A few price concerns...

Hey all, looong time reader, first time poster here!

Let me start by saying that I realize pricing will be the last part of the puzzle and that no pricing is set.

Let me follow that by stating I am a Camaro enthusiast, and do not intend to complain or slam GM in any way with this post. The car is absolutely stunning so far!

My concern:

We've been told that this car will be priced comparable to the Mustang. I was very optimistic that I could pick up a V8 for at or near 30G, regardless if it was "top dog" or not.

Do you think GM is going to price the 300 HP V6 with the Mustang GT? And the SS with the GT500 range. Call me crazy, I just think a 422 HP machine will be a lil more than 30G. Like maybe the in the 40G range.

I intended on buying a V8 and still hope to do so, however 40,000 is a lil over my price range. I will say a 300HP V6 with a 6 speed and an RS package is something to think about, but is 30G a lil much for a V6? And will you lose street cred running around in a V6 with the LS3 also on the streets?

I love this new camaro and fully intend to order one as soon as we can. I just hope Chevy realizes that when this car hits the roads, they will have competiton in the price dept. Something Ford didnt have when the new Stang hit the streets....

Worse case scenerio, I'llbe looking for a 2002 SLP SS in Sunburst Orange Metallic, but I'm not throwing in the towel on ordering a 5th gen.

And i WILL NOT defunct to another manufacturer...

Oh yeah,

Thanks Team Camaro! Job well done!

I think the base price will be closer to that of the Challenger. Just a shot in the dark but I bet the RS will be around the Mustang GT price. With the Camaro though you really get a lot more car for your dollar.

I expect the LS to be priced very competitively, possibly less than $25k. (Perhaps a lot less.)

I think the base price will be closer to that of the Challenger. Just a shot in the dark but I bet the RS will be around the Mustang GT price. With the Camaro though you really get a lot more car for your dollar.

I think you mean the V6 will be around the Mustang GT price. The RS package can be had on either a V6 vehicle or on the SS (V8). I have no idea about pricing but if GM says it will be competitive with the Mustang I would think that the V6 would be aimed at their V6 and the SS at the GT.

I certainly don't expect the V6 Camaro to start at 19k like Mustang does, but it will probably be somewhat less than GT.

I would also say it's a safe bet that the SS models won't be price around the GT 500.

The V6 isn't going to be against the GT nor the SS against the GT500
v6 camaro to v6 mustang
ss camaro to GT mustang
future Z or whatever camaro to gt500 or whatever

I do imagine the camaro will be a little more then it's mustang counter part and when that's brought up we'll be told 'well look at how much more you get for the value' :rolleyes: that seems to be the usual routine.

Also if spoiler isn't on the SS camaro by default it makes it look yucky so I can see the possibility were we are forced to add an expensive RS package just to get basic good looks.
Which leads to commercials that say starting at $19,995 as shown with basic stuff your pretty much will always want $35,850. Again not cool.

I think you mean the V6 will be around the Mustang GT price. The RS package can be had on either a V6 vehicle or on the SS (V8). I have no idea about pricing but if GM says it will be competitive with the Mustang I would think that the V6 would be aimed at their V6 and the SS at the GT.

yeah I was referring to the V6, that is the one with the RS badge. V6 RS will probably be Mustang GT priced. SS will probably be close to G8 GT prices.

here are my estimated starting msrp's:

ls--20,500-21,500
lt--22,200-23,000
ss(l99)--27,500-29,000
ss(ls3)--32,000-33,000
z28(if it ever comes)--43,000-46,000

and the rs appereance package to cost about $2,000-$3,000
start adding other options from here

The V6 isn't going to be against the GT nor the SS against the GT500
v6 camaro to v6 mustang
ss camaro to GT mustang
future Z or whatever camaro to gt500 or whatever

I do imagine the camaro will be a little more then it's mustang counter part and when that's brought up we'll be told 'well look at how much more you get for the value' :rolleyes: that seems to be the usual routine.

Also if spoiler isn't on the SS camaro by default it makes it look yucky so I can see the possibility were we are forced to add an expensive RS package just to get basic good looks.
Which leads to commercials that say starting at $19,995 as shown with basic stuff your pretty much will always want $35,850. Again not cool.

it has already been stated the ss has the spoiler standard

how can it be priced so closely to the vette? 40k? I dont think so im guessing it will be priced much like the gto and g8 in the low 30s for the ss
Remember the camaro is the poor mans corvette

here are my estimated starting msrp's:

ls--20,500-21,500
lt--22,200-23,000
ss(l99)--27,500-29,000
ss(ls3)--32,000-33,000
z28(if it ever comes)--43,000-46,000

and the rs appereance package to cost about $2,000-$3,000
start adding other options from here
I don't see any reason to think there will be any price difference between the manual and auto SS models.

They may make the manual around $700 more. The GTO and the Challenger both charged/charge $695 more for the 6M.

Let's hope you are right JP2005, because I would absolutely pay 33,000 for that LS3 camaro, with no questions asked. And I'd pay the 2,000 for the RS package.....

the AFM on the auto may take up that price difference, and possibly even surpass it, making the auto more expensive... at this point only a few people know, and they ain't talking...

My question is WHEN are we gonna get pricing... thats probably up in the air too...

I doubt the RS package will be anywhere near that much on the SS, SS has all RS stuff standard, other than HID headlights, so you'll only be paying for them...

