While we wait for the SS Lap Times Here is what the CTS V did.

GM has anounced the CTS V Cadillac Ripped a 7:59 At the Ring in Germany. This time is better than the M3 or M 5 by 6 and 14 seconds. The CTS V was running a stock package accept for the roll bar and some added safety equipment.

It also was the stock 550 HP Supercharged Chevy engine. So this should give us an idea the Camaro will supass the M5 and M3 in the Supercharged package and be right around the low 8 min range for the SS NA package.

So we may be looking at a standard package perfromance Camaro that can run with a M series car at near half the price. I expect the new Camaro lap times will be out soon along with the ZR-1. It is said the ZR-1 was looking at a 7:20 time.

The ring is getting to be a rule to judge a cars performance by as with many MFG testing there it puts them on equal ground as long as they are not running a juiced up car like Nissan just did with the GT R on slick soft DOT tires.

Either way John H and his GM performance Group is really brining us world class cars of all sizes and shapes. They are impressive from the ZR-1 to the HHR SS [8.44 lap]. I cant wait to see what they have done with the Camaro.

Source?

If that's true (and the Camaro can handle), it should be much quicker. The CTS-V is pretty heavy.

I heard before that the new V8 M3 was around 7:50-7:53...

I read it on a forum, so who the **** knows...

BTW, other than the engine, what makes you think the Camaro will perform similarly, besides the fact that every new SS they make has a very impressive time?

Btw heres the source...

Link (http://cadillac.gmblogs.com/)

GM has anounced the CTS V Cadillac Ripped a 7:59 At the Ring in Germany. This time is better than the M3 or M 5 by 6 and 14 seconds. The CTS V was running a stock package accept for the roll bar and some added safety equipment.

It also was the stock 550 HP Supercharged Chevy engine. So this should give us an idea the Camaro will supass the M5 and M3 in the Supercharged package and be right around the low 8 min range for the SS NA package.

So we may be looking at a standard package perfromance Camaro that can run with a M series car at near half the price. I expect the new Camaro lap times will be out soon along with the ZR-1. It is said the ZR-1 was looking at a 7:20 time.

The ring is getting to be a rule to judge a cars performance by as with many MFG testing there it puts them on equal ground as long as they are not running a juiced up car like Nissan just did with the GT R on slick soft DOT tires.

Either way John H and his GM performance Group is really brining us world class cars of all sizes and shapes. They are impressive from the ZR-1 to the HHR SS [8.44 lap]. I cant wait to see what they have done with the Camaro.

So now the performance targets that were suggested for the SS (Z28 with his BMW M3 and me with my Merc C series Black) don't seem so silly, do they?

GM has anounced the CTS V Cadillac Ripped a 7:59 At the Ring in Germany. This time is better than the M3 or M 5 by 6 and 14 seconds. The CTS V was running a stock package accept for the roll bar and some added safety equipment.

It also was the stock 550 HP Supercharged Chevy engine. So this should give us an idea the Camaro will supass the M5 and M3 in the Supercharged package and be right around the low 8 min range for the SS NA package.

So we may be looking at a standard package perfromance Camaro that can run with a M series car at near half the price. I expect the new Camaro lap times will be out soon along with the ZR-1. It is said the ZR-1 was looking at a 7:20 time.

The ring is getting to be a rule to judge a cars performance by as with many MFG testing there it puts them on equal ground as long as they are not running a juiced up car like Nissan just did with the GT R on slick soft DOT tires.

Either way John H and his GM performance Group is really brining us world class cars of all sizes and shapes. They are impressive from the ZR-1 to the HHR SS [8.44 lap]. I cant wait to see what they have done with the Camaro.

The standard package Camaro isn't going to be a supercharged, 550 horse CTSv engine.

If you think a roughly $30,000 (or even $40,000), roughly 3700 pound 4 passenger steel unibody Camaro is going to equal a 2 passenger, carbon fiber, aluminum chassis, roughly 3200 pound $100,000 purpose built ZR1 Corvette on a track, you might want to cut back on the meds my friend. ;)

The standard package Camaro isn't going to be a supercharged, 550 horse CTSv engine.

