The ones that know from experience have been down that road and are telling you its not going to happen because they speak from experience and know whats going to happen. They have tried to do something similar and failed. Not how much they read online about cars and BS.:lol::lol:

So in all honesty i would bring your goal down or budget up. The motor alone is going to soak up 30-50k. So think about that and what you ll have left over for the rest of the entire car its not too much. I dont think you can do it, but thats just me. When you put me in the mix with everyone around here i am a nobody.Figure out who knows what they are talking about, using your best judgement to find who speaks the truth and who is wasting your time.Than you can use what you find to help you along your quest for this monster machine.

Good luck here bud, nothing bad intended.

I really think you should try to find as many 1500hp LSX motors as you can for reference. I dont think your going to find many but there should be a few. Than i would try to find the best performing B Body and copy and learn as much as you can from each car/owner. Use the motor advice/info and the b body advice/info, put the two together and theres your car.;)

Im not trying to be an ass but i think your goals are over reaching your budget. I dont think your going to be able to do what you are intending. It is just too crazy of a build to make happen with 100k.

I know everyone keeps bashing you for a reason. Some are just plain old stupid and have no clue to what they are really talking about. They are just being dickheads to be dickheads. The few that know what they are talking about tell you no way because in their experience your plan is not going to happen. The ones that know from experience have been down that road and are telling you its not going to happen because they speak from experience and know whats going to happen. They have tried to do something similar and failed. Not how much they read online about cars and BS.:lol::lol:

So in all honesty i would bring your goal down or budget up. The motor alone is going to soak up 30-50k. So think about that and what you ll have left over for the rest of the entire car its not too much. I dont think you can do it, but thats just me. When you put me in the mix with everyone around here i am a nobody.Figure out who knows what they are talking about, using your best judgement to find who speaks the truth and who is wasting your time.Than you can use what you find to help you along your quest for this monster machine.

Good luck here bud, nothing bad intended.


oh nothign taken to heart dude..responses like your are what im lokoing for..not for someone to come in here and say "ohhh you CANT do that" %^%K that i dont want to hear it..ive decided to hol don the b-body..ill build one of those down the road for a cruiser or soemthing..ive went back to the F-body for the car i want to build..that was my original platform but i really didnt think it would hold for what i wanted to do, but after talking to more then a few places it will and be perfect for what i want..here the engine im looking at right now http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/pricesheets/lsx/hotrod/tt/hrs_454lsx_tt.pdf
its a 454inch LSX block with twin turbos..it makes almost 1,200 on pump gas and 1,600 on race gas with ONLY 14 pounds..its 36,000 bucks. Its rock staedy reliable, can be daily driven and fits my goals. the pirces i have above are from spohn performance..another 25,000 (including the 6,600 above) for the car, cage, tranny, torque arm, driveshaft, breaks, cross member, fuel
system and ill be well under my 100k budget. as of right there its 61k. i dont think il have another 40 grand in "nickel and dime" stuff do you lol

for the tranny i need some help with this. I want to stay with a 6 speed, but i cant find anyone that builds one that will hold this power..i tried to DDperformance (www.ddperformance.com) but i missed them. i searched there site and the strongest one they have listed is only 600 ft pounds..

Fuel system is something else ill need to education on. would 1/2'' I.D. lines be big enough? what about fuel pump?..

This is all F-body related now..also it will be a 3RD gen..i miss my GTA

Check out my parst list above and the engine link.. tell me waht you htink

This is about as close as you'll get.... only good for 1,200HP/1,000 lb-ft.

http://www.rsgear.com/transzilla.asp

Otherwise, look at a Lenco or a Liberty.

There goes a chunk of your "left-over" $40K.

This is about as close as you'll get.... only good for 1,200HP/1,000 lb-ft.

http://www.rsgear.com/transzilla.asp

Otherwise, look at a Lenco or a Liberty.

There goes a chunk of your "left-over" $40K.


Thanks fred..just a question, there isnt any prices on there site..how much does this run?..that "left over" 40k (i love how you type it so casually like its common place lol) was after building the chassis. 36 for the motor, and another 25-30 to buld the chassis/driveline. i was looking at those exedy clutches they have linked but they dont show a power rating or prices either..
this clutch is gonna be like an on off switch lol

whatever you choose for a tranny just be aware that the lsx motors out there that are pushing 1100hp+ are blowing through them very fast, so use that ("extra 40k") lol... and buy an extra tranny if you can. and good luck.

the link that injuneer gave to me is looking to be a damn good tranny. the materials used in it are high quality and they say it can handle a lot of power. 1,200/1,100
i guess ill have to granny shift when im using race gas haha..
now i have to find a clutch that will hold it..theres not gonna be any slipping the cltuch i see. its gonna be like a switch lol

i found a clutch to use..

http://www.turboclutch.com/Pages/RPS%20BC3%20F-body.htm

billet triple disc carbon. just read the link for eye candy

i need to call rsgear monday to price out tehre tranny. That engine comes with a fuel pump and ignition..

talk to Jose at forced inductions. Hes good with high hp stuff. Also read on Ls1tech. There are much more 1000rwhp cars ove there. Not to say that we dont have any:no:, but they are far and few.

