andy katzelis 07-22-2008, 10:24 PM Any body have any results on their ram air setup and how effective it was in increasing 1/4 mile mph?
I put on 2 mph with the setup shown below.
http://i37.tinypic.com/28upi5g.jpg
AL SS590 M6 07-23-2008, 07:55 AM The SSRA on my 00 formy was good for a solid 1mph at 110mph. Haven't tested it at my level now. Might just do that.
1SlowFormula 07-23-2008, 02:40 PM nice andy it is a straighter shot then mine...
I have the same thing but it snakes out and down in front of the radiator to a 3X12 opening under the front end, I got about 2 MPH out of it too...
tireburnin 07-23-2008, 03:54 PM Is that for real?
Why not do something relatively clean with it instead of a PVC tube out the hood? Maybe mold a scoop into the hood or something.
I'm not blindly talking smack (I have a custom ram air intake too), but that is a bit farther than I would go.
tomcowle 07-23-2008, 09:07 PM Andy, that set-up rocks...the quest for speed is strong within this young jedi...
andy katzelis 07-23-2008, 10:50 PM I took a hard look at ram airs for quite some time. It seems the most effective one was on a 70 something firebird. It had the two scoops on the leading edge of the hood raised up 2 inches off the hood, or so. It puts the scoop right in a high pressure air stream as the air is forced around the front of the car. Most others like cowl hoods are secondary (at least in my mind) ram airs, they wait for pressure to build then ram air backward into the ducts (to lame to mimic), although they certainly look way cool.
AL-post your testing for everyone.
1slowformula-I thought about using the two fake openings the firebird has (are they fog light mounts?) and tying them into a single tube up and over the radiatior into the TB. Seemed like to much work and to many turns. Sounds like it does work and would look nice.
tireburnin-I just bought some sheet steel to make a scoop. It'll be removeable or have a sealable opening. I have till the snows falls for that, shouldn't take that long. What's shown is the "race trim" package. I'm also going to paint the hood black.
cowle-dam straight!
tireburnin 07-24-2008, 11:38 AM 1slowformula-I thought about using the two fake openings the firebird has (are they fog light mounts?) and tying them into a single tube up and over the radiatior into the TB. Seemed like to much work and to many turns. Sounds like it does work and would look nice.
I think you mean something like this?
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I call it the "LT1 Gulp" because it somewhat follows the design of Madman's "Big Gulp" for his LS1 cars. I built/designed it out of aluminum. These pictures are early in the build process. It is now painted black like the center of the bumper and blends in well. I picked up 2+ mph in the 8th mile with it.
chads97z 07-24-2008, 01:20 PM this looks like a bad ass set up that would force a lot of air into the engine... 1 concern - air filter?????
im actually in the middle of doing something like this, just debating where to put the filter, and what type of filter to use
tireburnin 07-24-2008, 01:51 PM Definately not a street car mod. I run a layer of screen and a layer of fabric in the top of the cone area. I am sure some dirt gets by, but my car sees less than 100 miles per year. It is a risk vs. reward thing. I would not do this on a street car.
tomcowle 07-24-2008, 03:21 PM tireburnin, wanna send one of those my way? That is a sweet set-up. make a price up and let me know.
andy katzelis 07-24-2008, 05:55 PM tireburnin - The front end of a firebird is different than a camaro and I don't have the radiator in the stock location anymore. That would not work for me. It is an excellent piece of work. Nice job!
Do you not run the car in the quarter?
tireburnin 07-24-2008, 06:56 PM tireburnin - The front end of a firebird is different than a camaro and I don't have the radiator in the stock location anymore. That would not work for me. It is an excellent piece of work. Nice job!
Do you not run the car in the quarter?
I'm familiar with the shape of the Firebird, I was just showing that where there is a will, there is a way. I originally set out to use the fog lights for air, but the person who helped me build this setup had this idea.
We cutout the center of the bumper (leaving the vertical supports by the fog lights) and made a face plate for the bumper. I will be working on some block off plates in the fog light area to force more air in and make for a cleaner look. After painting it looks great and the black leaves the impression of a stock bumper without the red chevy emblem.
Around here we only have 8th mile tracks. The nearest 1/4 is 3 hours away. The intake made significant middle and top end difference. So much more air over the K&N FIPK that I had to add fuel. After tuning for the intake I picked up 2mph and ran near my personal best NA in 2200 feet of air more than my best.
tireburnin 07-24-2008, 07:15 PM tireburnin, wanna send one of those my way? That is a sweet set-up. make a price up and let me know.
