Who thinks the 2010 Camaro is "ugly"?

Other than the rear, I loved the new Camaro concept. Over the long period of time this concept has taken to become production (and yes, we are still waiting), we have now seen what the car will look like.

I am now so turned off by the appearance alone, that I can honestly say I will not be purchasing one. I am curious to see how many people feel the same way I do, or feel in general about the appearance of the Camaro as a whole.

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Other than the rear, I loved the new Camaro concept. Over the long period of time this concept has taken to become production (and yes, we are still waiting), we have now seen what the car will look like.

I am now so turned off by the appearance alone, that I can honestly say I will not be purchasing one. I am curious to see how many people feel the same way I do, or feel in general about the appearance of the Camaro as a whole.

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seeing as how MUCH of the concept is still incorporated into the production version, i am curious to hear why you suddenly are repulsed by the camaro.

seeing as how MUCH of the concept is still incorporated into the production version, i am curious to hear why you suddenly are repulsed by the camaro.

exactly what i was thinking. i dont see very much changed from concept to the ones being driven around right now. out side of the head lights BUT i know those aren't final

what the F^$k kinda question is that?

I remember back in 92....I hated the 4th gen so much, thought it looked like pure crap. That ugly ass pace car was everywhere you looked.

Now I don't think they are so bad...:lol:

I love the look and can't wait till i have one in the garage.:D

i have been a lurker for a bit on here, but I have to come out and say that I think the preproduction looks great. I don't understand how you can say you are turned off when the preproduction looks very similar to the concept and fbodfather said that you wouldn't even tell the difference when you drive the down the highway and see the new production camaro compared to the concept.

Do I think it's ugly?

Hell. No!

I'm infatuated with the looks of this car. Somehow, some way...they're gonna have to try and top it come redesign. Talk about setting a bar real high.

I can see different tastes, ect - And I TOTALY respect that...but ugly? Naw, it may not be your "cup 'o tea"...but do you really think it's ugly??

I think they should have kept it identical to the prototype, just what dodge should have done with the charger concept. I can't say much about it until, I sit in it, see it and drive it down the road though.

Whatever anyone says about it unless you've seen it in person, and have sat and drove it your opinion on the car is biased, considering all you've seen is pictures. I know I'll want one a few minutes after test driving it. :)

I think they should have kept it identical to the prototype, just what dodge should have done with the charger concept. I can't say much about it until, I sit in it, see it and drive it down the road though.

Whatever anyone says about it unless you've seen it in person, and have sat and drove it your opinion on the car is biased, considering all you've seen is pictures. I know I'll want one a few minutes after test driving it. :)

I kinda agree. Although if the latest pictures are accurate of what it will be like, seeing it in person will really be no different for me at least.

The wheels, and the interior, are the biggest turn offs of the current pictures compared to the concepts for me. Also, and most of you guys probably know the facts on this compared to my opinion, but it seems like the concept was wider and sleeker, compared to the more "boxy" car that is shown in the latest pictures. The headlights I actually like more than the concept ones, and I still find the rear ugly just as I did with the concept one.

I probably should have figured I would be outnumbered on this one posting a question like this in a Camaro enthusiest board who will be more biased than the general public as most of us on here are Camaro lovers.

I like it, with the exception of the tail lights.

those headlights on the spy phots have ruined it for me.

I kinda agree. Although if the latest pictures are accurate of what it will be like, seeing it in person will really be no different for me at least.

The wheels, and the interior, are the biggest turn offs of the current pictures compared to the concepts for me. Also, and most of you guys probably know the facts on this compared to my opinion, but it seems like the concept was wider and sleeker, compared to the more "boxy" car that is shown in the latest pictures. The headlights I actually like more than the concept ones, and I still find the rear ugly just as I did with the concept one.

I probably should have figured I would be outnumbered on this one posting a question like this in a Camaro enthusiest board who will be more biased than the general public as most of us on here are Camaro lovers.


ok im not going to start a flame war but you are a complete tool. how are we being biased for loving the new camaro? because we don't think the car is ugly we are being biased? wow.

and if you would have read ALL of fbodfather's posts, alot of the interior that we have seen is NOT final. if you were expecting the production camaro to be LINE FOR LINE PIECE FOR PIECE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE CONCEPT than my friend you really have no common sense.