You can even step those cubes up to a 481 or 470's if you really need the hp. Look into the warhawk block, it will fit your needs.

talk to Jose at forced inductions. Hes good with high hp stuff. Also read on Ls1tech. There are much more 1000rwhp cars ove there. Not to say that we dont have any:no:, but they are far and few.

You can even step those cubes up to a 481 or 470's if you really need the hp. Look into the warhawk block, it will fit your needs.

ive been doing research about the engine for a week or so and im all but sold on the NRE buiilt 454TT LSX. i had a nice convo with Tom Nelson today and he pretty much sealed the deal..i mean this engine makes 1650hp with 14 pounds of boost..the wastegates and turbos can make in excess of 35 pounds lol

i guess this thread is kinda dead now. ive gotten input from guys here, talked to who i needed to and picked out the parts i need. Pretty much the only thing i need to is find a clean rust free donor car, buy the parts, install the parts, get the car ready for the engine and have it taken to NRE to have them install the engine..

Pretty much the only thing i need to is find a clean rust free donor car, buy the parts, install the parts, get the car ready for the engine and have it taken to NRE to have them install the engine..

You got the money?

you know of a car?

weve been in NC at her parents house for almost 2 months looking at houses findin land, and get ready for the move..were going back to NY tomorrow to sign papers

well glad your project is on its way. Good to hear your using a f body too. I would still consider a c5/c6 tho. Much better platform.

well glad your project is on its way. Good to hear your using a f body too. I would still consider a c5/c6 tho. Much better platform.

well its not on its way yet..gotta go back to NY to get all the paperwork finalized. Then we wait untill it all clears, then we move down here. It will be a few months before i buy the car and probly a few after that before i start building it. id like to drive it a bit before i just gut it all out lol.

i guess this thread is kinda dead now
Dead!! I thought it was "still born". You already knew what you wanted to do and have a budget. I get the feeling you didn't really want advice, you just wanted to tell everyone what you are going to do.
You know in all those articles about all those 1000+hp cars, they never tell you how often they break!!

Well you asked for advice,...so...I think you should DO IT, don't talk about it. Build the best Impy that has ever been done. One that will out run any dragster and corner better then any Vett. Then, when you have been in every Hot Rod mag. in the country, you can come back here and say, "I told you so!"

Dead!! I thought it was "still born". You already knew what you wanted to do and have a budget. I get the feeling you didn't really want advice, you just wanted to tell everyone what you are going to do.
You know in all those articles about all those 1000+hp cars, they never tell you how often they break!!

Well you asked for advice,...so...I think you should DO IT, don't talk about it. Build the best Impy that has ever been done. One that will out run any dragster and corner better then any Vett. Then, when you have been in every Hot Rod mag. in the country, you can come back here and say, "I told you so!"

lol i aint like that..thats not me. theres more then a few imps that are already in the 8's. and i didnt want to go through with that as my first "real" project. i went back tot he f-body becasue im framiliar with them and the parts can be installed by myself. i can do the work myself andi can work on it myself if it breaks. i will try my hardest to break it to. im not going to be easy on this car. it will be abused. Honestly i really dont see were it would break. the engine is built to take absurd amounts of beating, the tranny is the same thats in pro stocks lol. the driveshaft is made from carbon fiber and the rear end is an undistructable strange 12 bolt. the chassis wil have a 14 point cage and subframe connectors..it will be a tough b!tch

i aksed and continue to ask for advice (check my other threads) about things im not 100% sure about. even now theres a few things that im not sure about and will continue to ask questions.

there is only 1 94-96 Impala SS in the 8s

......Honestly i really dont see were it would break. ......l. the driveshaft is made from carbon fiber and the rear end is an undistructable strange 12 bolt. the chassis wil have a 14 point cage and subframe connectors..it will be a tough b!tch
........

The Strange 12-bolt is not up to 1,500HP. I've broken a heavy duty ACPT CF DS with the car running on a "just good enough to drive it to the body shop tune". When you make statements like the one above, I seriously question your ability to pull this project off.

