Uh-ho.... Actual production photos

Someone is loosing their job over this....

http://jalopnik.com/392589/2009-chevrolet-camaro-exclusive-production-pictures-seriously

I wonder when production will start ?

New Camaro color: Delorean Silver. :D

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those are cool pictures...an actual 5th gen being born...we're getting close...so close.

this is one of the coolest things ive ever saw. cant wait till mine roles down the assembly line

those COULD be photos og the mules.all i see is a frame,im not seeing anything else in anything being seats or somethin.

Oh good, the rear quarter panels are metal again so that they can get dimples and dents from people banging their doors into them.

Those are Mustang bodies, look closer.








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Those are Mustang bodies, look closer.








;)

HA! i was gonna say that but i didnt want to risk the chance of being flamed

Yes, my above post was a joke. It is a Camaro, of course.

Okay, seriously, look closer.

Start from the front where the door hinges are, then follow over the A-pillar, over the top, down the B and C pillar, rear fender, and back along the bottom to where there front door hinges are...all one piece. Rigid, light, strong, and safe.

those are cool pictures...an actual 5th gen being born...we're getting close...so close.

Actually its a PAIR of 5th Gens being born ;) Look at the 2nd pic, end of the line......definately TWO camaros!!!!! :bow:

:eek: Can't wait for them to hit the street !!!!!!!!!!:cool:

Those are Mustang bodies, look closer.








;)

Don't think so. That very much looks like the Camro.

Don't think so. That very much looks like the Camro.

Right...thanks. See my other posts in this thread. :)

Right...thanks. See my other posts in this thread. :)

Sorry. Didn't see that second post. :)

Actually its a PAIR of 5th Gens being born ;) Look at the 2nd pic, end of the line......definately TWO camaros!!!!! :bow:

almost brings a tear to my eye...our babies being born.:bow:

Sorry. Didn't see that second post. :)

:lol: No problem. They hit on safety a lot during the focus group, and that is one of the things they pointed out (the one-piece sides).

Man, GM acts faster than I thought. Camaro clinic was just a few days ago and they already made the right changes.:alert:
j/k

i dont like the headlights..seriously...bout time

i dont like the headlights..seriously...bout time

Which ones?

I feel sorry for the suckas who got to replace a quarter panel in forty years or so.

the small ones that look like fog lights...

the small ones that look like fog lights...

:notheadlights:

not real.....oh my prayers have been answered..ill await the "real" ones...long as they are round and not square ill be happy..i dont like those blue ones either..they blind you when coming at you

Dang! Some robots get all the cool jobs! :cool:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/ccoop8830/n29100329_30635905_2171.jpg

/\-----------------what is this

/\-----------------what is this


Hmm...

This doesn't look like the DI V6. Could this be the base model V6?

I don't know, but it sure looks like the DI V6 to me.

For comparison here's the 3.6l LY7 from a CTS (this one is a pic from 04, something like 263 hp or something:
http://cadillac.jbcarpages.com/CTS/2004/Bilder/2004%20CTS%203.6l%20Engine.jpg

261 hp from the G8:

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2008/Photo%20Library/HFV6/08%203.6L%20V6%20LY7%20G8%20LoR.jpg



Definitely looks like a 3.6l in that Camaro, now the question is at what power level... I'm not buying the V6 either way but I'd be somehow disappointed if it only had the ~260hp version... Surely the focus group wouldn't be particular excited over anything less than 300hp. Dare we dream of more power???

That is deff a 3.6 with half an engine cover under the hood of that Camaro.

Those picturesreally aren't a big deal, jobs should be OK. It's not like it's showing us the production car done.

Awesome :bow: both the production and the engine bay shots. haha i didnt realize how cool the 3.6l intake looked

Sweet! Production test runs! I was wondering whey they were going to start the test runs to check fit/finish, line accuracy/speed etc.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/ccoop8830/n29100329_30635905_2171.jpg
Holy air-box, Batman!! :eek:

:D

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/ccoop8830/n29100329_30635905_2171.jpg

That's the non-turbo V6 version. ;)

The Jalopnik pics are of the Maximum Bob LS9 version with 550 hp and a price tag of $29,000.