I think a lot will depend on dealers. I blame dealer mark ups for the low sales of the GTO along with some bland Grand Am styling.

I would expect the pricing of the Camaro to be close to that of the G8's. Hopefully less (Pontiacs usually cost more than their Chevrolet counter parts) but its hard to say in this case.

I agree with Freak. While the RS package may very well run 2k plus on the LT, I'd guess it will be a few hundred on the SS.

I'd be pretty happy with an LT-RS for 25k.

I agree with Freak. While the RS package may very well run 2k plus on the LT, I'd guess it will be a few hundred on the SS.

I'd be pretty happy with an LT-RS for 25k.

V6 24000-24500...JMO, and add $2250 for the RS package. They can not compete pricing wise with the BASE BARE BONES V6 Mustang at 19735 when popping a 300HP motor in the car. Honestly, if they strip the car down enough to get to low 20's for the V6, I'll be sadly disappointed that they stooped so low on this vehicle and it'll show in the finished product...

SS auto/m6 pricing probably to mimic the GTO where the M6 was about $900 additional but the A4 had the gas guzzler tax; pretty much a wash.

SS 32500-33500 w/ RS package on either auto/m6 adding $2700 because they'll package it with a 72 speaker, 28 disc CD (obviously exaggerating) sound system and a bunch of other BS to include the only leather seating option. When did GM "package" what you really wanted without forcing you into a bunch of crap you didn't? Still, at 36,200 for an SS/RS (my guess), it's sales should blow the doors off the Challenger SRT selling for 5k more...

That's the problem though... TELL ME what the pricing is (even a +/- $1000 fudge factor) so I don't consider a Challenger while waiting for the pricing release, followed by production release, followed by ADM getting under control...

You, me, anyone, right now is looking at 7 months before a dealer even has one and probably another 4 or 5 months before we're not paying 10,5,3k over sticker... That's a year people. I can factory order any Challenger model at or slightly below sticker RIGHT NOW. GM needs to get the pricing released to take away my temptation and probably countless others'.

Im sorry, thats a hell of a car, but 36,500 is no where close to competively priced with a GT. Ecspecially when you add the crooked dealer mark ups

Im sorry, thats a hell of a car, but 36,500 is no where close to competively priced with a GT. Ecspecially when you add the crooked dealer mark ups

Competitive or not, how much do you really expect in today's dollars to pay for a 400+ HP car? My 04 GTO stickered at 33,600 with a 350HP LS1. That was 4 years ago... Granted the marketing was so poor on it that I got almost 7k off sticker near model year end. That was NOT the case for the 05-06 models with the LS2. They pretty much held within $1000 of the roughly 34k sticker. How bad does a 35-36k SS really look in that comparison?

I would pay 33-35 for the SS, but that is absoulutely pushing it for me.

I agree 33-35 for a 422Hp car is reasonable, but thats what I'm hoping it will cost, I expect it to sticker around 42,000 though.

God I hope I am wrong!:rolleyes:

I would pay 33-35 for the SS, but that is absoulutely pushing it for me.

I agree 33-35 for a 422Hp car is reasonable, but thats what I'm hoping it will cost, I expect it to sticker around 42,000 though.

God I hope I am wrong!:rolleyes:

If the SS stickers for anything over $34K without the RS package (even THAT is really pushing it), I hope the whole Camaro project tanks, because they would then have failed miserably at keeping it competitive with the Mustang. I'll pay a $4K "premium" over the Mustang, and that is it.

gm needs to deliver a v6 camaro for less than a v6 mustang

and a v8 camaro less than a v8 mustang. point blank.

if they think they will sell a bunch in the 30k range..think again.

credit is horrible right now. i would know..i sell cars for a living.

the economy is horrible right now..and not likely to be much better soon.

so if you think a camaro for 35k with a v8 getting 23 mpg is going to suffice next year when gas might be in the 5-6$ / gal range you might want to rethink your budget...unless you have a lot of money to blow.

people can not get approved for a pot to piss in right now. banks are strapped and tightening up on loans...foreclosures are everywhere. i won't be buying this camaro unless every model is cheaper than a mustang and by that i mean the v6 camaro must be cheaper thana v6 mustang, and a v8 maro must be cheaper than a v8 mustang

V6 24000-24500...JMO, and add $2250 for the RS package. They can not compete pricing wise with the BASE BARE BONES V6 Mustang at 19735 when popping a 300HP motor in the car. Honestly, if they strip the car down enough to get to low 20's for the V6, I'll be sadly disappointed that they stooped so low on this vehicle and it'll show in the finished product...

That's why I said I'd be thrilled with one at 25k - I'd feel that was a bargain. 27-28k for a nicely equipped LT RS would not surprise me.

However, when you say "popping a 300HP motor in the car" you have to remember that the 3.6 is essentially "the" GM V6 now and even the Direct Injection version will be in all of the Lambdas by next year. The non DI is in some version of virtually every car GM makes now. I'd guess economies of scale start to kick in.