LINE FOR LINE PIECE FOR PIECE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE CONCEPT than my friend you really have no common sense.

I understand from the cost factor to why it's not going to be identical to the protoype...duh. I wish they would have stuck with a few things the protoype had like the sleekness/wideness the protoype had. The test cars do look somewhat like a box. I still like the car though :)
What I don't understand is how people can justify saying the car is ugly and the interior is **** blah blah blah, when A: you've not seen one in person B: The final product is not on any car lots yet and C: Some of you guys that have talked so much crap about the car are going end up getting one anyways so just calm down and wait for the cars to hit the open market, then you can judge all you want...

ok im not going to start a flame war but you are a complete tool. how are we being biased for loving the new camaro? because we don't think the car is ugly we are being biased? wow.

and if you would have read ALL of fbodfather's posts, alot of the interior that we have seen is NOT final. if you were expecting the production camaro to be LINE FOR LINE PIECE FOR PIECE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE CONCEPT than my friend you really have no common sense.

You are biased because you belong to a Camaro enthusiest board. Meaning the vast majority of people on this board love Camaro's and therefore will also like the new Camaro. Compared to the open public that may or may not have specific enthusiasum for Camaro's.

If this were a simple "Automotive" board with people not specifically directed towards any specific car or Automotive group, then the results would be less biased. This is what I meant by it.

As for the concept vs the current/latest pictures vs what will really be in the car; I understand the pictures won't neccisarily be what the car is, however the reality is that the final car will be closer to the pictures than the original concept as the pictures from the concept are mearly the evolution of the car from design to production. Perhaps they will change the things I deem "ugly", but my guess is the pictures won't be far off from what the final car will actually be.

Its not ugly, its just not what it could have been.

I have yet to see a 2010 Camaro, where did you see one??

:D

You are biased because you belong to a Camaro enthusiest board. Meaning the vast majority of people on this board love Camaro's and therefore will also like the new Camaro. Compared to the open public that may or may not have specific enthusiasum for Camaro's

Hmm...quite the opposite. At least, that's my perception:rolleyes: Being that we are part of a Camaro enthusiast site we will, typically, be MORE critical! Many of us have been waiting since August of 2002 (when the last Camaro rolled off the assembly line), or longer, for our Camaro to come back. There is a lot riding on this whole project. We don't want the new Camaro to be another '04-'06 GTO. So I think most of us would agree on the fact that we are MORE critical than the general public. You should know that the pre-production Camaros have fallen under A LOT of critisism from many people on this board...and you could bet your life savings...that if the new Camaro wasn't up to par...if it was soft and poorly designed...we would be the FIRST ones to speak up! If the new Camaro is only a Camaro in name...it will not fly...we know this...but especially GM knows this! Have faith my friend! And if you don't like the final product...there's GOOD news for you!!

:alert:YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT:alert:

I mean, along those same lines...if the Camaro is priced out of my range...I won't be able to buy it...especially not if I'm going to be starting a family. So if that unfortunate event happens...I'll be picking up a '98-02 Camaro SS :D:D:D:D:D

those headlights on the spy phots have ruined it for me.

:lol:

As for the OP: :inperson:

If you think right now that the pre-production is ugly, then you weren't thinking very high of the concept to begin with. I mean look at the two cars, they're twins !! Ok the concept was a little toned down but it wasn't changed, it wasn't redesigned, it was not drawn from a blank page and the differences between the two are minor...

Now if you were to tell me that you tought the concept was border-line ugly and that GM could have made it beautiful but failed i would give you credit, but all the haters i've read are saying that the concept was god-sent and the most beautiful car in the world but the pre-pro is an ugly ass car... you are wrong... or were wrong to begin with, they are practically the same identical cars.