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/images/smilies/psd2drunk.gif

Hey everyone! Just stumbled on this site while searching the internet, so i decided to register. I have only been part of the camaro5 forum and this one looks great too. I cant wait 'till the Camaro comes out to be my first car. :D

Anyway back on topic. The way the disciples were talking, this would IMO be the D.I. 3.6.

P.S. I cant find how to upload a user pic. :confused:

look at the 3 fluid caps on the driver side of the engine at the front of the engine on the Camaro pic. The old V6 only has one cap, the new DI V6 has three caps. The intake manifold may be different, but to me it still looks like a DI V6.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/ccoop8830/n29100329_30635905_2171.jpg

looks like there is a missing engine cover,.,.

For comparison here's the 3.6l LY7 from a CTS (this one is a pic from 04, something like 263 hp or something:
http://cadillac.jbcarpages.com/CTS/2004/Bilder/2004%20CTS%203.6l%20Engine.jpg

261 hp from the G8:

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2008/Photo%20Library/HFV6/08%203.6L%20V6%20LY7%20G8%20LoR.jpg



Definitely looks like a 3.6l in that Camaro, now the question is at what power level... I'm not buying the V6 either way but I'd be somehow disappointed if it only had the ~260hp version... Surely the focus group wouldn't be particular excited over anything less than 300hp. Dare we dream of more power???

Anyone know why the DI version would require two belts compared to the non-DI version?:confused:

Anyone know why the DI version would require two belts compared to the non-DI version?:confused:
It kinda looks like the LS1 arrangement of 1 belt dedicated to the A/C compressor, and 1 for everything else? :think:

It kinda looks like the LS1 arrangement of 1 belt dedicated to the A/C compressor, and 1 for everything else? :think:

isn't that a p/s pump above the compressor:think:

I feel sorry for the suckas who got to replace a quarter panel in forty years or so.

40 years? Try the first week, when someone wrecks theirs. You know it's going to happen.

isn't that a p/s pump above the compressor:think:
Sorry! Looks like you're right on that ;).

When I first looked to compare the two, I saw the A/C compressor and drew my conclusion from there!! :D :dead:

Looking at the pic of the car on the assembly line from the rear, it looks like it could accept a different bumper cover and taillights from what the Camaro gets.
I could be wrong, but that's the way it looks to me.

Looking at the pic of the car on the assembly line from the rear, it looks like it could accept a different bumper cover and taillights from what the Camaro gets.
I could be wrong, but that's the way it looks to me.

That could be for an easy MCE.

I am getting so excited about the 3.6 D.I, if it is D.I. I hope it has D.I because i seriously have a great passion to take out 300 HP mustang GT's. If you can just imagine looking at the Mustang GT 300 HP after its been blown away by a v6 D.I Camaro. :D

What mods are available for the DI 3.6? You'll need them if you expect to run with Mustang GT's, much less blow them away. The 4.6 will offer significantly more torque along with a broader powerband than the 3.6. Peak hp numbers tell only part of the story.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/ccoop8830/n29100329_30635905_2171.jpg

My biggest complaint, being too wide, at least appears to have a very good side effect in my opinion. Room to work in the engine bay. This car is looking better and better.

I can see all the aftermarket parts guys thinking how to design a Cold Air Inktake to
come straight off the throttle body into the hood opening scoop. If the scoop is closed,
well it will get opened. ;) Yeah that airbox is gonna have to go!!!

I can see all the aftermarket parts guys thinking how to design a Cold Air Inktake to
come straight off the throttle body into the hood opening scoop. If the scoop is closed,
well it will get opened. ;) Yeah that airbox is gonna have to go!!!

Considering the hood scoop is directly in front of the hood latch, this will be an interesting feat of engineering, for a simple CAI kit.

Considering the hood scoop is directly in front of the hood latch, this will be an interesting feat of engineering, for a simple CAI kit.

Hoodpins! :D

Anyone know why the DI version would require two belts compared to the non-DI version?:confused:

Packaging. The top engine is from an 04 CTS, the bottom from an 08 G8.

Similar to how the accessory packages on LS1s were completely different between Fbody, Ybody, and GTO installations.

2 more tell tales of the engine in the black Camaro is DI 3.6 is the hump at the back of the mani and the vacum hose going in just before the V shape joins .

That is a DI 3.6 .