I won't be buying this camaro unless every model is cheaper than a mustang and by that i mean the v6 camaro must be cheaper thana v6 mustang, and a v8 maro must be cheaper than a v8 mustang

You won't be buying a Camaro, then. Bob Lutz, Fbodfather, everyone on the development team has already said many times over that the Camaro will be a premium over the Mustang. I mean, the barest bones V6 will have an IRS...

well i guess your right. ill wait til gas drives people to sell their 4th gens and save 20 grand and buy a good condition z28 or ss

Dodge is able to price the Challenger V-6 at 22k so GM will need to match the entry Camaro price to that. Challenger also has IRS. Now the SS has the power to match the SRT but I feel should be priced with the R/T and the GT Mustang. The Challenger R/T with cloth interior starts at 29,995, Camaro should be lower than this by a little with the base SS. A fully loaded Mustang GT special edition BULLET car can be had for 33k. A Camaro SS with leather should be under that and fully equiped needs to fall in under 35K

Most folks except for the hardcore dont care about HP Just MPG and what will it cost me per month. Its great the the base Camaro has 300hp but most folks in that market wont care about HP if it cost more than the Mustang and Challenger per month for a loan or lease.

the AFM on the auto may take up that price difference, and possibly even surpass it, making the auto more expensive... at this point only a few people know, and they ain't talking...

My question is WHEN are we gonna get pricing... thats probably up in the air too...

I was also thinking the L99 with AFM will be at or exceed the M6 price :)

I love the fact that GM has announced no pricing other than it will be competitively priced against the Mustang and everyone is up in arms about it costing too much. :lol:

If the SS stickers for anything over $34K without the RS package (even THAT is really pushing it), I hope the whole Camaro project tanks, because they would then have failed miserably at keeping it competitive with the Mustang. I'll pay a $4K "premium" over the Mustang, and that is it.

You won't be buying a Camaro, then. Bob Lutz, Fbodfather, everyone on the development team has already said many times over that the Camaro will be a premium over the Mustang. I mean, the barest bones V6 will have an IRS...

Start with what we know-> nothing with relationship to the Camaro pricing.

We do have Mustang and Challenger base line pricing:

MUSTANG:
Basic (and I mean basic) V6 Mustang -> $20,530 MSRP inc dest chg.

Loaded to the max GT Mustang-> $35,375 inc Bullitt pkg and 2k for the touch-screen nav.

CHALLENGER:

Base SE w/ V6 (250HP)-> $21,995
Base RT w/ V8 (357HP)-> $29,995
Loaded to the max SRT8 (425HP)-> 44,325 inc (1700 gas guz, 695 6-sp, and 890 for myGIG multimedia sys w/GPS)

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V6 models:
mustang $20,530-$22,530 vs challenger $21,995-$24,790

V8 models:
mustang $27,220-$35,375 vs challenger $29,995-$44,325

IMO, it's reasonable to guess the following based on Camaro pricing "being in line" with Mustang and Challenger:

V6 Camaro 22 min to 26 loaded
V8 Camaro 33 min to 39 loaded since there is no intermediate V8, just the 400+ hp LS3 or L99

Based on what I've seen Scott and others in the know say, I am guessing the following:

Camaro LS: $21,000
Camaro LT: $24,000
Camaro RS: $27,000
Camaro SS: $29,000 (L99+6L80 and LS3+TR6060 being the same price)
Camaro RS/SS: $30,000

Additional options on top of those basic packages will be able to increase the cost even more. Checking every option box should have you end up around $35,000. I also expect that the V6 cars will have a ~$1000 premium for the automatic transmission option. :)

This also fits fairly well with the pricing of the G8, which is larger and targets a higher-content market. An RS/SS and a G8 GT have a lot in common, and I've priced them just about the same. :)

Based on what I've seen Scott and others in the know say, I am guessing the following:

Camaro LS: $21,000
Camaro LT: $24,000
Camaro RS: $27,000
Camaro SS: $29,000 (L99+6L80 and LS3+TR6060 being the same price)
Camaro RS/SS: $30,000

Additional options on top of those basic packages will be able to increase the cost even more. Checking every option box should have you end up around $35,000. I also expect that the V6 cars will have a ~$1000 premium for the automatic transmission option. :)

This also fits fairly well with the pricing of the G8, which is larger and targets a higher-content market. An RS/SS and a G8 GT have a lot in common, and I've priced them just about the same. :)If I had to guess, I'd say you're fairly close, although I suspect only the "stripper SS" will be under $30k. :p

If I had to guess, I'd say you're fairly close, although I suspect only the "stripper SS" will be under $30k. :p

How does that differ from what I said? I listed an SS with no other options at 29k.

How does that differ from what I said? I listed an SS with no other options at 29k.I think it'll be $29,995. :p

Damn, according to jakerobb's estimate, it would mean the RS would cost about $3000 for the upgrade. OUCH!

Based on what I've seen Scott and others in the know say, I am guessing the following:

Camaro LS: $21,000
Camaro LT: $24,000
Camaro RS: $27,000
Camaro SS: $29,000 (L99+6L80 and LS3+TR6060 being the same price)
Camaro RS/SS: $30,000

Additional options on top of those basic packages will be able to increase the cost even more. Checking every option box should have you end up around $35,000. I also expect that the V6 cars will have a ~$1000 premium for the automatic transmission option. :)

This also fits fairly well with the pricing of the G8, which is larger and targets a higher-content market. An RS/SS and a G8 GT have a lot in common, and I've priced them just about the same. :)

I hope your right. :)

Damn, according to jakerobb's estimate, it would mean the RS would cost about $3000 for the upgrade. OUCH!

You know, when I picked out those prices, I was thinking that the larger wheels and tires were part of the RS package. While that may be true, we can't say for sure.

If they are, then I'd say my quote for the V6 RS is about right. If they're not, then maybe not so much.

