Jetta TDi. "Real world" 38 city mpg.

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/volkswagen_news/article_2336.shtml


2009 Jetta TDI Starting at $21,990 and Jetta SportWagen TDI Starting at $23,590



Jun 18, 2008






HERNDON, Va.—Volkswagen of America, Inc. today announced pricing for their eagerly anticipated Jetta TDI sedan and SportWagen starting at $21,990 and $23,590, respectively. Fuel efficiency, performance and convenience all come standard with the 50-state compliant Jetta sedan and SportWagen TDI, which meet the most stringent emissions standards in California and the world. Both models will be available this August.

“Our clean diesel vehicles offer consumers a true value with the fuel efficiency that drivers are looking for while providing power, utility and performance,” said Mark Barnes, COO, Volkswagen of America, Inc. “The Jetta TDI’s offer a no compromise alternative fuel driving experience.”

While the Environmental Protection Agency estimates the Jetta TDI at an economical 29 mpg City and 40 mpg Highway, Volkswagen went a step further to show the true fuel economy of the Jetta TDI. Leading third-party certifier, AMCI, has tested the Jetta TDI and found it performed 24 percent better in real world conditions, achieving 38 mpg in the City and 44 mpg on the Highway.*

The Jetta TDI’s come standard with Volkswagen’s Prevent and Preserve Safety System, consisting of numerous standard safety features. Jetta TDI’s include six airbags, with optional rear side airbags, and like all 2009 model year Volkswagens, Jetta TDI’s also feature standard Electronic Stabilization Program (ESP) for added safety.
Also standard for 2009 is Volkswagen’s carefree maintenance program, with this program there are no charges for the scheduled maintenance described in the vehicle’s maintenance booklet for the length of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty—three years or 36,000 miles, whichever occurs first.

Volkswagen of America, Inc.

Volkswagen of America, Inc. recently announced Electronic Stability Program (ESP) as standard equipment on all its 2009 vehicles. As a result, Volkswagen is one of the only original equipment manufacturers to offer an electronic stability control system on their entire product line – ahead of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s (NHTSA) deadline requiring vehicles in the 2012 model year to include stability control systems. Volkswagen’s ESP technology works in conjunction with anti-lock brakes and helps reduce loss of control and rollovers to avoid crashes. NHTSA predicts nearly 10,000 lives could be saved each year if automakers included stability systems as standard equipment.

Founded in 1955, Volkswagen of America, Inc. is headquartered in Herndon, Va. It is a subsidiary of Volkswagen AG, headquartered in Wolfsburg, Germany. Volkswagen is one of the world’s largest producers of passenger cars and Europe’s largest automaker. Volkswagen sells the Rabbit, New Beetle, New Beetle convertible, GTI, Jetta, GLI, Passat, Passat wagon, Eos, Tiguan and Touareg through approximately 600 independent U.S. dealers. Visit Volkswagen of America online at vw.com.

*29 city / 40 highway EPA estimates. 38 city / 44 highway real world fuel economy based on AMCI testing. Your mileage may vary. For more information on Volkswagen, go to www.vw.com.

Nothing new, they've been making these cars for several years now. If I ever find one cheap I wouldn't hesitate to grab it.

Nothing new, they've been making these cars for several years now. If I ever find one cheap I wouldn't hesitate to grab it.

They stopped making them after the 05 model year IIRC due to emissions issues. This is the first time they've come back to the US. The new ones appear to be better than ever. I still wouldn't own a VW outside of warranty... I'm waiting on the TSX diesel or Civic diesel if I am going to go diesel.

it's almost a $15/tank difference between 87 and Diesel, based on a 15 gallon tank and prices in my area. $3.88 vs $4.79

it's almost a $15/tank difference between 87 and Diesel, based on a 15 gallon tank and prices in my area. $3.88 vs $4.79

15Gallon*3.88=58.20
15Gallon*4.79=71.85

Gas Avg. mpg 28 *est. 28*15 = 420 miles
Diesel Avg. mpg 38*15 = 570 miles

Difference 150 miles

150/28 = 5.35*3.88 = $20.75

58.20+20.75 = 78.95

So:
570 miles on gas tank = $78.98
570 miles on diesel tank = $71.85

So it would cost an estimated $7.10 more to travel the same miles on a gas car than a diesel. I could be wrong though :p

15Gallon*3.88=58.20
15Gallon*4.79=71.85

Gas Avg. mpg 28 *est. 28*15 = 420 miles
Diesel Avg. mpg 38*15 = 570 miles

Difference 150 miles

150/28 = 5.35*3.88 = $20.75

58.20+20.75 = 78.95

So:
570 miles on gas tank = $78.98
570 miles on diesel tank = $71.85

So it would cost an estimated $7.10 more to travel the same miles on a gas car than a diesel. I could be wrong though :p
So basicly it's no better since gas prices are in flux all the time...