Stop being so eXTReMe !!!1! about it, it's a car... the real-life incarnation of a concept car. A concept car is a design study... not a real-life contract with everybody in the world... just about the only concept car that made it to significant production status (almost) untouched was the viper (92 i believe) and it's not gonna happen to any other car in the world... why would it, they were plastic concepts to begin with... sheesh

Hmm...quite the opposite. At least, that's my perception:rolleyes: Being that we are part of a Camaro enthusiast site we will, typically, be MORE critical! Many of us have been waiting since August of 2002 (when the last Camaro rolled off the assembly line), or longer, for our Camaro to come back. There is a lot riding on this whole project. We don't want the new Camaro to be another '04-'06 GTO. So I think most of us would agree on the fact that we are MORE critical than the general public. You should know that the pre-production Camaros have fallen under A LOT of critisism from many people on this board...and you could bet your life savings...that if the new Camaro wasn't up to par...if it was soft and poorly designed...we would be the FIRST ones to speak up! If the new Camaro is only a Camaro in name...it will not fly...we know this...but especially GM knows this! Have faith my friend! And if you don't like the final product...there's GOOD news for you!!

:alert:YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT:alert:

I mean, along those same lines...if the Camaro is priced out of my range...I won't be able to buy it...especially not if I'm going to be starting a family. So if that unfortunate event happens...I'll be picking up a '98-02 Camaro SS :D:D:D:D:D

So your saying that those belonging to a Camaro enthusiest board are LESS biased because they like Camaro's more than the general public?? Okay dude :rolleyes:, but I gotta say that I still disagree as the general public that don't belong to an enthusiast board and don't have specific feelings toward the Camaro will be able to give a less scewed and more open opinion about a car they aren't pumped up about in the first place (un-like most of us).

Oh, and I already posted that if it looks anything like the latest pictures, I won't be buying one. Thats the whole purpose behind this thread.

If you think right now that the pre-production is ugly, then you weren't thinking very high of the concept to begin with. I mean look at the two cars, they're twins !! Ok the concept was a little toned down but it wasn't changed, it wasn't redesigned, it was not drawn from a blank page and the differences between the two are minor...


You could see the changes as minor, however I see them as the difference of a car that looks hot, and slick, and something that would really turn heads, to something that is more ordinary, and ugly, and something that I am now displeased with seeing.

Its just my opinion, and posting it on a Camaro enthusiest board, I am not expecting many people to join in on my side. But don't bash me just because I don't like it. I have just as much right to say I think the latest pics are "ugly" as you do that its not.

until youve seen the car in person imo you are in no position to put down the concept.

I like to disagree with them, but they are right. This is a wrong place to poll such a question.

With all honesty, I'm with you though. The vehicle is very close to production and not much will probably change. Though I'm interested in this vehicle just like many others, it is not a God Send! A vehicle is just a Freakin Vehicle. I don't idolize vehicles like I once did.

I will likely purchase one of these Camaros way way down the line when the markups have been killed and everyone's grandmothers are driving one. Just this past weekend, I did what I needed to do in as far as a vehicle purchase.

I am a Trans Am faithful diehard, thus, I belong to the ls1.com forum... check out this thread and read "Super Sharp" to find out what I did and stated about the Camaro:

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74042&page=9


So your saying that those belonging to a Camaro enthusiest board are LESS biased because they like Camaro's more than the general public?? Okay dude :rolleyes:, but I gotta say that I still disagree as the general public that don't belong to an enthusiast board and don't have specific feelings toward the Camaro will be able to give a less scewed and more open opinion about a car they aren't pumped up about in the first place (un-like most of us).

Oh, and I already posted that if it looks anything like the latest pictures, I won't be buying one. Thats the whole purpose behind this thread.



You could see the changes as minor, however I see them as the difference of a car that looks hot, and slick, and something that would really turn heads, to something that is more ordinary, and ugly, and something that I am now displeased with seeing.

Its just my opinion, and posting it on a Camaro enthusiest board, I am not expecting many people to join in on my side. But don't bash me just because I don't like it. I have just as much right to say I think the latest pics are "ugly" as you do that its not.

So your saying that those belonging to a Camaro enthusiest board are LESS biased because they like Camaro's more than the general public?? Okay dude :rolleyes:, but I gotta say that I still disagree as the general public that don't belong to an enthusiast board and don't have specific feelings toward the Camaro will be able to give a less scewed and more open opinion about a car they aren't pumped up about in the first place (un-like most of us).