To be perfectly honest, I have no idea what's in the RS package outside of badges and HIDs.

Start with what we know-> nothing with relationship to the Camaro pricing...

IMO, it's reasonable to guess the following based on Camaro pricing "being in line" with Mustang and Challenger:

V6 Camaro 22 min to 26 loaded
V8 Camaro 33 min to 39 loaded since there is no intermediate V8, just the 400+ hp LS3 or L99

Based on what I've seen Scott and others in the know say, I am guessing the following:

Camaro LS: $21,000
Camaro LT: $24,000
Camaro RS: $27,000
Camaro SS: $29,000 (L99+6L80 and LS3+TR6060 being the same price)
Camaro RS/SS: $30,000

Additional options on top of those basic packages will be able to increase the cost even more. Checking every option box should have you end up around $35,000. I also expect that the V6 cars will have a ~$1000 premium for the automatic transmission option. :)

This also fits fairly well with the pricing of the G8, which is larger and targets a higher-content market. An RS/SS and a G8 GT have a lot in common, and I've priced them just about the same. :)

I hope your right. :)

Again, my opinion only, I think JakeRobb is a couple grand light right down the line with the RS/SS probably being 3-4k light. In it's infinite wisdom, there is no way GM lets you put an RS package on a base SS. They'll make you add the "leather and stereo upgrade" package or something similar first before allowing the RS addition. Although I will admit that I'm leaning towards the possibility of a base model V8 SS coming in around $31000 vs the $33000 I wrote earlier putting the fully optioned out RS/SS at roughly $38,000 if/when HUD, nav, etc are available.

Question? Is it RS/SS or SS/RS ?

You know, when I picked out those prices, I was thinking that the larger wheels and tires were part of the RS package. While that may be true, we can't say for sure.

If they are, then I'd say my quote for the V6 RS is about right. If they're not, then maybe not so much.

From what I've seen, 20 inch wheels and tires are part of the RS package on the LT:

HID headlamps
spoiler
20-inch 5-spoke wheel
RS unique taillamp,
body-color roof ditch molding
RS badging (front and rear)

on the SS I think it only adds the headlamps and taillamp treatment. Not sure if the SS has the roof ditch molding standard? I know it already has the nice wheels and spoiler standard.

Jake Robb....


I hope you are right! And if you are, where do I sign for an SS with RS package?????:yes::yes::yes:

I see it being more like this:

Camaro LS: $21,000
Camaro LT: $22,000
Camaro RS: $24,000
Camaro SS: $28,000 (L99+6L80 and LS3+TR6060 being the same price) although I think the auto is going to be a bit more expensive then the manual on the V8.
Camaro RS/SS: $30,000

What do we know of the differences between the LS and LT? Just the wheels? Surely it's more then that.

gm needs to deliver a v6 camaro for less than a v6 mustang

and a v8 camaro less than a v8 mustang. point blank.


You won't be buying a Camaro, then. Bob Lutz, Fbodfather, everyone on the development team has already said many times over that the Camaro will be a premium over the Mustang. I mean, the barest bones V6 will have an IRS...

I see this overlooked quite a bit. I personally see comparing the Camaro to Mustang sort of like comparing a BMW to a Volkswagon. Nothing wrong with either, but the BMW tends to be a much higher quality car. This is just a generalization, but keep that in mind with the whole weight/price thing.

Damn, according to jakerobb's estimate, it would mean the RS would cost about $3000 for the upgrade. OUCH!

To be perfectly honest, I have no idea what's in the RS package outside of badges and HIDs.

I think I read somewhere that the console gauges were optional....probably just a mag. article with bad facts, but things like that on the inside could be a part as well. Interior trim pieces, etc.

I see it being more like this:

Camaro LS: $21,000
Camaro LT: $22,000
Camaro RS: $24,000
Camaro SS: $28,000 (L99+6L80 and LS3+TR6060 being the same price) although I think the auto is going to be a bit more expensive then the manual on the V8.
Camaro RS/SS: $30,000

What do we know of the differences between the LS and LT? Just the wheels? Surely it's more then that.

You're in a pipe dream if you think the SS/RS (RS/SS) will be under 32k.

The console gauges aren't standard, but I haven't caught what qualifies as the "premium interior" they come with yet. I've just heard them say "on the nicer interiors you get these." In one of the chats I think they said that LT also added foglights and power drivers seat in addition to the wheels. I'd guess seat fabric will be nicer, too. I'm assuming leather will be an option as the red RS appears to have it.

Primus, I don't see why the RS package would be 2k on the SS. It's really only adding the lights.

The console gauges aren't standard, but I haven't caught what qualifies as the "premium interior" they come with yet. I've just heard them say "on the nicer interiors you get these." In one of the chats I think they said that LT also added foglights and power drivers seat in addition to the wheels. I'd guess seat fabric will be nicer, too. I'm assuming leather will be an option as the red RS appears to have it.

Primus, I don't see why the RS package would be 2k on the SS. It's really only adding the lights.


"with HID headlamps with integrated halo ring feature, spoiler, specific taillamps"

but the "real" money add on (in my opinion) will be what package you will be required to buy to add the RS option. As I stated earlier, something like leather and stereo upgrade would be my guess. So while the actual RS package may indeed be around $1500, by the time you get stuck with the "required" intermediate package, it'll really be $3000-3500. If something like the leather/stereo is something you wanted anyways, then it doesn't really matter; but if you simply want a base SS and try to add ONLY the RS to it, you're probably going to get screwed.

and spoiler and "appearance" package...