If you think a roughly $30,000 (or even $40,000), roughly 3700 pound 4 passenger steel unibody Camaro is going to equal a 2 passenger, carbon fiber, aluminum chassis, roughly 3200 pound $100,000 purpose built ZR1 Corvette on a track, you might want to cut back on the meds my friend. ;)

Read all the words and you will see I stated!
The Camaro SS is Natural asperated [NA] or the LS3 and it should be just over a 8 min lap.

Second I stated the CTS V did a 7.59 lap so the Camaro with the a similar engine should be in a similial time for a lap or better. just under the 8 min mark. I never said the same engine but the SC engine the Z will get will be over 500 HP and the car is lighter and will be smaller.

We may see a 7.50 lap at best out of a Supercharged Camaro and that is good no matter what car it is.

Third, I complimented the GM's team work on the ZR-1 and did even com close to stating the Camaro would run with the ZR-1. I simply stated the ZR-1 time to compare and get a perspective of what it will do.

By friend you had better pay better attention and note the Vette is expectied to pull a lap a full 39 seconds faster!!

GM has not released the Camaro or ZR-1 laps yet and they were testing them along with the CTS V. So I expexct there results will be seen soon.

So before you cut me down read all the words and note I never said the Camaro would equal the ZR-1. Ionly compared the Camaro to the M series 3-5 form BMW.

For Gods sake the CobaltSS is only 9 sec slower a lap than a stock M5 series.

So either drop your meds or get some glasses.

The info is found from a GM story on Autoblog.

9 seconds is a LOT of time on the track

So now the performance targets that were suggested for the SS (Z28 with his BMW M3 and me with my Merc C series Black) don't seem so silly, do they?

Looks like the performace times will be better but I would still not compare the cars as competitiors.

While the Camaro looks like it may run with a M3 it is in a different class all together in the other areas of the car.

The magazines and press would say it runs good but would rip it in most other areas unfairly since it will cost $20K+ less.

It is ok for us to compare but Chevy needs to just compare to the Mustang and Challanger publicly. They only need to fight their true class competitors.

But you are right in the performance range to expect . The standard Camaro SS should have a chance to be in the 8.05-8.10 range for a lap.

9 seconds is a LOT of time on the track

It is and only the big buck sports cars are in the same low 7 min range. The CTS V time is per GM [their claim] the best for a stock sedan.

A RS4 was one second faster on soft tires and AWD.

Anything in the 8 min range is very good and anything in the 7 is down right impressive for 14.2 miles

Source?

If that's true (and the Camaro can handle), it should be much quicker. The CTS-V is pretty heavy.

From GM's media site:

2009 CTS-V Blisters Nurburgring

Breaks 8-minute barrier, fastest documented lap time for a production sedan

In testing this morning at Germany's Nurburgring, Cadillac's upcoming new 2009 CTS-V completed a lap of the legendary Nordschleife in 7:59.32. This blistering time appears to be the fastest ever publicly documented for a production sedan.

Cadillac is nearing the completion of testing of the highly anticipated CTS-V, the limited-edition high-performance model based on the award-winning CTS sport sedan. John Heinricy, GM Performance Division executive and an acclaimed racing driver, piloted the CTS-V through its sub-8 minute lap today. The car itself was equipped exactly as planned for consumer production, which is scheduled to begin this fall.

Estimated at 550-hp, the CTS-V is at the moment going through the final stages of intensive testing and development. One of the realistic objectives of the Cadillac team is to make the CTS-V the world's fastest production sedan, as a part of the overall goal to make the V-Series Cadillac's ultimate expression of performance and technology. More updates will be released in the coming weeks as testing is finalized, including the car's certified SAE power ratings, acceleration specifications and U.S.-market pricing.

Video documentation of the car's breakthrough Nordschleife performance will be posted online in the coming days at Cadillac.gmblogs.com. The eight-minute mark has long been recognized as a major Nurburgring milestone, reserved for race cars and the fastest exotic sports cars. While there's no single official repository for Nurburgring data from private test sessions, numerous reputable websites and publications report lap times from race teams, automakers and independent sources.

The new 2009 CTS-V includes a suite of advanced performance technologies, including a new version of Cadillac's acclaimed Magnetic Ride Control suspension and a LSA 6.2-liter Supercharged V8 engine. For the first time, CTS-V will include the choice of 6-speed manual or automatic transmissions, with the new automatic sporting steering wheel-mounted shift buttons.