I'm not saying that the members of this board are necessarily less biased...in fact I agree that we are biased, BUT...I also think that WE are more critical than the general public. Being biased towards the Camaro doesn't automatically mean that one will fall in love with the Camaro concept or the production version. In fact, because we have more specific feelings...there's more at stake...We are more emotionally invested in Camaro...but you already know that. About opinions being skewed?? An opinion is just that...an opinion. What makes an opinion skewed?? An opinion is perceived to be skewed when it doesn't line up with someone else's opinion...or if it doesn't line up with the "norm." Truth in regards to the beauty of the Camaro...is in the eye of the beholder. So, I don't think that your opinion is skewed...I disagree with you 100%...but that's your opinion...and it's not skewed. If people bash on you for your opinion...well, I'm sorry. And I'm sorry if you felt as though I was bashing your opinions. I was just offering mine. However...when you write something like this:

Oh, and I already posted that if it looks anything like the latest pictures, I won't be buying one. Thats the whole purpose behind this thread.

...you were asking for it. You can't deny that this was bound to happen...Again, please accept my sincerest apology if you thought I was bashing your opinion.

until youve seen the car in person imo you are in no position to put down the concept.

Well, since there is no car to see in person, other than perhaps on a trailer here and there like the guy saw that took all the interior pics, or happen to be flying over GM's secret proving ground or whatever they took the latest pictures at, obviously no one will be seeing it. It has already been stated by myself and others that the latest pics may in fact not be what the car ends up being. However, and this is where my opinion varies from some on here, I believe the pictures are very close if not the same as what the actual production vehicle turns out to be. I don't see GM changing the car from what the latest pictures show it as currently, back to more like the concept that originally I fell in love with when it was un-veiled as the Camaro concept.

I have a right to feel what I feel and have an opinion about it, just as you do.

I like to disagree with them, but they are right. This is a wrong place to poll such a question.

With all honesty, I'm with you though. The vehicle is very close to production and not much will probably change. Though I'm interested in this vehicle just like many others, it is not a God Send! A vehicle is just a Freakin Vehicle. I don't idolize vehicles like I once did.

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Glad to see I am not totally alone, however a sports car such as a Camaro is much more than "just a vehicle" to me. I do idolize over them. They are much more than a means to get from point "A" to point "B" to me. To me they need to look fast and agressive, as well as be capable of being fast.

There's no doubt in my mind that GM's 2010 Camaro will be fast. And I am equally sure that the aftermarket for the powerplant under the Camaro's hood will have numerous options for us diehard guys that want even more ground shaking power. But, the car has to look good to me as well, and if it is anything like the lates pictures, then it will go down as a failure in my book as a good looking car.

Now, there is always the possibility for the aftermarket to pic up the slack for new body panels that might change my mind. A good exterior makeover closer to the original concept with a lower stance, and some more agressive looking wheels, and then I am back to drooling, and will strongly consider buying one.

I agree with Omega94 said about being critical.
Being biased, and being critical are two totally different things.

We are biased towards the Camaro, but that makes us even more critical of it than your average buyer. That's what he's saying (I think), and I think he's right.
It's much like what Scott says every now and again about our passion for the car being shown by overly critical, and sometimes hate-laden comments about things that have been done/shown. (i.e. Interior)

I'm not saying that the members of this board are necessarily less biased...in fact I agree that we are biased, BUT...I also think that WE are more critical than the general public. Being biased towards the Camaro doesn't automatically mean that one will fall in love with the Camaro concept or the production version. In fact, because we have more specific feelings...there's more at stake...We are more emotionally invested in Camaro...but you already know that. About opinions being skewed?? An opinion is just that...an opinion. What makes an opinion skewed?? An opinion is perceived to be skewed when it doesn't line up with someone else's opinion...or if it doesn't line up with the "norm." Truth in regards to the beauty of the Camaro...is in the eye of the beholder. So, I don't think that your opinion is skewed...I disagree with you 100%...but that's your opinion...and it's not skewed. If people bash on you for your opinion...well, I'm sorry. And I'm sorry if you felt as though I was bashing your opinions. I was just offering mine. However...when you write something like this:



...you were asking for it. You can't deny that this was bound to happen...Again, please accept my sincerest apology if you thought I was bashing your opinion.

I don't know how else to put it. We as Camaro enthusiest board members are more likely to be pumped up about Camaro's than some random automotive car guy off the street. That will make us have more anticipation about the new car. For some, yes, they might be more critical about it (myself included), but for most, they will be more proned to say "I like it" on the poll, just because its another Camaro, and that is part them being a member on a Camaro enthusiest board.