Sorry! Looks like you're right on that ;).

When I first looked to compare the two, I saw the A/C compressor and drew my conclusion from there!! :D :dead:

No biggie, when I first saw the DI pic, I thought it was 2 tensioners on one belt cause I saw the non DI first!! lol:eek:

I feel sorry for the suckas who got to replace a quarter panel in forty years or so.

No kidding! :eek:


Looking at the pic of the car on the assembly line from the rear, it looks like it could accept a different bumper cover and taillights from what the Camaro gets.
I could be wrong, but that's the way it looks to me.

Done for mid life design changes, but yes, it could make for badge engineering if the car took off.



I am getting so excited about the 3.6 D.I, if it is D.I. I hope it has D.I because i seriously have a great passion to take out 300 HP mustang GT's. If you can just imagine looking at the Mustang GT 300 HP after its been blown away by a v6 D.I Camaro. :D

Ford isn't letting the Mustang GT stand still in all this, ya know?

Ford also had Direct Injection V6 (plus even a turbocharger) in development. And it's likely to wind up on the Mustang.

We're about to see a brand new horsepower race at another level.

That's whay I'm bullish on performance at a time when more pessimistic members here see doomsday. :D


2 more tell tales of the engine in the black Camaro is DI 3.6 is the hump at the back of the mani and the vacum hose going in just before the V shape joins .

That is a DI 3.6 .

If it is, I suspect Camaro V6 and 6 speed manual might bump the G8 ST "El Camino" as my next vehicle. :D

I feel sorry for the suckas who got to replace a quarter panel in forty years or so.

After 40 years, I don't think that it will be the first to go, no matter how good the build quality. :lol:

Look at a '69 Camaro...similar...

not real.....oh my prayers have been answered..ill await the "real" ones...long as they are round and not square ill be happy..

If you like the concept headlights, you should like what the production ones are.

looks like there is a missing engine cover,.,.

It is...or part of it.

What mods are available for the DI 3.6?

Whatever the powertrain winds up being, V6 or V8, you can bet the aftermarket will go nuts for it on all levels.

Room to work in the engine bay. This car is looking better and better.

There is decent room to work. Not much room to add a bunch more, but just working on it is MUCH more accessible than a 4th gen. Then again, it should be. This car and the 4th gen only share the name and heritage and nothing else.

I can see all the aftermarket parts guys thinking how to design a Cold Air Inktake to come straight off the throttle body into the hood opening scoop. If the scoop is closed,
well it will get opened. ;) Yeah that airbox is gonna have to go!!!

I hope it does happen but all I can say is good luck to anyone who accomplishes that while making it worth the effort.

There is decent room to work. Not much room to add a bunch more, but just working on it is MUCH more accessible than a 4th gen. Then again, it should be. This car and the 4th gen only share the name and heritage and nothing else.

So does that mean that the spark plugs can not only be reached but changed in a timely manner? That would be very nice.:)

There is decent room to work. Not much room to add a bunch more, but just working on it is MUCH more accessible than a 4th gen. Then again, it should be. This car and the 4th gen only share the name and heritage and nothing else.


Thank you GM. Ive had so many bloodied up fingers from working on these cars, not to mention pulling a contortion act trying to get to some places

That will look good sitting next to my s197:D

Start from the front where the door hinges are, then follow over the A-pillar, over the top, down the B and C pillar, rear fender, and back along the bottom to where there front door hinges are...all one piece. Rigid, light, strong, and safe.

well, since the pics are out there now.... Brett Vivian said that single piece was one of the biggest challenges they faced. How to stamp it.

After 40 years, I don't think that it will be the first to go, no matter how good the build quality. :lol:

Look at a '69 Camaro...similar...

I think sometimes people forget or dont know the 69 is mostly just sheet metal from the firewall back. The trunks dont seal well and rusted trunk pans which the gas tank hangs from are comon. It is the price you pay for the beauty of that car. I wouldnt recommend it to anyone who does not have a garage or similar...

well, since the pics are out there now.... Brett Vivian said that single piece was one of the biggest challenges they faced. How to stamp it.

Thats awesome!

I can't wait for mine.