That is pretty awesome. Can't wait to see some Camaro numbers.

Great times for the CTS-V, that LSA is a very sweet powerplant and I think would look great under the hood of a Camaro.

I'm glad GM noted that the run was done with the CTS-V in production trim. I imagine that means stock tires too. Wonder if they did a standing or flying start?

These questions must be asked with as there seem to be many ways to run the Ring, -- GT-R.

The standard package Camaro isn't going to be a supercharged, 550 horse CTSv engine.

If you think a roughly $30,000 (or even $40,000), roughly 3700 pound 4 passenger steel unibody Camaro is going to equal a 2 passenger, carbon fiber, aluminum chassis, roughly 3200 pound $100,000 purpose built ZR1 Corvette on a track, you might want to cut back on the meds my friend. ;)

I certainly understood the first post from hyperv6, not sure how you mis-interpreted so greatly what he was saying.
Clyde

Great times for the CTS-V, that LSA is a very sweet powerplant and I think would look great under the hood of a Camaro.

I'm glad GM noted that the run was done with the CTS-V in production trim. I imagine that means stock tires too. Wonder if they did a standing or flying start?

These questions must be asked with as there seem to be many ways to run the Ring, -- GT-R.


GM has stated before that their standard is a standing start.

Having performance Cadillacs is just weirdness.

Having performance Cadillacs is just weirdness.

huh? Where have you been this decade?

Just doesn't appeal to me.

Having performance Cadillacs is just weirdness.
Cadillac actually has a proud history in the post-war era as a performance vehicle, dating back to 1949 when the new 331 CID 160 HP OHV engine replaced the old 346 CID L-head motor. The '49 Caddy is considered a "milestone" car as a result of the introduction of this engine.

http://www.100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1940/cad49s.htm


The engine was a sensation, so much so that it was rushed off to race tracks across the country. Almost-stock Caddys with big racing numbers plastered on their sides were seen roaring down race track straightaways within a few short months after the '49 models bowed. The cars were so hot that famed Briggs Cunningham took the Caddys racing, even to the 24 hours of Le Mans in France. There, a near-stock Coupe de Ville finished tenth overall against the world's finest racing machinery. The British Allard Company even used the engine in its new J-2 sports/racing car.

http://www.100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1940/1949/cad49g.jpg Out on the street, buyers could tell the difference, too. Though road test magazines were few in 1949, "Uncle" Tom McCahill reported in Mechanix Illustrated that "With this engine, Cadillac, despite its large size, out-performs just about every car being made." He backed that up by posting a 0-60-mph romp of 12.1 seconds (with stick shift) and a top speed of around 105 mph. No other car he tested that year did better. Author Hendry quoted slightly more conservative figures of 100 mph tops and 0-60 in 13.4 seconds. Either way, probably only the lighter-weight Olds 88 could keep up.

http://www.100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1940/1949/cad49h.jpg Introduction of the new engine helped erode a consumer problem Cadillac Division had faced since the close of the war. Cadillac had advertised heavily during World War II that M-5 and M-24 tanks were powered by Cadillac engines, so some consumers tried to get hold of the military engines and modify them for domestic use. Of course, such attempts at modification were more often than not fraught with a host of technical problems. Cadillac had tried every way it could to discourage such modifications, but it was the arrival of the new overhead V-8 that made the L-heads seem far less attractive.

http://www.100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1940/1949/cad49i.jpg In retrospect, the new Cadillac V-8 arrived on the scene just when it was needed. The L-head had served its era well, including the emergence of the automatic transmission. But now roads were getting better -- there were already a few limited-access roads and talk of many more to come -- and gasoline octane ratings were climbing. The new V-8, under constant development even after introduction, could handle these, so the first major redesign wasn't deemed necessary until 1964.



Best regardSS,

Elie

Cadillac has also run in the 24 Hours of Lemans back in the 50's and did quite well for a small effored on the part of Briggs Cuinngham.

I would like to see companied set a standard for the ring if they are going to post brag numbers.

Standing starts on cars in as sold trim with production tires should be a reasonable standard. On additions or changes would be the addition of safety equipment.

Nissan and many others have and do take some liberties.