Not on the SS. SS has big wheels, rear spoiler and a unique front fascia standard. Those are not added to the SS via the RS package. ALL the RS adds to the SS are halo headlamps and the dark taillamps.[/QUOTE]

Not on the SS. SS has big wheels, rear spoiler and a unique front fascia standard. Those are not added to the SS via the RS package. ALL the RS adds to the SS are halo headlamps and the dark taillamps.

I know the SS has the 20" standard wheels but I've seen nowhere other than in the RS "package additions" on the Chevy website where it states that the SS automatically comes with the rear spoiler. Not saying it doesn't, just that I haven't seen it in writing from Chevy. I don't care what autoblog, road&track, or Edmunds writes until I see it from Chevy.

I know the SS has the 20" standard wheels but I've seen nowhere other than in the RS "package additions" on the Chevy website where it states that the SS automatically comes with the rear spoiler. Not saying it doesn't, just that I haven't seen it in writing from Chevy. I don't care what autoblog, road&track, or Edmunds writes until I see it from Chevy.

I was going with what was quoted on the RS thread here and not any of the auto sites. You're right. It's not in writing on the Camaro site right now from what I can see, but I find it very unlikely the SS won't have a standard spoiler.

...but I find it very unlikely the SS won't have a standard spoiler.

I just find very unlikely that they can price compete with the Mustang without making us pay extra for the "little things" like a spoiler that we normally feel should be included.

I just find very unlikely that they can price compete with the Mustang without making us pay extra for the "little things" like a spoiler that we normally feel should be included.

They've said it will be a "premium" over Mustang. Not way out of the ballpark, but a little more. Not like the spoiler costs much. HIDs are expensive, I can see why they'd be optional even on an SS.

At the Australian reveal they have what appears to be a non-RS (no halos) SS model and it has a spoiler:

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2010-chevrolet-camaro-reveal/941384//full/

There are several pictures of this car in other threads as well. There's no Chevrolet or SS badging on the rear, but otherwise looks like most of the production SS models we've seen.

whar more "content" does the G8 have vs. the camaro?

whar more "content" does the G8 have vs. the camaro?

Rear doors? :)

whar more "content" does the G8 have vs. the camaro?

Each comes with a window sticker WITH A PRICE.

Please god, prove me wrong, but I think everyone is living in fantasy world to assume the SS/RS will be any less than 42K.


God I hope I'm wrong.

Challenger SRT8 425 horses starts at 42,000

Shelby GT 500 500 horses starts mid 40's....

Please god, prove me wrong, but I think everyone is living in fantasy world to assume the SS/RS will be any less than 42K.


God I hope I'm wrong.

Challenger SRT8 425 horses starts at 42,000

Shelby GT 500 500 horses starts mid 40's....

That will be financial suicide to have an SS over 42k no matter what package it is. You should get a SS fully loaded around $37,000

That will be financial suicide to have an SS over 42k no matter what package it is. You should get a SS fully loaded around $37,000
Your right but I think $37,000 is still a bit high. Should be about $34,000-$35,000 fully loaded. Maybe it might hit $37,000 if you add some of the GM extras they're going to offer at the dealer. I would hope that when the Z/28 makes it's return that it would cost no more than $45,000. Here's hoping! :yes:

If the Z28 is over $45k then it will fail, the only people who would be getting one would be the collectors. $45k is the limit I set that I will not go over for one, if it's more I'll just be getting an SS. $45k get you a really nice Vette these days!

Please god, prove me wrong, but I think everyone is living in fantasy world to assume the SS/RS will be any less than 42K.
Z28, when it eventually comes out, will be the car that targets SRT8 and GT500 on price.

SS will be price-competitive with Mustang GT (26k) and Challenger RT (price not available yet). SS/RS will be competitive with the GT Premium (28k).

I don't know the above for a fact, but it would be a death sentence for Camaro if I'm wrong. Camaro simply can't be that expensive. Z28 has more freedom, but the V6 and the SS need to be within $2000 of Mustang's equivalents or it's just not going to sell.

Better question: will we be able to get GM Employee Discounts on the '11s?

Z28, when it eventually comes out, will be the car that targets SRT8 and GT500 on price.

SS will be price-competitive with Mustang GT (26k) and Challenger RT (price not available yet). SS/RS will be competitive with the GT Premium (28k).

I don't know the above for a fact, but it would be a death sentence for Camaro if I'm wrong. Camaro simply can't be that expensive. Z28 has more freedom, but the V6 and the SS need to be within $2000 of Mustang's equivalents or it's just not going to sell.

Pricing is available:
2009 Challenger R/T starting at 29,995. Order yours today...

Pricing is available:
2009 Challenger R/T starting at 29,995. Order yours today...

Dodge's site was being uncooperative at the time, and I couldn't find it elsewhere. Thanks. :)

Note that $29,995 is a LONG WAY OFF from 42k.

Hey all, looong time reader, first time poster here!

Let me start by saying that I realize pricing will be the last part of the puzzle and that no pricing is set.

Let me follow that by stating I am a Camaro enthusiast, and do not intend to complain or slam GM in any way with this post. The car is absolutely stunning so far!

My concern:

We've been told that this car will be priced comparable to the Mustang. I was very optimistic that I could pick up a V8 for at or near 30G, regardless if it was "top dog" or not.