I am retarded. I read that as 38mpg highway. I was comparing it against our Cobalt that gets 36mpg highway.

this is the new generation vw diesels, it runs much better then the old ones. our district rep brought one by the other day, i was pretty impressed. he let us all drive it, it moved pretty well. the display said 38.7 mpg, and the car only had 180 miles on it, and all the car had done was traveled from dealer to dealer and having technicians floor it around the neighborhood (expecting it to be as slow as the old ones), pretty impressive if you ask me. super quiet too, usually as soon as a diesel pulls in the service aisle we can hear it, hell, before it comes in. this one we didnt hear until he revved it to 3 grand (he was doing a test of having people smell a clean white rag, putting it on the tailpipe and flooring it, then having people smell it again. no fumes or smoke at all). all in all i was pretty impressed. of course, with the price of diesel, i cant say if its all worth it.

What's a similarly equipped Jetta gas sell for?

About $2,000 less.

Well see how the market adjustment goes.

They will sell everyone they build and I bet VW has a home run here. You may see the jetta crack the top 10 best selling vehicle list.

We are narrowing down our next purchase and its looking like

colbalt xfe
malibu LT I-4/A6
Jetta TDI wagon

I like the idea of the jetta running on B20 biodiesel. Its about 10 cents less a gallon and doesn't suffer the large energy loss of E85. It burns nice and clean as well. It may not be the cheapest cost wise but I think it sticks it to big oil the best.

didn't the old jettas get like 45mpg?

So much for 60mpg eh?

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=600950&highlight=Jetta

15Gallon*3.88=58.20
15Gallon*4.79=71.85

Gas Avg. mpg 28 *est. 28*15 = 420 miles
Diesel Avg. mpg 38*15 = 570 miles

Difference 150 miles

150/28 = 5.35*3.88 = $20.75

58.20+20.75 = 78.95

So:
570 miles on gas tank = $78.98
570 miles on diesel tank = $71.85

So it would cost an estimated $7.10 more to travel the same miles on a gas car than a diesel. I could be wrong though :pSo, at $12.50 saved per 1000 miles, you have to drive 160k miles to make up the $2000 price difference, based on the current spread in diesel pricing.

So is VW advertising EPA and AMCI, that is interesting.

So is VW advertising EPA and AMCI, that is interesting.

They weren't happy with the EPA rating, so decided on getting their own independent rating.

I have mixed feelings about that. EPA ratings are for comparison, not to show the absolute mileage of a car. So should everyone who knows that their cars can get better than EPA (and a lot of cars can) in real world driving start getting their cars independently verified?

They stopped making them after the 05 model year IIRC due to emissions issues. This is the first time they've come back to the US. The new ones appear to be better than ever. I still wouldn't own a VW outside of warranty... I'm waiting on the TSX diesel or Civic diesel if I am going to go diesel.

The TDI's are a different story. Sure the interior will fall apart like any other VW, but the pumpe duse engines are damn good. With normal maintinance I have only seen 3 types of issues on them; glow plugs, glow plug wiring harness, intake/EGR cooler getting clogged with carbon.

Anyone know if the chassis is shared across some of the Audi vehicles?

For a little sporty wagon that gets mpg like that, sure diesel is expensive, but the numbers still look awesome.

And the motor will out-live the car... the transmission though is another story. :think:

The TDI's are a different story. Sure the interior will fall apart like any other VW, but the pumpe duse engines are damn good. With normal maintinance I have only seen 3 types of issues on them; glow plugs, glow plug wiring harness, intake/EGR cooler getting clogged with carbon.

I'll vouch.

I have not driven the Jetta, but I drove the Mercedes 2.3 TDi while in Germany last year and it provided great performance AND 35mpg at the same time. And of course I was pounding on it on the autobahn and around the country roads, so mileage could have been better I'm sure.

I am a definite believer in the benefits of direct injection and diesels are well-suited for the application.

This might seem new to us here in the USA, but it's old-hat in Europe now, and I like it.

Why is the EPA rating so bad?

So much for 60mpg eh?

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=600950&highlight=Jetta

So, at $12.50 saved per 1000 miles, you have to drive 160k miles to make up the $2000 price difference, based on the current spread in diesel pricing.

Thank you for doing the math.

To me, diesel cars just don't make sense economically.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; we need a 50 mpg gasoline car that costs between $9K-$12K.

To me, diesel cars just don't make sense economically.


The numbers need to be re-crunched. Same model car, different engine. Using the EPA ratings and the 3rd party "real-world" as EPA is all simulated.