I could be wrong, could just be the angle or whatever, but i'm guessing that engine bay is not as wide open as my GTO. It looks like the engine tucks up very close to the firewall and almost under that cowl like on the 4th gens (though not as bad), and it also looks like there's a lot of crap high and tight to the sides all adding up to make spark plugs / valve springs / heads harder to do.

When i first heard the scoop was non-functional, but maybe an after market possibility i was dissapointed. From that pic it doesn't look like any reasonable aftermarket option will be possible either, making it really a shame.

5thgen69camaro "I think sometimes people forget or dont know the 69 is mostly just sheet metal from the firewall back. The trunks dont seal well and rusted trunk pans which the gas tank hangs from are comon. It is the price you pay for the beauty of that car. I wouldnt recommend it to anyone who does not have a garage or similar..."


Not entirely accurate... the trunk weatherstripping was beefy enough to handle the "distortion". The main contributor to the water in the trunk was the panel below the rear window. Water and debris would accumlate under the lower window trim, puddle, and slowly rot away. Eventually you would get a hole and water in the trunk. Vinyl top cars were the worst offenders. The big problem was all of this was happening below the stainless trim and you couldn't see it until you had the pond in the trunk. Road salt was another problem... ate it from the outside.

5thgen69camaro "I think sometimes people forget or dont know the 69 is mostly just sheet metal from the firewall back. The trunks dont seal well and rusted trunk pans which the gas tank hangs from are comon. It is the price you pay for the beauty of that car. I wouldnt recommend it to anyone who does not have a garage or similar..."


Not entirely accurate... the trunk weatherstripping was beefy enough to handle the "distortion". The main contributor to the water in the trunk was the panel below the rear window. Water and debris would accumlate under the lower window trim, puddle, and slowly rot away. Eventually you would get a hole and water in the trunk. Vinyl top cars were the worst offenders. The big problem was all of this was happening below the stainless trim and you couldn't see it until you had the pond in the trunk. Road salt was another problem... ate it from the outside.


The weather stipping isnt a round piece either. it is a straight piece that has a gap between the beginning and the end. As much as I love the style and proportions of the 69, I think the rear bumper is almost bolted directly to the sheetmetal. Its almost like an egg shell compared to todays cars. They need to be babied and stored in garages or barns.

The 5th gen in comparison is not even close to that. 40 years from now it will have its issues but the 69 was born brand new with certain issues.

I dont want to hijack the thread.

Where those pics taken in Mexico? Or Canada?

:rolleyes:Where those pics taken in Mexico? Or Canada?


oshwa canada

Where those pics taken in Mexico? Or Canada?
Mexico?! :confused: :irk: Why would the Camaro be being assembled in Mexico?! :shrug:

Heck, if it wasn't Oshawa, then I'd assume Australia?! :confused: But I know the plant is being setup in Oshawa to begin building the car, and I know that there were some prototypes in there already a few months ago ..... so there's no reason for those pictures NOT to have come from Oshawa :cool:.

oshwa canada
Heh, drop the "O" and you'd have "shwa", which is what everyone in Oshawa calls it anyways!! :p The (dirty, as it's known locally) 'Shwa!!! :D

Mexico?! :confused: :irk: Why would the Camaro be being assembled in Mexico?! :shrug:

[/color] 'Shwa!!! :D

This is why I had to ask about Mexico...the vast majority of *American Made Cars* aren't even made in America.... Don't believe me...heres the link from GM corporate... http://www.gm.com/corporate/about/global_operations/north_america/mexi.jsp

Sad day for the USA when my Subaru was built in Indiana by American citizens and my Firebird was built by Canadians. *Not bashing Canada BTW, just trying to put a point across*

Sad day for the USA when my Subaru was built in Indiana by American citizens and my Firebird was built by Canadians. *Not bashing Canada BTW, just trying to put a point across*
Come now. The design and engineering for that thing was probably ALL done in Japan. As were most of it's components probably made in Asia. I'd hardly merit any vehicle a nationality based on it's assembly site.

Plus, don't look at one vehicle -- it's not a fair representation. Look at the company as whole. GM employs more Americans than Subaru could ever hope to.

Come now. The design and engineering for that thing was probably ALL done in Japan. As were most of it's components probably made in Asia. I'd hardly merit any vehicle a nationality based on it's assembly site.