I was not offended by your difference of opinion, but thanks for being nice about it anyways.

Honestly, I think we are better off without these forums and stating our judgement about a pre-production vehicle. We are better off letting the vehicle hitting the market and then making our judgment upon inspection and test driving.

I read up on the G8 prior to dealership delivery, test drove twice, re-evaluate the vehicle and made the decision. People on here who have mull around since 2006 do feel weary from the anticipation.

I found every thread and comments on here to be delightful and eventfully debateful.

I don't know how else to put it. We as Camaro enthusiest board members are more likely to be pumped up about Camaro's than some random automotive car guy off the street. That will make us have more anticipation about the new car. For some, yes, they might be more critical about it (myself included), but for most, they will be more proned to say "I like it" on the poll, just because its another Camaro, and that is part them being a member on a Camaro enthusiest board.

I was not offended by your difference of opinion, but thanks for being nice about it anyways.

Well you can't have a Camaro enthusiest forum, without a section dedicated to the new Camaro even though its not out yet. Topics like this one are inevitable.

Honestly, I think we are better off without these forums and stating our judgement about a pre-production vehicle. We are better off letting the vehicle hitting the market and then making our judgment upon inspection and test driving.

I read up on the G8 prior to dealership delivery, test drove twice, re-evaluate the vehicle and made the decision. People on here who have mull around since 2006 do feel weary from the anticipation.

I found every thread and comments on here to be delightful and eventfully debateful.

I think these kind of forums are needed and very useful for GM to obtain as much feedback as possible from people who are more likely to be passionate about something like the Camaro. we are the ones that are more likely to buy one, and I wouldn't be surprised if what we say here isn't read in a meeting about the camaro from time to time. Maybe scott has even shown these to people that have a great impact on the final product. IF the latest pictures do closely resemble the production car, I'm not happy about some of the things either, but I'm not certain that what we are seeing is even close so I will have to see it in person first. we know that sometimes pictures are not very flattering.
I trust scott when he tells us that we will be impressed, and like he says...has he lied to us yet?

Coming to a Camaro enthusiast website, trashing the 2010 Camaro and not expecting the majority of people to defend it is like pissing into the wind and not expecting to get wet. :think:

I think these kind of forums are needed and very useful for GM to obtain as much feedback as possible from people who are more likely to be passionate about something like the Camaro. we are the ones that are more likely to buy one, and I wouldn't be surprised if what we say here isn't read in a meeting about the camaro from time to time. Maybe scott has even shown these to people that have a great impact on the final product. IF the latest pictures do closely resemble the production car, I'm not happy about some of the things either, but I'm not certain that what we are seeing is even close so I will have to see it in person first. we know that sometimes pictures are not very flattering.
I trust scott when he tells us that we will be impressed, and like he says...has he lied to us yet?


I again fail to see how pictures differ that much from reality. I can see a picture of a 95 Z28, and sure enough the real life 95 Z28 looks just as the pictures did. But as you say, the pictures may not be what the final product is, however I believe they will be close to it if not it entirely.

I also agree that GM probably takes a peek in here from time to time, but I doubt they look for as much positve comments about the upcoming Camaro as they do negative ones. I doubt they need a feel good fuzzy from a board to back what they have already decided. On the contrary, I believe they probably look more at what people "don't" like about what is out in the public for the new Camaro to make any final adjustments (or at least I hope).

Coming to a Camaro enthusiast website, trashing the 2010 Camaro and not expecting the majority of people to defend it is like pissing into the wind and not expecting to get wet. :think:

I never claimed they wouldn't. In fact I even stated that most would not agree with me. :irk:

well this wont be popular but I think they missed the mark, I loved my 68 and 69 camaro and want another, I currently own 2 4th gens. I love camaros but I wish it was more retro than it is, the mustang looks nice but I dont like the ride the chrysler looks awsome to me more retro than the others. I know this wont be popular but I just think it looks to much like a cadillac, dont think I spelled that right lol. I am sorry if this offends anybody but I was hoping they would bring it back and make it more like the old but thats just how I feel. sorry, Allen in michigan

well this wont be popular but I think they missed the mark, I loved my 68 and 69 camaro and want another, I currently own 2 4th gens. I love camaros but I wish it was more retro than it is, the mustang looks nice but I dont like the ride the chrysler looks awsome to me more retro than the others. I know this wont be popular but I just think it looks to much like a cadillac, dont think I spelled that right lol. I am sorry if this offends anybody but I was hoping they would bring it back and make it more like the old but thats just how I feel. sorry, Allen in michigan
Don't apologize! You're not alone when you say that, there are a few people around here who wishes that it was more retro. But the fact is that GM wasn't aiming for retro...so they couldn't have "missed the mark" if you continue the metaphor.