Do you think GM is going to price the 300 HP V6 with the Mustang GT? And the SS with the GT500 range. Call me crazy, I just think a 422 HP machine will be a lil more than 30G. Like maybe the in the 40G range.

I intended on buying a V8 and still hope to do so, however 40,000 is a lil over my price range. I will say a 300HP V6 with a 6 speed and an RS package is something to think about, but is 30G a lil much for a V6? And will you lose street cred running around in a V6 with the LS3 also on the streets?

I love this new camaro and fully intend to order one as soon as we can. I just hope Chevy realizes that when this car hits the roads, they will have competiton in the price dept. Something Ford didnt have when the new Stang hit the streets....

Worse case scenerio, I'llbe looking for a 2002 SLP SS in Sunburst Orange Metallic, but I'm not throwing in the towel on ordering a 5th gen.

And i WILL NOT defunct to another manufacturer...

Oh yeah,

Thanks Team Camaro! Job well done!

Rest assured -- it will be apples to apples --

This car will be amazingly affordable -- esp. when you realize what comes standard with the car-- and the comfort in driving it day in and day out......

Rather than start a separate thread, I, too want to air my price concerns for Camaro's price, if or when, it arrives in Australia.

Holden have a habit of pricing vehicles at Holden/HSV friendly prices (i.e. above the RRP of these vehicles)... so to guarantee Camaro of good sales, please GM, price it reasonably. By that I mean at prices in line with the previous Monaro.

I did read an article some time back about Denny Mooney stating the car could be priced at very affordable levels - $AUD 50K was mentioned which is about right for the V6 (Aussies always pay too much for their cars even though our $AUD is now at parity with the $USD). If the Camaro is $AUD 80K or above then I do seriously believe that GM isn't serious about selling Camaro downunder. At those prices it would be competing with the smaller luxury Euro marques... and also Cadillac (when it does arrive downunder). It would be an opportunity lost for GM to establish itself in the Australian market if it were priced outside its target market IMO... and I consider myself its target market.

Otherwise, it's the HSV R8 which would be my only other choice.

Thanks for listening.

Holden have a habit of pricing vehicles at Holden/HSV friendly prices (i.e. above the RRP of these vehicles)... so to guarantee Camaro of good sales, please GM, price it reasonably. By that I mean at prices in line with the previous Monaro.
even though it was in english, i didnt understand any of that.

Thanks Scott, you make me feel soooo much better!!!:bow:

Thanks Scott, you make me feel soooo much better!!!:bow:

awwwwwwwwww :lol:

V6 RS at or under $25K would be KILLER. Not happening, though.


Try $28K+

even though it was in english, i didnt understand any of that.

By "HSV friendly prices", I mean bloody expensive! If Camaro V8 is priced above HSV entry level prices, then I don't think it will sell in great numbers.

Monaro was cheaper than the entry level HSV model, which was the Clubsport. I would hope the Camaro V8 is priced at the same level as Monaro (e.g. below the cheapest HSV model).

Looking back, I think my initial post was worded quite poorly. :think:

By "HSV friendly prices", I mean bloody expensive! If Camaro V8 is priced above HSV entry level prices, then I don't think it will sell in great numbers.

Monaro was cheaper than the entry level HSV model, which was the Clubsport. I would hope the Camaro V8 is priced at the same level as Monaro (e.g. below the cheapest HSV model).

Looking back, I think my initial post was worded quite poorly. :think:

the wording was just slightly tricky, it was just made even more so because of the foreign cars (to the US) mentioned.

I just find very unlikely that they can price compete with the Mustang without making us pay extra for the "little things" like a spoiler that we normally feel should be included.

The Dealer manual posted today on this thread

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=628241

says "SS - 400 or 422 horsepower 6.2 V8, 20-inch aluminum wheels, SS-unique front fascia, SS Spoiler..."

RS Appearance Package HID headlamps, spoiler on LT model..."

Rather than start a separate thread, I, too want to air my price concerns for Camaro's price, if or when, it arrives in Australia.

Holden have a habit of pricing vehicles at Holden/HSV friendly prices (i.e. above the RRP of these vehicles)... so to guarantee Camaro of good sales, please GM, price it reasonably. By that I mean at prices in line with the previous Monaro.

I did read an article some time back about Denny Mooney stating the car could be priced at very affordable levels - $AUD 50K was mentioned which is about right for the V6 (Aussies always pay too much for their cars even though our $AUD is now at parity with the $USD). If the Camaro is $AUD 80K or above then I do seriously believe that GM isn't serious about selling Camaro downunder. At those prices it would be competing with the smaller luxury Euro marques... and also Cadillac (when it does arrive downunder). It would be an opportunity lost for GM to establish itself in the Australian market if it were priced outside its target market IMO... and I consider myself its target market.

Otherwise, it's the HSV R8 which would be my only other choice.

Thanks for listening.

AS per my previous rants, I fully expect Canadians to get raped at the dealership too..we pay 20%+ more than Americans for cars while our dollar is worth as much or more and we are building the fraking thing!:mad:

I fully expect the LS to be about 32k (CAD)...the SS will top out at about 45k (CAD)...you call that affordable?:mad::mad:

Look at the G8 as an example of how GM will screw Canadians.:mad:

AS per my previous rants, I fully expect Canadians to get raped at the dealership too..we pay 20%+ more than Americans for cars while our dollar is worth as much or more and we are building the fraking thing!:mad:

I fully expect the LS to be about 32k (CAD)...the SS will top out at about 45k (CAD)...you call that affordable?:mad::mad:

Look at the G8 as an example of how GM will screw Canadians.:mad:

And you can't come down to the US and buy one because? Not being confrontational- just I don't know the reason you can't and I'm curious.

