Dry Sump Oil System in 2010 SS?

Haven't seen all the specs on the new SS, but will it have a dry sump system? I saw where the motor takes 8.9 qts of oil. Just wondering. I've got an old 78 Z that I may have to trade in for the SS.

Haven't seen all the specs on the new SS, but will it have a dry sump system? I saw where the motor takes 8.9 qts of oil. Just wondering. I've got an old 78 Z that I may have to trade in for the SS.99.9% sure it's not gonna have an expensive dry sump system and if I'm not mistaken the LS3 uses 6 quarts although I could be wrong.

99.9% sure it's not gonna have an expensive dry sump system and if I'm not mistaken the LS3 uses 6 quarts although I could be wrong.

GM's specification document says that the LS3 and L99 Camaros will need 8.9 quarts of oil. Could be a typo -- maybe it's supposed to be 5.9?

Just for comparison's sake, the LS1 and LS2 use 5.5 quarts of oil.

Haven't seen all the specs on the new SS, but will it have a dry sump system? I saw where the motor takes 8.9 qts of oil. Just wondering. I've got an old 78 Z that I may have to trade in for the SS.

just FYI, after working at a dealership, I can honestly say you with a straight face that you will get $100-$500 for your old 78 Z(28?). If its in GREAT condition, maybe they'll bump you up to $700.

the coupe/convertible ls3 vette take 5.5/5.2
and the Z06 takes 8/7.5

source : http://www.thevettenet.com/2008Specs.pdf

take it however you want

No, its 8.9 qts. I belive GTO's LS1 and LS2 had a massive oil pan as well. I dont know wtf for, but 9 qts x 6.50 a quart of Mobil 1 or Q 5w30 gets expensive!!!
9 qts is 1 qt short of the Z06 and ZR1's 10 qt dry sump system.
I dont remember reading anything about dry sump. If that is teh case, that kinda sucks. You wont be able to do your own oil change anymore unless you have some sort of vacuum machine....

Good info guys. Just joined the website. It's a good one. If I decide to buy one of these bad boys I probably will sell the car outright. It's in rough shape, but I still had offers of $2,000 over the winter. I've had the car since 78, bought it brand new and haven't parted with it yet cause I know I'll be kicking myself if I do. Real excited about the new SS, but don't know if I can afford one (one kid in college, another one 2 yrs away). Was questioning the oil only because the amount seemed extreme. Can wait to see one in the showroom. Have a good weekend ...

It is to compensate for the 4 qts you will burn every 3000mi ;)

I thought it was a typo as well, but the V-6 numbers are high also.

G8 GT takes close to 9qts.

GM's specification document says that the LS3 and L99 Camaros will need 8.9 quarts of oil. Could be a typo -- maybe it's supposed to be 5.9?

Just for comparison's sake, the LS1 and LS2 use 5.5 quarts of oil.

My LS2 actually calls for 6.5 qts of oil with the filter installed.

the LS3 in the corvette says between 5.5 and 6 qts with filter, depending if it has an oil cooler or not.

The LS7 uses 8.

Hmmmm.... I'm pretty sure its a wet system but I suppose the increased capacity ranges from decreased oil change intervals to possibly using the increased capacity to offer more stable oil temps, or maybe even just to make sure there are no starvation problems in the twisties. However I'll go with my first guess as the most probable. I know Ford went with 6 quarts in the new GT and 5k change intervals instead of 3k intervals and 5 quarts.

It is to compensate for the 4 qts you will burn every 3000mi ;)

I resent that!!! :p My car didn't start burning oil 'til after I changed my 'verter. Now, I can go through about a quart in 3K miles. It's not bad, just a little disappointing.

Hmmmm.... I'm pretty sure its a wet system but I suppose the increased capacity ranges from decreased oil change intervals to possibly using the increased capacity to offer more stable oil temps, or maybe even just to make sure there are no starvation problems in the twisties. However I'll go with my first guess as the most probable. I know Ford went with 6 quarts in the new GT and 5k change intervals instead of 3k intervals and 5 quarts.