well this wont be popular but I think they missed the mark, I loved my 68 and 69 camaro and want another, I currently own 2 4th gens. I love camaros but I wish it was more retro than it is, the mustang looks nice but I dont like the ride the chrysler looks awsome to me more retro than the others. I know this wont be popular but I just think it looks to much like a cadillac, dont think I spelled that right lol. I am sorry if this offends anybody but I was hoping they would bring it back and make it more like the old but thats just how I feel. sorry, Allen in michigan

While I understand what and why you say that, I disagree and think that Chevy made the right decision to use retro cues but not to make it a retro car. If I truly wanted another '67 or '69 Camaro (I've owned both before) then I would buy another one and restore it. I like the new Camaro and I'm eagerly looking forward to it's release.
Clyde

I never claimed they wouldn't. In fact I even stated that most would not agree with me. :irk:Don't worry, they have a program for your affliction. Its called Mustangitis. You're required to sell all your f-bodies, buy a Mustang and mod it, then suffer through all the parts breakage and inferior styling and performance for 18-24 months, until you come running and screaming back to GM and never question their decision making process ever again. ;)

While I understand what and why you say that, I disagree and think that Chevy made the right decision to use retro cues but not to make it a retro car. If I truly wanted another '67 or '69 Camaro (I've owned both before) then I would buy another one and restore it. I like the new Camaro and I'm eagerly looking forward to it's release.
Clyde+1! :D

Its a good stragedy on chevy on implementing the retro look with modern tech. Sport cars today are like our movie action stars. We dont have a wide selection of good american muscle; just like our favorite action stars of old. Just think as the new camaro as Arnold with stronger roids--not jonny depp in fag pirate costume. In my opinion, I have none until I see the car at the dealership, its sticker price, and checkbook at hand--thats when I decide.

Other than the rear, I loved the new Camaro concept.
I am now so turned off by the appearance alone, that I can honestly say I will not be purchasing one. I am curious to see how many people feel the same way I do, or feel in general about the appearance of the Camaro as a whole.

X 2 for me. That back end is complete garbage.

If they took a 69 RS (hideaway headlights) Camaro body and put in on the chassis they have now,I'd have the most expensive one...but I just personally think they murdered it. Look at a new Challenger and look at, say a '70 Challenger that was so popular....almost a mirror image except a few minor details that actually HELPED the appearance.

Im actually sad to say it,but they butchered the Camaro to death...way to go. The only thing im hoping is that the concept thats released even now itsnt like the production one and their (GM) is filling us full of BS and going to make a kickass version.

If they took a 69 RS (hideaway headlights) Camaro body and put in on the chassis they have now,I'd have the most expensive one...but I just personally think they murdered it. The 69 Camaro body wouldn't pass today's crash standards... even with airbags. :rolleyes:

Don't worry, they have a program for your affliction. Its called Mustangitis. You're required to sell all your f-bodies, buy a Mustang and mod it, then suffer through all the parts breakage and inferior styling and performance for 18-24 months, until you come running and screaming back to GM and never question their decision making process ever again. ;)

Uhhh... okay dude :rolleyes:

I wouldn't call it 'ugly' by a long stretch. But hardly 'beautiful', either. Controversial, absolutely. For now, I'w wavering around 'undecided'.

If the latest LeftLaneNews photos are any later than what people are basing their opinions on, it's still a little too thick-bodied to be called graceful. The roofline is fine, but not entirely in harmony with what's below it. The guy who thinks that hoodlines need to be almost as tall as the hood is long needs to take up a different line of work - or maybe the GM truck division would have him.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-content/plugins/iimage-gallery.php?idpost=7017&idg=1&idi=5


Norm

I think it looks fine in that picture. I'm not sold on the hoodline being that tall. I'm very interested in coefficient of drag of the car.