And you can't come down to the US and buy one because? Not being confrontational- just I don't know the reason you can't and I'm curious.

'cause I don't have the cash...I will have to finance whatever I buy...doesn't help that leasing is getting axed in Canada soon either :(

since it will be pretty much identicle to the GXP in content i fully expect GXP-like pricing- that is unless they WANT the G8 and GXP to fail. I expect the weaker engine/automatic to be just above the G8 in pricing as well with the manual LS3 model at GXP level. some people might think the G8/GXP should cost a lot more because it has 4 doors, but i think thats irrelevent because the camaro will be a little more sporty in styling and performance. Also, if you look at the 2 door civic vs 4-door civic, they are within $300 of each other so the convenience of 4 doors doesnt exactly make the prices go up THAT much.

since it will be pretty much identicle to the GXP in content i fully expect GXP-like pricing- that is unless they WANT the G8 and GXP to fail. I expect the weaker engine/automatic to be just above the G8 in pricing as well with the manual LS3 model at GXP level. some people might think the G8/GXP should cost a lot more because it has 4 doors, but i think thats irrelevent because the camaro will be a little more sporty in styling and performance. Also, if you look at the 2 door civic vs 4-door civic, they are within $300 of each other so the convenience of 4 doors doesnt exactly make the prices go up THAT much.

I think that's way high. I think that the SS will probably start somewhere around the pricing of the G8 GT (29-30k) at the highest. The G8 GXP pricing hasn't been announced, but I expect at least $36-38k. The SS isn't going to be that much.

I think that's way high. I think that the SS will probably start somewhere around the pricing of the G8 GT (29-30k) at the highest. The G8 GXP pricing hasn't been announced, but I expect at least $36-38k. The SS isn't going to be that much.

why would a car with the same features and built off the SAME PLATFORM, with the SAME engine, SAME trasmission, SAME suspension,most likely SAME brakes be priced so far apart? especially when the camaro will be a lil sportier?

Look at the price of the challenger SRT vs charger SRT, they both offer the SAME features,built off the SAME platform, SAME engine, SAME transmission,SAME suspension, and SAME brakes,and surprise surprise they are priced very similar........hmmmmm.......

The weaker L99/automatic combo base model will be a newer model and still offer more power and performance than the Challenger RT so i expect it to cost a lil more than that as well.

ayways, if it isnt close to GXP pricing for what is essentially the same car, that would doom the G8/GXP

actually the price of the 2door challenger is $200+ MORE than the 4 door charger which further strengthens my beliefs in the G8-GXP/Camaro argument

why would a car with the same features and built off the SAME PLATFORM, with the SAME engine, SAME trasmission, SAME suspension,most likely SAME brakes be priced so far apart? especially when the camaro will be a lil sportier?

Look at the price of the challenger SRT vs charger SRT, they both offer the SAME features,built off the SAME platform, SAME engine, SAME transmission,SAME suspension, and SAME brakes,and surprise surprise they are priced very similar........hmmmmm.......

The weaker L99/automatic combo base model will be a newer model and still offer more power and performance than the Challenger RT so i expect it to cost a lil more than that as well.

ayways, if it isnt close to GXP pricing for what is essentially the same car, that would doom the G8/GXP

First off, I don't think Chevy cares. Second and more important, they're marketed towards totally different groups. The G8/GXP will be the sporty "4-door family car". You can't tell me that's the group waiting for the Camaro...

why would a car with the same features and built off the SAME PLATFORM, with the SAME engine, SAME trasmission, SAME suspension,most likely SAME brakes be priced so far apart? especially when the camaro will be a lil sportier?

Because one is designed to be an "affordable" sport coupe from General Motor's value division and the other is a top of the line sport sedan from GM's sport division. I don't think that the Camaro will necessarily be "sportier" than the GXP. Sportier looking maybe, but I don't know about "sportier" necessarily.

Look at the price of the challenger SRT vs charger SRT, they both offer the SAME features,built off the SAME platform, SAME engine, SAME transmission,SAME suspension, and SAME brakes,and surprise surprise they are priced very similar........hmmmmm.......

And both are top of the line vehicles from the same division. Comparing 2 door dodge to 4 door Dodge isn't necessarily the same as comparing 2 door Chevrolet with 4 door Pontiac platform-mate.

The weaker L99/automatic combo base model will be a newer model and still offer more power and performance than the Challenger RT so i expect it to cost a lil more than that as well.

I figure that both Camaro SS models will be priced right around a comparable Charger R/T.

Anyways, if it isnt close to GXP pricing for what is essentially the same car, that would doom the G8/GXP

Not really, because they aren't aimed at the same audience. I'm not saying that there isn't some overlap between buyers, but they're aimed at different targets. Does the G8 doom the CTS?

First off, I don't think Chevy cares. Second and more important, they're marketed towards totally different groups. The G8/GXP will be the sporty "4-door family car". You can't tell me that's the group waiting for the Camaro...

a big factor that goes into pricing is the COST as well.
also, The camaro/GXP connection is as close as the Charger/Challenger. Why would the 2 door challenger cost as much or more than a charger if theyre in totally different segments and the charger is the sporty "4-door family car"?

a big factor that goes into pricing is the COST as well.
also, The camaro/GXP connection is as close as the Charger/Challenger.300/challenger?