$3.88 gasoline
$4.79 diesel

Jetta TDi 29/40mpg*
Jetta TDi 38/44mpg**
Jetta SE 21/29mpg

1000mi@40mpg=25.0gal=$119.75
1000mi@44mpg=22.7gal=$108.86
1000mi@29mpg=34.5gal=$133.79

Now lets put those to 100,000 miles.
$11,975
$10,886
$13,379

You saved $1404 to $2493. At which point the extra cost of the diesel engine (which is probably $2000 more) breaks even. Beyond that point, and the diesel makes sense. Yes, modern gasoline engines are much better than they used to be for life expectancy, but diesels should still out-last them.

This comparison also offers twice the torque and much better power as well, so for a performance standpoint, its better as well. ;)

A diesel engine can run on bio-diesel fuel, which you can also easily make yourself. A friend of mine runs his old Mercedes on used fryer oil he blends with diesel fuel. :cool:

A lot of you guys are assuming that diesel will always be 25% more than gasoline.

One year ago diesel was $2.90 and gasoline was $3.00
http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/

A lot of you guys are assuming that diesel will always be 25% more than gasoline.

One year ago diesel was $2.90 and gasoline was $3.00
http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/

Depending where you are, diesel can be a good percentage less than that. But it goes both ways. Suffice it to say that if diesel is NOT 25% more, then diesel is more viable up to 100,000 miles.

I remember noticing regular at like $2/gal and diesel was like $1.50 years ago.

Years ago, though, the demand for the most miles from a gallon of fuel was not there. Combine that with the new ultra-clean requirements, and I'm betting diesel will stay higher than 87. Mainly, because it can.

I think we're gonna have to wait for the real "real world" to speak. Another thing to consider is that demand may push the premium between the gas and diesel models beyond $2000. Another is that the "real world" gas engine results may be higher than 29mpg (people always low-ball one side, and high-ball the other, when trying to make a point).

Personally, with the current spread in fuel pricing, I'm not convinced.

I wish GM would pay those guys to do the ratings for the DI turbo Sky and Solstice. They are only rated 28mpg on the highway also and mine is regularly knocking down 40-41 mpg. City driving is around 28mpg. With a bunch of stop and go traffic each day on I95 I am still averaging in the mid 30s. :lol:

How the hell can the EPA be so far off on this stuff?

They are only rated 28mpg on the highway also and mine is regularly knocking down 40-41 mpg. City driving is around 28mpg. With a bunch of stop and go traffic each day on I95 I am still averaging in the mid 30s. :lol:

HuJass has one (by his sig) I wonder how he does?

I've heard they rock pretty hardcore for driving and mpg - part of me has even considered selling the Camaro for one...

In mixed driving (mostly highway), the DIC says I get 30-31 mpg in the GXP.
When I actually calculate it, it turns out to be 28 MPG.

So either Lead's DIC is wrong or he is hypermiling.

Go to solsticeforum.com and take a look at the mileage threads in there. I've never seen one as high as Lead's.

In mixed driving (mostly highway), the DIC says I get 30-31 mpg in the GXP.
When I actually calculate it, it turns out to be 28 MPG.

So either Lead's DIC is wrong or he is hypermiling.

Go to solsticeforum.com and take a look at the mileage threads in there. I've never seen one as high as Lead's.

There is a milage thread over at skyroadster as well. It seems like the RLs can routinely average in the 30's.
In my 2.4 Sky I am averaging about 28mpg according to my DIC. It was at about 23-24 before gas skyrocketed and I started using some 'hypermiling' techniques.

The numbers need to be re-crunched. Same model car, different engine. Using the EPA ratings and the 3rd party "real-world" as EPA is all simulated.

$3.88 gasoline
$4.79 diesel

Jetta TDi 29/40mpg*
Jetta TDi 38/44mpg**
Jetta SE 21/29mpg

1000mi@40mpg=25.0gal=$119.75
1000mi@44mpg=22.7gal=$108.86
1000mi@29mpg=34.5gal=$133.79

Now lets put those to 100,000 miles.
$11,975
$10,886
$13,379

You saved $1404 to $2493. At which point the extra cost of the diesel engine (which is probably $2000 more) breaks even. Beyond that point, and the diesel makes sense. Yes, modern gasoline engines are much better than they used to be for life expectancy, but diesels should still out-last them.

This comparison also offers twice the torque and much better power as well, so for a performance standpoint, its better as well. ;)

A diesel engine can run on bio-diesel fuel, which you can also easily make yourself. A friend of mine runs his old Mercedes on used fryer oil he blends with diesel fuel. :cool:

Now consider that even "old" diesels in work trucks that we KNOW are abused typically make it 200-400k miles without major internal issues and the business model gets even better. We all should agree that diesels have the potential to live longer lives than gas engines - all being equal.

I'd go for the TDi - no second thoughts.