The 69 Camaro body wouldn't pass today's crash standards... even with airbags. :rolleyes:

Neither would Ford Explorer with the RIGHT amount of air pressure in the tires...but it passed didnt it? :rolleyes:

Neither would Ford Explorer with the RIGHT amount of air pressure in the tires...but it passed didnt it? :rolleyes:
:confused: Do you know how stupid that sounds? :rolleyes:

Camaro owns its as simple as that.
You can really see that GM took the time to create
this vehicle. It shows. The design is thought out
and creative.

I again fail to see how pictures differ that much from reality.

Because a Photo is a 2 dimensional representation of a 3 dimensional object. And sometimes the photos simply don't have the same impact to the eyes that the real thing does.

I have seen this with models (humans) some of the models I have seen look great in person, but on film, not so much. I've seen the opposite as well. I fact I have seen models that if they happen to be looking just the right direction it will change the way they look on film. There is such a thing as a "bad side" and this includes vehicles.

I was at the unveiling, and nearly peed myself I loved the car so much. After the show was over, I only had my photos to look at. And after a very short time looking at them, I honestly just couldn't figure out what the big deal was (maybe it was the presence of Leann Tweeden :D ). I thought the car looked good, but not what I was feeling at the unveiling. Then I went to the Camaro production announcement. They talked for a bit, and then brought the car out. I kid you not, the SECOND that car was in sight, it hit me all over again. I knew yet again what the big deal was. The same thing happened in '07 when I saw the 'Vert, and again in '08 with the Bumblebee.

IMO this car just doesn't translate well into photos. Also you have to keep in mind the pictures of the mules are generally very crappy, taken when one is spotted, without any forethough or preperation, and they are all painted in colors that hide lines fairly well (especially when the photos aren't the best) . Probably on purpose.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that an image CAN be a misrepresentation of reality, so before you dismiss it completely at least wait till you see on in person. If you don't like it after that, then the car just isn't for you.

IMO this car just doesn't translate well into photos. Also you have to keep in mind the pictures of the mules are generally very crappy, taken when one is spotted, without any forethough or preperation, and they are all painted in colors that hide lines fairly well (especially when the photos aren't the best) . Probably on purpose.



The new Camaro is not very photogenic, IMO. Except for the Brembo equipped, pre-pro car at Nurburgring, I can't say that I've found any of the spy pics especially compelling.

I'll wait and check out the real one in the flesh....

It looks to much like the 69, the ugliest of the 60's model. 1967 RS/SS Black w/ white front stripe (yes we had one, old man sold it.) or nothing....

Thats why the 69 Camaro is available as a body in white almost 40 years after they were produced. So many 69 Camaros are being restored that you can buy EVERY panel new from the car.

It looks to much like the 69, the ugliest of the 60's model. 1967 RS/SS Black w/ white front stripe (yes we had one, old man sold it.) or nothing....

What about a '68 RS/SS black w/ white front stripe? Or is the loss of vent window too much to get over? :confused:

Thats why the 69 Camaro is available as a body in white almost 40 years after they were produced. So many 69 Camaros are being restored that you can buy EVERY panel new from the car.
Just because its popular doesn't mean its good. Americans taste in things generally suck.

I think it looks decent from all angles except the rear, which is just hideously ugly.

Just because its popular doesn't mean its good. Americans taste in things generally suck.

LOL That's obviously a matter of opinion, because I (personally) think most European cars are some of the ugliest things on 4 wheels.

Well I admit it, I am totally biased when it comes to the Camaro, and when I saw the pictures of the 5gen, I became a little shaky! I new right then I have to have one. I think they are going to be absolutely awesome..come on we have been waiting for this! I am tired of those Mustang people trying to act all popular.

Love-it. This is the best looking car I've seen in years.

It needs work, maybe version 5.x will get better looking.

I thought it was cool when I first saw it, but then thought it was ugly until I saw it again...in person.

Americans taste in things generally suck.

Oh this is priceless. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I also thought it was cool at first, but it's really starting to lose its appeal to me. Especially the vert.

Compared to the 3rd & 4th Gen. models with the flimsy, cheap looking glass hatchbacks, it will be a winner. Back to the neat trunks like the 1st & 2nd Gens. had. IRS, 4 wheel discs, this will be a nice car.