Plus, don't look at one vehicle -- it's not a fair representation. Look at the company as whole. GM employs more Americans than Subaru could ever hope to.

Didn't mean to Hijack the thread...but still just for an example....Toyota, Honda, and Subaru *Pretty BIG foreign company's* all have plants in the USA. Given the parts are probably imported from Japan to make the vehicles, they are still assembled by American workers. Come to think of it though, ever taken the time to look at where any of the individual car parts are manufactured on your vehicle? Actually this could really open up the question...what is an American car...a car made in America, or one made someplace else but owned by an American company? Hmm this could be a good lounge topic :p

Hmm this could be a good lounge topic :p
Do it! I'm in. :p
fwiw, the body, engine, and tranny for my Cobalt were ALL built and assembled here in the USA...I haven't checked on the bolts and hinges, yet....;)

Didn't mean to Hijack the thread...but still just for an example....Toyota, Honda, and Subaru *Pretty BIG foreign company's* all have plants in the USA. Given the parts are probably imported from Japan to make the vehicles, they are still assembled by American workers. Come to think of it though, ever taken the time to look at where any of the individual car parts are manufactured on your vehicle? Actually this could really open up the question...what is an American car...a car made in America, or one made someplace else but owned by an American company? Hmm this could be a good lounge topic :p

Not to let you down, but you arent the first person to discover this.
Thing is, GM has plenty more plants then any of the foriegn automakers do combined. The problem arises when the UAW becomes too expensive, and thier work quality falls off. In a non-union Toyota plant, you hit the road. In a UAW Plant, you get put in a job bank, get 90% of your pay and 100% of your benifits, and GM has to foot the bill till they can put you to work.

All my cars were built in America. My 72 and 87 were built in Norwood, the Caprice was built in Texas, and the Maxx in Fairfax, OH.
Camaro will be my first non-American built car, and It really doesnt bother me. Oshawa has one of the highest quality rankings, and with GM recent attention to detail and quality, this car is a perfect fit.
When it comes down to it, foriegn auto makers profits go back to the mother country.

Oh yeah, i know i'm not the first one to discover this..or even bring it up. It was just brought to question why I had asked if the pictures were taken in Mexico or Canada. And yes..your right...in the end the money goes back to the company's home land:p

This is why I had to ask about Mexico...the vast majority of *American Made Cars* aren't even made in America....

Sad day for the USA when my Subaru was built in Indiana by American citizens and my Firebird was built by Canadians. *Not bashing Canada BTW, just trying to put a point across*
Dude, get over it!! ;)

A) Since we already know the Camaro is going to be built in Oshawa, it would be pretty dumb for those pictures to have come out of Mexico!? :irk:

B) Was it not Homer Simpson who called Canada "America Jr."?? ;) GM Canada is still as "domestic" as you get. Canada closely mirrors the goings-on of the US (economy, lifestyle, etc., etc.,) much moreso than Mexico. So whether your "American iron" was built in homeland USA or Canada, doesn't make it any less American iron ;). Please do NOT class us in the same "import" category as all the TRUE imports!!! :p

And yes, the plants in Oshawa have received some of the highest awards from J.D. Power multiple times over many years. If there's a quality issue with the Camaro, it's more likely a problem at the design phase, not the build phase :cool:. And honestly, with the ("Canadian made") 4th-gens, how many BUILD-quality issues were there with those cars, as opposed to the common DESIGN problems (like the glass 10-bolt? :rolleyes: ). I've been abusing my Z28 since I bought it new in 2002, and nothing has broken or fallen apart due to crappy assembly ... anything that's let go has been poorly engineered or designed.

And yes, the plants in Oshawa have received some of the highest awards from J.D. Power multiple times over many years. If there's a quality issue with the Camaro, it's more likely a problem at the design phase, not the build phase :cool:. And honestly, with the ("Canadian made") 4th-gens, how many BUILD-quality issues were there with those cars, as opposed to the common DESIGN problems (like the glass 10-bolt? :rolleyes: ). I've been abusing my Z28 since I bought it new in 2002, and nothing has broken or fallen apart due to crappy assembly ... anything that's let go has been poorly engineered or designed.

If you think we build good cars you should see our igloos. :p

The interior is pretty...fragile in the pre-97 fourth gens, but I'll agree, there were some bunk parts (window motors & switches) but the build quality was there on both my 96 & my 99.