I'll buy this one. It's hard to believe how much oil actually contributes to cooling the engine, not just for lubrication. I've read an engine can, under some circumstances, run for minutes, without oil in the pan. I imagine GM will probably suggest 10K oil changes with that amount of oil in the engine.

Maybe those are metric quarts...
























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I've read an engine can, under some circumstances, run for minutes, without oil in the pan.

During the LS1's development, GM ran a torture test on the engine. They ran it with no oil in the engine at wide-open throttle until it seized. IIRC, it took a couple hours for that to happen.

Hmmmm.... I'm pretty sure its a wet system but I suppose the increased capacity ranges from decreased oil change intervals to possibly using the increased capacity to offer more stable oil temps, or maybe even just to make sure there are no starvation problems in the twisties. However I'll go with my first guess as the most probable. I know Ford went with 6 quarts in the new GT and 5k change intervals instead of 3k intervals and 5 quarts.
Im not sure of the more stable oil temps for daily driving. You also have to remember that more oil will also make it take longer to heat up, resulting in poorer overall emissions, less evaporation of condensation (bad) during short, cold startups and also maybe even faster wear and tear on the engine during the long haul.

Probably will take more time to heat up, but once its up to operating temperature it wont cool down as fast and it wouldn't be as susceptible to spikes in temperature where a smaller volume of oil would.

drag racers use this trick to make automatic transmissions more consistant by plumbling in an additional reservior of fluid and keep overall trans temp more consistant despite varying operating conditions as the car does its work.

Just speculation on my part for all of it, 10 quarts of oil is a hella lot of oil in any event.

just FYI, after working at a dealership, I can honestly say you with a straight face that you will get $100-$500 for your old 78 Z(28?). If its in GREAT condition, maybe they'll bump you up to $700.

Yeah, they don't give a damn what an old Camaro is really worth. They offered me $800 for my 83 Z/28 back in 96 for our Monte Carlo Z34. I am SOOO glad I kept it.

BTW, if it's in great shape, you can bet they would try to sell it at a hell of a premium!

I work as a cooling engineer for diesel engines, so I can tell you a bit of knowledge I've picked up. Not everything is exact for gas, but I'm betting it'll be close.

As for how much heat the oil picks up, its about 30% of the total heat load that is pulled off the engine. The other 70% would go to the radiator. Windage effects on cars could change the balance, the stuff I work on never goes faster than 15 mph.

The larger volume will theoretically have zero effect on the steady state temps of the oil. It will of course effect the time to heat up or cool down the mass of the oil. As a couple others have said, this would take the spikes out. Again, windage on a large oil pan could help lower the temps however.

As for the high volumes, the SS's are getting oil coolers, correct? The coolers and the lines that route to them will certainly hold some amount of oil. That might well be the difference right there. If the routing paths don't all drain to the pan at a constant downslope, that might explain why a vaccum system would be needed.

On a personal note, is it wrong that I think of a 6.2L engine as small? :D

Windage effects on cars could change the balance, the stuff I work on never goes faster than 15 mph.

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Again, windage on a large oil pan could help lower the temps however.
I don't think windage means what you think it means.

Windage is the frothing effect that a spinning crank has on the oil in the pan. Nothing to do with vehicle speed.

As for the high volumes, the SS's are getting oil coolers, correct?
Yep. :)

On a personal note, is it wrong that I think of a 6.2L engine as small? :D

No! My father-in-law (sailbrd on this forum) has a Buick with a 462ci big block. It's almost big enough. :lol: His buddy has a 540ci Mercury... that's more like it. :yes:

Sorry, "Windage" is a word we use at work to describe heat loss from oil tanks due to you guessed it, wind. You are absolutly right, it can also mean oil being pumped unintentionally by rotating components. I should have been more descriptive in my text.

The largest engine I've worked on is a 78.0 L monster. No, that isn't a mis-type. 1600 HP and ~8500 ft*lbs. I have a hard time relating to people freaking out about 300 lbs in the other forums =]

On a personal note, is it wrong that I think of a 6.2L engine as small? :D

Lol, depends, 6.2L is pretty big for us Ford mod motor guys :D

Smallblock Ford/GM guys might think anything bigger than 7.5L is pretty big

had an 05 gto n it used alot of oil n mobil 1 is not cheap