Because one is designed to be an "affordable" sport coupe from General Motor's value division and the other is a top of the line sport sedan from GM's sport division. I don't think that the Camaro will necessarily be "sportier" than the GXP. Sportier looking maybe, but I don't know about "sportier" necessarily. .......................
And both are top of the line vehicles from the same division. Comparing 2 door dodge to 4 door Dodge isn't necessarily the same as comparing 2 door Chevrolet with 4 door Pontiac platform-mate.

how so when theyre destined to be the SAME feature for feature.What seperates the GXP other than 4 doors? what does PONTIAC do to differentiate their brand from Chevy in this case?

how so when theyre destined to be the SAME feature for feature.What seperates the GXP other than 4 doors? what does PONTIAC do to differentiate their brand from Chevy in this case?

First, they are not destined to be the same feature for feature. You are confusing being platform mates with being identical twins.

Pontiac sells their car as a BMW M5 at a bargain price. Chevrolet sells theirs as an affordable sports coupe.

We could argue this all day, but the simple fact is that the Camaro SS isn't going to cost as much as the G8 GXP.

actually the price of the 2door challenger is $200+ MORE than the 4 door charger which further strengthens my beliefs in the G8-GXP/Camaro argument

Hrmm... upon further investigation... dodges prices are ... funky..


Challenger SE - $21,995.00
Charger SE - $23,210.00

Challenger RT - $29,995.00
Charger RT - $32,315.00

Challenger SRT - $41,695.00
Charger SRT - $40,015.00


I'm patiently waiting for pricing, because thats going to be the deal breaker/maker for75% of the possible market for it. TOO high regardless of content is going to price it out of the market (especially in todays economy). TOO cheap and GM looses too much money. We will just have to wait and see.

Hrmm... upon further investigation... dodges prices are ... funky..


Challenger SE - $21,995.00
Charger SE - $23,210.00

Challenger RT - $29,995.00
Charger RT - $32,315.00

Challenger SRT - $41,695.00
Charger SRT - $40,015.00


I'm patiently waiting for pricing, because thats going to be the deal breaker/maker for75% of the possible market for it. TOO high regardless of content is going to price it out of the market (especially in todays economy). TOO cheap and GM looses too much money. We will just have to wait and see.

true, very true.i agree although I was mostly talking about the SRT though since it will offer very similar content,performance and power to weight ratio of the new Camaro.

First, they are not destined to be the same feature for feature. You are confusing being platform mates with being identical twins.

Pontiac sells their car as a BMW M5 at a bargain price. Chevrolet sells theirs as an affordable sports coupe.

We could argue this all day, but the simple fact is that the Camaro SS isn't going to cost as much as the G8 GXP.

but what seperates them from each other, feature wise?. The camaro even beats the G8 in the styling department.

Hrmm... upon further investigation... dodges prices are ... funky..


Challenger SE - $21,995.00
Charger SE - $23,210.00

Challenger RT - $29,995.00
Charger RT - $32,315.00

Challenger SRT - $41,695.00
Charger SRT - $40,015.00


I'm patiently waiting for pricing, because thats going to be the deal breaker/maker for75% of the possible market for it. TOO high regardless of content is going to price it out of the market (especially in todays economy). TOO cheap and GM looses too much money. We will just have to wait and see.

At least you have that luxury. I have 29 days left with my 04 GTO on a Smartbuy. If I had even a reasonable idea (+/- 1k) of what the Camaro would cost, it would be a no brainer. If the Camaro falls into what I consider reasonable (RS/SS @34k +/-1) I'll just refinance the 14,900 balloon pmt and wait until the Camaro gets out of the ADM phase. If it's going to compete with the SRT Challenger @ 42k, I'll just get use the GTO as a trade in on a G8 GT and deal with life. For those who don't know, the 14900 balloon payment is considered trade value for tax purposes.

V6 RS at or under $25K would be KILLER. Not happening, though.


Try $28K+

So did you have an actual contribution to the discussion?

I'll bet you $50 that you're wrong. Specifically, I'll bet that the MSRP on a base 2010 Camaro LT with the RS package (no other additional-cost options), is closer to 25K than 28K.

but what seperates them from each other, feature wise?. The camaro even beats the G8 in the styling department.

We won't fully know until the Camaro is in showrooms and the whole of standard and optional equpment is made known. But the fact is it doesn't matter. That's not what determines pricing in this case. One is imported from Australia and intended to sell 20,000 a year. The other is a NAFTA baby hoping to sell 100k plus. The volume alone will help make it cheaper.

Some of you may be confusing costs of manufactuer with price. The fact that GM charges X for a car with similar content has no basis in predicting the price of a different car. For instance look at the price difference between a Tahoe and Escalade. They are very simlar in most respects but the Cadillac has some increase in amenities and because it competes in the luxury SUV market gets a substantial premium. The profit margin for each vehicle is different based upon what the market can bear. To survive Camaro must be priced similar to the Challanger and Mustang. The folks with the calculators know exactly what it will cost to build each car. As the volume increases the unit costs will go down. The G8 is a low volume car, the Camaro will be a high volume car. They are built in different countries and while they may share similar content will have different prices. Heck for that matter the CTS will share components with the Camaro but the CTS price is irrelevent to the Camaro market.