The Strange 12-bolt is not up to 1,500HP. I've broken a heavy duty ACPT CF DS with the car running on a "just good enough to drive it to the body shop tune". When you make statements like the one above, I seriously question your ability to pull this project off.

its a 12 bolt case but a dana 60 center section.thats a 9 3/4'' ring gear..how much bigger do i need lol..
here are the specs

The Strange Dana 60 rear end features the following:

Standard 35 spline Strange S/T axles
Massive 9.75" ring gear
Premium nodular iron case and caps
Adjuster nuts for precise and easy set-up
One piece center for enhanced rigidity
Multiple center section choices (see option box)
Fully welded 3.00" x .250" axle tubes
Large 3.150" housing ends - eliminating c-clip axles
Manufactured to "bolt-in"
Optional aluminum rear cover
Standard axle is 35 spline, or upgrade to 40 spline solid or gun-drilled!
1350 series pinion yoke with conversion u-joint supplied
25# heavier than a 12 bolt, 10# heavier than a 9" but without the 9" power loss!

here are the specs for the driveshaft

Build Specifications:

Constructed of 3" o.d. x .083" wall seamless 4130 chrome moly tubing
Forged 4130 chrome moly 1350 weld yokes, properly phased and installed in specially built fixtures (total indicated run-out of less than .008")
Extreme Duty Spicer self lubricating u-joints or Strange Engineering Hi-Impact solid u-joints
Extreme-Duty Spicer 1350 series transmission slip yoke or Strange Engineering 17-4 heat treated stainless steel transmission slip yoke
Meticulously TIG welded for maximum strength
Fully assembled and then precision electronically balanced
Ships fully assembled - ready to install



the rear end up there is the same one that the impala i showed you all earlier is using. hes going for 2000+hp in a 4,400 pound car. id say it would be "good enough" for my 3,600lb 1,500hp 3rd gen

the driveshaft is NOT CF my mistake on that..i dunno were that came from..either way it looks to me that its pretty ****in tough

12 bolt case with a dana 60 center section??

12 bolt case with a dana 60 center section??

My thoughts exactly... WTF...

It's either a GM 12-bolt or a Dana 60... can't be part of one/part of another (except for yokes).

And CF driveshafts are crap.

I've done a LOT of research into building what you want... and your budget sounds a little high if you do all the work yourself, but from the way you talk there are going to be a LOT of gotchas along the way.

you the money yet?

I put a new motor in a 8 sec car last night. she is 2700# mustang tubbed, 33" tire. runs 8.90's on motor. BBF, plan to shoot a 400 to it in 2 weeks:D

I can't imagine that much h.p. in a regular old car.....this car is cert. to 7.50 strang strut front etc.

My thoughts exactly... WTF...

It's either a GM 12-bolt or a Dana 60... can't be part of one/part of another (except for yokes).

And CF driveshafts are crap.

I've done a LOT of research into building what you want... and your budget sounds a little high if you do all the work yourself, but from the way you talk there are going to be a LOT of gotchas along the way.



lol brin fart on me..i was tired when i posted that last night,..i was reading injuneers post when i type mine..its a strange dana 60
well i wont complain if i dont spend the whole 100k lol..i keep trying to think about what else i need to get or do, and i think some of that stuff will come up as i progress through it.

you the money yet?

I put a new motor in a 8 sec car last night. she is 2700# mustang tubbed, 33" tire. runs 8.90's on motor. BBF, plan to shoot a 400 to it in 2 weeks:D

I can't imagine that much h.p. in a regular old car.....this car is cert. to 7.50 strang strut front etc.

thats insane.. i think my car will weigh atleast 3,500 pounds and i "hope" itll get to the 8's. how do i go about getting it certified?. like i said itll ahve a 14 point cage and subframes.

and a 400 shot..goddamn thats a lot of smack

itll proble be atleast a month before she starts getting her checks..

12 bolt case with a dana 60 center section??

you obviously don't know what it takes to build an 8 second car if you don't know about the dana 60/12 bolt swap....jeez man, I thought eveyone knew about that.

The secret is to machine the wobolator shaft properly so it can withstand the powerbands.

lol, gee wiz I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night too!!!

lol, gee wiz I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night too!!!

:lol:

did you ever tell us where "D-town" is?

did you ever tell us where "D-town" is?

detroit. my info needs to be updated..i live in NYC right now.

if it had been Dallas, then I could have directed you toward some decent chassis shops. Find a good one in your area and get friendly with them...

if it had been Dallas, then I could have directed you toward some decent chassis shops. Find a good one in your area and get friendly with them...

actually i think ill do most of the work myself..ill probley need some help with the cage. but everythign else im gonna "try" to do myself..

actually i think ill do most of the work myself..ill probley need some help with the cage. but everythign else im gonna "try" to do myself..

you can do the cage too.