Haha.
I had a neighbor who does custom metal work make it with me. There is probably $80 in supplys and I am a couple of hundred into it labor wise. It wouldn't be cheap if I had to reproduce it.
I am swaping to an LS3 setup and guess which part is staying around for the new motor?;):D
AL SS590 M6 07-25-2008, 07:05 AM AL-post your testing for everyone.
With the LS1 and an SSRA I use the stock air box, filter, and an aftermarket lid. You cut out the bottom of the air box and the SSRA feeds thru there. I built a block off plate for the factory front opening so that all of the pressure/feed was from the bottom. Then I built a plate to block off the bottom. So then I could run with plate 1 = factory intake or plate 2 SSRA only.
On consecutive runs 2 SSRA then 2 factory with only a minute to swap plates. Then 2 SSRA again. All SSRA runs were 1 tenth et and 1 mph better that factory.
1SlowFormula 07-25-2008, 11:17 AM tireburnin - that is a great looking system, I started fabbing something like that up but it was taking too long and I couldn't get it right, so I went the cheap way...
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair.jpg (http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair.jpg)
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair1.jpg (http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair1.jpg)
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair2.jpg (http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair2.jpg)
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair3.jpg (http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair3.jpg)
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair4.jpg (http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair4.jpg)
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair5.jpg (http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair5.jpg)
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair6.jpg (http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair6.jpg)
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair7.jpg (http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair7.jpg)
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair8.jpg (http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair8.jpg)
tomcowle 07-25-2008, 11:49 AM John, I'm digging that coupler!!!
I need to fab something up, I need something to help my piece mph a little.
1SlowFormula 07-25-2008, 03:02 PM John, I'm digging that coupler!!!
I need to fab something up, I need something to help my piece mph a little.
Actually I have only gotten 1 good pass on the car with this setup, because I just did it a little while back after you got the bolt-on record, I needed something to help me get a little more, so you can't steal it, LOL...
slomarao 07-25-2008, 04:40 PM you two guys make me laugh. Edging each other out for the record. Makes for some good online conversations.
I liked it best when an m6 guy still had the record.
tomcowle 07-25-2008, 05:52 PM Actually I have only gotten 1 good pass on the car with this setup, because I just did it a little while back after you got the bolt-on record, I needed something to help me get a little more, so you can't steal it, LOL...
I promise not to use that style coupler (can I use black duct tape?).
John, I promise I'll stop in the mid to upper 11.50's this fall and thats it. lol!
Slo, John is a good guy and I hope to meet him some day in the future and maybe the air will cooperate with a nice head to head match-up.
onebadponcho 07-25-2008, 07:30 PM tireburnin - that is a great looking system, I started fabbing something like that up but it was taking too long and I couldn't get it right, so I went the cheap way...
Holy crap, is that duct tape and dryer hose? :eek:
1SlowFormula 07-25-2008, 11:14 PM Holy crap, is that duct tape and dryer hose? :eek:
well yes it is, but the duct tape is mainly just there for the hose clamp so the screw style clamp didn't tear up the dryer hose, that and it allowed it to seal a little better too since the dryer hose is 4" and it is connecting to the 3" MAF housing... :lol:
tomcowle 07-28-2008, 06:50 PM I hit up the local plumbing supply house today to build my RAM-AIR set up. I decided to use the abandoned fog lamp opening(s) in-lieu of the set-ups shown above made by others. My biggest dilemma is deciding how to make the turn from in front of the radiator, there is not alot of room there to make the turn going back to the intake.
1SlowFormula 07-31-2008, 09:57 PM I hit up the local plumbing supply house today to build my RAM-AIR set up. I decided to use the abandoned fog lamp opening(s) in-lieu of the set-ups shown above made by others. My biggest dilemma is deciding how to make the turn from in front of the radiator, there is not alot of room there to make the turn going back to the intake.
That's why I cut out the upper rad. support, LOL...
Look closely and you can see it...
http://www.1slowformula.com/images/ramair4.jpg
rock1501 08-01-2008, 12:27 AM That looks sick
tomcowle 08-01-2008, 02:32 PM Wow john thats a pretty extreme way of doing it. I laid my radiator back a little further, got rid of the large plastic radiator support then made a plenum that feeds back to intake.
1SlowFormula 08-01-2008, 05:18 PM Wow john thats a pretty extreme way of doing it. I laid my radiator back a little further, got rid of the large plastic radiator support then made a plenum that feeds back to intake.
Oh I did all that too, but I had to go extreme to beat you, LOL...
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