I know this may be some what off topic. We American like to make fun of Canadians. I was thinking about this today. I hope Canadians don't take it seriously. I would hope you guys give it right back and that your experience with Americans shows it isn't some hate it's just fun.
I loved my Canadian Z28.

Originally Posted by Big Als Z:
Thing is, GM has plenty more plants then any of the foriegn automakers do combined. The problem arises when the UAW becomes too expensive, and thier work quality falls off. In a non-union Toyota plant, you hit the road. In a UAW Plant, you get put in a job bank, get 90% of your pay and 100% of your benifits, and GM has to foot the bill till they can put you to work.
I see things a little differently, being from a UAW plant.
Canada having: Gov't HealthCare,
and there was the currency difference,
and slightly lower cost of living, wages,
less legacy issues?...
You can still be fired for poor work quality here as well, and the job bank was seen as a benefit by GM as well, signing agreements to it time and again. B/C their buisness rises and falls cyclically, and they must be able to capitalize on up turns quickly, so trained workers on standby can save millions.
I've no issues with Canadian build quality...OR....UAW build quality.
People from the same communities here that produce Toyota parts, make'em for GM as well...sometimes in the same building. :)
Cheap materials, have been the real issue for domestic interiors. Designs were great, but things broke easily b/c someone saved a nickel on something.

Wow, I cant believe I am seeing this, way cool

I know this may be some what off topic. We American like to make fun of Canadians. I was thinking about this today. I hope Canadians don't take it seriously. I would hope you guys give it right back and that your experience with Americans shows it isn't some hate it's just fun.
I loved my Canadian Z28.
Oh don't worry, I don't think there are too many Canadians butt-hurt over any jokes Americans make about us ;). I don't think you'd care to hear what Canadians have to say about Americans though!! :p

j/k :D

Actually it's good ... we don't have to bash your current president, because it seems many/most Americans are getting pretty sick of him too!! :)

Looks like quite a substantial b-pillar...oh well, at least itll be nice and tight.

Given the parts are probably imported from Japan to make the vehicles, they are still assembled by American workers. Come to think of it though, ever taken the time to look at where any of the individual car parts are manufactured on your vehicle?

Every car manufactured since 2004 has a label on the window sticker or supplemental to it for domestic parts content and where major percentages came from if other than the U.S. or Canada (Canadian content is also counted as "domestic").

If the V6 is that good it must be the DI one. I just drove a non-DI 3.6 powered G8 and it was not fast by any means.

I could be wrong, could just be the angle or whatever... It looks like the engine tucks up very close to the firewall and almost under that cowl like on the 4th gens (though not as bad)...

It'd make the car less nose heavy (better weight distribution) thus less understeer and easier to rotate around a turn. I don't know if that was the intention, but at least the design has its benefits.

In the pics of the engine bay I don't see the battery anywhere. Am I missing it? Wonder where it's going to be located?

BTW, since I perform calibration services for quite a few manufacturing facilities, you would not believe how many domestic and import parts are made side by side from the same company.

In the pics of the engine bay I don't see the battery anywhere. Am I missing it? Wonder where it's going to be located?


Battery is in the trunk.

Those are Mustang bodies, look closer.








;)

That is a Camaro! The mustang has the fuel door on the driver side for one.

That is a Camaro! The mustang has the fuel door on the driver side for one.

This ;) typically means "kidding" or "joking". See my other posts in this thread...

Yes, my above post was a joke. It is a Camaro, of course.

Okay, seriously, look closer.

Start from the front where the door hinges are, then follow over the A-pillar, over the top, down the B and C pillar, rear fender, and back along the bottom to where there front door hinges are...all one piece. Rigid, light, strong, and safe.

:...They hit on safety a lot during the focus group, and that is one of the things they pointed out (the one-piece sides).

It'd make the car less nose heavy (better weight distribution) thus less understeer and easier to rotate around a turn. I don't know if that was the intention, but at least the design has its benefits.

yes, that was the intention - keeping an eye on weight distribution.

That is a Camaro! The mustang has the fuel door on the driver side for one.
My son's '04 is on the passenger side.
I much prefer it on the driver side. That's the first thing I noticed in the pictures.