Its simple, I have done about 5 or 6. Easy :D

you can do the cage too.

Its simple, I have done about 5 or 6. Easy :D

ehhh your a machiene..im only human lol..

any thoughts on a vette for this build?

any thoughts on a vette for this build?


nah not for this project..my wife and i are gonna TRY to get a ZR1..i dunno if we'll be able to get one though..

you got the money yet?

so yoooouuur my wifes secret lover lmfao..damn your more anxious then me lol..were still in NC. the radiator broke in my montero about 3 hours before we were going to leave. i orderd one friday and it wont be here till wednesday.

i was reading the cage install instructions and it seems like its not really that difficult, but i dont really trust my welding (or lack thereof) skills. that and i dont have anyhintg to gusset the tubing for the joints

so yoooouuur my wifes secret lover lmfao..damn your more anxious then me lol..were still in NC. the radiator broke in my montero about 3 hours before we were going to leave. i orderd one friday and it wont be here till wednesday.

i was reading the cage install instructions and it seems like its not really that difficult, but i dont really trust my welding (or lack thereof) skills. that and i dont have anyhintg to gusset the tubing for the joints

I wouldn't install my own cage in something as stout as you plan on making it.. Heck I wouldn't trust 90% of the chasis shops out there.. Your life is dependent on it, and it's the back bone of your entire car..for the amount of coin your going to drop.. Don't skimp on safety.

If it runs under 10.0, he has to have the cage certified by NHRA. They aren't going to accept anything but the highest level of welding. Its just another indication that the plan is not well thought out.

If it runs under 10.0, he has to have the cage certified by NHRA. They aren't going to accept anything but the highest level of welding. Its just another indication that the plan is not well thought out.

read what i posted..i said the directions on how to put it in dont seem that hard..i dont however, trust my welding skills..read a few posts up. i said ill have someone put the cage in it for me..comon guys keep up lol..

actually i think ill do most of the work myself..ill probley need some help with the cage. but everythign else im gonna "try" to do myself..


i was reading the cage install instructions and it seems like its not really that difficult, but i dont really trust my welding (or lack thereof) skills. that and i dont have anyhintg to gusset the tubing for the joints

i do not plan on doing the cage myself..i need to be there when its done for the measurement of were my head will be though

nah not for this project..my wife and i are gonna TRY to get a ZR1..i dunno if we'll be able to get one though..

New one?

A friend of mine has bought TWO C6Zs from the same dealership and they called him up the other day and told him 200K for a new ZR1. :lol:

New one?

A friend of mine has bought TWO C6Zs from the same dealership and they called him up the other day and told him 200K for a new ZR1. :lol:


thats what i mean lol..if i cant get one for close to MSRP then i wont..aint gonna pay 200k

thats what i mean lol..if i cant get one for close to MSRP then i wont..aint gonna pay 200k

find one yet?

Call Speed Inc. They are building a 1000-1200rwhp c6 vette. You can find some pictures around here or on LS1tech.com.

But my point is that they have done several cars with 750rwhp +, mostly turbo and tt setups. They are out of chicago, IL

If I didn't already have a car that I wanted to go real fast, I would look at the Factory Five GTM instead of an F-body or even an Impala SS.

If I didn't already have a car that I wanted to go real fast, I would look at the Factory Five GTM instead of an F-body or even an Impala SS.

http://www.factoryfive.com/gtmhome.html
Lightning in a World of Thunder



In a world where thundering Supercars routinely crest 3500 lbs, the track-tested and tuned 2350 lb. GTM is a refreshing return to sportscar fundamentals. Factory Five lightning strikes with a hp/wt ratio similar to that of a Daytona Prototype. With a stock LS7 powerplant, the car maintains a 4.8 lbs per hp ratio. Connected to the pavement via huge 335 series rear tires, it enjoys acceleration numbers better than almost any production vehicle on the road today.

The GTM is faster 0-60 mph than a Ferrari Enzo, a Porsche GT, a Saleen Twin Turbo S7, a Ford GT, and a Lamborghini Mucielago*! The GTM even beats out a Champ car to 60 mph! **



0-60 in 3.0 seconds!



0-100 in 6.6 seconds!



¼ mile in 11.0 seconds @ 132 mph!



But a Supercar isn’t just defined by acceleration. The GTM’s ultra-stout, ultra light space frame chassis and deep breathing LS Series V-8 power combine with modern suspension and brake components to deliver Supercar performance in braking and roadholding as well.



The GTM stops and turns just as fiercely or moreso than the rest of the Supercar gang. With stock Corvette brakes, the GTM slows to a stop from 70 mph in only 166 feet, outbraking the mighty $157,000 Ford GT. That was STOCK Corvette brakes, not $30,000 carbon/ceramic.



Want roadholding? The GTM turns faster than it falls thru the air. Car and Driver measured a phenomenal 1.05 lateral G on street DOT tires. To put that in context, the Ferrari Enzo is the only car that matches it!



The car is light and aerodynamic, with excellent weight distribution and precise race-car handling/braking derived from the Chevrolet Corvette C-5. The car uses potent GM LS series engine power and Corvette suspension/brakes with Koni brand coil-over shocks and a Porsche 911 transaxle to get the job done

I'm torn here...In one regard I'm pissed at myself for wasting an hour of my life reading this thread due to its unrealistic nature (just add this one to the already long list of similar "ridiculous expectations" threads we see here on a somewhat regular basis. On the other hand, the humor contained within this thread is just fantastic!!! And I'm not just talking about the OP's questions and statements. If anyone is unsure of what I'm refering to, go back and re-read the thread from start to finish. I think you'll then understand. This thread seems to epitomize what's wrong with the forum. This is not really the place to have this discussion though, sorry about that.

I've been a member of this board for a while but have a relatively low post count because I usually want to comment only on topics I'm reasonably sure I have worthwhile information on. But in this case I just can't seem to help myself because there seems to be so much wrong here...guess I'm just as gulity as the rest for putting in my .02

Good luck with your build...One thing is for certain, you're not easily discouraged. In all fairness, you never asked for comments regarding the realistic aspect of your build, you were looking for help in choosing an engine package and forced induction parts to meet your goals. You didn't get much help there.

One suggestion though, maybe you should start another thread in a non-technical section of the forum to keep everyone up to date with your build...pictures are always welcome! Let us know what you have learned over the course of your build. Oh and one other thought, unless I'm mistaken, the way I understand it, the money that you are using for your build is coming to you through some sort of settlement involving your wife??? IF so, don't piss her off!!! Otherwise, your ultimate build just may end up being owned and completed by the pool boy.

Becareful of voicing this kind of opinion, I was repremanded for voicing these same thoughts before. I was told that this forum was designed for people who are pushing the envelope.

It looks like the OP found what he was looking for.

Tom.... alway good to hear from you.

You were berated (not sure I'd agree with your choice of words - but hey, if it helps your hurt feelings....) for telling someone that this entire site was only for Camaro owners, and that owners of other vehicles shouldn't be posting here, and attempting to enforce your views of what belonged here and what didn't belong here in a confrontational and obnoxious manner.

If you're going to continue to beat this dead horse, there will be consequences. :rolleyes:

thump, thump

Whats up with that?

Are you a supporting vendor? If not, check the procedures for becoming one.

Nope not this year.

:lol:

If I didn't already have a car that I wanted to go real fast, I would look at the Factory Five GTM instead of an F-body or even an Impala SS.

I recently had an e-mail conversation with my friend Mike in Californa. He finished his GTM and has 300 miles on it so far. Just a stock LS motor with 405 HP. What a dog that thing must be. ;)

Been a while guys, thought id give an update..

Been doing a lot of thinking and im gonna go with the factory 5 GTM..the kit is 20K and i have to get another 15K in new C5 parts. The transaxle is about 4K and clutch another 1,500..then theres the engine and im waitng for the LS9 to be crated..638hp (may cam it) in a 2,400 pound car :eek:..from what im hearing the LS9 will be about 18-20..so for about 80k ill have a car that will do everything i want..daily drive, road race, 1/4, texas mile..itll get ice cream on the way to the track and run 9's..there wont be much on the road that will hang with it



My wife got really sick again. She had a hernia and her small intestine pushed through it. Her poopy got lodged in the hernia and ruptured her intestine. she had 18 inches of her intestine removed.. she was in a coma for a week and came to..they sent her home 5 days later and she developed a entercavernous fissula. which is a small hole in her intestine. she was in the hospital for 6 weeks..she got home a week ago and has a colostomy bad..the sissula was supposed to heal on its own, buts its not. shell have to have surgery soon to have it repaird..been a tough couple months.

I don't know your financial situation, but shouldn't you hold off on spending that kind of money when your wife is having all these problems?

Also, 638 hp in a 2,400# car is going to be insane, but it could also be so insane it might be useless if all you can do is spin the tires.

I'll have to agree with the earlier views of this thread..... far from Advanced Tech.... closer to somebody's wet dream. Time to close it down.